Also the Enterprise F

And Enterprise E

Almost like they don't actually care and are just nostalgia baiting...

They did the Titan, Enterprise E and the Enterprise F dirty and we didn’t want an Enterprise G, we wanted the Enterprise F and the Titan was robbed of a legacy.

@@Praxics0815 Wasn't Season 3 called "the nostalgia baiting" It was the biggest kit bashing of every Star Trek Movie made.

So where is the Enterprise-E Worf? ;) LOL!!!

@@DrMarten sold the scrap to the Ferengi!! 😂😅

@@Captain.AmericaV1 do you have any prune juice?

@@Captain.AmericaV1 are you saying the Enterprise was hauled away as garbage?

You forgot Ruiner of the Enterprise E

i was also hoping to see the yorktown refit would be the enterprise g would have made more sense

Cap “7” had exactly zero history with the Enterprise or her lineage. At Best she should’ve been the captain of the Titan but would’ve been better as the newer Voyager ship. But not of the Enterprise.

Fixing the “F” would’ve made more sense as the ship literally already existed and was a hell of a lot more advanced, imo.

@@tarn1135 but universe lore the reason they cant fix the f if that they lost the uptopia fleetyards on mars and who ever choose to let that happend need to be fired

Agreed because thats what happens in STO. They need to stop this nonsense

It's unlikely Star Fleet would name a ship after a living Admiral..

And besides, Beverly and Jack both noted themselves that Picard would have been deeply uncomfortable with the Fanfare that such a renaming would have entailed. No, to paraphrase Picard himself, history should never forget the name "Enterprise."

I can't find the article anymore but that was apparently the intention but they changed it prior to premier.

@@blairbrown4812that ship is not an enterprise

The power creep was getting a little bit too insane, and the Enterprise wasn't always the strongest ship in Star Fleet. The ToS era had Star Fleet battleships guarding the Federation that were stronger than the Connie Heavy Cruisers. They just were not sent out on five year missions to explore like the Connies were. It also meant that the enemy factions had to produce a ship capable of countering the Enterprise, IE the Romulan Semitar.

The Enterprise was also one of the luckiest bitches Ever to sail the Stars. So much like the D before her, I'm going to give her half the chance that she deserves.

Always? OK, so the og Connie was top of the line when new, but was 40 years old by the end of the films, the Enterprise A therefore was well outclassed by even mid class ships like the Reliant class. Then theres the B, which was an Excelsior, but that class was a decade old by the time the B came along. The C was by most accounts a failure of a class, we see basically no Ambassadors at any point in the fleet, even though the 80+ year old Excelsior is still serving as admiralty flag ships. The D was great but was also a class of ship that was almost immediately shown to be inadequate for the job, the class did grow and endure for at least a decade, but we're quickly supplanted by better designs. The D herself only lasted 7 years before being taken down by a single century old BOP. The E, well the E is without fault and shouldn't be dragged into some petty internet squabble. The F is another short lived ship that had to be retired early.

​@Daginni1 the TOS era literally only had the Connie, you can dip into non canon stuff if you like but don't expect it to hold any weight. Besides, one of the toxic Fandoms favorite geipes is things like the Discovery being a larger ship than the Enterprise, even though there's absolutely no hard canon pointing to the Connie being the largest ship in the fleet.

​@@DrewLSsix Connie's were the complete package in their day. If you want to count some non canon sources then the Dreadnought could outgun a Connie but it's not like the Connie becomes bottom tier. It was still top 2 or 3 for Starfleet in ToS. Excelsiors were the top of the line for better part of a century only first outclassed by the Ambassadors though Ambassadors never replaced the Excelsiors. Then D, E and F were the top of the line ships when each class rolled out though the Borg and Dominion caused rapid power creep and there were likely equally or slightly more powerful ships in between the rollouts of the Galaxy, Sovereign and Odyssey classes. And the Enterprises obviously weren't always The flagship as there were long gaps without an Enterprise in service between NX to Connie, B to C and C to D.

The F was pretty much over a decade old during Picard, and the E would have been 30+ years.

@@northerncrisp True but even with the F being a decade old its still flew, the ship could have easily been refitted/repaired and kept going instead of decommissioning a tried and tested design. If the G was going to be an upgrade on the F like the B was to the A then sure send it off to pasture.

@@cdrocrossdiscovery completely they totally ignored all the fans of Star Trek online who loved the enterprise f. Also for a new series the f would have been a much better ship

​@@gingedss I would loved see iconian war on TV would made for great Space Opera Like the dominion war

@@northerncrisp 10 years? That's a drop in the bucket service-wise! The Original 1701 Enterprise served over 40 years (20 if you believe Admiral Morrow ST III) Some of the Excelsiors and Mirandas served over 100 years. Scrapping the F this early? No. The Producers wanted to create their own Enterprise.

I'd say refit the F to a Yorktown or modified Lexington class upgrade and have the Titan A stay the Titan A.

the whole series missed the mark....so par for the course. season 3 was simply the least bad.

the titan was like a 30 year old ship. remember riker commanded the titan so it was already a ship in the fleet by the end of nemesis.

@@thelasthallow no reason to make an A

I wish Star Trek fans made Star Trek shows

@@JohnnyWednesday the problem with picard was they shot each season like it was the only season. you could watch any of the 3 and it would be a perfect self contained show. so pretty much none of the lore and world building flowed to each next season. that and as much as i like patric his writing is...ehhh up and down.

No you're not. It was done for nostalgia

@@davidgoldup3078 Yeah, just done the wrong way.

It would be like trying to build a Model T with modern technology which will just look bad or just plain weird.

I think they should have used Riker's Titan, or a different ship entirely. Preferably the latter.

@@TeraQuad the F had damaged computers among other things so it faced early retirement as repairs wouldn’t have been feasible for the ship and the time and effort required, as such.. they just updated and recommissioned the Titan to Enterprise G. Far more logical from a resource and manpower standpoint

Because the current crappy producers hate all Trek except TOS.

@@JohnnyWednesday you are bitter, but you are also completely correct 😬

There's no evidence that any ship other than the original 1701 and the 1701-Do were flagships. The A wouldn't be, because the Excelsior would likely have taken that role, being the newest, most powerful ship, and the A being captained by a demoted admiral who'd stolen and blown up his old ship. The B is unknown, as is the C. The E and F also have no information regarding being a flagship.

@@PaulGuy Rewatch First Contact for the E, F was the flagship in STO and those ships becoming cannon in Picard and shown on screen. B and C are unknown but one could safely assume.

@@scipher99 - B was stated to be the flagship - C is unknown

nahh, too much of a copy of the galaxy.

-spit- I personnally don't understand why they even bothered with the Ross-class. The Galaxy analogue that should have been chosen was the Andromeda-class Galaxy Variant. Why? Because Kurtzman made the mistake of hamstringing the Federation by destroying Utopia Planitia, another one of the stupidest decisions in recent Trek. And because of that, Starfleet's corp of engineers struggles suppposedly to build new ships, hence why we wound up with the Neo Connie and the god aweful copy-paste ship... The Andromeda-class, like the previous Galaxy-to-Nebula pair, is the Galaxy-equivalent to the Sutherland-class, which we saw clearly in spacedock and in the fleet in Season 3. 2 ship-classes for the cost of essentially one production line since they share 85% of the same spaceframe and hardware. Plus, it's just an overall much better and balanced design.

How about Verity class as a candidate to be Enterprise G?!

@@zshah3107 Hmmm, no, the story would have been better served with the Enterprise-F being a Verity-class. And THEN the Enterprise-G is launched as a new, crisp Odyssey-class. The Verity-class aesthetically has more Sovereign in it, and then it's a perfect step between the Sovereign and Odyssey-class. Make the Verity abit smaller too and it'd be the perfect missing link between the two classes.

I agree they ruined two legacies at once the Enterprises legacy and the Titans at the same time.

Well if you show the Odyssey Class only to metaphorically spit in peoples faces of course people are going to be upset, it is like make an illusion of a steak in front of a starving person who has no money it is like a huge insult to that person.

And why would you throw out an entire ship all because it got a computer virus that’s just wasteful, very wasteful, you ether purge your computers with anti viral software or replace the computers on your ship if they can’t be recovered and make sure your new computers don’t get infected. I would have refitted the Odyssey Class into a YorkTown Class, I would have kept the Enterprise F, The first Defiant of the Defiant Class got infected with a computer virus the federation was able to recover the vessel by purging their computers and reinstalling software. If they can fix the Defiant why can’t they fix the Enterprise F.

@@cragus07 yes

The fact it helped hold off the Borg controlled fleet right in front of the Earth and Space dock the ship should have kept it's name as a positive PR spin after the fleet disaster. The only reason i can think of is every new build ship has the control network and needs time to remove the systems

Would’ve made more sense to fix and refit the “F” than refitting an old Galaxy class like the “D” into the dreadnought version and a million times better then renaming a legacy ship like the Titan to the Big E “G”. Would’ve tied in nicely to “all good things” with the refit of the “D” but make little sense considering a big advanced ship that was literally 2 to 3 generations ahead in technology was just sitting there after the borg thing. I could forgive it if we saw the “F” burning up or exploding somewhere and since the “D” was right there, sure.

The Enterprise D had its last mission, one might say, in Picard. Every story ends once, so pushing her into service again and under Riker is out. Not really anymore. Even if it was upgraded, it is too outdated.

@@tarn1135 Depends on how damaged the ' F ' was in the battle, but considering how many ships were lost or badly damaged i can't see why the ' F ' was retired still so soon after, maybe in 3-4 years until the fleet was rebuilt or a new replacement was ready.

It was a good ship as it was, but Frontier Day really should've been the decommissioning of the E, and the christening of the F. If they wanted Seven and crew on the Enterprise, they could've given the Titan a hero's death as the crew escapes, and pulled something like Voyage Home's final scene.

@@DaSuDanesi could not agree more! Big mistake here.

The Eclipse Class Enterprise-G would have been a better choice. They could have easily cannonized the Eclipse class like they did other STO classes just like the E-F from STO. I mean come on....the Eclipse class E-G was at least a step up to the Odyssey Class E-F.

There are just too many USS Enterprises the mystic of the vessel has gone. Imo the G is just a plain ugly ship it's not worthy of the name and a flag ship of the show. In real world terms I don't know what the producers of the show were thinking.

@@TheOneTrueDragonKing the design of the F is own by Paramount. it was part of agreement in a contest. Paramounr allowed for a new Enterprise design but the contest winner / designer sold their right to it and to the final design ( Cryptic made change to the concept) in exchange for the prize(I forgot what it was)

@@luc_8710 Regardless, they treated the Enterprise-F with incredible disrespect. She deserved the same treatment as the other barely seen ships named Enterprise (B, C, and J) at the least. She never got it. She was destined for scrap before we even got to see her. If they were going to treat her that bad, they shouldn't even have shown her. Oberth-class and Miranda-class vessels get more respect in Trek than the Enterprise-F did.

They did, not sure what you watched.

@@TheBrainSquared that was the Titan and the D.

​@@charlescassels3826The Titan and the D are the same ship.

@@PaulGuy Ah yes

@@PaulGuy The Titan and the D are NOT the same ship. The Titan was refit and the name was changed to the G.

"disrespectful" is a bit hyperbolic. Was it "disrespectful" when they made the Enterprise A the same ship, and in lore have it originally the Yorktown?

The entirety of Abrams and Kurtzman's abomination is disrespectful to the fans. This is just a drop in a VERY big bucket.

They stopped caring about the fans a long time ago.

I'd consider the Connie refit to be the same ship. The Essex aircraft carriers from WW2 were also modified as far as their hull could manage, having their who flight decks replaced with angled ones, the hanger decks enlarged to accommodate jet aircraft, increasingly larger catapults and arresting gear for bigger and bigger planes (and all the equipment that runs those systems), and larger and newer elevators installed. They were still the same ships when they were retired.

The D absolutely was not a battleship.

@@JohnnyWednesday If you have read and watched a lot of analysis on the D. For all intents and purposes it was, and in many respects the reason the romulans developed the D’deradix. For an exploration vessel *air quotes* its ridiculously overshielded and incredibly well armed. Its literally the closest thing they HAVE to a battleship , therefore as far as all other powers are concerned “it is a battle ship” And this perception has even caused tensions with rival powers. Starfleet can pretend they arent a military all they want to. The enterprise D is totally a battleship despite its extra amenities and science departments and civilians on board. In fact its an extremely powerful ship simply based on that fact that they have civilians going on deep space exploratory missions into the unknown for gosh sakes. You can CALL it what you want. But it fits the classification of battleship. And if I were the Klingons the romulans and cardassians … and I saw one. Id say “Battleship” Because its perfectly able to fulfill that role and it DOES on many occasions. Every Enterprise has represented the “Battleship” of its respective era, sporting the hardest hitting weapons and best defensive systems starfleet can put into production. If you are talking about how canon starfleet calls them “Heavy Cruisers” well thats no different than how the democrats call AR15s assault weapons. You can call something whatever you want. But all relevant use cases , and compared to the rest of the fleet line up…its a battle ship. They just dont want to “call it that”

@@sjprdude absolutely agree, the LEGACY was right there. And it's not like there's not a tradition of naming ships after retired admirals. USS Picard would have 1000% made the most sense.

@@sjprdude it’s about the Enterprise dude, it’s always been about the Enterprise!!!!!

He would have to be "Unalive" if a ship were to be named after Picard.

@@TheBrainSquared Not necessarily. The US has had a number of ships that've been named after still-living persons. The USS _Jimmy Carter_ , _Bob Hope_ , _Ronald Reagan_ , to name but three. With Picard's accomplishments, is it really so unreasonable for the Federation to name a ship after him?

@@OmegaReaver 👍

should have would have not of

The Titan was Riker's first command (about time Will) and they spent years building her legacy. The showrunner/writers talk big about legacy in one breath and spit on Titan's legacy in another. Take off the rose colored VISOR and look past the nostalgia-bait to see S3's true writing value.

@@thatHARVguy , Season 3 was much better, but they didn’t quite stick the landing. Riker’s Titan was only 20 years old, so should still have been in service. The Intrepid-class Intrepid would be about 30 years old, but she’s already be replaced by a ship with several years on her Registry Number. The Enterprise-E was only 30 years old, and should have still been in service. I could buy that she was just now being retired, but even that would be a bit premature. The Enterprise-F should have being LAUNCHED on Federation Day, not being retired.

@@michaeldemarco9950 it’s even more ironic that they included 36 Luna class ships in the big fleet formation shots. They were just so wrapped up in their TMP nostalgia, they contradicted their own statement about Riker’s Titan.

Definitely Shaw was the find of the series

Depends on your opinion about Star Trek: Voyager.

@@bjorn00000 what has my opinion about Voyager to do with that ?

@@KeysundKreisPlaylists_Colt Trying to make a joke about Star Trek: Enterprise versus Voyager...

We’ve actually got that video coming up very soon! :D