Trimester 1: Pregnancy with an ED history // Avoiding relapse

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Megsy Recovery

Megsy Recovery

4 жыл бұрын

Pregnancy can be quite a triggering time with an history of an ED. Body changes, weight gain, sickness, tiredness, hormone changes... This video is about my experience during trimester 1, and how I've tried to navigate these changes so that I can have a healthy pregnancy, healthy baby, and avoid relapsing into the illness.
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@h_2503
@h_2503 4 жыл бұрын
This content is so important even for those of us who are not pregnant - there will likely be many points in our lives when we are sick or unable to have the foods we usually have etc. In those scenarios we must be strong and not allow the anorexia to sneak back in and for fears to reappear. Thank you Meg.
@megsyrecovery191
@megsyrecovery191 4 жыл бұрын
TOTALLY agree!!!! I was hoping the content might be applicable for any "triggering" situation in life xxxx
@h_2503
@h_2503 4 жыл бұрын
@@megsyrecovery191 you hit the nail on the head as it absolutely is! x
@thatgirlfromwales
@thatgirlfromwales 4 жыл бұрын
If you feel comfortable sharing it, I would love to hear you talk about how you first told Brendan about your eating disorder and how you talked about your relapse when you realised you needed help again. As someone who is hoping to be in a relationship when I am a bit healthier, it is something I have some anxiety around! Obviously I understand that that is a very personal thing, so completely understand if it's not something you want to share!
@megsyrecovery191
@megsyrecovery191 4 жыл бұрын
I will do this, lots of people ask for it, it'll just take more thinking about than my normal videos do, so I'll need to have time. I'll ask for questions on Insta before I do it xxx
@loreng3187
@loreng3187 4 жыл бұрын
Yes please Megs! I always worry about my boyfriend leaving me due to him getting fed up with waiting & waiting for me to fully recover. He’s patient and amazing but I’m so insecure about the relationship and that one day he’ll just dump me.
@loreng3187
@loreng3187 4 жыл бұрын
Megsy Recovery thank you
@thatgirlfromwales
@thatgirlfromwales 4 жыл бұрын
@@megsyrecovery191 Thank you so much Meg! You're so generous with how you share your journey and experiences
@harmonyhope1709
@harmonyhope1709 4 жыл бұрын
Wow Meg you never fail to astound me. You are smashing this despite all of the adversity. Pregnancy must be quite destabilising but you seem to be one step ahead of the game.... Not allowing the anorexia to work its way back in must be so tough when you're being sick, your body is changing, stupid comments from other people 🙄 and just the irrational thoughts anorexia throws at you!!!! It sounds like your pregnancy has been difficult so far but hopefully the rest of it will be much better for you!!!!! (bless you) so glad you have the support of your psychologist and dietician (and Brendan of course) as it must be really, really tough. So proud of you and am looking forward to seeing the journey of your pregnancy!!! Awww that scan is so adorable!!! Aww a little life, that is what this is all about. Not fears of food or body size. A baby, a little amazing life form who you have worked so hard for and created and now incubating, just take care of yourself and your little baby ❤️❤️❤️ Haha, I do remember your neat cupboard and packet opening obsession, especially when Brendan opened packets so messily so you had your own packets!! 😂😂😂 Awww you have come so far!! 😘😘😘😘
@megsyrecovery191
@megsyrecovery191 4 жыл бұрын
Hahahahaha oh my god, separate packets. That's so bad to think. So glad that is behind!! And thanks, it's getting much easier now I feel better, and I guess there will be all sorts of challenges and triggers in life. This is definitely showing me how important it is to be totally vigilant about never letting it back in xxx
@ritaconte9055
@ritaconte9055 4 жыл бұрын
When Bren said “Makes my Heart ❤️Sore” Makes us all sore Meg..... Amazing you are, so much happiness for you all.... Never Ever Ever, Ever going Back, Ever Ever....!!!!!! 🤰🙎‍♂️😹😹🐶 😘
@megsyrecovery191
@megsyrecovery191 4 жыл бұрын
Isn't that the cutest thing ever. He's so lovely!!! Thanks pal xxxx
@goosegirl3424
@goosegirl3424 4 жыл бұрын
What?!?!?! How on earth can anyone call you fat?!? It seems crazy. These kind of comments are so grrrr! I returned to Bristol after a few months of making real progress with my weight and when I visited the green grocer the lady who I used to see me exclamed 'you look beefier'. This was the most triggering comment for me, due to my particular body paranoia (being stocky /masculine/having a strange, alien shape). I'm ashamed to say now that I was really distressed by her comment and i frustratingly was not far enough in my recovery to not let it send me back into a relapse. So regret all that hard work that was undone by my stupid fears and feelings. You're really helping me continue this time despite comments. I feel so much for you, it seems pregnancy invites even more things to throw you off course. You're doing so incredibly, you are beautiful. Bren melts my heart for his love for you and the baby. Love and yey for you, baby and Bren and bones!!!! Xxxxxx
@KourttneyL
@KourttneyL 4 жыл бұрын
You should have walked out of the salon if a worker called you fat. THAT IS MESSED UP.
@user-fw5wb4rt2n
@user-fw5wb4rt2n 4 жыл бұрын
Even though I am not pregnant, I would love a pregnancy pillow! 😍 It might just as well be an ED recovery pillow, right?! 😂
@megsyrecovery191
@megsyrecovery191 4 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha everyone should own one, they're amazing!
@TheLittlealice16
@TheLittlealice16 4 жыл бұрын
Ahhh Meg this is so helpful! Its something I worry about a lot so Ive already bookmarked this video for future reference🤰 Thank you for sharing this journey with us 💕 Your little bean is so lucky to have someone as insightful, empathetic and wise, with an absolute BUCKETLOAD of life experience to boot, as a mum.
@megsyrecovery191
@megsyrecovery191 4 жыл бұрын
Awww I'm glad, I'll do one for each trimester. Thank you xxxxx
@Plantje1999
@Plantje1999 4 жыл бұрын
The woman called you fat.. Why? Thats so mean like even if you think it, you don't have to say it out loud..
@chiafairy7091
@chiafairy7091 4 жыл бұрын
In Japan (I know she's not in Japan) it's much more normal for people to comment on your weight. My japanese boss once asked me if i gained weight after a trip like it's normal conversation. 🤷‍♀️ It is what it is in some cultures.
@ginaneidlinger8262
@ginaneidlinger8262 4 жыл бұрын
Haven’t even watched the video yet, but wanted to say thank you!! I started my recovery a year ago and your videos have helped SO much! I’m so excited for you and Bren to become parents!!
@megsyrecovery191
@megsyrecovery191 4 жыл бұрын
Aww thank you xxxx
@margaretstephens5770
@margaretstephens5770 4 жыл бұрын
Meg, a fellow Meg here- I had extreme morning sickness ie all day nausea five months straight with each child (this was a while bsck!) including brief hospitalization for de hydration. I learned as u are the key was to keep eating , in my case very very frequent smsll snacks that went in cycles, but thin cheese n crackers n grapes helped at one point, at another, cereal bars, n with one pregnancy I found that a smsll McDonald’s hamburger was what the body wanted-- n I’d been vegetarian for fifteen years! Protein seemed to be settling, n salty stuff, n sweet anything was bad news (n I’ve always had a sweet tooth! ) my poor spouse:: I coukd smell water boiling, n got Ill.....stores , forget it: I coukd smell the spoiled whatever in the back of the display cases! My doctor brother said hyper smell in pregnancy would have been a survival thing back in the ancient days, a pregnant mom would know what not to eat. But it was a terrible trial.... that also eased up by third trimester. All to say, keep eating! You’re doing such a great job taking care of the baby body! That is bar none the most important thing you are doing : every thing else can slide! Lots of love to u n the growing family 💕
@chrissy_south75
@chrissy_south75 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for taking the time to share this with us Meg 😍😘
@dianab9000
@dianab9000 4 жыл бұрын
Dear Meg, such a lovely, insightful video! I think you’re amazing. I found my two pregnancies hard-going at many points but also wonderful at the same time. I felt like my body was definitely in charge. It was very freeing. I hope the remainder of your pregnancy goes really well. You’re incredibly strong and you will be a fabulous mother. I’m so glad you have Bren’s love and support. Thank you for sharing your experiences. I think they’re very relevant at whatever stage of life. Self-care is so important. Sending you lots of love & hugs, D xx 🌻💕
@randiewolfgang6154
@randiewolfgang6154 8 ай бұрын
I'm not even planning on trying for a baby for several years, but I'm curious to learn more about it in advance. You know, just so that I won't have to learn everything in a panic during those nine months. This is exactly the kind of video I was looking for. I just know that pregnancy will affect my recovery and the things you talk about in this video are things I'll keep in mind. Thank you. 😊❤
@amysafko8817
@amysafko8817 4 жыл бұрын
Wish I had you when I was having my children. I struggled throughout all three. You are providing a much needed voice to those in recovery who are at this stage. And I really related to the parts about feeling sick for reasons other than pregnancy...the flu is what really knocked me down a year ago and it amazed me how fast I went from pretty solid in my recovery journey to relapse. Thanks for sharing.
@Joelina456
@Joelina456 4 жыл бұрын
This is such important content because I too will be pregnant one day and be postpartum etc so it helps to see you as an example and how you manage dealing with these „changing times“. Giving me hope that I will be able to as well.
@MadisonTiahn
@MadisonTiahn 4 жыл бұрын
You give so many people hope. Thank you. So proud of you my love. X
@finnbycraft2051
@finnbycraft2051 4 жыл бұрын
aw congratulations!! really happy for you! 💕
@lenakursawe592
@lenakursawe592 4 жыл бұрын
What an amazing person 😢 You will be a great mom. I'm so sure about that
@brooklynbeyer2054
@brooklynbeyer2054 4 жыл бұрын
Wohoo! I’m so happy you’re pregnant 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 I’m sorry you’re feeling so sick 😞😞 I love that you’re documenting your pregnancy 😇
@megsyrecovery191
@megsyrecovery191 4 жыл бұрын
Thankfully feeling better now that I'm in Trimester 3. Thank you xxx
@karink2297
@karink2297 4 жыл бұрын
Your videos are truly inspiring and I wish you and your little family all the best!!
@megsyrecovery191
@megsyrecovery191 4 жыл бұрын
Karin K awww thank you 😘😘
@friendoftherese1
@friendoftherese1 4 жыл бұрын
It's funny, but when I was pregnant, my ed essentially disappeared. I loved my basketball tummy and never worried a minute about gaining weight. It was a real blessing. I did relapse many years after I had children, but I still remember the freedom I felt being free of all eating disordered thoughts and actions while being pregnant. In fact, at one point, my doctor told me I was gaining too much weight in one month, and I just thought "Eh, who cares. I'm eating and I'm happy, and it will all even out." I wasn't affected at all by that comment! I hope and pray that as your pregnancy advances, you experience this same freedom, and that it lasts after the baby is born!!
@megsyrecovery191
@megsyrecovery191 4 жыл бұрын
I was actually completely expecting this to be my experience, and was so shocked when I still had some ED thoughts. But I guess it is what it is, and most important is to not give into them and keep choosing healthy actions even after the baby is born. I mean the baby can't "justify" eating, because it's not going to be in there forever. It's good you can remember that freedom and how good it felt. I hold onto memories of times like that and it helps me remember what I want my life to be! Lots of love xxxx
@theimprobableone8635
@theimprobableone8635 3 жыл бұрын
Four months pregnant here, history of eating disorders. I’m glad I found your channel, this video really helps. Even you talking about how restricting a food because it makes you sick can lead to disordered thinking was like a wake up call for me, and I’m just going through in my head the foods I don’t eat now because of nausea and making sure that’s the only reason.
@megsyrecovery191
@megsyrecovery191 3 жыл бұрын
Congratulations! Make sure as soon as you can add those foods back in you do (even if it’s hard) xxx
@genevieveasseo6620
@genevieveasseo6620 4 жыл бұрын
I don't want to inundate you with comments on every one of your videos, but I watch them every week and relate more than I can explain. I'm 49 with no kids and not disappointed I haven't had kids, but it's so amazing to me to learn that even in pregnancy, one can still have ED thoughts and must consciously remember to continue recovery; I'm sure I would too to be honest. And I can't tell you how much admiration I have for you as you continue to remind yourself and stay 'aware' all the time, especially now during pregnancy. "Awareness" is one of the most admirable qualities IMO. I nearly got tears in my eyes when you announced your pregnancy a few videos ago because of your special 'mantra'. You will be an amazing mother. And as long as you have ED videos to share, I will be watching. Thank you for your inspiration, always!
@megsyrecovery191
@megsyrecovery191 4 жыл бұрын
I was so surprised to still have ED thoughts, I thought pregnancy would totally get rid of them. But in a way I think a baby can't "justify" what you're doing, I still need to be choosing to stay well just because that's what I'm doing. And you comment away :-) I love the comments. lots of love xxxxx
@Joelina456
@Joelina456 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!💌😘😍 This is my FAVE video of you. You are so inspiring. Best for you and the baby
@megsyrecovery191
@megsyrecovery191 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you xxxxx
@christabelmilner5818
@christabelmilner5818 4 жыл бұрын
Loved this video. Such a bad day today and watching your video has been amazing xx
@megsyrecovery191
@megsyrecovery191 4 жыл бұрын
Awww bless you, hope it passes (it will) and you feel better xxx
@xXdanielle1998xX
@xXdanielle1998xX 3 жыл бұрын
Oh gosh this video is so important! I was diagnosed anorexic at about 17 I think it was, and have had relapses on and off since then. I’m 23 just, and pregnant with my 2nd baby. With my first, I was lucky I escaped a relapse, but after birth I relapsed and became very skinny again. Second pregnancy, unfortunately my anorexia caused a loss. This pregnancy I’ve tried so hard everyday is a fight to keep your baby healthy by keeping yourself healthy and it gets so overlooked by doctors and professionals and everybody to be honest 🥺 x
@zoemma7665
@zoemma7665 4 жыл бұрын
When I was pregnant with my first child, I developed anorexia, and have since gone through another pregnancy while still having anorexia. This is a very important video, thanks for sharing.
@megsyrecovery191
@megsyrecovery191 4 жыл бұрын
Z C did you develop it during the pregnancy with no history of it? (If that’s not too personal to ask) 😘
@zoemma7665
@zoemma7665 4 жыл бұрын
@@megsyrecovery191 yes, I also had severe depression prenatally and postnatally x
@imia6459
@imia6459 4 жыл бұрын
😍😍😍😍😍 I’m so happy for you !
@laurarm9978
@laurarm9978 4 жыл бұрын
Im currently pregnant and have had a bad history with Bulimia and Anorexia. It’s hard to see my body change. I’m trying now for my baby but it’s really hard
@makayladay7938
@makayladay7938 4 жыл бұрын
Your hubby is super understanding and supportive. ❤️👍👍👍👍🤗
@megsyrecovery191
@megsyrecovery191 4 жыл бұрын
He's amazing!!!
@claire-ui9fh
@claire-ui9fh 4 жыл бұрын
You're such a champion !!
@kmoy
@kmoy 4 жыл бұрын
You guys are so cute with the Advent Calendar. Loved Bren's idea to take it with you on holiday! :) You're doing great. Thanks for the update. Baby is so cute. Thanks for sharing with us. Does it feel weird to be sharing with strangers? :)
@TheTaylan1993
@TheTaylan1993 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for sharing all this. Be well
@natashasouthwell5594
@natashasouthwell5594 4 жыл бұрын
This was a fantastic video!
@yourmydreamnow
@yourmydreamnow 4 жыл бұрын
You're so inspiring !!!
@elisabethhenssler8706
@elisabethhenssler8706 4 жыл бұрын
Proud of you!
@MsTammiP
@MsTammiP 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this.
@leab559
@leab559 4 жыл бұрын
Well I feel like a heel because I’d asked you about peanut butter a few weeks before the big announcement and now I understand!! (Mostly because I am still obsessed and was scared it would disappear from me and was nervous at the time that it had for you). You are doing so brilliantly- you and Bren are going to be in the best position to educate your darling little one in food and body confidence - which is something I am struggling with as I recover in front of my kiddos aged between 13 and 23.
@megsyrecovery191
@megsyrecovery191 4 жыл бұрын
Lea B ahhhh I remember. I think you actually asked it about the time i was starting to have it again, but I obviously couldn’t say that 😂 the good news is I really don’t feel obsessed with it now, but I think I would have done if I’d started actively cutting it out. I’ve really found that as long as my body gets stuff, it doesn’t crave it. It just took me a few months of obsession with PB to get there!
@marengray646
@marengray646 4 жыл бұрын
Who would call you fat😵u are beautiful and u have achieved the exact thing im working towards🙌😍so happy for u
@shanaleereimer6076
@shanaleereimer6076 4 жыл бұрын
Are you willing to share your roasted cauliflower curry recipe Meg? Sounds amazing!
@sjuno7156
@sjuno7156 4 жыл бұрын
Beautiful baby 🌻
@bumpybackroads1581
@bumpybackroads1581 4 жыл бұрын
How did you respond to the nail tech? Did you educate her so she can respond better to the next person? Let her know that she shouldn’t comment on anyone’s weight because they could have a history of struggling with eating disorder(s) and finally have recovered and her comment trigger a relapse or they could be pregnant. We cannot do better if we don’t know better.
@megsyrecovery191
@megsyrecovery191 4 жыл бұрын
No I didn't, because she was actually trying to be nice in how she said it. She's from the Philippines, and all the staff in that place talk about weight a lot, but culturally for them it seems to be different. She said it to me after I told her I was pregnant and she said she could tell because I had gotten fat in my face and put weight on all over my body.... But I think she was actually complimenting me. This is what should happen in pregnancy, and the staff there seem to comment on weight in a much more observational (and less judgemental) way than we might interpret it as. So I kind of tried to focus more on my interpretation than her comment.... Agree though, it could be difficult when she makes the comment to people with issues who won't interpret it the way she intended
@jasminecardiff9415
@jasminecardiff9415 4 жыл бұрын
This isn't pregnancy related, but I was just wondering if you ever experience flashbacks from when you were really poorly and consumed by ED? I sometimes find myself thrown back to when I was really ill, and I then feel scared, guilty and sometimes even tempted back? I've never heard anyone talk about this before and am not sure if it's normal? Lots of love xx
@christabelmilner5818
@christabelmilner5818 4 жыл бұрын
Can u do a video on making food worth it. I have been struggling recently with only eating food so that I can go to school or if my day is really boring then I won’t eat. Don’t know what to do atm and it’s making me really depressed x
@amymclellan583
@amymclellan583 4 жыл бұрын
Love the book of mormon reference ;)
@1journal2catstea39
@1journal2catstea39 4 жыл бұрын
Congratulations 😊
@megsyrecovery191
@megsyrecovery191 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!
@DOdO-_
@DOdO-_ 4 жыл бұрын
When I see the prices in the restaurants where you go, it looks so expensive, everytime I am surprised but then I realise oh but it's just a different money in your country 😄. Anyway, I wish you a nice pregnancy and Im eager to see the next videos. 😘
@megsyrecovery191
@megsyrecovery191 4 жыл бұрын
Dominique L. Hahaha to be honest it is still quite expensive out here! Thank you 😘
@christabelmilner5818
@christabelmilner5818 4 жыл бұрын
On also could u do a video on looking at calories and fat and sugar and all that shit. And how u got over that more and I get so upset seeing my friends able 2 eat whatever they want without caring about calories or at least not knowing what they r on every1 single piece of food. I feel like I cannot get out of this cycle of picking the lowest calorie foods xx
@guardiansanimalrescuestate7289
@guardiansanimalrescuestate7289 4 жыл бұрын
I actually doubled my weight with my first pregnancy. For once I was eating to take care of another life, as I never have eaten or cared for myself. I ate foods that I've not allowed myself in years and went way huge overboard. Then I got unhealthy afterwards again to lose the weight quickly. Which I lost it super fast, but not in a good way. U seem to be in a much better place mentally and physically then I was. Take care and can't wait to meet the little one.
@megsyrecovery191
@megsyrecovery191 4 жыл бұрын
I can really see how that could happen, and there is no awareness out there of the struggles of pregnancy with an ED to be honest!! Doctors don't really know anything, so you're left trying to navigate this mental experience on your own!! Hope you're doing well now xxxx
@shoeboxenterpriseslinda3151
@shoeboxenterpriseslinda3151 4 жыл бұрын
@@megsyrecovery191 my obstetrician was fantastic during my 2.5 pregnancies, including asking me about my Ed thoughts and habits and having an in-clinic dietician for my last pregnancy to check myself and other mummas were taking care of themselves. Hopefully other mummas with Ed history can also obtain similar help. Made a very big difference, though it can be a battle once you've had baby and that support disappears - I ought to have arranged a post-partum dietician!
@spottedbybarbie
@spottedbybarbie 4 жыл бұрын
Im doing fertility treatment and im on my 3rd time of iui and i still vomits from time to time. I dont know of the medicine is the one causing me to increase my appetite and so i will binge and once i do its like my mind is on its own that you cant stop eating until you purge. Im afraid that if i get pregnant and i get pregnancy cravings this will continue to happen:(
@kaitlinjohnson145
@kaitlinjohnson145 4 жыл бұрын
How do you keep going when you feel like you just can’t anymore?? 😔
@Hiirikettu
@Hiirikettu 4 жыл бұрын
That's interesting, in Finland ginger is on the forbidden foods list for pregnant women.
@gregoriomartinez7808
@gregoriomartinez7808 3 жыл бұрын
if you had an eating disorder at age 15 can u still be pregnant later on ?
@Plantje1999
@Plantje1999 4 жыл бұрын
Hey you're last video got blocked? 😕
@fibee8324
@fibee8324 4 жыл бұрын
Kitties had a hair cut
@annemarkstein6277
@annemarkstein6277 4 жыл бұрын
Drinking alcohol was a huge fear of mine through recovery. If that was something you struggled with is reintroducing alcohol post baby something you are worried about? if you don’t mind me asking! :)
@megsyrecovery191
@megsyrecovery191 4 жыл бұрын
One of the things I am most looking forward to is taking the baby to Cornwall, where I am from. We live right next to the beach and there is a pub in the middle of the sand. I want to sit there with with Bren, baby, Dad, and family, in the sun, with a cider (irresponsible parenting?!). It's one of my favorite places. I guess I worry a bit about the calories, because it's calories in fluid, "un-necessary", more than a gin and tonic, bla bla bla..... But it's also so so what I want to be able to do in life. I love a pint at the pub with my family, or glass of wine with friends, or drink before dinner when cooking with Bren. So I try and remember the life I want to ultimately live, and do it. Even if I get some niggles in the moment about calories... Calorie obsessions is definitely NOT the life I want to live!!
@selintuncs
@selintuncs 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, ı really scared gaining Weight because when ı tried ı really gaining so rapidly and it freaks me out. I know ı should gain and ı want it but how ı maintained it when ı reach my ideal weighy ıdk. Today ı am gonna try to give up measuring my weight for a week.(ı hope) with trying to gain weight. I am sooooo scared PLEASE HELP ME!!:))
@megsyrecovery191
@megsyrecovery191 4 жыл бұрын
lll kkk if you get to a weight your body is happy at then you won’t need to worry about how to maintain it. It just happens. It’s only when you try to maintain below your body’s happy weight that you have to restrict & control your food to maintain!
@selintuncs
@selintuncs 4 жыл бұрын
@@megsyrecovery191 Should ı force myself to gain or let myself to listen to my body, ı have no period and ı have Pcos :))(love uu)
@makayladay7938
@makayladay7938 4 жыл бұрын
Try eat thing have ginger . It might help. I hope you feel better.
@megsyrecovery191
@megsyrecovery191 4 жыл бұрын
I had lots of ginger, not sure it helped all that much (nothing did really), but I gave it a go xxx
@DOdO-_
@DOdO-_ 4 жыл бұрын
She shows a few ones in her video!
@rev.rachel
@rev.rachel 3 жыл бұрын
I usually get so bored and annoyed by food pictures and videos on social media. It's occurring to me with you fronting the food clips here that maybe I find them annoying because I don't like to be reminded of food when I have ARFID. I guess I should start very deliberately looking at food now...
@danielawalter8709
@danielawalter8709 4 жыл бұрын
Aaah, the Book Of Mormons! share the same humor
@makayladay7938
@makayladay7938 4 жыл бұрын
You baby 👶🏼 is adorable. I think you guys are having boy?
@kaaskaa201
@kaaskaa201 4 жыл бұрын
Whaaaaaat, why would she call you fat? Where did this unsolicited comment come from?
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