He responded to me when I left that comment and said "That's totally different because they advertised it as real and it wasn't"

@@BrodyCox I didn’t see the reply but that sounds like something he’d say. I kinda lost respect for him when he traded some kid an old shitbox bass that was barely playable for a rather nice Schecter Synyster Gates when it was clear the kid was young and naive didn’t know he was fixing to get burned but what can you do? So it doesn’t shock me that he defended this established titles thing until it was clear he wasn’t going to win.

@@taylorwerner384 I forgot about that one.

I remember that! It was an old cheap Kent bass that wasn’t worth more than $90 for a nice Schecter Synuster Gates thats in the $500-700 used I thinks he definitely swindled that kid for his trade Tuesday series

@@MrDream-zm1pw yea and the shit he had to do to make it slightly usable kinda made it feel like that bass would’ve never been 100% playable in its lifetime. But karmas a bitch because Trogs been burned multiple times since then.

He just wanted to phone home!

But he was hanging round kids though so parents might get the wrong idea

He's held a grudge against ET ever since a bunch of his Reese's Pieces turned up missing

Yeah Trogly goes full Karen if a guitar has even a minor imperfection.

🤣🤣🤣

Everyone knows Fender is better!

@@waycnf7229fenders suck balls, with their weak little single coils and tremolos that don't stay in tune. fenders are just for old people

I read somewhere he got a huge inheritance which is how/why he has the collection he does. He referenced working in a grocery store when he was younger a few times in his videos.

Yeah I've been watching him for like four or five years now and my opinions have changed over that time... At first I was like.... Ok dorky rich kid but loves guitars whatever... Then it evolved the first time I spoke to him about in a help session... I left that interaction with the feeling like... Seems nice enough but he isn't as SpongeBob soft as he seems... Not when it comes to money... And now I'm not sure at all... Like... There's some level of greasiness there is what it seems like... Like ya said... Can't quite nail it down but something not quite right... Homeschool vibes was what i though at first... Very sheltered etc... And that's a part of it but he's also got some thing else going on.... And make no mistakes... When it comes to cash he is cutthroat as they come.

He's exactly the type of person he's defending them of being. The idea that there's dumb people out there selling guitars cheap and he's not going to educate them when he can triple his money off them. I would never buy from him, since it's likely a guitar he convinced some nice old lady at a garage sale wasn't worth much because it's old, just to flip it for 2035 prices. It's like the guy with the little resale shop that always has a few terrible cars for sale for $3000 over value, that he payed $300 a piece for from people who were desperate. Wealth achieved through deception or feeds of the unfortunate isn't success, it's a loophole I wouldn't want on my conscience.

I remember a video where he said he makes 30k a year from his day job. This was from several years ago. If that's true, his "side hustle" or inheritance is what's paying the bills.

@@joeydurant6267 I’ve interacted with him also, and I completely agree that he is as cutthroat as anyone when it comes to his business. However, in the interaction I had with him he was very upfront with me, and told me that I would come out better not doing business with him. Those who choose to do business with him whether it is buying or selling are not being forced to do so.

Even "nice guys" need to make a living.

@@1982RJ Why do you youtube defenders always say "make a living". You realise youtubers who accept shady sponsorships like this arent "making a living" they're making a fortune. Big youtubers get paid tens of thousands per video sponsored, thats not making a "living". Thats rinsing as much money out of your audience as possible

@Robstrap You sound like a broke hater with that socialist mentality. It IS making a living and he has 3 children and a wife to support. It's a man's duty to give his family the best life possible. Your logic is flawed because you don't have to watch or purchase anything right? This attitude that because he makes good money its bad is ridiculous.

@@jski718 Wrong on all counts. Shocker. I’m all for making a good living at a profit, but not at the expense of morality and decency. Trogly’s pulled way too many shady deals to just be considered a good businessman. Wipe your chin, you’ve got some of Austin’s baby batter on it 😉

@@corneliuscrewe677 wasn't even talking to you, so I don't know what you're talking about.

It’s been my experience that, usually when someone resorts to the “sheep” ad hominem, their investment in the thing they’re arguing for has tainted their judgment.

"He needs to stick to guitars" Gibsons and Fenders at that, he doesn't seem to know much about anything else.

Thats what happens when a boy tries to play in the shark infested waters of business !!

@@Lomni haha "Trogly's Gibson Show (Feat. Some Fenders)"

You really thought you were buying land in Ireland?...lmfao!!!

It’s so obviously a scam

he didnt want to bite the hand that feeds him. huge lack of integrity. lets face facts though, anybody who couldnt see that the whole ET scheme was shady as hell, i have a bridge for sale to them!!!

I am paused at start assuming he was just gonna defend him. Not that I 100% condemn him. I don't think he has done anything that bad. Although I did find it hella weird how Trgly tried to make up his own definition for the word scam and state it as fact.

@@mcbrodz1663 If it's obviously a scam, then it's not a scam. Just saying.

@@zublacus 🤣🤣🤣🤣😀😀😀

This guy is like a used car salesman, except these aren't cars, they're more like a tool. So he's selling used tools to his fellow tradesman at a markup, and we're supposed to like him? I don't get how it's endearing or appealing to watch imo. I watched for a little bit during the pandemic, and then he bragged about the house he was moving into and it just rubbed me entirely the wrong way. I checked out his shop and heard some of the prices he paid compared to what they were on sale for and I was like dude... why would I ever pay that when you just said you got it for less than what you're selling it for? lmao. At that point I checked out and unsubbed. He just came across as "I dictate what you should pay for a used instrument" while he was getting rich off of it, and seeing as used guitar prices soared during the pandemic, I completely blame people like Trogly for inflating the prices on the used market. It's really no different than scalping GPU's, selling used cars, etc. Like other people said too, there was a scummy feeling to him, like he'd swindle an old lady out of her dead husbands guitar just to make a couple bucks and feature the guitar on the channel. Idk man. Bad vibes from him made me tune out, the bragging about his collection, house, etc while also still reselling guitars at a markup made me tune out. I mean, this guy isn't in this business because he's a musician or a guitar player, he's in it to take advantage of every deal he can possibly come across. I'm cool selling my shit to another musician and taking a hit knowing it's going to a loving home, rather than sell it to a markup man like him where it'll be shuffled around in peoples collection, unplayed. I'd rather support an enthusiastic musician, than a greedy businessman.

His whole channel seems like advertising guitars to try to get his "fans" to buy the guitars he features at inflated prices. I guess I can't blame him, but it just seems weaselly to me.

@@DudeMcGuybro ECG is selling a '65 Jaguar with a custom finish for $30k.

@@DudeMcGuybroI totally agree. How can everyone not realize all of this?

@@DudeMcGuybro "why would I ever pay that when you just said you got it for less than what you're selling it for" you do that everyday , that's how businesses make a profit.

100% Trigly is a GREEDY geek...lol

Lol what do you think EVERY business does?? Sell things at a loss or for no profit just to make childish dorks happy and not pay what somethings actually worth?

@@Ycjedi His business is making KZfaq videos not selling guitars, he will moan about people scalping guitars then do the exact same thing himself! For him to tell a viewer your guitar is worth $3500 then turn around and sell it for $5000 is dishonest and he sells himself as just another fan of guitars not a dealer who pays tax on his sales, nor does he sell enough to warrant it! So take your dumbass takes elsewhere!

@@S-T-E-V-E Yeah you are literally retarded and have no idea how a business, guitar store, or resale shop works. They aren't here just to make you happy dumb a**

@@Ycjedi Clearly there are a lot of people who have zero understanding of how businesses operate. I was in retail management for over 20 years. One of the first things I always asked new employees was “What do you think is the most profitable item we sell in our store?” It never failed every time their answer was one of the most expensive items in the store such as an electronics item (tv, video game console, etc). The actuality was that those items not only have a very small profit margin (usually 10% or less) but the store could days without selling those items. However, there were several items in the store that we sold for $1 where our cost was only 10-15 cents, and just about every customer who came into the store bought at least one those items. That being said the actual most profitable item we sold was our “protection plan” for the items that qualified for it. However, that was a very hard item to sell, because most people were smart enough to realize they didn’t need and most employees didn’t even bother to try to sell it anyway.

guy is a freakin GEEK...Lame ass is responsible for driving up prices on wall hangers

Exactly, he's a businessman. Also why i stopped watching his channel

Yeah, I stopped watching his videos after he went on a rant about how reissuing old guitars kills the resale value of the originals... like damn, maybe iconic guitars should be available to people who want to play them instead of being locked in some guy's basement?

I just find him extremely CREEPY, can't play guitar worth beans, drives up prices on already OVER priced Gibsons, takes apart guitars like a caveman and then doesn't technically know what he is talking about. and I should probably stay out of comment sections on all videos on KZfaq. there, I said it....

You hit it on the head. More than once he’s gleefully paid significantly below market value from people who didn’t know better and probably could have used the cash, and he brags about it. He’s a bad actor.

So you know absolutely nothing about the held value of these instruments. Mad at a dude because you dont have knowledge of the subject at hand? Sad and bad.

@@JerryLeeHowell2 truly pathetic, a real man would sell his children to sex traffickers for a Gibson of course. That’s sane.

The instruments are valuable because people have convinced themselves that old guitars are magic

Trogly is a glorified hoarder, you’re an idiot if you watch him.

Ditto

What exactly are you a fan of, I don't get it. He doesn't do anything or play anything

I like his show when he does the trade up thing and when he shows the interaction of buying somebody's cool guitar. I called his support of the Est. Titles scam like many did I'm sure, and I thought his explanation was a load of crap, he didn't have to say anything and shouldn't have defended them, a scam is a scam and this one was obvious. He just should have dropped them when audience began calling it out or before.

@@mpirron1 Agreed. Yeah, I'm also a fan of his "Trade Tuesday" series. I'm flabbergasted he was able to take some crappy effects pedals and eventually flip them for a Custom Shop guitar! Watching the actual trades and interactions was pretty interesting.

Pretty sure you indeed are misrepresenting here, He didn't know that the person was selling off his guitars and he only sent him more guitars because he got regular progress updates on his guitars being worked on. once those updates stopped he realized it was a scam.

he comes across as a very naive guy

He's one of the most naïve people I've seen on KZfaq.

He also just didn't give them back for years. And one of the guitars was also a scam. The man saying it is not a scam bought a fake guitar, getting scammed out of a lot of money, then proceeded to send the guitar to someone who also ended up being a scam. And is now claiming a scam is not a scam.

If I remember that video correctly one of the guitars he sent was a pricey silver burst Flying V

Like every reseller

He should've just done what most people have been recently "I got got, same as you, I regret partnering with them and will do better in the future" sort of shit. At the very least then he doesn't really stand out as a shitbag in the situation.

@@JosephSmith-lm4ri exactly. Him doubling down being too proud to admit he was grifting and flipping it and basically blaming his viewers if they bought into his grift is pure narcissism

Same, and were not the only ones.

Good to know.

That's interesting if true - didn't know that. Where did that actually come from ?

@@mordokch the youtuber Scott Schafer who exposed ET initially, posted a follow up video yesterday. Around the 25 second mark.

Everybody's taking credit for cutting ties with ET without explaining that the reality is ET suspended sponsored ads.

@@donttalktome4696 Just watched it. Cheers !

It's been public for a long time.

He was outted obviously this product is trash and they know it as they wouldnt buy it themselves it would be a waste of the money they get from the dumb kid audience

You're very uninformed...lmfao!

@@bryonkidder6199 why delete your reply?

@@J.C... I did not delete anything...lol

Troglys entire business is based on him driving up the prices of Gibson guitars. He's only harmless as a youtuber, but his kind serves only millionaire collectors

what's the tldr on stevie t?

@@maggyfrog yes, i'd like to know too. my google searching skills failed

@@maggyfrog check KDH’s video uploads.

I always hoped this busy-body nonsense would never come to guitar KZfaq but here we are.

And this guys a douche and somehow people like him

It’s cause if you want a demo and/or inspection of like any guitar he probably has one on his channel

Basically? Lol he totally is. I just watch him because he’s a Gibson guy and I live vicariously through him because I’ve never wanted a Gibson but I like watching people enjoy them.

I mean it's the same reason people watch Pawn Stars or like... American Pickers I guess. No one actually gives a shit about the bland ass hat showing you cool guitars, you just wanna look at cool guitars, and you have no social obligation to hang out with them afterwards. Yeah it's a deeply terrible scummy business, but I guess he's just scamming ass hats with too much money. Could be worse, ect.

You know if you give ET enough money you could get a promotion from Captain to Lord Obvious 😂

And the scam within a scam within a scam is the $7 they pocket from that extra money.

Scamception

need more info on this

He traded the kid a $350 bass for a guitar that sells used for $500.

@@SMITHII_ $50 bass, $1500 guitar in the shape it was in.

@@xerodelacroix5552 You can buy the guitar new for less than $1500. They sell for $500-$700 all day. The bass can be found anywhere from $150-$350 online. Your perceived value of the items doesn't reflect on real world prices. I'm not defending the guy, but you are making it bigger than it really was.

Yeah, it’s been blown up a bit. But he still clobbered the poor kid. 😂

Pretty much. His KZfaq channel is just his PR/Marketing department.

He's literally banned from directly buying some guitars because of this.

So much this. I swear I think he's responsible for flipping almost 10 of the Adam Jones signature guitars himself.

The flipping phenomenon has always surprised me. Seems dependent on a very good economy and people having a lot of money for totally discretionary spending.

@@onesandzeros There will always be dentists and lawyers.

No, he's not just in it for the money. He obviously loves guitars he obviously loves Gibson's. And he is a wealth of information. He blew it with this scam but hopefully he'll stay on track now.

As an Irish person living near one of our Tourist Traps here in Ireland, I wholeheartedly agree! Americans, partly due to a deplorable education system and lack of "streetwise", are the most gullible people on the planet. But, thank you so much for buying plastic leprechauns ( that don't exist), fridge magnets with saying that we never, ever, ever say, and recipe books containing " traditional Irish dishes" that we never, ever, ever eat. Trust me. Nobody has ever, in the history of this state, eaten corned beef and cabbage. WTF? Who eats that rubbish?

If you are interested in a particular model it is good how he shows the neck shape and measurements and a few other things. But uhm beyond that……

Kinda just seems like a jealous dude to me ha

Brass _TAX._ Smh...

@@AnodyneHipsterInfluencer You're mistaken. The correct phrase is brass tacks.

@@AnodyneHipsterInfluencer no you're wrong here.

@@AnodyneHipsterInfluencer Dude, it’s brass tacks. It comes from a measuring reference where textiles and fabrics would be sold by the yard, and brass tacks would be laid out by the merchant and hammered on a counter at yard and half yard spacing. FFS...

That's just existence of many. Why hate one?

@@deathbydeviceable There is a difference between putting food on your table and a roof over your head and bullshitting people on the internet for nonsense titles. Now you could argue where this line is between struggling to survive and straight up theft and where fraud, shady programs, landlording, and bog standard capitalism fall on that scale. Given the money talked about Trogly likely isn't struggling for groceries.

@@alexisborden3191 people scam people out of money all the time, what makes this one guy different? Look at the crypto market for example, but you guys are like flies piling on to one turd cause it's the flavor of the week. "wE lIvE iN a SoCiEtY"

@@deathbydeviceable Okaaaay, I mean they're pieces of shit too, it is the flavor of the week because most people don't have the time or mental/emotional capacity to call out or otherwise affect change on every single issue. I mean that's just textbook whataboutism, claiming that one shitty behaviour is okay because tons of other people do it or are also shitty.

@@alexisborden3191 so weekly turd sandwiches are better than admitting everyone will rip you off chasing a bag? I mean, if you're dumb enough to trust anyone has your best interest I guess you deserve to be scammed

His library of videos can be quite useful for anyone looking up an old niche gibson model.

and it's normally guitars that he owns, or that he's trying to hype up.

You know what the really messed up thing is, is how much ET payed these creators per video to sponsor. In some cases upwards of $100,000 a video. So basically the creators had to be aware of how shady it was, yet the money was too good to turn down. These same creators would have advertised for Jeffrey Epstein if the money was right. It's a matter of how poorly these creators look at their audience, when they partner up to empty people's pockets. That's it.... regardless of how many bail on ET and walk back their support, the amount of payment they received from ET to "partner" up and take a nice cut of the scam, should follow these people off the platform.

Free country, but I need zero advice from trust-fund babies. They don't know shit about my life and I seriously doubt they have anything to add that will improve it.

I find the "just following the market values!" Line a little insidious because he positively influences said market values by reviewing guitars on his show and creating demand.

he is shady as heck.

It did - repeatedly

lol he lives in rural Ohio. His McMansion probably costs $300k.

Daddy's money. I still believe he is a Gibson employee somehow trying to change their image.

@@moisttowelette5353 pissed myself when they blew him out on the greeny🤣🤣 Actually on second thoughts I wish they'd sold him one the irony would have been even funnier. The prices he asks for those shite norlin turds.

@@mickeyknox9341 I've held this belief for a long time. I mean, in reality, if he really wanted to make even more money, he could deal in all kinds of vintage guitars, rather than his dogged fixation on Les Pauls, and nearly nothing else. And he says just enough critical things about Gibson to offer some plausible deniability to him being in bed with them. I wouldn't be surprised.

This has nothing to do with the content of your comment, but I'm just curious about why people talk the way they do these days. Why do you say "cringe" instead of cringey? Obviously you somewhat understand the difference between a verb and an adjective because you said "his ET defense video was too preachy and cringe" rather than "too preach and cringe." I just don't get why it's cool these days to leave off the "y" marker to signify the adjective form of cringe but not for other words in the same category.

@@throgwarhammer7162I may not be the best person to ask this question. English is my second language in a region where I barely encounter it. My understanding of English comes majoritarily from internet culture, therefore using cringe instead of cringey has been defined as the default usage in my brain. It may be wrong but "it really do be like that sometimes".

He got scammed once so you can't trust him to never be scammed again? He buys himself guitars every day I think he overall does a pretty good job. Except for this established titles nonsense.

@@216trixie I totally agree .

I'm not the biggest Trogly fan, but if you've seen even one of his videos you would know how ridiculous that is to say. The dude genuinely loves Gibson and historically original guitars.

@@somethingbllol

agreed

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Yup. I think you have summed this up right on the money. And I do watch and like Trogly. But there has always been a " from different worlds" vibe. I cant and wont fault people for coming up different. Your comment did a good job of connecting the dots as to why there is a disconnect. Thanks.

This right here.

hell yeah glad someone else smells the rich kid arrogance, they all think heir viewship are dumb and so it justifies the bs they try to sell - which they would never buy as they are not that dumb - right

I unsubbed from Music is Win ages ago. Can't stomach his ego any more. He just rubs me up the wrong way. Best guitar youtubers for people who aren't immature (in the worst way) are Robert Baker, Art of Guitar, Marty Music, Rick Beato, Ben from Crimson... Best objective take on the guitar world news is KDH. Don't need much more

It's not a modern movement, but if you're a younger musician than me, all the more power to you! The affordable instrument market throughout the decades would be an interesting video topic. Guitars were never as cheap as they became around 2018, but there were always affordable alternatives, like my 1976 Harmony Strat.

His voice goes right through me.

Yeah same i watch a lot of his shit just to get info on some guitars that i might find cool but im not subscribed to him for certain reasons There are definitely some strange things about that guy that i dont really like

He gives my very strong Todd Alquist vibes.

@@Rex-golf_player810 ted Bundy gets prison visits from trogly

You don’t legally become a Lord. That’s another part of the scam.

You mean he just didnt reply? He rarely replies to comments.

He reply to mine said "the video was meant for my daily audience, not the trolls of KZfaq" Clearly BS, but oh well

Museum lol! He's never gonna build a damn museum. He's not smart enough from getting scammed himself and losing thousands of dollars. He just brings that museum thing up to keep people watching.

@@Krullmatic He probably got scammed once, did a video about it then realised that "scam videos" when he's the victim, get great views. I don't think he's been scammed as often as he has scammed his viewers.

A museum of Gibson guitars without anything from the 50’s or 60’s 😂

@@Krullmatic he's going to build a humidified closet with his collection and call it a day

"Gives his fanboys ammo to defend him" dude you sound deluded. Seriously. get off the internet for a while and go learn to socialise. Trogly posts guitar vids. There were some issues about a sponsor and he said basically by the definition of what a scam is it is not a scam but it is overpriced for what is essentially a gag gift but he would reword it to avoid confusion. There is nothing unreasonable about any of that. It addresses the issue aand gives his opinion on it. To think he needs "defending" sounds like you have som ficticious list of transgression in your head that he supposedly committed. He posts guitar videos. he isnt scamming or ripping anyone off or misinforming people. if anything he is helping the community such as highlihghting the gibson belt buckle scam a lot of people were caugh out with, and several others. Like seriously....what is with the need to constantly have a "target"? Grow up

Totally agree

His fake hyuck hyuck makes me sick but he covers at least some cool guitars (when it isn't a Gibson so about 1% of the time)

There are plenty of retail workers who can afford expensive guitars. People have to learn how to be responsible with their money. You can’t progress in life (especially if you are operating your own business) until you escape the paycheck to paycheck mentality that plagues a large percentage of Americans.

@@charlesbolton8471 Thanks for your contribution to my reasearch.

The steel is low-grade, and doesn't stay sharp for long. The big selling point is that the steel is made in Japan, but the knives aren't. The company are the masters of weasel words, misleading advertising, and deceptive language.

Same parent company as established titles.

Scott Schafer just made a video on them.

@@whosaidthat84 yep, but the comment was made 4 days ago. I don't know where I heard they were a scam, but I vividly remember the allegations themselves

@@comit7926 oh I was just pointing it out, nothing more. I just thought it was a funny coincidence.

I stopped watching him when he told me I couldn't afford the signature guitar he and Gibson were planning... I was like really... Gibson is making you that high-end of a signature guitar?! He must have saved them 100's of thousands in the false quality assurance claims after he goes ripping through every guitar that enters his home...

You should sell that guitar lol. I'd feel dirty playing it!

Stupid idea? I don’t think so. Scam, yeah. Think about how much money they made selling a worthless piece of paper. If they can afford to pay a KZfaqr 3500$ for one ad, they’re probably worth millions. Definitely not a stupid idea.

@@Wargasm54 Stupid idea as in its an idea for stupid people I guess. And there do happen to be a lot of those around

100% Trogly is a greedy GEEK.

Sounds just like bands selling their asses to the recording industry, to me. Unfortunately nothing new, and the folks with enough integrity to refuse to participate are fewer than one would like.

ET suspended ads on YT which is why Trogly isn't sponsored anymore. Not because he felt it was a scam.

@@killaken2000 His statement sounded like he has. Let's assume in his favour...

Ha ha. I did the same but not heard anything from him. Yet ....

Yessss!!!! I commented on another persons thread here much the same thing. Trogly said you get a plot right next to Lord Djentmo. Implying an actual physical location. That the buyer would not really own it is obvious, but I thought it was a real piece of sponsored preservation.

Only China thinks Hong Kong is a part of China...lmfao

The last time I watched his channel, I felt so dirty I had to take a shower. 🤣

Love how you rewrite history

It's Scotland though(although I know the Scots were enslaved by the Brits too)

@@bostonbesteats364 you're welcome, I wasn't really rewriting, just giving a brief synopsis of the issue, the issue being hereditary or landed titles, and how such things cannot be legally recognised in Ireland since the establishment of the Irish Republic because the recognition of such titles was spacifically rejected. I'd have to look up the exact details but that's the general gist of the story.