Harvard Professor: The Facts About Police Brutality - Roland Fryer

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Roland Fryer is an American economist and tenured professor at Harvard University.
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00:00 Trailer
00:44 I went into my study assuming the police were racist
03:58 The surprising findings
07:28 Racist use of non-lethal force?
11:28 Protesting isn’t for me
12:29 I didn’t set out to cause controversy
15:14 Broken relationship between minorities and the police
18:37 Offsetting bias
21:22 SPONSOR: Munk Debates
22:26 My life got turned upside down
25:30 I refuse to lie
27:00 The narrative changed
29:10 Twitter labelled the paper as hate speech
30:05 Why were people upset about the positive results?
34:14 Academics were running scared
36:45 They changed the standards of evidence because they didn’t like the results
38:18 Truth is under threat
41:30 The Claudine Gay debacle
46:45 The true purpose of university
49:19 SPONSOR: Monetary Metals
50:52 Bias in publishing
53:28 How we fix this
57:28 Can academia be saved?
59:06 Academics need a moral compass
1:03:10 Professors afraid of students
1:06:00 What’s the one thing we’re not talking about?

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@triggerpod
@triggerpod Ай бұрын
WATCH 24 hrs early, extended and ad-free on our Locals! triggernometry.locals.com/ CHAPTERS👇 00:00 Trailer 00:44 I went into my study assuming the police were racist 03:58 The surprising findings 07:28 Racist use of non-lethal force? 11:28 Protesting isn’t for me 12:29 I didn’t set out to cause controversy 15:14 Broken relationship between minorities and the police 18:37 Offsetting bias 21:22 SPONSOR: Munk Debates 22:26 My life got turned upside down 25:30 I refuse to lie 27:00 The narrative changed 29:10 Twitter labelled the paper as hate speech 30:05 Why were people upset about the positive results? 34:14 Academics were running scared 36:45 They changed the standards of evidence because they didn’t like the results 38:18 Truth is under threat 41:30 The Claudine Gay debacle 46:45 The true purpose of university 49:19 SPONSOR: Monetary Metals 50:52 Bias in publishing 53:28 How we fix this 57:28 Can academia be saved? 59:06 Academics need a moral compass 1:03:10 Professors afraid of students 1:06:00 What’s the one thing we’re not talking about?
@bestdjaf7499
@bestdjaf7499 Ай бұрын
28:15 You literally called the guy a "Demon Monkey"?! 🤣😂
@msimon6808
@msimon6808 Ай бұрын
Well, I can't lie either. Nixon's War On Blacks (Lawfare) is driving Blacks to Trump. A Black Trump supporter at the May 23, 2024 Bronx rally called for an end to Systemic Racism. There is no Drug Prohibition Amendment. The Feds lack jurisdiction. Google - "Blacks Are Victims of Lawfare" Power and Control - for my take and video of the rally
@nigelralphmurphy2852
@nigelralphmurphy2852 Ай бұрын
What a disappointment this man must be to his family, his community, and to his ancestors. One black man being a white supremacist’s ventriloquist dummy can do much, much, much, more damage than the bog standard white supremacist spouting white supremacist garbage. Shame on this lying collaborator and shame on the premeditated violence he is doing to the community of people who look like him.
@Mesamedusa
@Mesamedusa Ай бұрын
Using 1 man and his 1 study to talk about the "facts" of police brutality. Not wanting to discredit the work of Roland Fryers, but, many studies, including ones criticising or picking apart Fryers results, point to different conclusions. This is not touched upon ...at all... Confirmation bias if ever I saw it. And there is not a single critical post in this comment section, so that appears to be what this audience is looking for.
@bestdjaf7499
@bestdjaf7499 Ай бұрын
@@Mesamedusa Dude, I am a brown immigrant. I've been stopped by the cops like 100-200 times. I haven't been stopped by cops for the past 10 years. I don't party & don't drive at night & I drive carefully. I am very polite with the cops. Actually, i was stopped recently, for supposedly not stopping at the Stop Sign. I told the cop that I have a camera, & I apologized in case it was true, & explained that it's probably the traffic conditions & I am working.... *(He just gave me a warning. And it's because the majority of the judges/attorneys will throw out the case, or or the worst case scenario, will ask me to pay 50% of the ticket). Look how the lawyers react to the traffic stop. They are extremely polite. There is no need to fight with the cops. You do it in court. There is no need for any type of confrontation or arguments. But I have friends who are speeding & arguing with the cops.... They drink & smoke in the car. And they are telling me that they are being stopped for no reason.
@Big_Cap
@Big_Cap Ай бұрын
Roland Fryer is just a normal guy who wants to do the right thing. His work, morals, and ethics should be praised. A man to aspire to be.
@robertmarshall2502
@robertmarshall2502 Ай бұрын
And that's precisely why they hate him. He's got the "right" identity politics but the "wrong" opinions. By which I mean a commitment to basic morality and scientific objectivity. The very best parts of Western culture. And therefore evil.
@msimon6808
@msimon6808 Ай бұрын
How you can possibly believe that is beyond me. Or maybe you don't know this. Nixon's War On Blacks (Lawfare) is driving Blacks to Trump. A Black Trump supporter at the May 23, 2024 Bronx rally called for an end to Systemic Racism. There is no Drug Prohibition Amendment. The Feds lack jurisdiction. Google - "Blacks Are Victims of Lawfare" Power and Control - for my take and video of the rally
@FC-PeakVersatility
@FC-PeakVersatility Ай бұрын
More importantly he's prepared to be swayed by the evidence into changing his opinion
@offshoretomorrow3346
@offshoretomorrow3346 Ай бұрын
Structural Racism is the perfect deflection for incompetent teachers. Funny that.
@ichmich9324
@ichmich9324 Ай бұрын
He will suffer the same faith as people like Thomas Sowell. He will be somehow known and in some way relevant and appear. But the mainstream will never acknowledge him, his ideas or will even touch his topics to bring it to their audience. He will simply be ignored as good as it can be
@Slumbert
@Slumbert Ай бұрын
A university shouldn't have a narrative.
@jennifercockfield3218
@jennifercockfield3218 Ай бұрын
They shouldn’t, but unfortunately some do. Especially the ones we used to deem "prestigious.”
@hanswoast7
@hanswoast7 Ай бұрын
No. It should have a narrative, just an explicitly a-political one like "we are a place to educate the people and advance knowledge as rigorously and truthfully as possible. We do not have any political agenda and we bow to no one and nothing, except the truth."
@skashed
@skashed Ай бұрын
Too much money is tied up in Universities for them not to have narratives. I know it sounds like I am being conspiratorial, but every university has been in hot water for one reason or another (all due to being bought and paid for). You'll probably remember the elite students who were having their grades paid for. You may know that every scientific paper (especially the university led ones) has been compromised by stat doping and outright false information to show a particular narrative. You may be aware that the information being taught at universities is stepped on heavily by corporations and politicians. It boggles my mind that we still value post secondary education at all.
@analogbunny
@analogbunny Ай бұрын
"The truth" is the historical narrative they pursued. And actually he even said in the interview; whether he proved one side or the other that he proved right, he didn't care. When you find the truth, you get the tools to fix the problem.
@TheBanderson22
@TheBanderson22 Ай бұрын
Actually, they should. A commitment to free speech and open discourse and independent research. That's a narrative. The problem is they have the wrong one.
@jpyramjd
@jpyramjd Ай бұрын
This guy should be the president of Harvard now. Bring the college integrity back.
@HypnoPantsOnline
@HypnoPantsOnline 29 күн бұрын
They no longer can, Harvard takes in WAY too much money from DEI investments :D
@nerdjournal
@nerdjournal 27 күн бұрын
The guy who literally misrepresent the findings of the study should be president? This whole comment section is proof you guys refuse to do any actual research and prefer to just engage in fallacy and a lot of appeal to authority.
@Hudpower
@Hudpower 26 күн бұрын
his paper was written making assumptions and drawing conclusions, and coding their own data without posting the origional data. while its not impossible that the assertion made is true, its a sketchy paper and by no means woild bring integrity if scientests began making assumptions in order to get to a conclusion. The real truth is plenty of papers have presented evidence to the opposing argument, but the one that does is suddenly "this guy is right and knows all". its confirming what you already believe so its much easier to accept it as truth. theres plenty of pretty sound criticism that looks at his analysis fsctually that you can look up online.
@plutoloco2378
@plutoloco2378 26 күн бұрын
You’re just as bad as the wokists. No black should be the president of any institution. They’re not qualified.
@LifeofPani
@LifeofPani 26 күн бұрын
Omg yes, I'll vote for that🗳
@arthurdirindinjr1792
@arthurdirindinjr1792 Ай бұрын
History has shown us the most hated man in any room shall ALWAYS be the man who dares speak the truth
@bettermetal8306
@bettermetal8306 28 күн бұрын
Always?
@freebird9229
@freebird9229 25 күн бұрын
Here is some truth. He is FOS. Low level violence in police stops of black people are caused by the black culture of believing they are above the law and do not have to comply.
@ish7957
@ish7957 25 күн бұрын
Hitler
@Blade.5786
@Blade.5786 24 күн бұрын
​@@bettermetal8306Always.
@unclecreed2986
@unclecreed2986 23 күн бұрын
​@Blade.5786 my drunk uncles disproves that.
@domfrancis3140
@domfrancis3140 Ай бұрын
Love this guy. Love the fact he refuses to lie.
@Brandonthesnifferofall
@Brandonthesnifferofall Ай бұрын
Standing on principle is admirable 🇺🇸
@Brandonthesnifferofall
@Brandonthesnifferofall Ай бұрын
@@beverly9 he had the facts.. choosing to publish them shows he’s principled. I used English correctly here and know what I meant 👍 lol
@PrimitiveArchery6
@PrimitiveArchery6 Ай бұрын
🗿🗿🗿
@notloki3377
@notloki3377 Ай бұрын
the fact that a harvard professor didn't account for differential crime rates in his analysis should raise eyebrows... oh but keep clapping like a pack of trained seals.
@tonycatman
@tonycatman Ай бұрын
And yet most people, most of the time, vote for the person who lies hardest, promote the people who lie most, and buy the newspapers who tell the biggest lies.
@againstalladsgames
@againstalladsgames 25 күн бұрын
I’m often saddened by things I see people do. It’s quite refreshing to see a smart and honest man do the work and stand up.
@SynackResearch
@SynackResearch 24 күн бұрын
The truth clearly hurts. Thanks for making this available, team, and thanks Roland for providing such valuable insight and research.
@CandiceGoddard
@CandiceGoddard 14 күн бұрын
Depends on what truth you mean. When the naive child stated that the emperor was naked, was the emperor hurt because he was naked or hurt because he had been tricked? There's a difference. Only perverts enjoy being humiliated.
@mikejewell8518
@mikejewell8518 4 күн бұрын
Yet Fryer refuses to acknowledge SEVERAL other economic research studies(published in top economic journals such as his study was) that came out both before and after his study that find OPPOSITE results. ONE study doesn't constitute a consensus and Fryer KNOWS THATS THE CASE. He is far from an idiot. An Example Study: "Does Race Matter for Police Use of Force? Evidence from 911 Calls" by Mark Hoekstra
@Michael_1138
@Michael_1138 Ай бұрын
“Why don’t academics care enough about pursuing the truth?” I think history shows that people would rather be popular than right.
@hanswoast7
@hanswoast7 Ай бұрын
The whole point of academia is to pursue the truth and bow to nothing else. The rest is just people doing bad stuff like fake status grabbing, prejudice or cowardice.
@OddityDK
@OddityDK Ай бұрын
He started by talking about the backlash he faced by doing so, death threats included, so he should know better than most why people are afraid to tell the truth.
@mattp7828
@mattp7828 Ай бұрын
People would rather be paid than be right, funding drives research.
@Mike80528
@Mike80528 Ай бұрын
@@mattp7828 That's an oversimplification that glosses over the core issue - capitalism. When it's no longer about whether the result is scientifically significant, but whether the result has economic benefit for someone. If not, there's no funding. It used to be simply quality research could get funding. Not anymore.
@tommyrotton9468
@tommyrotton9468 Ай бұрын
in this case, paid well as a university race baiter getting bums on seats
@Gruner69
@Gruner69 Ай бұрын
A Harvard Professor with integrity. Bravo!
@WOTArtyNoobs
@WOTArtyNoobs Ай бұрын
The first since Professor Alan Dershowitz.
@corriemooney9812
@corriemooney9812 Ай бұрын
And he was suspended for it.
@wheelie642
@wheelie642 Ай бұрын
The bias he uncovered is in direct proportion to the self inflicted bad reputation of black culture. Thug life is real. The bad reputation will not be going anywhere anytime soon. The part that is unfortunate is when black individuals with good reputations are wrongly profiled as a thug. The bias is real because the bad reputations are real. Let’s recognize the bigger picture so we can put context on the bias. Roland had a Floridian slip at 11:58 when he began to say ‘why’ things are happening then quickly changed his word to ‘what’ was happening. I don’t think he is capable of exposing ‘why’ It should also be noted many thugs, bad elements, bad people have learned to be chameleons. When pulled over on a traffic stop a thug may appear a great citizen then whip out a gun and start shooting or reach for the officer’s gun all in the blink of an eye.
@wheelie642
@wheelie642 Ай бұрын
He points out what is happening but is unable to say why. I “ can “ tell you why. It doesn’t take a professor. The reputation of the black community is deeply stained and will remain that way. People refer to it as systemic racism but the truth is bad reputation manifests into perceived racism and it is the primary contributor to racial profiling. Everyone is entitled to their discernment.
@jasonsnow4177
@jasonsnow4177 Ай бұрын
Not all liberals are brain-dead. It's why I'm no longer liberal for the most part.
@johannesschaller5510
@johannesschaller5510 Ай бұрын
The world needs more social scientists like Roland Fryer, who use data and evidence to draw accurate conclusions about what is happening. To have proved his own preconception on this subject to be incorrect and to be willing to talk about it openly is admirable.
@googleisskynet7312
@googleisskynet7312 28 күн бұрын
He's still in denial about certain aspects of the demographic/crime situation. You wonder why the police are more likely to use force on certain groups? Well, that's very simple. The brain is a pattern recognizer and cops (like all humans) have a natural instinct to protect themselves from threats. It's impossible to turn your brain off and ignore patterns you're aware of when they're linked to your survival and safety. It's lizard brain stuff. When they ask cops to not profile, they're literally asking them to turn off one of the most basic instincts they have. The cops know that certain groups are overwhelmingly more likely to resist arrest, assault them, commit violent crime, etc. and so OF COURSE they are going to be more likely to use force against them. Mind you, a use of force can be something as simple as handcuffing a detained suspect because they're nervous that the suspect might try to flee or attack them, and I guarantee that is the VAST majority of the instances Fryer counted as a "use of force incident." So, what he's calling "racial bias" is more than likely just the cops using their basic instincts, training and experience to more effectively do their job. The only way to remove this knowledge aforethought in the minds of the police is if the PATTERNS STOP AND THE DATA CHANGES i.e. certain groups STOP COMMITTING OVERWHELMINGLY HIGHER LEVELS OF CRIME, INCLUDING RESISTING ARREST, FLEEING, ETC.
@interventor3507
@interventor3507 17 күн бұрын
His paper was criticized because of selection bias. Also keep in mind George Floyd wasnt shot, but strangled by a knee.
@Madonnalitta1
@Madonnalitta1 17 күн бұрын
​@@interventor3507he was neither.
17 күн бұрын
​@@interventor3507criticism doesn't counter the findings there chum
@interventor3507
@interventor3507 16 күн бұрын
Yes it does, faulty data collection, sketchy paper.
@slickstrings
@slickstrings 21 күн бұрын
I remember reading about a study done by a couple of statistics experts who collected a whole lot of data about police doing traffic stops in a region where accusations of racial profiling were rife. They actually set out to prove the police were racist. The results showed the police did in fact pull black people over more often, but they found they also pulled black people over more often at night when they couldnt possibly have known the race of the driver. The data showed the bias was caused by black people breaking traffic laws more often and attracting more attention to themselves. So the narrative about racist police was driven by emotion and not data. That is a huge issue because if you dont want to be accurate about the nature of the problem you will never get an accurate solution that works.
@bigdaddy3621
@bigdaddy3621 16 күн бұрын
An officer has discretion to issue a ticket. Driving is not discussed in the Constitution. In fact, most police departments didn't exist before the Civil War. White drivers break the laws to, but an officer is more likely to give a white person a warning. Go do the research on that.
@lee4171
@lee4171 Ай бұрын
My PhD was on the US South. Before I submitted, both of my examiners told me that if I left in the fact that there was parity between blacks and whites when discussing poverty, 'other Universities will not want me in the future'. I stated that it was 100% provable and all the stats since the 1970s prove it. They replied, that it doesn't matter, it's not the narrative universities want or supply funding for. I walked away from academia as soon as I got my Doctorate; with the stats left in. It's all a rip off. Making black folk feel they're still oppressed is big business for select white groups.
@jaredfritsch6833
@jaredfritsch6833 Ай бұрын
Good man. If academia refuses to hold truth of information as the highest standard, then they don't deserve you. Truth, ESPECIALLY when it's ugly, is more important than ANY narrative
@analyticalmind4493
@analyticalmind4493 Ай бұрын
I'm guessing the same people who think they can't get an ID and do not know what the word "computer" means. The infantilization bothers me, and I'm only seeing it from the outside.
@jshyoungblood
@jshyoungblood Ай бұрын
Where is the money in this "business"?
@lee4171
@lee4171 Ай бұрын
@@jshyoungblood You're are aware of how universities work I take it? Garnering to the current zeitgeist. Procuring funding through organisations that make money from such issues. Making it fashionable to potential students and their paying parents. Promoting issues which strengthen their stance on a subject. Only employing those willing to get on board. Do I need to go on? It goes as deep as you can look.
@garydickson8883
@garydickson8883 Ай бұрын
@@jshyoungbloodI’m guessing the money is in funding for grants, endowing professorships, and donations.
@Rensune
@Rensune Ай бұрын
It should be a requirement for all our Professors to be like this man.
@RichardEnglander
@RichardEnglander Ай бұрын
The system used to select for people with critical thinking and objectivity. Now it selects for conformity and the ability to doublethink.
@Woodland-Gangsta
@Woodland-Gangsta Ай бұрын
In what way should a professor be like this man
@Woodland-Gangsta
@Woodland-Gangsta Ай бұрын
In what way should a professor be like this man
@GustavoHeinlein
@GustavoHeinlein Ай бұрын
In areas like Atlanta or Detroit, the majority of inner city officers are black. So, black police are bigoted against black community?
@theredking3070
@theredking3070 Ай бұрын
@@Woodland-Gangstanot being a filthy communist for starters
@samirdhindhwal8701
@samirdhindhwal8701 Ай бұрын
He's passionate, smart, and sincere about helping people. Top man!
@msimon6808
@msimon6808 Ай бұрын
If he is so sincere about helping people, how did he manage to leave this out? Nixon's War On Blacks (Lawfare) is driving Blacks to Trump. A Black Trump supporter at the May 23, 2024 Bronx rally called for an end to Systemic Racism. There is no Drug Prohibition Amendment. The Feds lack jurisdiction. Google - "Blacks Are Victims of Lawfare" Power and Control - for my take and video of the rally
@lodger135
@lodger135 27 күн бұрын
And add to that, good sense of humor. His laughter is contagious.
@allergicTOsunhats
@allergicTOsunhats Ай бұрын
I could listen to this guy all day. Hes kind, patient, intuitive, steady, and has such a pleasant way of putting things.
@skotski
@skotski Ай бұрын
So refreshing. Yes, this is what academia was, and should be. "injecting truth into the discussion".
@cutter666666
@cutter666666 Ай бұрын
Destroys the victim ideology. Well Done.
@thijsjong
@thijsjong Ай бұрын
It is also the tale the democrats tell their voters
@Woodland-Gangsta
@Woodland-Gangsta Ай бұрын
What victim ideology?
@alphagenisis1
@alphagenisis1 Ай бұрын
@@Woodland-Gangstaexactly
@user-pq7jj3vs3e
@user-pq7jj3vs3e Ай бұрын
Doesn’t bother you that he found racial bias on non lethal use of force? You are after a narrative. Reality is complicated
@grannyannie2948
@grannyannie2948 Ай бұрын
Unfortunately these false narratives of bias get exported to countries where they definitely don't apply
@HeartlessRival
@HeartlessRival Ай бұрын
It's very telling that the response to Roland's work from BLM wasn't: "Thank god we were very concerned about police fatalities, this is fantastic news"
@rogerward801
@rogerward801 Ай бұрын
They were busy cashing checks and buying homes and cars
@bigbrointhesky
@bigbrointhesky Ай бұрын
That would remove the justification for their grift.
@leonvalentine3748
@leonvalentine3748 Ай бұрын
His results don't buy mansions
@brennangum6236
@brennangum6236 Ай бұрын
I mean he did find bias in non lethal use of force. That's also important. Still something to work on
@HeartlessRival
@HeartlessRival Ай бұрын
@@brennangum6236 Absolutely! I think the problem with this issue and many other is people want an excuse to be angry or something to blame for why they're not where they want to be, not actually work on the issue. But for those who actually care, the first step in solving a problem is correctly identifying the problem and that's what Roland has done and why it's so valuable, if BLM are serious they should have taken this Data seriously and they didn't which is really disappointing.
@sweetpeas8206
@sweetpeas8206 28 күн бұрын
I have done ride alongs in my city, at night. I purposefully chose to do the ride along in my district to understand the issues in my own backyard. It was hugely enlightening. The skills officers use, the issues officers encounter, and the split second decisions police must make are mind blowing. Do a ride along, at night, before you judge officers too harshly.
@mcncolon7962
@mcncolon7962 29 күн бұрын
Roland Fryer should be added to Trigonometry as one of your interviewers. He is an incredibly intelligent and well spoken individual. I love how he can challenge a thought with the sincere desire to understand a different perspective. Well done sir!
@N0ENEMIES
@N0ENEMIES Ай бұрын
Nothing angers emotionally unstable people more than the truth.
@sinesaii
@sinesaii Ай бұрын
They would scream at you for believing in objective truth. They only believe in “their truth.” There is no reality in the humanities, and they are trying to push their post modernist BS on everyone else. It is the Rich White Lady gang, and they will cancel you.
@Naraku1987
@Naraku1987 Ай бұрын
Or religious people for that matter.
@N0ENEMIES
@N0ENEMIES Ай бұрын
@Naraku1987 it's rather unfortunate you felt the need to drag religion into a conversation that has nothing to do with religion.
@michaelgarrett2266
@michaelgarrett2266 Ай бұрын
Tell MAGA that
@N0ENEMIES
@N0ENEMIES Ай бұрын
@michaelgarrett2266 everyone is just deflecting. This is amazing.
@SashaUK-tl9nl
@SashaUK-tl9nl Ай бұрын
I LOVE LOVE LOVE Roland Fryer. His life story, if nothing else, should act as an inspiration for anyone, no matter their race.
@AH-te5gs
@AH-te5gs Ай бұрын
I hope you mean except the unprofessional conduct for which he was suspended for two years.
@SashaUK-tl9nl
@SashaUK-tl9nl Ай бұрын
@@AH-te5gs Cooked up by the hostile Claudine Gay.
@cowsandsows
@cowsandsows 26 күн бұрын
Great interview. I've heard about Roland Fryer and his study and am impressed. Intelligence, integrity & humor.
@xabre9995
@xabre9995 24 күн бұрын
“No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth.” - Plato
@charleswrightson5483
@charleswrightson5483 Ай бұрын
Roland Fryer needs to be protected at all costs - He very well could be the next generations Thomas Sowell. That is compliment to Roland Fryer, Thomas Sowell is a global treasure.
@adamconner9302
@adamconner9302 Ай бұрын
Haha, we literally had the same thought. My words were a little different in my post, but my goodness I finish typing and look at the next few comments and bam there you are. You sir clearly have the capacity to see the big picture. Hurrah for you. Those of us with the eyes to see it, we must play our role, it's our obligation and our duty to those who can only see the details.
@mst5g826
@mst5g826 Ай бұрын
Being called all the pejoratives is a right of passage for any honest, black intellectual in this country. I'm sure he's heard them all before and has received threats, as well. Let's hope we get to see more of him and where his career leads.
@dreadpiratetjoris
@dreadpiratetjoris 29 күн бұрын
Along with Colman Hughes
@martinus9755
@martinus9755 Ай бұрын
Roland Fryer! Spectacular guest, so sincere and thoughtful.
@ajak4262
@ajak4262 15 күн бұрын
This man is an actual, Social Justice Warrior in the true sense of the term, he is actually looking at justice, and not identity politics, no wonder he's hated.
@elycetyler1942
@elycetyler1942 Ай бұрын
My favorite line of the interview: “…I was probably using the wrong fork,…” Such a down to earth real human being.
@Azraelcruz23
@Azraelcruz23 Ай бұрын
A true social scientist and earnest scholar, this man is far too good for Harvard.
@vanessashimoni6548
@vanessashimoni6548 Ай бұрын
Yes!
@aSSGoblin1488
@aSSGoblin1488 Ай бұрын
its easily corrupted by ideology, social aciences
@stevennowachek2657
@stevennowachek2657 Ай бұрын
He's disingenuous.
@Azraelcruz23
@Azraelcruz23 Ай бұрын
@@stevennowachek2657 What do you mean?
@stevennowachek2657
@stevennowachek2657 Ай бұрын
@@Azraelcruz23 I mean if he just now figured out social science was biased and ideologically skewed he's stupid or lying
@TimPool.BeanieCivilWarlord
@TimPool.BeanieCivilWarlord Ай бұрын
The greatest form of self enlightenment is discovering that your most sacred beliefs could be/are wrong.
@bryandraughn9830
@bryandraughn9830 Ай бұрын
When our own conclusions become suspect we can begin to find the flaws in our understanding. The single most important information I've ever learned.
@squibbelsmcjohnson
@squibbelsmcjohnson 28 күн бұрын
I'm glad i don't think like that..I love to be proven wrong because I would hate to be right about lots of stuff I believe
@stefanbatory3632
@stefanbatory3632 25 күн бұрын
Hopefully he will realize that when it comes to education. Somehow the 0.5 bln Bill Gates Foundation experiment failed miserably at improving the educational outcomes, and they've tried everything under the sun.
@loganroy24
@loganroy24 15 күн бұрын
@@squibbelsmcjohnson It's like my dad said, sometimes, it's better to be wrong than right.
@healthfadsfade
@healthfadsfade 23 күн бұрын
Just a reasonable, wise, and admirable intellectual. I wish all professors thought like this man. Im probably not alone in this but I would love to have a beer with him.
@lollypeepo
@lollypeepo 26 күн бұрын
The world is brighter when someone decides to tell the truth.
@elliotrichard1353
@elliotrichard1353 Ай бұрын
Thank you Prof. Fryer for being intellectually honest and having integrity.
@hanswoast7
@hanswoast7 Ай бұрын
Without being able to seek, see and speak the truth, we are doomed. Great attitude Mr. Fryer!
@patrickanders6776
@patrickanders6776 26 күн бұрын
Rare to see such an amazing interviewee!! I really appreciate seeing someone with their head on straight! Great Vid! Cheers from Denver
@BoJangles42
@BoJangles42 Ай бұрын
Another amazing guest. Huge respect to all 3 of you. Thank you 🙏
@Slumbert
@Slumbert Ай бұрын
Here in Denmark arabs and blacks has very bad attitude etc. Not people from Far East etc Same pattern in all of Europe. Worse in Sweden....50 no go zones. Police have to come with weapons and many.
@ye4864
@ye4864 Ай бұрын
That’s your fault, supporting “free Palestine” and lose your own country until it becomes Palestine itself… you have only yourself to blame.
@delphoeneevenhuis5199
@delphoeneevenhuis5199 Ай бұрын
​@@ye4864How do you know this person has an opinion on a foreign war?
@ye4864
@ye4864 Ай бұрын
@@delphoeneevenhuis5199 it came out wrong; by “you” I meant Swedes and Danes in general
@grannyannie2948
@grannyannie2948 Ай бұрын
Two tier policing discriminates against whites
@Sandy-oj7ig
@Sandy-oj7ig Ай бұрын
It's religious jihad. Be on guard and go back to your churches . Secularism is failing in Europe.
@siggyincr7447
@siggyincr7447 Ай бұрын
What a pleasant breath of fresh air this man is. This is what an academic should be, focused on truth seeking regardless of where it leads you, willing to stand behind his findings even if it's unpopular.
@user-oh9rw8jz6h
@user-oh9rw8jz6h Ай бұрын
❤❤❤
@wonderings8973
@wonderings8973 Ай бұрын
What would you have said if he'd said that US police were as brutal & biased as most believe?
@siggyincr7447
@siggyincr7447 Ай бұрын
@@wonderings8973 If he could back it by solid research findings, it would be a whole lot less pleasant because what it says about American society as a whole. But I would still commend him for doing good research. Of course, those were the results he was expecting to find and the the results that his fellow academics wanted him to find. So it would have been less interesting in terms of following the data despite it being unpopular as it would have simply affirmed the popular narrative.
@wonderings8973
@wonderings8973 Ай бұрын
@@siggyincr7447 I think you'll find that many of the people praising him would NOT be supportive of research that didn't reaffirm what they already believed. I've seen far too much of that over the years
@siggyincr7447
@siggyincr7447 Ай бұрын
@@wonderings8973 Sure, confirmation bias is the norm for human beings. While his findings aren't surprising to me, that's not why I hold him in such high regard. He went ahead and published despite warnings that it could be bad for his career. This is what we need more of.
@AM-xj4bd
@AM-xj4bd 29 күн бұрын
So nice to hear 3 intelligent men having an important interview/conversation. They verbalize every point in my head (and more articulately).
@TheIpwnkyle
@TheIpwnkyle Ай бұрын
Nex gen Thomas Sowell. Hope he stays around and lives as good of a life as Dr. Sowell
@dsamh
@dsamh Ай бұрын
This is a real man.
@stevennowachek2657
@stevennowachek2657 Ай бұрын
By that you mean a disingenuous piece of s*** who came to the truth 10 years too late
@Aussie100-hj2jm
@Aussie100-hj2jm Ай бұрын
Why ? A ninja that isn’t following a set narrative on the race card ?
@dsamh
@dsamh Ай бұрын
@@Aussie100-hj2jm It's like a lot of things. You get it or you dont.
@Aussie100-hj2jm
@Aussie100-hj2jm Ай бұрын
@@dsamh I’m just saying why is every one jumping up and down for him actually doing his job He says he wanted the opposite outcome so as people would like him .Honest. But everyone is acting like he’s exceptional because he isn’t being a typical ninja ? Right ? Omg look the ninja isn’t being a ninja WOW WHAT A REAL MAN 😂😂😂🤷
@rogerward801
@rogerward801 Ай бұрын
​@@Aussie100-hj2jmCuz so many in his position DON'T do their job. They adjust their research and findings to fit certain narratives and ideologies
@Fangface74
@Fangface74 Ай бұрын
Research facts and THEN draw conclusions, this man is integrity personified
@MrDavidznuff
@MrDavidznuff 26 күн бұрын
INTEGRITY! The question is: can we trust science anymore? It feels like we don't have scientits like this gentleman anymore.
@truthTramp
@truthTramp 18 күн бұрын
'Truth is like poetry, and most people f***ing hate poetry!' -The Big Short.
@fred98321
@fred98321 Ай бұрын
There are people who don't want to solve the problems because the conflicts benefit them or their cause.
@rogerward801
@rogerward801 Ай бұрын
$$$$$$$$ and power/control
@minivanmonkey
@minivanmonkey Ай бұрын
The most incredible thing about your statement is that Democrats read this and they have Republicans top of mind with examples when they say "You are right." Republicans have Democrats top of mind with examples when they say "You are right." And they are both right. A poor republican and a poor democrat have more in common with each other than either of them have with the rich in their own party.
@spracketskooch
@spracketskooch Ай бұрын
Fucking love this man. He's a fantastic example for anyone who is curious and wants to pursue truth in any given situation.
@georgecavanaugh8757
@georgecavanaugh8757 26 күн бұрын
Thank you for your honesty. Don’t ever change. You have authentic integrity, and that is the most valuable human trait that can be attained. You’re a very good man.
@thunderstreet78
@thunderstreet78 Ай бұрын
Fantastic conversation! Roland Fryer is one of the reasons I still have hope for our future. His interview with UATX is also excellent.
@Tamara-qd5dc
@Tamara-qd5dc Ай бұрын
Ronald Fryer is an exceptional scientist, incredibly interesting personality and the most courageous man.
@tubester4567
@tubester4567 Ай бұрын
Hes not the first. All the statistics have been known for years, even other black academics like Glenn Loury have said it. There is an epidemic of homicides, gangs and violence in the AA community that has been going on for decades, and we know around 75% of those crimes are never solved by police. We know if a blk person is harmed in the US, 99% of the time the perp is another blk person. We know a white person is many times more likely to be harmed by a blk person than the other way around. We know homicide is the leading cause of death for AA's and AA's is the only race where homicide or violence is the leading cause of death. All the stats are very clear but the left and the media say the opposite is true in some misguided attempt to help or protect them. This is how we got to a point where people can call for genocide in the streets and face no repercussions and stores are closing across the country from mob robberies and theres a total breakdown of law and order,
@avengemybreath3084
@avengemybreath3084 Ай бұрын
Wish the media would have allowed this discussion 4 years ago. Better late than never.
@sue3032
@sue3032 Ай бұрын
MSM will never showcase his studies. It doesn’t fit their racist grifting narrative.
@lynnelee4390
@lynnelee4390 Ай бұрын
The msm still wouldn't allow this conversation
@grannyannie2948
@grannyannie2948 Ай бұрын
It was a joke that it was exported out of the US in 2020
@aidananstey9848
@aidananstey9848 Ай бұрын
@@grannyannie2948 Completely pathetic, the same as we had protests in Australia after the overturning of Roe v Wade. And as a result they expanded legal abortion in Australia from 20weeks to 25weeks which is just sick.
@grannyannie2948
@grannyannie2948 Ай бұрын
@@aidananstey9848 Yes I remember seeing videos from Sydney. I personally like Tasmania's approach. It's legal, but no doctor is willing to do one, regardless of weeks. I remember listening to the NSW parliament debating the issue. Feminists argueing for it to be raised for gender selection for people of cultures who don't want girls. It made my head spin. I think most Australians view this issue differently to Americans.
@thetruthfromthefuture
@thetruthfromthefuture 4 күн бұрын
We're failing as a society. We're teaching kids that feelings are more important than actual facts.
@mikejewell8518
@mikejewell8518 4 күн бұрын
Yet Fryer refuses to acknowledge SEVERAL other economic research studies(published in top economic journals such as his study was) that came out both before and after his study that find OPPOSITE results. ONE study doesn't constitute a consensus and Fryer KNOWS THATS THE CASE. He is far from an idiot. An Example Study: "Does Race Matter for Police Use of Force? Evidence from 911 Calls" by Mark Hoekstra
@Orson2u
@Orson2u Ай бұрын
At 44m. Larry is an intense and compelling man. I had the opportunity to go to Harvard. But when Larry was fired for simply asking research questions, I declined. Thanks, Roland, for sharing that story. And today, you and he are colleagues! A happy ending that’s yet another beginning.
@raymondjensen4603
@raymondjensen4603 Ай бұрын
Most people believe they seek truth, but most really just want to stay within the sanctions of their tribe.
@rbarnes4076
@rbarnes4076 Ай бұрын
I think that is most definitely true. My experience has taught me the same.
@TimPool.BeanieCivilWarlord
@TimPool.BeanieCivilWarlord Ай бұрын
Most people are weak and shirk from the slightest bit of pain and discomfort, be that physical or mental, such as the case with cognitive dissonance.
@TheForbiddenOne55
@TheForbiddenOne55 3 сағат бұрын
Simply put 🤷🏾
@Aiphiae
@Aiphiae 25 күн бұрын
1:09 As a high school teacher, it really resonates with me when he talks about schools using data effectively. My board, and many others, fudge the numbers to ensure they get funding and/or to make policy changes look effective. It makes it extremely hard to know if what we're doing as teachers is actually effective on a broad scale.
@CharlieBam
@CharlieBam 24 күн бұрын
I was a hs teacher for years and felt the same. I mentally checked out once or became clear they wanted good data above all. Even if the kid can barely read and won't turn in work, pass them. No thanks lol I got out
@Aiphiae
@Aiphiae 24 күн бұрын
@@CharlieBam Absolutely. We have kids getting grade 9 math credits when they struggle to add 8 and 4. How does that make any sense? How on Earth is a 15 year old kid getting a high school math credit when they can't do 1st grade math?
@user-tf8xr8wc9u
@user-tf8xr8wc9u 18 күн бұрын
He's talking a bunch of BS, my man. You're a high school teacher, so you clearly don't get why. Researchers don't EVER say that their paper, that their singular research, is definitive. That's now how science works. Peer review. Multiple studies. Repeat studies. Broader studies. All research is supposed to do is prove or disprove a hypothesis, and this guy is sitting here saying he's run a few studies and he KNOWS THE ANSWER when there are 80 other studies within easy reach of the public that say otherwise. This guy's a charlatan.
@danak2230
@danak2230 Ай бұрын
Excellent interview! Bravo to Dr. Fryer for holding the line on rigorous academics.
@andrealexander6077
@andrealexander6077 Ай бұрын
Finally 👍🏽 Mr. Freyer
@togsikmale5625
@togsikmale5625 Ай бұрын
Brilliant interview! The humor on both sides makes it wonderfully entertaining. And it’s really refreshing to hear an academic say „I don’t know“ when he doesn’t know. The next Thomas Sowell?
@mpkearne
@mpkearne Ай бұрын
People don’t want to hear the truth. They want to hear their truth.
@PoliticalSins
@PoliticalSins Ай бұрын
Something I hear in professional investigations around disasters from meltdowns to plane crashes is, “Investigate with the intent to understand, not to get someone fired.” It’s a beautiful way to describe the need to understand what really happened to assure the necessary changes are made to assure something changes.
@hvalenti
@hvalenti Ай бұрын
Good to remember Fryer's study published in 2017. I'd bet that, since then, overall police interactions with blacks have become less aggressive whilst blacks have gotten more entitled and aggressive with police.
@sue3032
@sue3032 Ай бұрын
And each other because of zero consequences.
@Woodland-Gangsta
@Woodland-Gangsta Ай бұрын
Awesome
@jayjaydubful
@jayjaydubful Ай бұрын
It would be great to repeat the study
@pointermom7641
@pointermom7641 Ай бұрын
I think you are right. I have watched a number of police body cam videos on KZfaq which support your thesis
@Lamedvavnik
@Lamedvavnik Ай бұрын
@@pointermom7641did you listen to the podcast? Small anecdotal evidence doesn’t count for much.
@sarabadara
@sarabadara Ай бұрын
He should be the president of Harvard
@janew2108
@janew2108 Ай бұрын
This is an exceptional man.
@kilroy1964
@kilroy1964 Ай бұрын
Yes. But this is an unfortunate fact. All academics should be like him.
@TheGhost204
@TheGhost204 Ай бұрын
Guys like Roland help restore my faith in humanity.
@esterbengoa6077
@esterbengoa6077 Ай бұрын
Education, not just academia. Learning a trade is really important too. Learning more than studying.
@dianaroach3093
@dianaroach3093 Ай бұрын
Yes. The world needs plumbers, construction workers, mailman, etc. Why is there a class for women studies? What type of job calls for that degree?
@jonnyutsa1
@jonnyutsa1 Ай бұрын
Great conversation
@summerswan3872
@summerswan3872 Ай бұрын
Thank you for being so brave.
@Orson2u
@Orson2u Ай бұрын
Courage is the rarest - yet most essential - of virtues. YES, Prof Freyer.
@sportysbusiness
@sportysbusiness Ай бұрын
"It's easier to fool people than convince them they've been fooled." We are seeing this time and time again in all areas of society. The best thing that ever happened to me was getting rid of my TV 15 years ago. It's amazing how your views change and life improves when you don't listen to propaganda.
@squibbelsmcjohnson
@squibbelsmcjohnson 28 күн бұрын
Lmao tv isn't even where that's at now, its here, its social media, its the internet
@sportysbusiness
@sportysbusiness 28 күн бұрын
@@squibbelsmcjohnson Agree, but because I got rid of my TV so long ago, and have been watching social media since the beginning, long before it was censored, I'm in that fortunate position to find it easier to spot lies from truth and able to choose what I watch and who I listen to.
@nunyabidness674
@nunyabidness674 23 күн бұрын
The easiest way to control a population is create a religion. L ron Hubbard, founder of scientology
@thelashnailcompany4384
@thelashnailcompany4384 Ай бұрын
Not only an extremely brave and intelligent guy, but has a great sense of humour 👌 ❤
@cedyanlee666
@cedyanlee666 25 күн бұрын
Cops scared pulling people over at Texas is just so damn funny to me..but at the same time I fully understand why..
@JamesSmith-io8sz
@JamesSmith-io8sz Ай бұрын
This sounds like a new Thomas Sowell has been born
@jimland7176
@jimland7176 Ай бұрын
Maybe, but he is clearly more liberal than Sowell. Even when Sowell was on Friedman's show in the 80s he was very conservative even then. Not that its necessarily a bad thing.
@TimPool.BeanieCivilWarlord
@TimPool.BeanieCivilWarlord Ай бұрын
@@jimland7176in their early years, Thomas Sowell was a self-avowed Marxist and Clarence Thomas was a member of the Black Panthers.
@elleanna5869
@elleanna5869 Ай бұрын
Sowell is a former Marxist and when Marxists go disenchanted with Marxism they go ultra conservative/ liberism that even Adam Smith would rise again to tell them: cool down bro. It happened almost in every country. Yet Sowell retained from Marxism a proper study of history as heavily influenced by economy-which is usually correct (ultimate "follow the money"). This man looks like someone that can't adhere to a narrative if it's baseless. I studied 6 months in the US, a costy University high in prestige , I was one of the African guests together with European youth - we all could properly read a stat and cross data. Nobody - I mean nobody, not even professors - could. We weren't allowed to say "beyond the narratives of white privilege numbers and records say that police abuse and prison happen mainly to poor people and absolute majority poor white in the US, and poor black people. Disproportion in communities is tied to income more than ethnicity" Oh my we were almost banned and someone tried to re educate as victims of colonialism because math is white🙄 don't blame us if we all run back to our universities in Africa and Europe.Social studies are just too complicated in the US lately 😑
@rogerward801
@rogerward801 Ай бұрын
​@jimland7176 There's a good liberal and bad liberal. Bad just goes with the new thing regardless of study/research. Good liberal makes decisions that are sound
@skippy6086
@skippy6086 Ай бұрын
A big division in America lies between honest people and dishonest people.
@rbarnes4076
@rbarnes4076 Ай бұрын
First.. agreed. Second, that problem is not isolated to the USA.. the entire world has that problem.
@teamcoalhapcharcoal
@teamcoalhapcharcoal 25 күн бұрын
That's just meaningless. You can be perfectly honest about your desire to exploit and manipulate and still have a negative effect. For example 'F the police! I don't give a F! I deal drugs!' is perfectly honest and probably not the sort of behaviour you want lol
@KingNiros
@KingNiros 29 күн бұрын
I wish I could shake this man's hand. Honesty is the only way to get things on the right track.
@SnakeWasRight
@SnakeWasRight 29 күн бұрын
We are literally at a point in history where we are seriously considering THOUGHT insurance.
@GregorPQ
@GregorPQ Ай бұрын
A really great man. He acts on facts against his own beliefs.
@rbarnes4076
@rbarnes4076 Ай бұрын
A scientist has to have extreme curiosity and at the same time the detachment of a good jurist who weighs evidence regardless of where the conclusions lead. A remarkably small number of scientists are actually like that (I've met QUITE a few). And yes.. I've uniformly found people like this to be great men.
@GregorPQ
@GregorPQ Ай бұрын
@@rbarnes4076 Exactly.
@philmulrooney7020
@philmulrooney7020 Ай бұрын
And truth will set you free
@thorinhannahs4614
@thorinhannahs4614 Ай бұрын
Work will set you free.
@rocketgroot4311
@rocketgroot4311 25 күн бұрын
*Universities the place where you'd think Facts are More important than Feelings*
@Puckpenn
@Puckpenn 26 күн бұрын
Roland for president
@brentsumpter3604
@brentsumpter3604 20 күн бұрын
Let's not go crazy here. There was no way to spin this in they're favor.
@JustTheFlecks
@JustTheFlecks Ай бұрын
Roland Fryer: “I’m going to find something about this and people are going to like me!” 😂 I like that he went in looking for the truth, and stayed with it rather than bending to political will.
@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid
@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid Ай бұрын
Or his own historical biased narrative so prevalent in his community by race
@heidimills2226
@heidimills2226 Ай бұрын
His actual rational was: “ I can help by providing proof through data” and reality was a lot more complex and less convenient for the entire culture.
@stephenskinner3851
@stephenskinner3851 Ай бұрын
A real professor? An actual intelligent professor.
@mikeyeah17
@mikeyeah17 Ай бұрын
I used to go to see concerts in Camden, NJ. I clearly remember wanting to get as far away as I could from that city each time a concert ended
@TheFus
@TheFus 24 күн бұрын
This interview was amazing. Thank you to everyone who was involved in making it happen.
@rosemaryalles6043
@rosemaryalles6043 Ай бұрын
Roland Fryer. The real deal. *Loved* this conversation, packed full of gems. His words about a *North Star* were both inspiring and poignant. Terribly Frustrating that we (Americans) can't seem to get this right.
@enshrinehd
@enshrinehd Ай бұрын
I am so SO happy to see Roland Fryer out and about. I remember when he first brought his research to light and it was a hopeful time. Now is really the time. The unreasonable voices had to massively fail in order to clear the stage for Dr. Fryer
@emptee2520
@emptee2520 Ай бұрын
Much respect, Dr. Fryer. Keep fighting the good fight for true academic freedom and speaking truth to power (even when the power is the Administration)
@Judgement24
@Judgement24 Ай бұрын
What a man of respect and integrity. Love him!! May God bless him and make his path prosperous.
@DMPhil
@DMPhil Ай бұрын
Dr. Fryer, you are very inspiring! The world needs more leaders and professors like you. I LOVED this episode. Thank you, guys.
@markbisson6166
@markbisson6166 Ай бұрын
People threatened him over this? “Black people aren’t violent, and I’m going to prove that by threatening you with violence.”
@stevenw5013
@stevenw5013 Ай бұрын
An academic who actually follows the facts to find the truth. Shouldn't be as remarkable as it is!
@henryjumbohead5391
@henryjumbohead5391 29 күн бұрын
Roland is a brave guy. “Do justice and let the skies fall” comes to mind regarding his study.
@bradbowers4414
@bradbowers4414 Ай бұрын
Thank you to Dr. Fryer for his good work and willingness to change opinion. My father was a dedicated cop for 18 years and always said to look at the statistics.
@RedScare360
@RedScare360 Ай бұрын
Let me state the obvious: We need more Roland Fryers in the world, especially the academic world.
@nighthawk2174
@nighthawk2174 28 күн бұрын
I'm glad at least some people like Roland still exist, people driven by data and willing to change based on that.
@user-ho5bi7zv4c
@user-ho5bi7zv4c 27 күн бұрын
Has he ever appeared on The View? If not, that would be the only episode of The View I’d watch in its entirety
@shelleyscloud3651
@shelleyscloud3651 Ай бұрын
This’ll be awesome! Roland is a top TOP man!
@robertmarshall2502
@robertmarshall2502 Ай бұрын
It's so refreshing to hear someone say, I don't know. This was a proper good faith conversation. Could have listened for hours. This is what academia should be about. The pursuit of truth.
@simonnordon8421
@simonnordon8421 20 күн бұрын
Respect to a real researcher. In Science you're meant to hold the truth above all else, including conclusions to hypothesis' you didn't want to see.
@billparry7058
@billparry7058 29 күн бұрын
An educator willing to be educated. What a refreshing concept bravo Sir👏
@maxbean8781
@maxbean8781 Ай бұрын
An honest, brave, learned man in search of and speaking to the actual truth as he finds it. Despite the threats. That’s a genuine, admirable man.
@bydefault7795
@bydefault7795 Ай бұрын
Truth is like poetry and most people hate poetry.
@chrisunguez
@chrisunguez Ай бұрын
Drink in a lot of D.C. bars, do you? ;)
@notloki3377
@notloki3377 Ай бұрын
LMAO I bet you thought you sounded really smart saying that dumbass shit.
@bydefault7795
@bydefault7795 Ай бұрын
@@chrisunguez Bingo!!
@sinesaii
@sinesaii Ай бұрын
No, they simply prefer to call it Rap or Country music. We listen to more poetry than any people who have come before us.
@notloki3377
@notloki3377 Ай бұрын
@@sinesaii yeah, when people are studying the great poets of the 20th century, theyll read cardi B and the island bois to their students.
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