Nah it will always be tng for me 😈

I like TNG as much as TOS!.There are some great Fan Produced series as well!!!

Avery Brooks is a fantastic actor. That scene (and other "rant" scenes from him throughout DS9's run) absolutely blew me away. He was SO good in that role.

The finer details are what makes DS9 so good. Even Vic Fontaine was done well. All the minor characters we so well written and acted. Frikkin Rom steals every scene. Dukat, Zek, Garak, Weyoun. Probably the least cared for character is Ziyal. Or Alexander lol. Nurse Ratched for Kai Winn...Come On, best pure Villain ever. Avery Brooks had all that talent to work with and still managed to act circles around them a lot of the time. I think a big difference between him and Picard, is that Picard had many Speeches, and Sisko had many reactionary statements. One of my favorites was after the following: Gem Hadar gives speech. "I am First Omet'Iklan. And I am dead. As of this moment we are all dead. We go into battle to reclaim our lives. This we do gladly, for we are Gem Hadar. Remember, Victory is life.". something like that. O'Brien mocking the Gem Hadar says "I am Chief Miles Edward O'Brien. I'm very much Alive and I intend to stay that way!" Sisko Quips "Amen. lets get it Done!" his tone and timing was quite humorous to me

@@killwalker YES..THIS... also love the scene were Weyoun and The Sisko are exchanging pleasantries. Blah blah blah peace treaty, blah removal of troops blah, all amicable. Sisko leaves the room, "they're going to attack"

@@xiz0808 i love that scene. "once he realized we werent taking down the mines, everything else was just words"

Ds9 was the best series in my opinion

We would have finally seen the Romulan war

14. JJ Abrams 15. Alex Kurtzman

@@Doublebarreledsimian 16 people skipping lower decks without giving a chance.

@@JayJayM57 lower decks is brilliant. Especially that last episode

I heard that bruh I mean I loved the series from when it first premiered until the end .. especially the xindi arc but there's no doubt season 4 was the best and was full of classic episodes...only one that wasn't good was the finale of course which I don't hate as much as others do but they mos def coulda gave not only Enterprise but star trek in general a better send off after 18 years of new material

There’s a reason they brought him back as Shran

Watch the "Justice League Unlimited" animated series. Mr. C did a wonderful job with the character of The Question.

@@samclark379 Not to forget, Ratchet in Transformers: Prime

@@anumeon Haven't seen it yet. I'll have to check it out.

@@samclark379 Out of the more modern takes on Transformers it is really, really good. And Combs as Ratchet is a grumpy older character.. And boy does he do that one well.

Heh heh I love sisko but Avery Brooks most of the time sounds like he's one heart beat away from a heart attack..not just in ds9 eithrr

@@antoniokastrocarlisledemel6617 Well DS9 was quite some time ago, we all get old. We'll always have his portrayal of Ben to remember him for.

only one being in Trek history can sum up Sisko and his anger: "You hit me. Picard never hit me." - Q

Nothing was better than Kirk's KHAN!

@@jamesheald7971 Q is basically a whimsical god. So Picard tolerated God as best he could and earned God's respect and even admiration, to the point that when God was in trouble, he went to Picard. Sisko had zero patience for God and had balls of solid tritanium, and punched God. I thought it was a great way to show the difference between a diplomatic leader and a general.

Agreed there was so many things gonna happen in season 5 which were hinted in the amazing season 4 Romulan War,more Mirror episodes,Shran being a AUX member of Enterprise,Beginings of the Borg,I also read that there was a storyline where we find out T”pol father was Romulan

@@juanelorriaga2840 That was one of my favorite shows.

Given Bermaga's track record they'd probably have F'ed it up. Hopefully they'd have dropped the "T'Pol has a Romulan father" thing. Too similar to Saavik.

I wish we could have seen the Romulan war. So sad.

Agreed. I think seasons 3 and 4 were, for the most part, top shelf stuff.

TOS is a horror show, the colours

Dark, when it was called for, but, it still managed to stay true to Roddenberry's optimistic vision of humanity's future. Unlike the hot garbage that's used the Star Trek name since 2009. Now, it's just "dark & edgy" to try and disguise the fact that the writing & characters are rubbish.

@@ExUSSailor I must disagree

DS9 sucked. It is so overrated. The stories were stupid. Every episode focused on Quark felt like an episode of Scooby Doo with Quark's schemes being "foiled by those meddling kids" (I mean Odo.) And every other episode felt like the Love Boat set in space. The acting was terrible. Sisko was a baby always whining about his wife. Unless he was yelling at Captain Picard. Let me repeat that...Sisko was yelling at CAPTAIN PICARD! And this was TNG Picard, not the shell of a Picard in "Picard." TNG Picard should have demoted Sisko and sent him home for being a wuss. Dr. Bashir was the WORST Star Trek doctor. Desperation set in when they were forced to bring in the Defiant because who wants to watch a Star TREK series where they literally are trekking NOWHERE! All DS9 is a casino and truck stop in space parked next to a wormhole. I have watched every Star Trek episode (except TAS) and every movie. DS9 was HORRIBLE! 1. TNG 2. TOS 3. Enterprise (especially season 3 and 4) 4. Voyager 5. Picard or Discovery (they both sucked) 6. DS9. Actually it shouldn't even be on the list since Sisko never even attempted to fulfill the Federation's mission "to explore strange new worlds; to seek out new life and new civilizations; to boldly GO where no one has gone before." They literally parked a space station and made a series about visitors. Terrible series. Just awful!

@@billb0313 DS9 dealt with so many great things and the acting was great.

Odyessey Captain had never faced the Jem Hadar until it happened.

I understood that reference🤣

@@michaelfitzsimmons8393 just learned the reference. I don't pay attention to the guest stars list

Agreed

For me, Season 3 was the hardest season to watch. I much preferred season 4 where there was a recognisable shift to what happened in later parts of the timeline.

Yes it was the condo storyline that dropped in the ratings due to its season long storyline and although season 4 was amazing with 2 or 3 part episode like the Augments,Vulcan Orgins,Mirror Darkly,Romulan going after the enterprise great stuff

Meh. They would been better off building toward the Romulan War than spending an entire season on the Xindi, who are never mentioned anywhere else.

@@ScorpiusZA. Exactly.

I loved that scene. The Dominion and the Jem'Hadar had been hinted at few times, but when they first appeared, they were powerful, ruthless and willing to kill themselves just to make sure they left their enemy with the right impression. Great episode.

@@jolantru3085 Yeah, and the utter shock of Captain Sisko and the crew just trying to understand what just happened. To them such a attack seemed like insanity.

Jem'Hadar only HAVE one purpose for existing . Zealots ? INDEED !

@@johncunningham4820 Yeah, to die for their Gods. If you get down to it the Jem'Hader and the whole Dominion was Star Trek's commentary on Theocracy. Both the Jem'Hader and Vorta lived their lives only to serve the Founders, their "Gods".

The Jem'Hadar should've been destroyed, annihilated to it's very existence. They were only bred for one reason and one reason alone to serve a fake god and to kill ruthlessly without remorse.

The biggest failing at Wolf 359 was that no one realized that Picard/Locutus was so intimately familiar with Starfleet protocols and tactics that his knowledge of them told the Borg how to defeat them. Ruler/Shelby were aware of this and used "brilliantly unorthodox tactics" to not directly attack the cube and go around the main defenses.

Eagle8599 Oddly, the Borg never assimilated Picard's knowledge in First Contact; Adm. Hayes' fleet at the Typhon Sector damaged the Cube. A big contradiction was the fact that in First Contact, Adm. Hayes refused to allow the Enterprise to join the battle. Yet in the episode Descent, Adm. Nechayev gives Picard command of a 3 ship taskforce: Enterprise, Agammemnon, and Crazy Horse.

It sort of depends on the "had he been there' details. If he'd been there in 1701-A or B (or god forbid, the original ship) the sheer outclassing would have necessitated his classic "time to blow up the Enterprise" method. If he'd been elderly admiralty (and not buried on Viridian III after a hero's death) and still in active service, I think he'd probably have feinted the fleet to attempt to draw the Borg into a more favorable course, failed because Borg are Borg, and ended up with the fleet pursuing the Cube (too late) from Wolf 359 all the way to Sol.

@@dinomonzon7493 in ST:FC, it was stated early on that Starfleet had every confidence in the crew of the Enterprise but not her Captain. That shows that Adm. Hayes was worried that Picard would be emotionally compromised and not be performing at his peak or may possibly be influenced by the Borg. At Wolf 359 however, the Borg were, in a sense, being led and instructed by Picard because of his intimate knowledge of Federation tactics and command personnel. Thus, they were easily able to defeat the fleet and continue on to Earth with the commander of , arguably, Starfleet's most advanced ship (the flagship of Starfleet) providing key intel. Once they had that knowledge and experience, they no longer were so dependent on Locutus and we're willing to proceed to Sector 001 without him. When Adm. Nechayev gave him command of the taskforce, it is because she understands what type of person he was and how good he was at doing his job. Also, the most important thing to remember is that the writers of First Contact were using it as a way to create drama for the movie. This fact was proven in the movie when the Enterprise crew and other ships at the battle knew that Picard was singularly the BEST person to have lead the defense of Earth. This can also be attested to by how easily he was able to display the Borg cube once he took command.

@@corvusdove874 I agree. A Constitution class starship is easily outmatched by a Runabout in the time of the Enterprise-D/E. If Kirk was able to be in command of the 1701-D, he would have the same chance as any other Captain at that time. The crew of the "D" that we all know we're the only reason that Picard was able to defeat the Borg in "Best of Both Worlds". No one else could have used the " brilliantly unorthodox tactics" that they knew were needed to abduct Locutus. No one else could have interfaced with Picard as Data did because he is uniquely able to do so being the only android in Starfleet. They have the intimate working knowledge of the Borg because of their first hand contact prior to Wolf 359. Once again, the writers needed a source of drama other than surveying the Romulan Neutral Zone.

Was actually in the billions, sisko mentions that a few times.

The second biggest loss was Majel Barret

@@pokemaster123ism Real Trek died with them.

Really? The biggest loss was the man who thought that "Encounter at Farpoint" and "The (Slow) Motion Picture" were a good idea? The man who is second only to George "Special Editions" Lucas in consistently NEVER understanding his own creation? (Edited to correct spelling errors. Damn you, autocorrect, damn you to he'll).

@@marquisofcarrabass everyone can and do make mistakes

Star trek discovery is the biggest loss.

They never said any of that in the movie... You clearly made that up.

Actually, the Admiral Cartwright if I recall, did say that they were on reserve power only and he told the President of the Federation that they could not survive with out the sun. So essentially, without Kirk's intervention, Earth would be gone and included in that would be SFHQ, the Federation council and the President who was also stuck on Earth.

@@allynflinchbaugh4570 let's not forget that the president had barely enough time to put out the warning.

I can live with it. I CAN live with it.

Growing up TNG, I will always be a huge fan of "The Best of Both World's". In my preteen years, that was some of the hardest emotions I experienced.

It has to be one of the best written DS9 episodes of all time. I'd have loved to have seen more of Garek in this episode. He probably already had that data rod, but needed the chemicals from Sisko to make explosives, sneaked aboard the Romulan shuttle, planted the bomb and offed the guy who manufactured the hololog. I wonder how he got rid of the body, or did he? What if he used it as a manikin inside Garek's shop?

It's in my top ten of Star trek for sure but after 21 Years..Year Of Hell remains my all time favorite ..I'm a sucker for time travel..though Scorpion is also in my top 5(only downside is that the Borg were no longer all that scary or formidable anymore)...but In the Pale Moonlight no doubt is a masterpiece(I mean anything with Garak is great by default)..I wish it coulda been a two parter..I also wish we coulda seen more of vreenak...Stephen mchattie was great in that role

Mine as well!

I'm with u Bru ... Enterprise is so underrated even though over the years it's been more well liked but I thought Scott Bakula was amazing as Archer and Phlox was maybe my favorite Dr. ..the whole cast was great it's just too bad hoshi and especially Mayweather didn't get more to do..but yea man that xindi arc was dope as hell..some of my all time favorite trek episodes were in there

Enterprise learned lessons from ds9, where threat and struggle kept people engaged. I was livid when it was cancelled.

@@s727r With you on that one mate.

All but one Alliance vessel survived the battle. And it was in fact a Klingon vessel.

KLINGON WARBIRD !?! 😂

@@harcomou8395 The Klingons are always stealing ship names from the Romulans! 😄

Only one warbird which happened to have made a weird fix to one of its systems just prior to the battle

@@UnusedChar WARBIRD?

In fairness, the franchise was pretty much dead when they fired Rick Berman and brought in Abrams & Co. - it was quite literally a case where they had nothing to lose, unless Star Trek '09 had somehow bombed harder than Nemesis did.

It was mostly the second movie. Into Darkness sucked balls. I appreciate Benedict, but he's not Khan, nor should they have had a big movie with Khan yet (or ever). The big huge ship was ridiculous, and Pike's death was miserable. Kirk also had crap at the beginning that the first movie pretty much said was over-with. I love Star Trek Beyond though. Luckily, J.J. wasn't the director or writer. Just a producer. Unfortunately, Into Darkness and some of its own trailer mistakes didn't quite give Beyond the amount of profit it really wanted.

@@vidagogo9829 Agreed, 2009 was passable, with some very annoying elements but salvageable by making a good follow up. If it would be followed up with Beyond, it would have been fine.

Jar Jar Abrams did more damage to the Federation than the borg could ever do.

And then Alex Kurtzman came to finish the job with a coup de gras.

I say the loss of the Odyssey should've seen the upgrade of every Galaxy-class ship they had to that badassed 3-nacelled Galaxy dreadnought subclass....be like....your weapons can penetrate our shields...well ours can do the same to yours :P

they got used to it.

Not to a single ship.

Getting shellack'd 39-0 is worse than 25-39

It was probably partly due to the events of Wolf 359 that Starfleet got more serious and better prepared so when the Dominion War came they were more ready.

I agree. It had a lot of explanations of things we take as knowns - like where did the Red (Reed) and Yellow alert conditions come from? Also the inspirations behind the Prime Directive.

I’m with ya def a great series we can thank UPN just giving up on the show after its 1st episode they just didn’t care.Anyway i was happy when it started after the 7 seasons of Voyager just dis not like that crew and Delta quadrant it could have been done a lot better.

lol. that's fucken hilarioous. DS9 has enterprise beat outright in all categories. especially character development and in terms of being underrated

@@youtubeistryingtocensorme we're all entitled to our options

That scene definitely caused some emotions, because of course it looked like Enterprise got destroyed. I always wished that these ships were a bit more well armed in the series.

I’ve never quite bought into equating the Odyssey with the E-D. I can’t remember if it’s canon or not, but Koegh was said to go through (to fire) first officers quickly and be a jerk. A little similar to Jellico, I guess. You could say that the crew of the Odyssey was not as good as the E-D and also that the captain’s leadership resulted in the Odyssey not being as ready for battle as the Enterprise D. But that’s just me.

@@CKN215 The Galaxy Class is the most prestigious assignment an officer could hope for, every Galaxy is crewed by the best and brightest Starfleet has.

@@johnnyx9659 You could have given it any number of weapons and it would have still been destroyed, at the start Starfleet shields were useless against Polaron weapons. All the weapons in the galaxy wont matter if you can't take a hit.

@@SwordsmanMercenary about the only way it would've gone better was for Starfleet to anticipate encountering an enemy one day that could penetrate their shields and start upgrading all their ships, including Odyssey, with ablative armor

Martok probably made the remark because a sneak attack would hardly be considered by the Klingons to be an honorable act...

@@johnmorris7735 Sneak attack would not be considered honorable, yet they employ cloaking on nearly all their warships?

@@johnmorris7735 the sneak attack is at the core of the Klingon 'wolf-pack' strategy.

I believe but am not 100% that all weapon power can be transfered to a single weapon array, since the phasers are known to be able to fire at different power levels putting all the power into a single beam makes sense when trying to knock down their shields. Also if as you said the shield was down which would put using torps as a VERY bad idea, its stated in canon that a Mk 16 torp will destroy both the firing ship and what it hits at the short range engagement levels, this puts the explosive up to 40,000km blast radius though most likely half that.

The loss of the Odyssey is used by some to suggest the Galaxy class was weak and flawed. (Trekyards for example..showing they know nothing). These folk forget that the Odyssey encountered an enemy with weapons that cut right through their shields (it is mentioned in on screen dialogue) and still held their own. It was only the Kamikaze run that destroyed her. No ship could take that sort of damage right next to it's wearp core and survive.

@@bmused55 Possible insufficient armour, anyway. But in other respects, a sturdy design.

@@chrissonofpear1384 We have to remember, the battle the Odyssey found itself in was the first time the Dominion had actually used their weapons against the Federation. Their weapons were immune to the shield of the time, so it was like the Odyssey had none at all. But she still put up a fight and it was a kamikaze run that took out a whole chunk of hull including the deflector.. just in front of the warp core. No ship could survive that, the resulting chain reaction and core breach would be too quick to stop.

The USS Odyssey would be avenged by The Galaxy Wings led By The USS Galaxy USS Venture USS Magellan and The Upgraded unnamed Galaxy Class Starships fighting against The Dominion.

It wasn't a self destruct. It was the genesis device.

@@TheMrPeteChannel Call it what you like. Khan new USS RELIANT would be destroyed in his attempt to destroy USS ENTERPRISE and murder admiral kirk in the process,SO IT WAS INDEED SELF DESTRUCTED BY KHAN HIMSELF. The Genesis device did not arm itself, Khan was responsible for arming it.

@@thomasroberts4261 But what I said was true, from a certain point of view!

@@TheMrPeteChannel I suppose, either way it was a great movie. The wrath of khan was a great movie and the storyline going all the way back to the original series was very interesting.

@@thomasroberts4261 Agreed!🖖

and JJ!

This needs more upvotes. "Our approach was to humanize the Klingons": Kotzman (=german for 'vomit man') after making the Klingons completely unrecognizable

It’s amazing how much this one individual has ruined Star Trek.

100% and also the hiring of Les Moonves

Reporting this comment for saying that pathetic soy drinking Momma's boy's name out loud.

Thankfully that hasn't and won't happen.

Then go watch the old series on your VHS tapes.

Technically they were pulled back before they actually attacked Earth

For me the most terrifying part of the Dominion war is that it took a coalition of all the Alpha and Beta quadrant powers simply to neutralise those Dominion forces that had come through the wormhole. The fact that the Dominion were still in the process of fortifying Cardassian territory and were not at "full strength" when the war began. Had the wormhole not been mined, or the reinforcements came in later from the Gamma quadrant then obviously the Dominion would have conquered everything, their only possible thing standing between them and complete and total domination of the entire galaxy would have been the Borg.

But that's not Star Trek.

@@TheLunacyofOurTimes are you not watching Discovery?

Remember that attack was due to a time traveler, or someone with information about the future. They may have needed that "test" attack to be successful weather or not the war was won.

That’s actually a great point. Good job.

Even though they looked like a meeting of the K-9 fan club!

@@johnhughes2653 Or maybe the Princess Lea fan club since they were an obvious rip off of Bosch the bounty hunter she impersonated in Return of The Jedi.

Star Trek uses Industrial Lights and Magic since Star Trek Motion Picture. It was a subtle way of saying to Star Trek fans, without ILM Star Wars and Star Trek would not exist, so co-exist.

Watch it again, what he says is "had Kirk been at Wolf 359, or Picard in the Gamma Quadrant" meaning had it been the Enterprise instead of the Odyssey

@@MH001 Yeah, he used ellipsis to completely misinterpret what was said. He knows what they said.

I agree. Id love to watch a new Star Trek series like TNG, DS9 or VOY. Lower Decks in giving me my fix, so was Orville (not trek but covered lots of stuff trek did). Discovery is garbage and Picard was Meh. Writers these days seem to have lost their way in writing good stories.

@@redhulk5542 picard was ok nice to see some of the cast back but they need somthing after Picard. Maybe since riker came back in to command things could change but doubt it

We need a show in the 25th century showing the aftermath of ds9 and voy. I wish CBS cod give Trekkies a vote on what they wanted.

@@anwarshahaddat3412 you absolutely right

@@anwarshahaddat3412 My idea was that the Romulans discover how they were duped into involvement in the Dominion War by Sisko and shut themselves off, beginning a cold war against the Federation/Klingon Alliance. The new show would focus on the adventures of a Starfleet intelligence team. You could have all sorts of things like Section 31 involvement, rogue founders, double agents, etc. More intrigue & espionage in the Trek universe.

@@NulienTia Certainly not but it's his speech at the founding of the Federation so you know.

Remember, this was a video sponsored by Alex Kurtzman and all of the people who are losing money because of the 💩 job they are doing with Discovery. The narrator of this video is part Ferengi and is just in it for the latinum as noted by all the mistakes made. He probably had to edit out all of the times he made a Star Wars reference.

Scotty would've fixed it in half the time.

Geordi and Scotty would have built new dreadnought class ships in a cave, with a box of scraps. Which was at the heart of the flaws of TOS and TNG. From DS9 onwards Star Tre, began to show actions (and scripts) had consequences.

And you are a fool.

I'm not sure saying they "let her go" is quite the appropriate way to word that.

So should we just roll over on our backs and just allow would-be invaders and conquerers to walk in and subjugate us, or others? Should we not have gotten involved in WW2 and allowed Hitler free reign? Should we not have gotten involved in the middle east and allowed Saddam Hussein to continue his terrorism? You said all costs. What are you willing to give up and sacrifice to avert war at all costs?

@@billmatthews2463 Well if you want to go with examples: The USA played a small role overall in WWII's European theatre. We take tons of credit, but Germany was slipping to its back foot, lost Russian support, Italy was struggling, etc. all before we got involved. We weren't even going to join the war at all until Pearl Harbor, and the nukes were just deployed to show strength while at the same time trigger a collapse in the semi-feudal Japanese military structure. The USA didn't save the world at all, we were mostly sidekicks in that war. And we definitely shouldnt' have gotten involved in multi-millennia, religion-fueled regional warfare in the Middle-East. That will only be resolved when only one faction lives, so unless the plan is to glass all but one faction, yup, should have stayed out of it. Too bad they have all that oil that we want.

@@corvusdove874 But you didn't answer the question. If war is to be avoided at all costs, should we allow despots free reign? Germany would have eventually tried attacking the US. If he had, should we have just let him to avoid war at all costs? Should we turn our backs on those who asked for our help? Should we have not fought and won our independence from England?

The franchise will bounce back once him and his secret hideout are gone, though it may take a while still i guess.

Uh huh, then years from now we'll have people talking about how good those movies were and how the new stuff sucks. These "back in my day" comments are funny to me because i remember back in those days people not being fond of the stuff thats getting praised now.

ok boomer

It is what it is. Slap a Star Trek label on it and it's cannon. 🤷‍♂️

I agree about the Abrams films being pretty crap, but I feel dark episodes can work, particularly in DS9.