Trolley Problem But The Trains Move

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CaptainSparklez 2

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9 ай бұрын

They added Create mod to the trolley problem so now we can get hit by real trains which is exciting.
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@daniele.h7697
@daniele.h7697 9 ай бұрын
So he changed the trolley problem from being a moral dilemma into whether or not he will be liable for their deaths.
@toastr1255
@toastr1255 9 ай бұрын
Adding realism at the cost of completely ruining the whole point of it
@tegxi
@tegxi 9 ай бұрын
​@@toastr1255 ...no. it's a thought experiment, he has a specific way of thinking about it. I think he's wrong and it's pretty absurd to value liability over 4 lives but it doesn't ruin the point
@trancepeirce3107
@trancepeirce3107 9 ай бұрын
Personal responsibility is how I solve the trolley problem every time. Touching the switch is murder. Doing nothing is an act of god.
@gifi4
@gifi4 9 ай бұрын
Which is a part of the moral and ethical dilemma
@aaron4th2001
@aaron4th2001 9 ай бұрын
honestly, which ruins the entirety of trolley problem, always making you choose "do nothing" .-.
@owenbuckleywfb
@owenbuckleywfb 9 ай бұрын
The title is wrong. It should be "Trolly Problem but there's a Liability Standpoint"
@Angelopolous
@Angelopolous 9 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@Angelopolous
@Angelopolous 9 ай бұрын
@@AiyetoroFeligrus Bro... he was just making a joke about Caps continuous use of the word 'liability' throughout the vid. Edit: @AiyetoroFeligrus Did you just delete your comment 😂😂
@billotron5521
@billotron5521 8 ай бұрын
That's already part of the original trolley problem in my opinion.
@septafan
@septafan 7 ай бұрын
i thousandth this
@diablotry5154
@diablotry5154 3 ай бұрын
​@@billotron5521nope, it's about a moral dilemma not insurance liability
@MrThukko
@MrThukko 9 ай бұрын
16:07 The genie is probably deaf so you couldn't just yell "I wish I wasn't on the train tracks!" to him, thus solving the issue with no deaths.
@dimmadome454
@dimmadome454 9 ай бұрын
Jordan has the sketchiest reasoning for why he chooses what he chooses but by god its hilarious to watch
@Roescoe
@Roescoe 9 ай бұрын
His reasoning is really funny. I just hope he's not like that IRL.
@billotron5521
@billotron5521 8 ай бұрын
​@Roescoe I doubt it. He's just making a funny video.
@Roescoe
@Roescoe 8 ай бұрын
@@billotron5521 Seems so. He's very responsible IRL from what I've seen.
@Minase636
@Minase636 9 ай бұрын
The mental gymnastics Jardon will go through to avoid resolving a moral dilemma is truly astonishing
@danij5055
@danij5055 9 ай бұрын
Liability is a realistic part of moral dilemmas.
@peteallred2297
@peteallred2297 7 ай бұрын
@@danij5055 It skirts around the focus of the moral dilemma, which is intended to make you weigh life’s of people and make decisions based on morals, not based on liabilities
@danij5055
@danij5055 7 ай бұрын
@@peteallred2297 No. It's meant to show how each person makes decisions and what factors they individually use to come to the conclusions they do. This includes their choice of including liability or not.
@SirLemmon
@SirLemmon 6 ай бұрын
@@danij5055 No, it is simply a question asking if it is moral to kill one person and save five or kill five and save one person. It has nothing to do with liability or anything like that. It is simply a moral question.
@gracefulgrizzly39
@gracefulgrizzly39 9 ай бұрын
"If I divert a train to a small child, I will be cancelled on twitter" 😂I think that is the least of your concerns
@tickytickytango5634
@tickytickytango5634 9 ай бұрын
33:17 "He didn't die!" "Killed" counter: increases by one
@scarigamez
@scarigamez 9 ай бұрын
I was honestly expecting him to be teleported to the tracks and be run over by the snail train, but the sudden death was funnier!
@KintersVideoStorage
@KintersVideoStorage 9 ай бұрын
I'm glad you enjoyed that one, it was my personal fav to add to the map :)
@ZephyCluster
@ZephyCluster 9 ай бұрын
With all the LegalEagle shoutouts, I hope he actually picks this video up 😂😂😂😂
@youngblood_95
@youngblood_95 9 ай бұрын
This is uniroinically the most sociopathic trolley problem video I've ever seen, and I want this to be a Jordan Reacts series.
@steventhefan
@steventhefan 9 ай бұрын
The basic original trolley problem has always been tricky for me cuz yeah it’s 5 vs 1 to die but also a failure to save isn’t murder, but actively diverting the trolley elsewhere to knowingly hit someone is murder.
@TriplePProductionz
@TriplePProductionz 9 ай бұрын
yeah but being in this scenario, not doing anything is still a choice the same way actively diverting it is, either way you're directly responsible for the lives or deaths of 6 people
@midlifehemi88
@midlifehemi88 9 ай бұрын
Or just switch it twice to try to make half the locomotive go one way and the other half go the other way, thus derailing the train. Depending on how close to the switch these people were, you might save them all or you might kill them all, but at least you can look like you took the unconventional approach and TRIED to get the best scenario, so even if it ended up killing them all, you might still look like you tried your damn hardest to save them all. But also the thing with the trolley problem is that in the situation it provides, you're basically going to be liable no matter what, so realistically speaking, no ending is good here, at all
@trancepeirce3107
@trancepeirce3107 9 ай бұрын
It's why I like the variation where you push a guy off a bridge in order to stop the trolley going towards 5 people. If you're not willing to directly kill one person, you shouldn't be flipping the switch either.
@Blubbpaule
@Blubbpaule 9 ай бұрын
@@TriplePProductionz It is a choice? Yes. But it is not murder. If you hadn't been there the outcome would be the same as if you did nothing, so it's not your responsibility at all. Else you could say you are responsible for all deaths in the world, because if you were there you could have prevented it.
@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim
@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim 9 ай бұрын
​@@midlifehemi88if the train derails, then you'd be responsible for the people _on_ the Trolley should they die.
@drumming_cat
@drumming_cat 9 ай бұрын
The train hitting the wall sadly isn't a create mod thing, the map just detected the train and destroyed the wall, playing an explosion sound
@KintersVideoStorage
@KintersVideoStorage 9 ай бұрын
Even simpler, it's just a timer because I know how long the train takes to get to the wall
@thegamedevcave
@thegamedevcave 9 ай бұрын
Philosophers : The trolley problem is a difficult moral question that reveals much about human nature and the inner workings on the mind! Jardon : Liability tho
@danij5055
@danij5055 9 ай бұрын
Thus revealing about Jordan's mind. The trolley problem is meant to show a person's thought process, what they value, and how much they value things. For Jordan, liability takes precedence. For others, it might be other things. The trolley problem is still doing it's job.
@thegamedevcave
@thegamedevcave 9 ай бұрын
@@danij5055 oh yeah for sure it's just really funny XD
@danij5055
@danij5055 9 ай бұрын
@@thegamedevcaveThat said, I did add the video to my Hilarious playlist 😂
@Lzbping
@Lzbping 9 ай бұрын
18:00 For the double or nothing scenario it would only take 33 people to pick double before you reach the current human population on the world
@ursamajo.r
@ursamajo.r 8 ай бұрын
I wonder whether you could still just keep endlessly doubling. Although imo in any case the most ethical thing to do would be to minimize the deaths for good and have one person killed, in case the choice would eventually be handed to someone murderous for example.
@aaryananand7288
@aaryananand7288 9 ай бұрын
At 17:58 , the 32nd person to gets to choose between doubling to kill the entire world or killing half the population like thanos...
@ConnorFlashwing
@ConnorFlashwing 8 ай бұрын
The issue I face with the trolley dilemma is that as you're technically always liable for your action. As soon as you're put into that situation and given the details of the outcomes, if you now "do nothing" and don't pull the lever, it's still an active decision you made.
@tickytickytango5634
@tickytickytango5634 9 ай бұрын
Your honor, I just wanted to see what would happen.
@THlSGUY-
@THlSGUY- 9 ай бұрын
18:29 you see 8 ppl died in the counter, so it doubled 2 more times
@benthebeaver
@benthebeaver 9 ай бұрын
Nice catch I didn't notice that!
@alexfisher2002
@alexfisher2002 9 ай бұрын
Legally throwing a switch on a trail track is a felony so the fact someone dies is just an added charge
@CMDRSweeper
@CMDRSweeper 9 ай бұрын
20:30 how can I die from a train falling on my house. Well the AN-225 DID transport a train or locomotive, so all it takes is for someone to actively set the train free at 10000 feet and it finding Jardon. Would sadly end Jardons Cardons and Jardons Gasdons.
@isobarkley
@isobarkley 9 ай бұрын
absolutely perfect execution of the "double it and give it to the next person" format
@SquintyGears
@SquintyGears 9 ай бұрын
The trolley problem is a moral question not a liability one 😂😂😂 there's no legal framework involved.
@andrew.la2
@andrew.la2 9 ай бұрын
The people that are filming the situation should be responsible for not helping to get the other people off the tracks
@mrurl42
@mrurl42 9 ай бұрын
Someone should ask @LegalEagle to do one of his law reviews on this video an tell us just how much in fines/jail time that @CaptainSparklez2 is on the hook for since he asked for it!
@onceanut9722
@onceanut9722 9 ай бұрын
You may not be liable for the villagers, but you are liable for saying liability
@brendanrisney2449
@brendanrisney2449 9 ай бұрын
Actual psychopath "I could be sued if I do anything so I won't even try to save lives"
@Henzoid
@Henzoid 9 ай бұрын
Heyyyy I was gonna do that Eh, I still will.
@drumming_cat
@drumming_cat 9 ай бұрын
prolly would be higher quality if you made it lol
@KintersVideoStorage
@KintersVideoStorage 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for playing my map!
@gillevans5972
@gillevans5972 9 ай бұрын
We've got five people stuck to the tracks screaming in terror and for help, sparklez tied to the other with a gun he's not interested in just shouting at the top of his lungs to the lever puller "LIABILITY!!!!!" over and over
@Sgt_SealCluber
@Sgt_SealCluber 9 ай бұрын
Jokes on you those 5 people's families will sue you for NOT doing anything when you could of saved them. 😑
@dexteritymaster
@dexteritymaster 9 ай бұрын
Trolley problem is that you are responsible for the lever (imagine you work on the rails) so all unalives from not pulling lever are liable to you. Just in case you misunderstood that part.
@therealperegrine
@therealperegrine 8 ай бұрын
"If I stay away from traintracks.. It won't just fall on my head, right?" Asdfmovie: Hold my beer.
@TeddyLucia1006
@TeddyLucia1006 9 ай бұрын
16:57 The way the Cap leans in to get a closer look at the "genie" lolol
@isobarkley
@isobarkley 9 ай бұрын
i like the liability angle.... its a very jardon solution
@bbgun061
@bbgun061 8 ай бұрын
The correct answer to the trolley problem is to pull the lever **while the trolley is on the switch,** derailing it and saving everyone.
@eibhen
@eibhen 9 ай бұрын
i love your freshly peeled head jardon
@athomesuperhero
@athomesuperhero 3 ай бұрын
Ngl this could all be done with command blocks and much more polished and nice. Maybe I will do that at some point.
@meepsoleruler444
@meepsoleruler444 9 ай бұрын
Yes, of course I would. I hate not knowing when I’m going to die, I want to know when I’m going to die and I can be certain of when I die if I make myself get hit by a train. 11:36
@eibhen
@eibhen 9 ай бұрын
captainsparklez x henzoid is an iconic duo
@PG_14
@PG_14 9 ай бұрын
I agree but this wasnt made by henzoid
@eibhen
@eibhen 9 ай бұрын
@@PG_14omg embarrassing for me i heard henzoid and my brain checked out 💀💔
@TacComControl
@TacComControl 9 ай бұрын
You know, I never thought I'd see a video where Jardon goes on for a full minute about things coming at his face...
@marshmurmurs
@marshmurmurs 9 ай бұрын
32:55 love the movement here, beeg jumps
@hanakoisbestgirl4752
@hanakoisbestgirl4752 9 ай бұрын
I now hope someone makes a sparklez themed trolley problem map. Do nothing and alt world Dnite gets hit, pull the lever and jerry gets splattered
@alexanderelderhorst2107
@alexanderelderhorst2107 8 ай бұрын
18:48 but you're choosing either to have 1 person die or guaranteeing that at least two people will die later so you're not just giving responsibility to someone else. You're both making someone else suffer the trolley problem and guilt WHILE killing others.
@matthewhaacke8751
@matthewhaacke8751 8 ай бұрын
First trolley problem you can be sued for negligence probably if you're capable of changing
@TalesAscen
@TalesAscen 9 ай бұрын
Jardon never underestimate an Americans ability to sue someone for doing nothing.
@brankin421
@brankin421 9 ай бұрын
Leave it to Jardoon to care more about whether the action will cost him money than whether it kills people...
@pde8444
@pde8444 8 ай бұрын
I mean not money per say but jail time but again It was an interesting take that seemed less morality lol
@algotkristoffersson15
@algotkristoffersson15 8 ай бұрын
2:43, you can be sued for criminal neglect
@arbitraryimagines
@arbitraryimagines 9 ай бұрын
Ask not for whom the train goes - it goes for thee.
@drizz00
@drizz00 8 ай бұрын
this video is the reason i had a dream about trains and thank you 🙏
@O_Kden
@O_Kden 18 күн бұрын
Oh, the deaf genie can’t hear you wish to survive or the train not to hit you
@BloodDripss
@BloodDripss 9 ай бұрын
JARDON i just realised why the genie was deaf! its so he cant hear you if you were to yell a wish to save both of you or wish for the train to stop. he cant hear you and you cant see each other bc of the wall!
@chuckstevens4985
@chuckstevens4985 9 ай бұрын
Captain, the liability factor takes away from the point of these. That should only be factored in when it says something like “you are being filmed” as you saw.
@ZackRToler
@ZackRToler 9 ай бұрын
Not wrong, it's a thought experiment, and his thoughts go to liability. Which is sad that it does
@Wheres_my_Dragonator
@Wheres_my_Dragonator 9 ай бұрын
We live in a society. A society has rules and laws. You can't just ignore it because "muh thought experiment", otherwise serial killers would be roaming the streets with complete impunity.
@hanakoisbestgirl4752
@hanakoisbestgirl4752 9 ай бұрын
​​@@Wheres_my_Dragonatorexcept you ignore it all because thought experiment. Do you worry about killing people in games? Serial killers going around killing people would be a real world thing. Horrible horrible argument
@awolfe7482
@awolfe7482 9 ай бұрын
We love the reasoning behind moral dilemmas
@carlose4314
@carlose4314 8 ай бұрын
Another lawyer made a video about the trolley problem.
@dustinmaynard8344
@dustinmaynard8344 9 ай бұрын
This is why its illegal to walk or be on train tracks
@Silias06
@Silias06 8 ай бұрын
All it would take is 34 people for it to end all life with the doubling question
@recog3825
@recog3825 9 ай бұрын
By choosing to kill the 10y old child instead of the child's family and friends Jardon deprived the world of a Batman and was thereby responible for the deaths of many more innocent people.
@bobbyjoe3427
@bobbyjoe3427 9 ай бұрын
Love the video!
@MadLad-iu4sm
@MadLad-iu4sm 9 ай бұрын
Jardoons biggest concern is being canceled on twitter for killing a small child
@VojtaJavora
@VojtaJavora 9 ай бұрын
Sounds like he should get cancelled on twitter for that.
@heidibaltom8138
@heidibaltom8138 9 ай бұрын
I saw a video once where this was done in real life. Noone does but the people didn't know that. It's so interesting.
@teddeeznuts
@teddeeznuts 9 ай бұрын
jordans loss here is that he fails to recognize the duty to rescue and good samaritan laws that would get him sued in his liability standpoint choices.
@Sable_ish
@Sable_ish 9 ай бұрын
Wait until Jardon finds out that the Trolley Problem is literally about Liability and not about the Needs of the Many the question that the Trolley Problem is trying to solve isnt whether you save more people, its whether your choice to save people makes you responsible for the death of the one person.
@hanakoisbestgirl4752
@hanakoisbestgirl4752 9 ай бұрын
Liability of the mind. Could you live with yourself if you pulled the lever killing someone if it saved 3 others. Could you live with yourself. Jardoon keeps bringing up being sued and losing money. Its not about that form of liability
@NikkiTheViolist
@NikkiTheViolist 9 ай бұрын
I think the trolley problem has the important caveat that you need to consider: there's a reason why the train is on this track and not that track. You don't know if the other track is even functional. Sure, by diverting the train you may save those 5 people (who...why were they even there in the first place? Since they know it's an active train track, don't they have a plan to get off? The person on the other track definitely wasn't expecting a train to go down it, so he might not notice in time) but you also might derail the train and kill hundreds more people at the same time when the train derails and hits a school bus, a nursing home, and an ambulance. Is it worth it to chance derailing a train and killing hundreds just to guarantee to kill that one person instead of maybe killing five other people who may or may not have a plan to get off the track in time?
@AbhishKerner
@AbhishKerner 9 ай бұрын
Trolley bring big problems to home and the nothing doing no work and suffering from the bad works not being elite and then the counts going up high and then just going elite but yes the fun plays going well and the Jardon being in the Map good
@Tharronis
@Tharronis 9 ай бұрын
I'm impressed by how many people completely miss the point of the trolley problem and dump on his approach. The whole point is to apply some kind of moral or ethical thought to it. Utilitarianism directs to minimize lives lost, but many other systems would tend more towards doing nothing approach as in this video. It can be argued that the act of doing something constitutes murder in the case of this problem, and inaction does not. Viewing it through the lens of liability does present a fairly consistent set of results and they are based around the idea of personal risk mitigation. Is it ethical? Debatable - I mean, that's the whole bloody point innit? There is literally no "correct" answer to these problems because they're dumb, contrived scenarios.
@metallicstudio1141
@metallicstudio1141 9 ай бұрын
Trolley hurt
@karinisvetcool
@karinisvetcool 9 ай бұрын
Is the 'doing nothing because then they can't sue me' actually true? Like, isn't not helping in an emergency a crime? Wouldn't the families of the 5 people be able to argue that? I hate the whole 'liability'-shtick. Like, imagine someone's drowning, but when you save them you acidentally hit their head, causing a small wound (they could sue). But if you don't do anything they will die, would you just let them drown?
@realcanadian96
@realcanadian96 9 ай бұрын
In the one where the engineer can see, as a person who knows people, an engineer would much rather kill one person than 5.
@Minase636
@Minase636 9 ай бұрын
There better be some trussy in this map
@joop1991
@joop1991 29 күн бұрын
39:35 But the conductor already died in scenario 5
@thisismyusername6071
@thisismyusername6071 9 ай бұрын
Tbh the liability thing doesnt really matter bc how will their family know
@ChaoticTrapper
@ChaoticTrapper 9 ай бұрын
in US there's also the good Samaritan law so you can't be sued for trying to save someone
@zanetano
@zanetano 8 ай бұрын
i think the deaf thing was so that you couldn't ask the ginnie to stop the train or something.
@williamhallam706
@williamhallam706 8 ай бұрын
(not a lawyer) i looked it up and i think if you were in a trolley problem where your life was at stake it could be called a "justified homicide" so long as you could prove you had no ability to escape the situation and you had a convincing enough reason to believe that your life was in danger. i could not find any examples where the homicide resulted in the death of a third party bystander instead of the alleged assailant (who in this case would be the trolley conductor most likely) but you could probably argue that this qualifies
@Finat0
@Finat0 8 ай бұрын
"blinding the conductor" REALLY pains me to hear, as the conductor is not the person which drives the train
@billotron5521
@billotron5521 8 ай бұрын
You knew what they meant tho
@Finat0
@Finat0 8 ай бұрын
@@billotron5521 doesn't mean it wasn't painfull
@Seroku03
@Seroku03 9 ай бұрын
BRO! You need to try this new map called ChunkLock! It is AWESOME!
@KillShot-gt2wu
@KillShot-gt2wu 9 ай бұрын
The liability kinda removes most of the point, but still interesting in another way
@Faolon
@Faolon 9 ай бұрын
the killed counter is a bit off, theres a few times where it will add numbers, even though the train diverted, just a fyi
@lyndsaydifford5841
@lyndsaydifford5841 9 ай бұрын
greater good theory would make this so different
@ShinRyuuk
@ShinRyuuk 9 ай бұрын
You're liable no matter what you do, yea
@Cordikal
@Cordikal 9 ай бұрын
Liability can also be seen from a personal standpoint. Did you knowingly do nothing, allowing deaths, or did you intentionally act, causing one person's death and have to live with your guilt.
@owenking6038
@owenking6038 9 ай бұрын
To answer how many doubles it would take to get to world pop. Is between 32 and 33 times
@Blubbpaule
@Blubbpaule 9 ай бұрын
The kill counts increases no matter what you do sometimes, thats weird. Killed noone and you still got 5 kills. 18:50 he even got 8 kills on his counter because the person in the future who was met with "8 people or double for the next" didn't pull the lever. Which makes no sense, captain sparklez is not responsible for the death of those 8 people.
@bmaster5324
@bmaster5324 8 ай бұрын
double it and give it to the next person
@lordbowdencgp7792
@lordbowdencgp7792 9 ай бұрын
21:54. Maths nerd here. 52 1/2% is not a percentage. If you want to have half a percent of a unit, it would be 52.5% not 52 1/2% as that's mixing percentage and fractions
@andrew.la2
@andrew.la2 9 ай бұрын
At 23:40 he hits do nothing so the train should go forward and kill the person
@matthewhaacke8751
@matthewhaacke8751 8 ай бұрын
Bro thinking only about liability and not people's lives is wildly selfish that's crazyyy
@liontack
@liontack 9 ай бұрын
18 unalives were added in the double or nothing scenario, how is 18 the number added? It's not a power of 2 😮
@EXZRB
@EXZRB 9 ай бұрын
10 scooter anklers
@joegote
@joegote 9 ай бұрын
Self preservation for sure Innocent
@TorvaMessorRecluse
@TorvaMessorRecluse 9 ай бұрын
You're liable for all deaths and injuries as your inputs could change the outcome.
@axendoJH
@axendoJH 9 ай бұрын
Twitter would cancel you, but on X you can get monetized.
@TD_Draws
@TD_Draws 9 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, doing nothing means you are loitering.
@d4r7h3b3r
@d4r7h3b3r 9 ай бұрын
So... at what point did you all put the video on 2x speed? For me it was around the 10:40 mark. :)
@JaydenIsland
@JaydenIsland 9 ай бұрын
Wait
@damonsnow6209
@damonsnow6209 9 ай бұрын
12:00 you wouldn’t be charged with murder but self defence doesn’t extend to the death of an other person so you would be charged with manslaughter
@axendoJH
@axendoJH 9 ай бұрын
And who is this conductor, Alec Baldwin?
@googingus
@googingus 9 ай бұрын
real
@loggat3804
@loggat3804 9 ай бұрын
who hurt this man??
@joop1991
@joop1991 29 күн бұрын
37:37 Why did the kill count go from 43 to 49? 🙄
@SwagRum76_
@SwagRum76_ 9 ай бұрын
30:27 If you pull the lever, the child will become Batman
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