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Trent Horn - The Argument From Contingency

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Trent Horn gives an atheist caller an explanation of why the universe is contingent as opposed to necessary.
After his conversion to the Catholic Faith, Trent Horn earned a bachelor's degree in history from Arizona State University and a master's degree in theology from Franciscan University of Steubenville. He is currently pursuing a graduate degree in philosophy from Holy Apostles College.
Trent is a regular guest on Catholic Answers Live, a lecturer who speaks across the country on issues related to the Catholic Faith, and the author of two books, Answering Atheism and Persuasive Pro-life, both of which are published by Catholic Answers Press.
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@paulmarko
@paulmarko 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah. The big bang theory doesn't say it literally started from nothing, it says out physics breaks down. Non-contingent is a weird way to describe it, because contingency requires time, so basically everything in the universe is contingent, but it's not clear if the universe itself is contingent.
@noahpelletier2510
@noahpelletier2510 8 жыл бұрын
my one question is what is the alternative to a universe that exists? one that does not exist? To me it seems implausible that nothing can exist because the is nothing to exist in the first place. kind of a hard concept to express but it almost seems that if the universe didn't exist it we would have a self contradiction. where the only thing that exists is nothing. of course this goes against modern science because the expansion of the universe implies a finite past. Something that also implies that before the start of the finite past, there was nothing. If anyone has a good explanation I'd be happy to hear it. God bless
@jordanphillips9133
@jordanphillips9133 8 жыл бұрын
+Noah Pelletier the contingency argument doesn't deal so much with existence vs. non existence. It assumes that Something (all of creation) exists. In fact whether the universe is eternal or finite doesn't matter (although science's pointing to its beginning is a helpful proof for the second premise)! The contingency argument asks whether this Something has to exist. The answer seems to be no, because there is no reason to think Creation has to exist, there is good reason to think the Universe began to exist, and we can imagine it not existing (this last proof I don't find compelling). Since the Something (all of creation) is contingent, it has to be upheld by a Necessary Being who is Unchanged/Unchangeable, and explains it's own existence. As Saint Thomas would say, "this Being, we call God!" Hope this helps. If not, Peter Kreeft has resources on the contingency argument on his website, Trent's book has a chapter on it, and Matt Fradd had a magazine article on it in Catholic Answers Magazine (sorry, can't remember the issue).
@noahpelletier2510
@noahpelletier2510 8 жыл бұрын
I think I understand the argument well. Guess I just can't wrap my head around the universe not existing. Just because I can say it doesn't mean I can conceptualize it. This may be a by product of me being bound by the natural world and I can't convince of the idea of nothing ever existing because that's my only experience. I just bought Trents book so I'll check it out. I still like and use the argument I just think one can make a case for saying that in fact the universe has to exist. Kreeft and Matt are my favorite I'll have to check out what they say. Thanks alot
@alysonray3519
@alysonray3519 8 жыл бұрын
Exactly. The alternative to a Universe that does exist is that one does not exist. That might be confusing but if I said that there were 10 universes and asked what the alternative was to number 6 existing, i'm sure you'd have no problem with saying that the alternative was that it doesn't exist. The trick is just to let go of the preconception/assumption of this 'universe' being all that there is. I'm not asserting that there is more, just that I don't believe that what we experience is all that there is as i haven't been convinced that this is all that there is. Example: I'm an ignorant human in a desert on Earth. I look around and see only sand. I assume this is all that there is. I am wrong. I could be right if the entire planet was sand but until i get off the planet and see it from all sides, i can't assert that. Same with the 'Universe'. We're in it. We assert 'this is all that is'. We might be right. We might be wrong. Too early to make that assertion. Now to modern science. It states that at one time all matter, time and space was condensed into a singularity. Nothing more. It doesn't say that there is nothing more or that there is more. The hypothesis is that the 'universe' we inhabit is expanding and thus it must be expanding from something. It must have been smaller in the past. The calculations give us a distance back in time to when that expansion started. From what? Don't know. How? Don't know. For all we know the 'universe' we inhabit is a drop of magic white paint dropped into black ink by some clumsy child in another dimension. (For the record, i do not assert or believe that is possible, nor do i say it is not possible)
@bemusedatheist5706
@bemusedatheist5706 4 жыл бұрын
The cosmological argument seems to gloss over modern metaphysics which suggests that the universe might not have a cause and instead seems more dependent on philosophies that were cutting edge 2,000 years ago.
@CanadianPolybius
@CanadianPolybius 8 жыл бұрын
Not sure about this one. Seems to rely on limited human perception of existence.
@alysonray3519
@alysonray3519 8 жыл бұрын
You can assert that the universe is contingent but how do you get to it being contingent on a 'God'? The word God has baggage attached as it has today and all that baggage needs to be justified before you can use a word such as 'God'. Try using a word that has no current definition or attached value. I'll use Bliktor. Now we can say that 'Bliktor' has the quality that it can create this universe. The existence that we experience. Therefore 'Bliktor' is necessary and 'Bliktor' exists. We can not assert ANY other qualities to 'Bliktor'. If you'd like to assert that your 'God' is my 'Bliktor' then you'll have to do better than bold assertions and peoples' ignorance.
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