Trope Talk: Magic

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"I have a great idea," I said, not having a great idea. "I'll write up a script about magic and how its historical roots are responsible for its portrayal in modern media!"
"Yeah! That sounds easy!" I said, thinking it would be easy.
Soooooo let's talk about ALL OF MAGIC AND MAGIC SYSTEMS BECAUSE HA HA APPARENTLY I LIKE TO SUFFER WHEN I ASSIGN MYSELF THESE TOPICS
EXAMPLES USED: Beauty and the Beast (folklore), Princess and the Frog (folklore), East of the Sun West of the Moon (folklore), Sleeping Beauty (folklore), Snow White (folklore), Diamonds and Toads (folklore), Oresteia, Odyssey, Mahabharata, Perseus and the Medusa (mythology), Aladdin, Susanoo-No-Mikoto, the Tuatha Dé Danann, Stormbringer (Michael Moorcock), The Lord of the Rings, King Arthur, Koschei the Deathless, The Shakespeare Code (Doctor Who), Doctor Strange, Thor, Thor Ragnarok, Slayers, Harry Potter, X-Men: Days of Future Past, Percy Jackson, The Dresden Files, Avatar: The Last Airbender, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
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@xxweirdofromspacexx1119
@xxweirdofromspacexx1119 3 жыл бұрын
There are no I’s in team, but there are five I’s in “I don’t care how big the room is, I cast fireball”
@cardboardcrafter2482
@cardboardcrafter2482 3 жыл бұрын
Use Lightning Bolt. Less things resist lightning than fire, and it has about the same amount of damage.
@Ridiculous77
@Ridiculous77 3 жыл бұрын
@@cardboardcrafter2482 Bold choice of words from someone in fireball distance
@cardboardcrafter2482
@cardboardcrafter2482 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ridiculous77 That is why I suggest another spell.
@cardboardcrafter2482
@cardboardcrafter2482 3 жыл бұрын
​@Zachary Wolf There are loads of combat spells other than Fireball that have the same amount of damage potential without as much friendly fire. Also, how is gravity relevant to this?
@TyoAtrosa
@TyoAtrosa 3 жыл бұрын
*laughs in fire immunity*
@philbertdallas7262
@philbertdallas7262 6 жыл бұрын
"If it glows, its magic" **looks at lightbulb** Me: I knew it
@Siegberg91
@Siegberg91 5 жыл бұрын
Edison is pretty Wizard ( bringing it back)
@merrittanimation7721
@merrittanimation7721 5 жыл бұрын
The Wizard of Menlo Park
@spider-man2291
@spider-man2291 5 жыл бұрын
As an Electrician (yes, capitalized for my vanity) I can tell you that it is, in fact, magic. And people get mad, very mad, when the magic doesn't flow.
@spider-man2291
@spider-man2291 5 жыл бұрын
@Un-broken and victorious lol
@dumptruck5138
@dumptruck5138 5 жыл бұрын
I should become an electric mage! *(Actually an electrician.)*
@marvelousmaker
@marvelousmaker 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting character: a dyslexic polytheistic priest and the mayhem he causes by calling on the wrong gods
@iridescent28
@iridescent28 3 жыл бұрын
I'd read that 🤣
@Orichal264
@Orichal264 3 жыл бұрын
This sounds really fricking interesting
@marvelousmaker
@marvelousmaker 3 жыл бұрын
@@Orichal264 examples praying to a fire god for rain or having asking a death god to cure wounds. I will leave the rest to your imagination.
@Orichal264
@Orichal264 3 жыл бұрын
@@marvelousmaker Asking a god of harvests to kill your enemies only to have them cut down with a scythe, like wheat would be a badass moment
@jonathantadlock-stein2023
@jonathantadlock-stein2023 3 жыл бұрын
@@marvelousmaker they can't be wounded if they're dead!
@hiimspee828
@hiimspee828 3 жыл бұрын
Harry: "Why don't wizards show themselves to the world?" Hagrid: "cause then everybody would be wanting magical solutions to their problems, wouldn't they?" Que an entire seven books of witches and wizards literally not being able to accomplish anything without magic, ever. Edit:it's worth noting that Hagrid would not be the most reliable of narrators, but its literally the closest anyone in the whole series comes to answering that "but why the secrecy" question.
@maucazalv903
@maucazalv903 2 жыл бұрын
that´s probably part of the reason why they don´t want everyone to use magical solutions too xd
@mitkitty
@mitkitty 2 жыл бұрын
Also not even being able to accomplish stuff WITH magic. The magical world in that series is absurdly incompetent and at first it seems intentional but then they restore the status quo at the end of the series so...it wasn't, i guess??
@SuperFlamethrower
@SuperFlamethrower 2 жыл бұрын
In the main plot, our heroes use magic to solve super-powered problems. Since magic is the only power of most of the characters, it's the only way. In subplots, magic is used to solve mundane problems though.
@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim
@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim 2 жыл бұрын
@@SuperFlamethrower I'm pretty sure the power of _GUN_ would have worked against Voldmort once the last Horcrux was destroyed.
@airplanes_aren.t_real
@airplanes_aren.t_real 2 жыл бұрын
@@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim Voldemort: bu-but fancy spell that kills anyone except the one guy who literally survived it when he was a baby and has part of my soul in him
@alecchristiaen4856
@alecchristiaen4856 3 жыл бұрын
magic as science: artificer, wizard magic as divine: cleric, paladin, warlock magic as talent: sorcerer magic as force of nature: druid
@lemonic6238
@lemonic6238 3 жыл бұрын
I would put ranger in force of nature with the druid
@pendragon0905
@pendragon0905 3 жыл бұрын
magic as martial art: ninja, monk
@SupremeMoose
@SupremeMoose 3 жыл бұрын
@@pendragon0905 ...and Eldritch Knight fighter
@Silverwind87
@Silverwind87 3 жыл бұрын
Where would bards fall under?
@pendragon0905
@pendragon0905 3 жыл бұрын
@@Silverwind87 Magic as talent
@temporaltoast9692
@temporaltoast9692 4 жыл бұрын
“You didn’t get babies with +5 resistance to fire.” Now I just wanna have a fairy that gives the baby a ton of physical boons, like _and after the blessing of grace, they were given _*_THE POWER TO BENCH PRESS HORSES._*
@catherinemoul9160
@catherinemoul9160 4 жыл бұрын
I would be that fairy.
@roul4842
@roul4842 4 жыл бұрын
Hahaha
@supercat765
@supercat765 4 жыл бұрын
THE POWER TO BENCH PRESS HORSES no not anything else just horses
@twistedhazards
@twistedhazards 4 жыл бұрын
there actually are much lesser known fairytales like this, usually its children who are blessed later in life after accomplishing some great feat or accidentally capturing some magical being and setting them free under the magically compelled promise of a boon of some sort. I recall one of the many Grim's Fairytales had a young man who was unnaturally strong because he caught a gnome by his hat when he was little and the gnome granted him strength to lift 3 oxen in one hand as a deal to let him go.
@Resters52_official
@Resters52_official 4 жыл бұрын
but only horses, nothing else
@jmcarabio3854
@jmcarabio3854 3 жыл бұрын
"Some people go to school for architecture, some people go to school to summon eldritch horrors from the spaces between realities" Weeell I guess I know what I'll take in college
@kingdomofbricks702
@kingdomofbricks702 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I was thinking of taking architecture too
@victorvaquer94
@victorvaquer94 2 жыл бұрын
Let's go to the Miskatonic University of Arkam. "Who needs sanity when you can summon an tentacular abomination that will consume the world ?"
@monaelisa8713
@monaelisa8713 2 жыл бұрын
Annabeth Chase and Nico di Angelo in college XD
@frostyvoid827
@frostyvoid827 2 жыл бұрын
@@monaelisa8713 wait, does NRU have a degree for summoning eldritch horrors from the spaces between reality?
@monaelisa8713
@monaelisa8713 2 жыл бұрын
@@frostyvoid827 I don't know, maybe it does
@HexQuesTT
@HexQuesTT 3 жыл бұрын
"You didn't get so many babies with +5 resistance to fire" Leo Valdez baybee
@potentpotassium5776
@potentpotassium5776 2 жыл бұрын
*Salutes*
@delusionaldreamer8332
@delusionaldreamer8332 2 жыл бұрын
Fire boy.
@Existence27
@Existence27 2 жыл бұрын
I'd say his resistance is like +100
@Ardorstorm
@Ardorstorm 2 жыл бұрын
Leo, my beloved
@lowercase_ash
@lowercase_ash 2 жыл бұрын
This comment pleases me :]
@MrJay1El
@MrJay1El 6 жыл бұрын
"Don't think too hard about the Harry Potter universe if you want to be able to still enjoy it" Yup. Pretty much it.
@fuzzyhair321
@fuzzyhair321 5 жыл бұрын
Magic the switz army knife is bullshit
@willieoelkers5568
@willieoelkers5568 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, JKR was definitely more focused on storytelling than world-building. They're great stories, but looking back I do wish the Wizarding World was a bit more defined
@Rockernator
@Rockernator 5 жыл бұрын
DRAW DAILY DxD Exactly what I wanted to say!
@eateban12
@eateban12 5 жыл бұрын
@@DRAWDAILYchannel yeah, but how do you define most thigs is badly done, for example why is a mage or a spell stronger than another? If it's just blood, Hermione should be pretty week, if it's knowledge, she would be way stronger than Harry. In the end it's just who the author chooses it to be. (I do think it's a good story, it's just not a solid magic system)
@GoranXII
@GoranXII 5 жыл бұрын
It's not just the magic either. Who the hell thought 17 and 29 were acceptable multipliers for money?
@chunkymonky4433
@chunkymonky4433 4 жыл бұрын
I feel the Full Metal Alchemist "law of equivalent exchange" is a pretty good way to ground magic in reality. If i want to create an explosion i have to use something with the capability to explode, if i want to bring someone back to life I have to use the very specific ingredients of a human and then create a black writhing mass of suffering and lose an arm and a leg and my entire brother. *Don't bring people back to life*
@laurie1183
@laurie1183 4 жыл бұрын
Use the right ingredients at least.
@spencermahan3137
@spencermahan3137 4 жыл бұрын
Use the dragon balls
@WakkaMadeInYevon
@WakkaMadeInYevon 4 жыл бұрын
@@laurie1183 ah shit I used the left ingredients, that must be what went wrong.
@laurie1183
@laurie1183 4 жыл бұрын
@@WakkaMadeInYevon MatPat has a video on it ;)
@shino4242
@shino4242 4 жыл бұрын
It also helps that everyone except Ed and the others who've seen the "truth" need to have access to a fairly specific circle ontop of the law of equal exchange and all the education needed to KNOW how to do these things. Roy CAN in theory do basically everything Ed can, but he'd need to it there drawing a specific circle to do it, where as Ed can just clap his hands and make it happen. Hence why almost every other state alchemist has an artifact or tattoo of a circle with them and specializes in 1 specific thing and doing that 1 specific thing VERY well and forcing them to get extra creative with their chosen abilities. Ed is basically the only one who's that versatile. For most of the series, even Al, who's nearly as talented as Ed, doesn't use alchemy during fights too often, relying mostly on his new found super strength and invulnerability...drawing a circle mid combat to create a desired effect is just not feasible Basically they did a good job of making Ed limited based off the rules of alchemy, minus the one he bends and simultaneously making everyone else even MORE limited and not making every alchemist vs alchemist fight devolve into chaos from 2 or more people making matter their bitches...all while still being consistent, and still making these varied characters seem useful/threatening.
@sethgraham8337
@sethgraham8337 2 жыл бұрын
3 year later I'm still laughing at the image of Anubis panicked at the idea of helping delivering a baby
@Vinemaple
@Vinemaple 10 ай бұрын
I'm noticing that whenever Red portrays Anubis, she always makes or finds someone else who made him look like the Goodest of Good Bois, and I will never be able to unsee it
@Attaxalotl
@Attaxalotl 8 ай бұрын
"This is not my job, this is the opposite of my job"
@indigo8130
@indigo8130 8 ай бұрын
what about 5
@Princesstrixiesparklels4life
@Princesstrixiesparklels4life 4 ай бұрын
I think Anubis would be so panicked. If he’s called to give birth, that image is hilarious.😅😄
@inigo-montoya
@inigo-montoya Ай бұрын
Bruce, it's been 5 years, you still owe me 16$
@rowanisntreal
@rowanisntreal 3 жыл бұрын
i like how the bending in avatar doesn't feel like magic, like there's not specific spells it's just manipulation of your respective element. it's very loose and simple. edit: holy shit, so many likes! thanks so much :)
@Chaox56
@Chaox56 3 жыл бұрын
In a way yeah but they also went very in depth to explain the origin of that mechanic, how humans were given power over it and how society was built up around it over thousands of years
@RA-hh7ji
@RA-hh7ji 3 жыл бұрын
@@Chaox56 Legend of Korra explains the spiritual aspect and show the fist avatar and first benders ganing it from the spirits. But you don't have to look that much, in Avatar the Last Airbender they say a Thousand times that the first benders, once the spirits gave them the power, learned from the animals how to use it. Waterbenders learned from Tui and La, two fishes that push and pull, Firebenders from the Dragons, Airbenders from the Flying Bisions and Earthbenders from that animal i forgot the name hahaha i think "toperas" in Portuguese but i don't remember the translation. Also sorry my english.
@animeman8203
@animeman8203 3 жыл бұрын
@@RA-hh7ji I actually watched a video that explains that. It said that though they could use the elements, bending only really came into a recognizable existence once they studied certain animals and learned from them.
@schibleh531
@schibleh531 3 жыл бұрын
What I liked the most about Avatar and Kora is that people who can't bend can manage to go up against a bender. I honestly hate hate it when magic wielders become a different class of people that can't be touched by anyone outside of that class. It feels like crappy writing.
@rayzersun6705
@rayzersun6705 3 жыл бұрын
@@RA-hh7ji Badgermoles
@victorjacquet2627
@victorjacquet2627 5 жыл бұрын
In France we litteraly have an sentence for the magic-ex-machina, it's "Ta gueule, c'est magique" wich means "STFU it's magic" so yeah, NEVER do that trope
@Americanbadashh
@Americanbadashh 5 жыл бұрын
In English we have a Simpsons' a reference called " A wizard did it"
@scp--297
@scp--297 4 жыл бұрын
@@Americanbadashh 😂 So true.
@JackSilver1410
@JackSilver1410 4 жыл бұрын
@@Americanbadashh When asking how something works, the response I got was often "BFM" (By Fucking Magic) It may go without saying that I'm the only one in my family who reads...
@ilovethelegend
@ilovethelegend 4 жыл бұрын
"It's magic, I ain't gotta explain shit" and "I can say 'Magic' faster than you can say 'Plot Hole'" are my two favorites.
@armandamaeve2270
@armandamaeve2270 4 жыл бұрын
This reply section just made my day😂😂😂
@dysfunctionalcaterpillar790
@dysfunctionalcaterpillar790 3 жыл бұрын
I personally love the Eragon rules for magic. Namely: Casting a spell requires the same amount of energy as if you performed the same activity mundanely. If you just flick a switch or throw a rock, that's fine, but if you try & cover a fell or ravine in thick mist, it will physically tax you. You can store energy in precious gemstones or rocks to draw upon later, allowing you to cast spells that would normally be too much for you by leeching off their stored power. Once you commit to a spell, you stay committed to it for good. If you want to excavate the side of a mountain, the spell will continue to draw power from you until the desired effects are produced or you die from the stress/strain of such a powerful spell. I feel like these rules make magic fairer: now some scrawny little magic prepubescent can't run up to a book & cast the most powerful spell in existence, it takes immense power & training to even think about that. This also allows me to picture powerful spellcasters as really buff people decked out in magical bling & I wouldn't give that up for the *WORLD*.
@bluememe4652
@bluememe4652 3 жыл бұрын
you wouldn't give that up for... ZA WARUDO ?
@SteveAkaDarktimes
@SteveAkaDarktimes 3 жыл бұрын
notably you can do things with magic you couldnt do mundanely. like blocking magic or cursing people. or its so much more efficient with a bit of creativity that its horrifying, like killing people by creating the force of a fingerpoke in their brain.
@andreeacat7071
@andreeacat7071 3 жыл бұрын
Yep magic used on the mundane basically just makes the task faster And you can also leech energy off of other living things, though that info’s kept under lock and key because OH GOD SOMEONE WIPED OUT HALF OF SURDA TRYING TO BRING SOMEONE BACK TO LIFE SHIT oh and you basically throw magic into the void when you attempt to bring something back to life or view the future. So ha nope get rekt prophecies
@ianphillips2137
@ianphillips2137 2 жыл бұрын
This is exactly what the mana system is, a limited source of internal energy used to cast magic, and if it’s depleted you either can’t use magic again until it’s replenished, or become too exhausted to do anything without hurting yourself.
@andreeacat7071
@andreeacat7071 2 жыл бұрын
@Justin Yang that happens to every spell that you don’t have enough energy for if you don’t give yourself a condition to stop it.
@leoblessinger7913
@leoblessinger7913 3 жыл бұрын
"Waving your hands in the air like you just don't care about the laws of physics" one of the best ways I have heard to describe spells
@mikenunes9745
@mikenunes9745 3 жыл бұрын
I really liked kurzgesagt's definition of magic. In their gold apocalypse video, they said it is "a very special phenomenon, which allows us to modify physics"
@maitremaitre9283
@maitremaitre9283 3 жыл бұрын
My favorite definition is the one from the librarian because magic in itself is just a destructive force and you need to catalyse it in different ways to being able to modify physics (While in this show, magic is actually a bit more scientific)
@irmaosmatos4026
@irmaosmatos4026 2 ай бұрын
a.k.a a miracle
@thelegend8570
@thelegend8570 5 жыл бұрын
King: **Sits on stone** Stone: *_REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE_*
@orange2694
@orange2694 4 жыл бұрын
You called?
@samueltheblonde
@samueltheblonde 4 жыл бұрын
When was that?
@casuallatecomer7597
@casuallatecomer7597 4 жыл бұрын
@@samueltheblonde at around 4:20-ish it's when she describes magical Irish items.
@jennyberger8229
@jennyberger8229 4 жыл бұрын
Casual Latecomer *n o i c e*
@ronjayrose9706
@ronjayrose9706 4 жыл бұрын
Random Irish Stone:Oye Git Of Mi Bac Yu beg panzi!!!!
@agent_ocelot9390
@agent_ocelot9390 5 жыл бұрын
[Worry about magic in my book being bad intensifies]
@ProjectEchoshadow
@ProjectEchoshadow 5 жыл бұрын
In writing it never matters what you day just how you say it
@aidanvandeveer2926
@aidanvandeveer2926 5 жыл бұрын
It's kinda cheating, but look at the rules for magic in Mage: the ascension. especially in regards to if you want to throw in the "secret world" trick.
@adrienneczerni6516
@adrienneczerni6516 5 жыл бұрын
Hey do you want to tell me about your magic setup
@ProjectEchoshadow
@ProjectEchoshadow 4 жыл бұрын
Adrian Cerny just bind magic to creativity and or mental state that way readers think rules exist even if they don’t
@NoConsequenc3
@NoConsequenc3 4 жыл бұрын
@@agent_ocelot9390 ah, so like another "limb" of a sort. I dig that. Reminds me of the Codex Alera series by Jim Butcher, but more internal than external. I think you definitely have room to play around without it being a mess
@oywiththewaywardtardis
@oywiththewaywardtardis 3 жыл бұрын
I just finished a series of books (the Winternight trilogy) that defined magic as “forgetting that things aren’t how you want them to be”. The best example off the top of my head would be “forgetting that the candles weren’t on fire” or “forgetting that anyone could see [character]”. It was a fascinating way of approaching the subject. Also, it hilariously reminds me of Douglas Adams’s definition of flying which was “the art of throwing yourself at the ground and missing”.
@mostdefinitelynotaguineapi7566
@mostdefinitelynotaguineapi7566 2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't that mean that you could be basically omnipotent if you believed you were?
@GoblinLord
@GoblinLord 2 жыл бұрын
So all master wizards are ADD as fuck? as someone with ADD, I would love to live there
@quagsiremcgee1647
@quagsiremcgee1647 Жыл бұрын
If you don't look down the ravine it can't stop you. Just keep walking.
@derimperator3847
@derimperator3847 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking more about the SEP fields, also from the Hitchhikers Guide (SEP = someone elses problem, things just slip your awareness)
@Arzamol5
@Arzamol5 Жыл бұрын
@@mostdefinitelynotaguineapi7566 Haven't read that series, but I imagine the wider the implications of a spell, the harder it is to "forget" your way into casting it. It's easy to forget you left the lights on back home, it's hard to forget that you aren't a millionaire. You've got "im not super rich" internalized into your identity, and reality reminds you of that reality at every turn. I'm guessing someone theoretically could forget they're not omniscient, but they'd have to be a pretty delusional and megalomaniacal person, and even for them it'd might be pretty hard to sustain. Afterall you could pretty easily forget that you're omnipotent if you've been mortal your whole life and you suddenly see a car flying at you.
@justjjamn4952
@justjjamn4952 Жыл бұрын
"Three can keep a secret if two of them are dead, and the third one is cursed to only speak in spoonerisms." Truer words have never been spoken.
@BeOurBee
@BeOurBee 7 ай бұрын
Spruer words have never been token!
@PerverseMilk
@PerverseMilk 5 жыл бұрын
Fairy Tail could basically be renamed magic-ex-machina. Every story arc basically ends the same: Bad guy: "BWAHAHA YOU CAN'T BEAT ME SO JUST TO RUB IT IN HERE'S ME HURTING YOUR FRIEND!" Natsu: "Friendship" Bad guy: "Nani!?" Natsu: "FIRE DRAGON FRIENDSHIP FIST!" Bad guy: "I am beaten! Though not dead. Cause I will literally be a good guy like....next week...."
@junkuribo5150
@junkuribo5150 5 жыл бұрын
YESSSSSSSSS
@Hugh345678
@Hugh345678 5 жыл бұрын
@@junkuribo5150 yep
@spiketrap8212
@spiketrap8212 5 жыл бұрын
Except for probably the people they actually killed...unless time travel
@zenzonerzz4789
@zenzonerzz4789 5 жыл бұрын
That's also with dragon ball. But aparently fairy tail is bad and dragon ball is good. HOW THEY BOTH DO THE SAME THING EVERY ARC! WHY IS ONE GOOD AND ONE BAD?!
@deadmeme8011
@deadmeme8011 5 жыл бұрын
@@zenzonerzz4789 They're both kinda low-quality when it comes to actual plotline and setting. However, Dragonball has the power of nostalgia on it's side, so almost nobody gives them shit for selling the same plotline every few years.
@BoredomBee
@BoredomBee 4 жыл бұрын
4:23 "...and a stone that would yell when the king sat on it." I'm sorry, *_w h a t ._*
@thomasthecoolkid7228
@thomasthecoolkid7228 4 жыл бұрын
Yes. Because Ireland. It's like "because Japan", but instead of moe-fying everything, they have screaming rocks and Hulks that Hulk more than the character literally called The Hulk can actually Hulk.
@natesmodelsdoodles5403
@natesmodelsdoodles5403 3 жыл бұрын
@@thomasthecoolkid7228 Also a naked woman with a spear that you need to cut out of whoever gets stabbed with it.
@marikarybak7490
@marikarybak7490 3 жыл бұрын
scream chair but rock. hope that helps.
@doc1701
@doc1701 3 жыл бұрын
Was actually the first known record of talking digital scales "GET OFF, HIGHNESS!!! YOU WEIGH OVER 150KG CUT BACK ON THE FEASTINGS!!!"
@acecat2798
@acecat2798 2 жыл бұрын
It was enchanted with that highest form of sorcery, the whoopee cushion.
@adancein
@adancein 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like urban fanatsy is "easiest" when magic somehow "enters" the world at a set point in history. Like if everything is historically as in reality, but at some point (probably somewhere around where you want to set your story) a "convergence" happens and suddenly magic is real. Or something.
@GamersHolyArmy
@GamersHolyArmy 2 жыл бұрын
I know Shadowrun did that exact thing.
@Eunacis
@Eunacis 2 жыл бұрын
@@GamersHolyArmy just drop the cyberpunk bits and you got a bitchin fantasy
@fishymachine
@fishymachine 2 жыл бұрын
As somehow that hates the the idea of Urban fantasy, I'm okay with recent magic. Hell if the amount of new blood is super rare, you could get away even with century of the society being hidden, so long as leader the certain nations they inhabit are given during inductions a quick rundown of a few of the economical and political dynasties, and those new bloods will have simple "luck" without training. Or if you can't write a story contains the merger of Merlin Mobile with Orb Telecom, just stick to sword and sorcery
@treelord4644
@treelord4644 2 жыл бұрын
I think the heartstriker/DFZ series does this well as it used to exist but only recently came back. So they get the best of both worlds, incredibly ancient creatures with tons of knowledge and the world reacting to magic.
@bruhvenant
@bruhvenant 2 жыл бұрын
If you're writing a story where the magic doesn't end up hidden and instead integrates into society then yeah making it recent side steps any of those potential problems. You could even say something like My Hero Academia is urban fantasy under those stipulations, it's basically a slightly future modern world where superpowers suddenly developed out of nowhere. But if you want the secret world to stay hidden then I think having it be modern is even more implausible considering the information age, keeping something secret has literally never been harder than it is right now.
@SadMansParade777
@SadMansParade777 2 жыл бұрын
When looking for a good example of the “hidden magical world”, my go to example of this would be the Percy Jackson series. It addresses many of the issues that Red brought up throughout the series. Possible Spoilers! How do the mundane people not notice the magical hidden world? In this series; there is a force know as The Mist, which Essentially veils the truth of the world from most mortals, except for the rare few that have the ability to see through The Mist. The Mist alters the way mortals think and understand a situation, such as seeing a metal bat in place of a glowing magic sword. Why did the people of the magical world not try to prevent or fight in many of the atrocities such as wars? In this series, demigods DID participate in the conflicts. As seen throughout the series, demigods where involved in just about any armed conflict all the way back to Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome. The whole reason for the pact made between the Big Three Gods (Zeus, Poseidon, and Hades) is because after World War II, the three gods realized that there children where so powerful that they could heavily affect any armed conflict that they become involved with.
@rampagepotato4307
@rampagepotato4307 2 жыл бұрын
In Indexverse,magic was simply cheat codes that required specific requirements to execute.
@evancarvalho2195
@evancarvalho2195 2 жыл бұрын
also , "how do the parents of magical kids not notice?", if their divine parent was particularly powerful or attached to the cute mortal, they probably revealed who they were because the baby is a ticking time bomb
@iwantataco6371
@iwantataco6371 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I was thinking this too. The mist doesn’t hide anything, it distorts it. So it’s not like they don’t notice the weird ass things happening, they just understand it in a totally different way. And my favorite is the concept that the mist extends into the afterlife, you perceive it in a way you understand it to be.
@DDlambchop43
@DDlambchop43 2 жыл бұрын
I like to think of a good magic system as it's a gift. And like a gift for, say, music or art, you can't tell if a baby is any good at it until they try something.
@WinterPains
@WinterPains 2 жыл бұрын
@@iwantataco6371 This is actually shown in book 2, where the bully notices his "friends" change, but doesn't understand exactly what is happening.
@grahamoldfield2929
@grahamoldfield2929 5 жыл бұрын
Since spells are words and a few hand waves...... Farmer : DARN CROWS GO AWAAAAY!!! *poof* Farmer : oops...
@tibfulv
@tibfulv 5 жыл бұрын
If it works, who cares? :D
@honeybee4144
@honeybee4144 5 жыл бұрын
*Seagulls join in the fun*
@criticalfailure6464
@criticalfailure6464 5 жыл бұрын
If I wrote a story with magic, it would be similar to that. Anyone can do magic, but, let’s say you want to get rid of ticks. You use magic to get rid of them, so they turn into bears or another random animal. Like wild magic from D&D.
@maxiwaxipads
@maxiwaxipads 4 жыл бұрын
@Graham Oldfield *Mysterious colors, unlike seen on Earth!*
@ednumb588
@ednumb588 4 жыл бұрын
@@honeybee4144 Oh shit!
@torinsmith9867
@torinsmith9867 4 жыл бұрын
Some words of wisdom I've heard "What magic cannot do is infinitely more interesting than what it can do."
@NemisCassander
@NemisCassander 2 жыл бұрын
That's a gloss on Sanderson's Second Law. I'm _very_ surprised that Sanderson's Laws of Magic were not discussed directly.
@animeotaku307
@animeotaku307 2 жыл бұрын
@@NemisCassander Especially when she brought up the problems with vague magic, since that’s addressed in the first law.
@airplanes_aren.t_real
@airplanes_aren.t_real 2 жыл бұрын
@@animeotaku307 what are the rules, I've never heard about this?
@airplanes_aren.t_real
@airplanes_aren.t_real 2 жыл бұрын
Limitation grounds concepts
@animeotaku307
@animeotaku307 2 жыл бұрын
@@airplanes_aren.t_real Sanderson’s laws of magic, which refer to making magic systems in storytelling. The first law is “the author’s ability to resolve conflicts in a satisfying way with magic is proportional to how well the reader understands how the magic works.”
@allisonfox566
@allisonfox566 3 жыл бұрын
"Not to keep taking pot-shots at Harry Potter but..." Great books for entertainment value, but very flimsy under scrutiny. I'm into it. Carry on!
@aaronashley1811
@aaronashley1811 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that Ilvermony also covers Cuba implies that the Ilvermony school board has an official policy on Castro
@my_girl_seraphine5294
@my_girl_seraphine5294 2 жыл бұрын
@@aaronashley1811 They probably do and I bet its bad
@verinha0256
@verinha0256 Жыл бұрын
​@@my_girl_seraphine5294 As a Brazilian, it feels weird that Castelobruxo just means "witch castle". Like, that's such a bad name. And it's supposed to be for the whole South American subcontinent? Like, you have ANY idea how many languages are spoken here? Also, I doubt native americans will ever be addressed even though Castelobruxo seems located right in the middle of the amazon rainforest. Why does Europe get three big magic schools (Hogwarts, Beuxbaton and Durmstrang --- normal Britain, fancy France and evil eastern europe, from the perpective of a bigoted UK woman) while the WHOLE CONTINENT OF AFRICA gets one?? (it's racism)
@my_girl_seraphine5294
@my_girl_seraphine5294 Жыл бұрын
@@verinha0256 It makes me feel rage
@poyobotyahoo7494
@poyobotyahoo7494 Жыл бұрын
@@verinha0256 I know these days it's fun to hate on jk rolling for whatever but I think that in this case it's laziness and not racism
@jacksoncorvus
@jacksoncorvus Жыл бұрын
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -Arthur C. Clarke
@davesmith3330
@davesmith3330 Жыл бұрын
This is one of my favorite (and most used) quotes.
@einkar4219
@einkar4219 Жыл бұрын
and I've got my own quote "Magic understood well enough is indistinguishable form science"
@thmsbarber
@thmsbarber Жыл бұрын
my personal favorite variant: "any technology, regardless of how primitive, is magic to those that don't understand it"
@lucyandecember2843
@lucyandecember2843 Жыл бұрын
@@thmsbarber i love that one!
@Jay-nh6um
@Jay-nh6um Жыл бұрын
"Any sufficiently crude magic is indistinguishable from technology"
@1B1ueyedwo1f
@1B1ueyedwo1f 5 жыл бұрын
When using magic as a resurrection tool/Geat-Out-Of-Death-Free card, I personally like the FMA/Game of Thrones/ Pet Cemetery approach: "What comes out of the ground ain't what you put in."
@facu40000
@facu40000 5 жыл бұрын
Well, that worked until Jon Snow got resurrected.
@betzalysgarcia1479
@betzalysgarcia1479 5 жыл бұрын
@@facu40000 In the show. We'll see how it goes in the books.
@oof-rr5nf
@oof-rr5nf 5 жыл бұрын
@@betzalysgarcia1479 Fingers crossed
@shadenox8164
@shadenox8164 5 жыл бұрын
FMA was hardly a get out of death free card given what it took and all it did was make that abomination who wasn't their mother in any sense.
@minerva9104
@minerva9104 5 жыл бұрын
Shade Nox That’s exactly his point
@teaparty6520
@teaparty6520 6 жыл бұрын
Worldbuilding is hard. You know what's harder? Creating a magic system that is original, interesting, mysterious enough for plot, and works well with said world in general.
@Phiro00
@Phiro00 6 жыл бұрын
Mabel Meehan yeah, magic systems are harder
@cameoshadowness7757
@cameoshadowness7757 6 жыл бұрын
Mabel Meehan Nothing is truely original any more but becuase of that you can take an easier route. Instead of being original, take something that already exists and alter it. To make something mysterious just describe the basics (this also prevents you from having dumps of information at a single time) and slowly add on to it. Or you can ditch the mysteriousness all together and just be honest with how everything works.
@ricardoludwig4787
@ricardoludwig4787 6 жыл бұрын
One piece
@jankrizkovsky9446
@jankrizkovsky9446 6 жыл бұрын
Try Name of the Wind.
@RavenclawDaisy95
@RavenclawDaisy95 6 жыл бұрын
Cameo Shadowness agreed. I'm trying to do this, but I really don't want to have it come across as a plagiarizing accident. Like we all say, it's hard to worldbuild.
@gwest3644
@gwest3644 3 жыл бұрын
Red: "Ancient tales didn't tend to have positive enchantments" Achilles, Fionn mac Cumhaill, et al.: Allow us to introduce ourselves. But seriously, there are *a lot* of overpowered heroes in mythology. But I guess in standard medieval and later folk tales, it became more common to just have the bad guys use it, since only pagans use magic and all our heroes should be good Christians, right?
@_Zephster
@_Zephster Жыл бұрын
Achilles more closely was portioned cause he was put in the river Styx so it wasn't really a person
@willieoelkers5568
@willieoelkers5568 Жыл бұрын
The line blurs a bit since a lot of mythical heroes have some degree of divine lineage and/or patronage that is often considered part of the reason they could do these awesome feats
@gwest3644
@gwest3644 10 ай бұрын
@@liamsteamwalsh8421He has a magic thumb that gives him all the world’s knowledge
@MsMagnolia97
@MsMagnolia97 3 жыл бұрын
“Basically prayer.” As a religious person, this had me howling. 🤣
@justiceiria869
@justiceiria869 3 жыл бұрын
Prayer has great power. Pray in the name of Jesus and you can perform great miracles but, Your can only exercise his authority if you know him.
@justiceiria869
@justiceiria869 2 жыл бұрын
@@gaelurquiz5755 Death has no power over Jesus.
@anthonybowman3423
@anthonybowman3423 2 жыл бұрын
​@@justiceiria869 Studies have been done on this. Prayer do have power, medically speaking. People who are prayed for do tend to recover more often those who aren't (though that isn't universally true, it's more complicated than that). The interesting thing about the many studies done on this topic, is that when observed for the study, prayers to Muhammad were just as effective as prayers to Jesus. Or Vishnu for that matter. Go ahead and look it up. Studies on the medical power of prayer and plentiful and publicly available. Or, hey. Do your own study. Publish the results. People always love to have more data.
@thatotherotherthing5072
@thatotherotherthing5072 2 жыл бұрын
Don't forget to cast a spell before eating dinner and go to temple to cast a mass spell
@lambda5949
@lambda5949 2 жыл бұрын
That makes sense, especially given that it’s irrespective of what faith they pray to. A positive mindset can stimulate the body’s physiological responses, and prayer allows a person to feel reassured in the benevolence of a deity, whether an external viewer thinks it’s misguided faith or not.
@littlearies3862
@littlearies3862 4 жыл бұрын
"How did they open the door?" Magic. "How are they able to survive underwater for an hour?" Magic. "Where are the character's par--" MAGIC!
@FinleyFawkes
@FinleyFawkes 4 жыл бұрын
Harry Potter much?
@Ninjaananas
@Ninjaananas 4 жыл бұрын
@@FinleyFawkes Well, Harry's parents died through magic means.
@thomasthecoolkid7228
@thomasthecoolkid7228 4 жыл бұрын
"How about this thing that absolutely couldn't be magic?" *_M A G I C_*
@clockworkpotato9892
@clockworkpotato9892 3 жыл бұрын
A wizard did it, dammit!
@francisthegreat2517
@francisthegreat2517 3 жыл бұрын
When is dad coming home with the milk- MAGIC!
@alguienanormal3040
@alguienanormal3040 4 жыл бұрын
"A spell is when you wave your hands and something noticeably happens that is not typically correlated with the waving of hands" Me: (waves hands at a theremin) I am a magician!
@Duiker36
@Duiker36 3 жыл бұрын
Try waving your hands at someone's wallet, next.
@Stratelier
@Stratelier 3 жыл бұрын
No, theremins are obviously just magic (enchanted/cursed) objects that react to intrusion of personal space.
@jootsfuneral8316
@jootsfuneral8316 3 жыл бұрын
The magical version of “Behold, a man!”
@samsadowitz1724
@samsadowitz1724 2 жыл бұрын
@@jootsfuneral8316 this had me absolutely dying... then I looked up what a theremin is .... and that made it even better🤣😂🤣😂
@jonc5467
@jonc5467 2 жыл бұрын
If you can play a theremin *Well* you *are* a magician.
@slightlyembittered
@slightlyembittered 3 жыл бұрын
One common explanation I've seen for the "Weirdness Filter" is this: The magical and non-magical worlds used to co-exist but didn't get along. Eventually a mist/ veil / glamour is made to prevent the fighting, or the magical people moved to a different world.
@k.5425
@k.5425 2 жыл бұрын
The "lazy girls guide to magic" , I think, tries to do the urban fantasy thing where the magic has always been there. I realise how the author solved this (maybe) is by 1 .making the magic not so powerful. Like you literally can't get up and blast a fireball everywhere or something. And like using your magic willy nilly isn't going to work cause you'd get exhausted by the third or fourth "spell". 2 she made it specific/restrictive. In terms of how to perform the magic, like you have to learn to do complicated signs just to do basic stuff like "lay your bed" or something. 3. Magic isn't able to work so well or hand in hand with technology. So the urban world she created is very similar to ours but with just a tweak here and there. I now understand why creating an urban world that has always had magic, is very difficult. Especially when I was looking all over the Internet for a book like that. And when I was trying to imagine one in my head. I realised that you'd literally need to take every single thing into account because the magic would affect our history one way or another and in turn affect our idealogies, technologies, our understanding of physics and this would therefore result in a whole other universe that can definitely not be similar to the one we live in now. So as you said it's next to impossible. Since the whole point of urban fantasy is to make the setting like the current world we live in real life but with magic. All the urban books had the magic hidden in one way or another or made it exist in some specific community or town that no one outside their town knows about and even if the general world knows, it's thought to be a myth etc..
@AngelReyes-kr4te
@AngelReyes-kr4te 2 жыл бұрын
@@k.5425 even though I don't know if cultivation can be counted as magic but more of a different system in many urban novels they just make the energy necessary for cultivation(reiki) appear out of nowhere through another world or other various reasons.
@DDlambchop43
@DDlambchop43 Жыл бұрын
I've worked out a good reason ( I think, do not steal) for magic not being used in historical events. the magic system I'm writing is not all that powerful; it's mostly based in perception and manipulating things, but not on a large scale. It's mainly a "magic as talent" style leaning heavy on contacting spirits and like that.
@Sarx-vw5oq
@Sarx-vw5oq 7 ай бұрын
Magic is dangerous, and natural selection has caused humans to instinctively avoid it.
@annierebecca6116
@annierebecca6116 3 жыл бұрын
In my opinion Percy Jackson handled the whole "magic in our real world but shhhh no one mention it" thing really well. For one thing they have the Mist, meaning it's not physically possible for the majority of the population to notice this. but what I really appreciate is that Rick never ignored the fact that half-blood's and the Gods should and would get involved in mortal conflicts. most wars are mentioned throughout the series as involving half-blood's, and the Greek Gods aren't entirely unpresent it's just that the way people view and worship them has changed
@matteussilvestre8583
@matteussilvestre8583 6 жыл бұрын
"A stone that would yell when the king sat on it." Y tho
@blarg2429
@blarg2429 6 жыл бұрын
It was the king's fetish.
@destinytroll1374
@destinytroll1374 6 жыл бұрын
Y not tho?
@TheOtherCless
@TheOtherCless 6 жыл бұрын
So you can identify the true king. Obviously.
@Roggoll
@Roggoll 6 жыл бұрын
Irish Mythology is weird
@Healermain15
@Healermain15 6 жыл бұрын
They started by sticking the magic sword in it, but then some kid nicked it and lost it in a lake, so now his offspring just have to sit on the stone instead.
@dynamicworlds1
@dynamicworlds1 6 жыл бұрын
My friend came up with a pretty damn good definition, actually. Magic: rules that break other rules.
@dynamicworlds1
@dynamicworlds1 6 жыл бұрын
Unpolitically Correct well, more like applied loopholes, but when you have ways to ignore the rules of, say, physics, it's usually pretty easy to weaponize that to make a fragile human organism stop functioning.
@kmatlockii
@kmatlockii 6 жыл бұрын
DynamicWorlds - This isn't far off from the etymology of the term "magic" which was used in Acient Greece to refer to unsanctioned or fradulent religious rites. So, in a sense, magic refers to paranormal forces that "break the rules" of the dominant religion. This definition still holds up in the modern world too. At least in the West, where we tend to call things magical when they can't be exained by natural forces (science) or God (sanctioned religions).
@guythedude6293
@guythedude6293 6 жыл бұрын
there are the normal rules, and then you have so many contradictions that the rules seem stupid cuz nothing follows them.......... like spelling rules in english
@kingalfred2014
@kingalfred2014 5 жыл бұрын
In the comic book Planetary, one character describes magic as being "Cheat codes for reality," and I've always really liked that description. :)
@merrittanimation7721
@merrittanimation7721 5 жыл бұрын
Unless magic is the rules, like in your average Brandon Sanderson book
@mysticmagicsmurfdarklord6844
@mysticmagicsmurfdarklord6844 Жыл бұрын
I disagree on spells being “boring”, I actually like that so much- the concept of someone wiggling their fingers, then BOOM! Suddenly a mouse turns into a dog, or a rock appears, or a villain is trapped in a bubble
@phoenixdan1772
@phoenixdan1772 2 жыл бұрын
Personally, I’m a big fan of Brandon Sanderson’s approach to magic throughout his Cosmere. Every series or book having their own unique magic system with lots of interesting interactions with the world it’s set in, yet all of them are connected to each other in a very subtle way both on a world level and on a cosmic one. I especially like how each unique magic system has a major part to play in both the local world building as well as the much subtler overall Cosmere world building. I love how much thought has clearly gone into it.
@airplanes_aren.t_real
@airplanes_aren.t_real 2 жыл бұрын
I prefer the magic system in chainsaw man Basically a demon's strength is directly tied to how many people are afraid of it, so a demon of coffee isn't going to have as much power as a demon of bats There are also contracts that can be done with willing demons which grants the user partial or full control of a demon's power in exchange for something (usually body parts, life expectancy or just more bodies to eat)
@solat71
@solat71 2 жыл бұрын
Wholeheartedly agree to that. One of the main reasons I love his books. He also has the important caveat that "the magic" can never be used to fix anything plotwise. If anything, the use of the ultimately unknown magic throws up even bigger cans of worms, that then need adressing. (As in mistborn 1 through 3.) So cool magic, but since the magic is available to many different people, the exploration and application of it will ultimately get you into bigger and deeper problems. So he applies a mix of the "magic as dangerous force of nature" with a bit of "magic as science" and a whole lot of "strict rules and limitations" on what it can and cannot do. Come to think of it, with the shard vessels, there's a little dash of "magic personified" in there, but ultimately rulebound.
@kadinriggs6840
@kadinriggs6840 2 жыл бұрын
brandon sanderson is great at hard magic systems
@user-zq2wf7yr3b
@user-zq2wf7yr3b 10 ай бұрын
Yes, the Cosmere magic systems are brilliant! I need to see a trope talk that's just Red trying to explain all the ways Investiture works. Cue the magic crab choirs!
@katze316
@katze316 5 жыл бұрын
So here's an idea. What if magic circles aren't really a part of the spell or enchantment or whatever, but rather just something akin to a diagram showing you the proper placement of the actual spell ingredients? As in, they make the casting easier or more reliable by helping you place everything precisely where it needs to be for maximum effect? So in essence drawing out the circle itself become the magical equivalent of showing you work in math, as opposed to doing it in your head. You can still get the right answer without writing out the equation, but showing your work makes it easier. I'm sure someone else has thought of this and/or used it in a story somewhere.
@souldragonlunar96
@souldragonlunar96 4 жыл бұрын
Though alot are like that some represent certain things, and therefore act as a catalyst for the magic, consecrating it into a specific spell, seal, or entity. Nice analysis Though.
@nobodyimportant2470
@nobodyimportant2470 4 жыл бұрын
Off the top of my head Slayers, FMA, and Bastard Magic Instructor made use of this. Slayers you could cast without the incantation but the spell was weaker, FMA you could do Alchemy without a circle but you were effectively doing all the math in your head. Basterd Magic Instructor the incantation functioned as more of a formula where adjusting the pronunciation would effect the spell but most just practiced the basic form as fast as possible.
@evelynfurbish8839
@evelynfurbish8839 4 жыл бұрын
@@souldragonlunar96 That's just the fancy schools that make you show your work to get credit for the entire assignment.
@chebikitty5566
@chebikitty5566 4 жыл бұрын
This is really good idea, it made me think of magic in the story I'm writing and realizing that the elves of my world basically can math themselves.
@onnnn111
@onnnn111 4 жыл бұрын
I always think of magic circles as similar to an electronic's circuit board
@legendslore3100
@legendslore3100 4 жыл бұрын
“If it glows, it’s magic” Me Looking At My Phone At Night: HOLY SHOOT I KNEW IT!
@X-Ternal
@X-Ternal 3 жыл бұрын
Stolen
@geradosolusyon511
@geradosolusyon511 3 жыл бұрын
@@X-Ternal Point still stands.
@X-Ternal
@X-Ternal 3 жыл бұрын
@@geradosolusyon511 nope, loses its value along with its originality. The people copying the top comments for likes are boring
@AlphaFX-kv4ud
@AlphaFX-kv4ud 3 жыл бұрын
@@X-Ternal this is the top comment that uses this joke
@X-Ternal
@X-Ternal 3 жыл бұрын
@@AlphaFX-kv4ud it isn't. The top comment is one with a lightbulb
@AnimeboyIanpower
@AnimeboyIanpower 2 жыл бұрын
8:28 Red: "You wouldn't ask Isis for help with the Heart-Weighing Ceremony." I find that statement funny because Isis, being the wife of Osiris, is sometimes depicted assisting in the Heart-Weighing Ceremony. I understand that the Heart-Weighing Ceremony is more in line with Osiris, but it's something interesting I learned.
@skeepodoop5197
@skeepodoop5197 2 жыл бұрын
I think the best way to define magic is "The apparent bending or breaking of the laws of physics from someone's perspective."
@skeepodoop5197
@skeepodoop5197 2 жыл бұрын
Alright I've thought of an elemental magic system. 4 elements? Wack! 118! It's all or nothing baby!!!
@Jack-sy8mr
@Jack-sy8mr 9 ай бұрын
**knock knock** ”Physics Police, open up!”
@rowanheyd1200
@rowanheyd1200 6 жыл бұрын
Story idea: mage can solve litterally anything, but must be sufficiently annoyed to tap into their powers. Their little sibling is the only one who can sufficiently annoy them. Insert buddy cop plotline.
@ingonyama70
@ingonyama70 6 жыл бұрын
INSTANT BOX OFFICE HIT. GAME OF THE YEAR. #1 BESTSELLER.
@yellowfang42
@yellowfang42 6 жыл бұрын
Please write this
@ansleesmith1104
@ansleesmith1104 6 жыл бұрын
God this is good
@TGPDrunknHick
@TGPDrunknHick 6 жыл бұрын
the problem is the little sibling can only annoy him into doing inconsequential things. piss him so much that brussel sprouts are disgusting and suddenly my hated vegetable becomes delicious.
@Chaosrunepownage
@Chaosrunepownage 6 жыл бұрын
If you can write this please do.
@StormSage13
@StormSage13 5 жыл бұрын
Science: How the world works Magic: How to bend the world around you without breaking it.
@burritowyrm6530
@burritowyrm6530 5 жыл бұрын
science: *works* magic: aight bet
@someotherworldlybeing3167
@someotherworldlybeing3167 4 жыл бұрын
Science: oh no we don’t have enough stuff to do stuff. Magic: ha *waves hand and makes a nuke*
@digitmidget6973
@digitmidget6973 4 жыл бұрын
Science: *Exists and works* Magic: Allow me to introduce myself
@Ninjaananas
@Ninjaananas 4 жыл бұрын
I think you people did not get science quite right.
@JmonsterNEO
@JmonsterNEO 4 жыл бұрын
You can still break reality with magic, you just have to deal with whatever godforsaken thing spawns as a result of you carelessly breaking reality
@oliversmalley7771
@oliversmalley7771 2 жыл бұрын
I've found that a good way to work around magic being absurdly overpowered is to have it draw on physical strength, kind of like the Inheritance Cycle. It just makes a lot more sense to me, and even adds a bit more scientific logic to it if you think of it as the magic user converting metabolic energy into other forms.
@24lhat23
@24lhat23 Жыл бұрын
“If it’s in a fantasy world and isn’t a mushroom in a cave- it’s probably magic” truly amazing way of putting it 10/10
@chillinvillain7800
@chillinvillain7800 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve always wondered where a “superpower” crosses the line to “magic”
@realjoemavro
@realjoemavro 2 жыл бұрын
In my book, if there's no plausible way to explain it logically, then it may as well be magic.
@chillinvillain7800
@chillinvillain7800 2 жыл бұрын
@@realjoemavro loool honestly pretty much yeah, could potentially add to the world building too
@hazeltree7738
@hazeltree7738 2 жыл бұрын
Magic usually seems like an extension, while superpowers are more part of you. If a superhero wants to fly, they just fly. If a mage wants to fly, they cast magic to fly
@finco3052
@finco3052 2 жыл бұрын
I think there is no crossing line. Superpowers are basically magic
@samueldimmock694
@samueldimmock694 2 жыл бұрын
Wherever the writer wants to put the line. I think that generally magic refers to a certain thing (or a few different things) that varies from world to world but is consistent within that world (or at least as consistent as the world itself is), while superpowers can be anything you want with as much or as little explanation as you can be bothered to give.
@anonnimus4485
@anonnimus4485 5 жыл бұрын
for harry potter it seems to basically be a matter of "yeah, your kid's magic. now, don't tell anyone, or we'll wipe their memories, and then wipe yours for good measure."
@timothymclean
@timothymclean 4 жыл бұрын
Which brings up the question of what happens when other evidence of magic is found. Do wizards clean every hippogriff dungpile or half-eaten dragon snack? Do they hunt down every Muggle who sees them and anyone they told in the meantime before inserting plausible fake memories about what they came across and replacing any diary entries or whatever they made? What about things like Muggle-repelling charms, which give people a reason to go somewhere else but don't change the memory of someone who notices that people always remember an urgent appointment when they go there? What about Muggles without plausible urgent excuses, like most people on vacation? What about Muggles who notice the Magicians In Black before revealing their knowledge of magic? What stops them from running a counter-conspiracy to find evidence of magic and release it in a way wizards can't easily erase? Masquerades are up there with FTL in the "don't question it if it's internally-consistent" category for me.
@amirabudubai2279
@amirabudubai2279 4 жыл бұрын
Who? Who is powerful enough that no magic user in history was ever able to win a rebellion? Who is smart enough and knowledgeable enough to weave millions of convincing lies that don't leave no trace? Most importantly, why is this being/organization doing it? You pretty much need divine intervention to justify such a world. Not saying you can't have a good story in such a world, but world building better not be core point.
@timothymclean
@timothymclean 4 жыл бұрын
​@@amirabudubai2279 And how are they able to continue this flawless work well beyond the end of their natural lifespan, or the length of their own wand? You'd need a bunch of helpers to make this work, and the larger your conspiracy, the more work you need to hide the conspiracy itself. I'm not sure divine intervention would be enough to hide a whole secret world this well...I mean, unless they're the kind that can just say "Alright, Muggles will never notice this" and have it happen no matter how implausible it is.
@kevinsullivan3448
@kevinsullivan3448 4 жыл бұрын
@@timothymclean It's Santa and his elves...
@thebravegallade731
@thebravegallade731 4 жыл бұрын
Remember that HP is in the 90s before the internet became a widespread thing
@richeybaumann1755
@richeybaumann1755 3 жыл бұрын
Re: resurrections as a concept: One of my all-time favorite book series addresses this REALLY well. It's called "Daughter of Smoke and Bone" by Laini Taylor, and basically, without giving anything away, resurrections are a thing that happen, but only under very specific circumstances. Like, you need a piece of the soul, within 3 days of the death, and they will be marked as resurrected. Also, magic is a form of energy that requires a sacrifice to use. Small for small things, major for big things. One particular thing of magic requires having all your teeth removed with pliers.
@YOURNOTSAFEAGAIN
@YOURNOTSAFEAGAIN 3 жыл бұрын
"Don't think too hard about the Harry Potter universe if you still want to enjoy it" Man, That hits different now...
@redman7775
@redman7775 4 жыл бұрын
The catagories literally confine to DnD casters Magic as Science: Wizard Divine/demonic: Warlocks, Paladins, Clerics Latent power: Sorcerers
@samuelfaucett7861
@samuelfaucett7861 4 жыл бұрын
@Redman 777 There's also the artificer (as science) The druid and ranger (divine/demonic) The monk and bard (latent power) Fighters, rogues, and barbarians can be magical but they don't really conform to the standards of magic systems or the perception of magic systems.
@OwlBreaker
@OwlBreaker 4 жыл бұрын
@@samuelfaucett7861 Barbarians have divine magic (but limited to improving senses and self). Fighters and Rogues specifically utilize the wizard's points except being far more limited about it since they specialize in other areas.
@grilllord5251
@grilllord5251 4 жыл бұрын
OwlBreaker Wizard: don’t worry guys I have a masters in divination Fighter: yeah I took a crash course and watched a ten minute YT vid about that word so I think I know how this works
@Raptorman0205
@Raptorman0205 3 жыл бұрын
@@samuelfaucett7861 Druid/Ranger 100% falls into the "magic as a primordial force from the earth" trope, and not the whole divine/demonic shtick.
@k.5425
@k.5425 3 жыл бұрын
What's DnD?
@Mysteri0usChannel
@Mysteri0usChannel 5 жыл бұрын
"You don't get too many babies with a +5 resistance to fire"
@juanandresmendezmartinez8024
@juanandresmendezmartinez8024 3 жыл бұрын
But we can find out how many of them have fire resistance with some testing... where did I left my flamethrower?
@edwardteach3000
@edwardteach3000 3 жыл бұрын
HANS! DO YOU HAVE THIS GUYS FLAMENWEFER?
@AnimeboyIanpower
@AnimeboyIanpower 3 жыл бұрын
@@edwardteach3000 MRRMPH HUDDAH HURR!!!
@chrisc9526
@chrisc9526 3 жыл бұрын
*laughs in Demeter*
@potat8089
@potat8089 Жыл бұрын
I've forgotten how well LOTR music fits with anything!
@amandaharding235
@amandaharding235 3 жыл бұрын
There is a really interesting book series called the Young Wizards series. The first one is called So You Want To Be A Wizard. Basically in those books, to become a wizard, you basically have to be picked for loving to read, and a wizard's manual appears to you in some way (the first one literally snags a character's hand while in a library). Then when they take a whole oath to protect life and the universe, they start to learn how to speak the language of everything, called the Speech. They have to be super careful about speaking it because everything in the universe understands it, but it can change things just by describing them differently. Also, using magic is really draining and they have to be careful of how and when they use it. Kind of like in life how when you're a kid, you have a ton of energy, but when you get older, you start to wear yourself out easier. It's one of the best magic systems that I've ever read.
@FuzzyStripetail
@FuzzyStripetail 6 жыл бұрын
Red is probably disenchanted that her surprisingly comfortable looking chair doesn't randomly yell when she sits on it like that magical stone that yelled when the king sat upon it in Irish mythology (though a randomly yelling chair would definitely make watching television or reading a book more non-sensical than Ilvermorny or the secret magical world of magic as represented by the Harry Potter series).
@blarg2429
@blarg2429 6 жыл бұрын
"secret magical world of magic" I think you mean the secret magical world of magically secret magic.
@CDexie
@CDexie 6 жыл бұрын
Magically secret magical world of secret magically secret magic.
@mattgates8865
@mattgates8865 4 жыл бұрын
Shire music: exists Me: relaxation intensifies
@clustercat8281
@clustercat8281 3 жыл бұрын
I cannot thank you enough for this comment! Now I can actually pay attention to the video instead of trying to figure out what the background music is!
@gabriel-de8yv
@gabriel-de8yv 3 жыл бұрын
Howard Shore is a great man.
@caninelupus8369
@caninelupus8369 3 жыл бұрын
*Relaxation intensifies* An almost paradoxical statement that we need more of.
@MadelynKontis
@MadelynKontis 3 жыл бұрын
I have to wonder how the video is still monetized.
@sylversquirrel4703
@sylversquirrel4703 3 жыл бұрын
I thought it was shire music! Thank you for confirming, now I can actually focus lol
@juliuszsedzikowski
@juliuszsedzikowski 2 жыл бұрын
I've found a useful definition of magic that might interest you. It was created by Terry Pratchett, with this idea: if it works, but you have no clue how it works, it's magic. So for an average person a lightswitch or a remote are artifacts.
@pantuternik
@pantuternik 2 жыл бұрын
Then math truly is magic!
@willieoelkers5568
@willieoelkers5568 Жыл бұрын
“Any technology is magic to those that don’t understand it” Florence Ambrose
@yipeekiyaay7807
@yipeekiyaay7807 Жыл бұрын
This seems actually useful with soft magic systems... But not really for hard magic systems, I'd guess.
@renkitten1
@renkitten1 Ай бұрын
so... an F-45's missiles are magic missiles?
@UnknownWorldMusic2
@UnknownWorldMusic2 3 жыл бұрын
MAGIC SYSTEMS: 1. 6:08 - Magic As Science (ex: Doctor Who, Thor, Doctor Strange) 2. 7:23 - Magic As Divine Or Demonic (ex: Malleus Maleficarum, most Animes, Egyptians gods, maybe even Dungeons & Dragons?) 3. 8:37 - Magic As Rare Talent (ex: Harry Potter, X-Men, Percy Jackson) 4. 10:03 - Magic As A Force Of Nature (ex: Jim Butcher) 5. 11:03 - Magic As Ironclad Ruleset (ex: Avatar The Last Airbender, Fullmetal Alchemist)
@RaindropsBleeding
@RaindropsBleeding 4 ай бұрын
I'm trying to decide if the Dragon Riders from Eragon fall under Ironclad ruleset or Rare Talent
@stargazer378
@stargazer378 5 жыл бұрын
A way i get around the whole "why did magic users not interfere in historical conflicts" thing is acknowledge the fact that magic users DID join in the conflicts, becoming part of the reason why they were so deadly, and the magic body that runs the magic community scrubbed any mention of it from the history books and swore both soldiers and governments into secrecy, usually bribing them or inducting them into the magic community.
@phastinemoon
@phastinemoon 3 жыл бұрын
I could have sworn I read a series somewhere, wherein the magic being used in historical conflicts WAS a thing, but the weirdness filter made it appear as something mundane and plausible, because humans couldn’t handle the reality of magic existing. Think like, if a wizard cast a spell that killed a bunch of people, the filter made it look like they’d just shot a bunch of people with a gun, instead of a magic spell - that kinda thing. I’d love to see more of THAT being used
@imnotapollo4188
@imnotapollo4188 3 жыл бұрын
@@phastinemoon You talking about Percy Jackson?
@phastinemoon
@phastinemoon 3 жыл бұрын
@@imnotapollo4188 No - that uses a weirdness filter that stops magic from being seen AT ALL, not really justifying it.
@Stratelier
@Stratelier 3 жыл бұрын
The other (admittedly oversimplified) explanation is to claim that magic users existed _on all sides_ of historical conflicts, resulting in a net change of zero.
@worldofcardboard3203
@worldofcardboard3203 6 жыл бұрын
I say this as a massive HP fan, but it's honestly kind of impressive how little sense the world makes. Almost every piece of the world central to the plot and conflict makes no sense when subjected to more than two minutes of scrutiny. Magic is capable of doing almost anything and its limitations are seemingly random. The magical school is fantastically dangerous and no remotely competent parent would send their child there. Quidditch makes no sense either as a sport or as an acceptable activity for children. The level of wonder that has to be generated to get people to suspend so much disbelief is frankly a testament to how good Rowling is at making a world immersive. How do you even make a world immersive tht doesn't make sense? I dunno, but she did it.
@kingalfred2014
@kingalfred2014 5 жыл бұрын
"The answer is, don't think about it." - Rick Sanchez
@elijahdavila3684
@elijahdavila3684 5 жыл бұрын
And then she started making it bad
@Sylfa
@Sylfa 5 жыл бұрын
Partly two reasons A) Aimed at children, so a whimsical world makes sense in a way B) It's clearly defined in the first book (but not film) that nearly 100% of mages and witches have a near complete lack of common sense and can't reason logically. The two main exceptions would be Dumbledore and Hermoine.. Hermonie.. Hermoijne... The main exception would be Dumbledore.
@newperve
@newperve 5 жыл бұрын
The magic school is fantstically dangerous for teachers not students. No student died at Hogwarts in the entire series except for the final battle [edit: except for Cedric Diggory] . Going to HW is worth it for the "defense against the dark arts" course alone. The wizarding world is literally crazy and being able to defend yourself is vital. Sure Harry and pals were repeatedly in danger, but that was due to extremely special circumstances and their own actions.
@Gloetziii
@Gloetziii 5 жыл бұрын
@@newperve then explain to me how a forest next to the school filled to the brim with deadly animals, ghosts and what not is not dangerous to students? How many children/teenagers do you know that wouldn't risk going in there for the fun of it or just to break the laughable rule of "don't go in there"? how is it not dangerous to have a gigantic, three headed dog in a room that can be easily accessed by a FIRST year? or having half a million flying spooky-cloth-kissies roam the school perimeters wating for an opportunity to suck away your soul (the equivalent of releasing hungry alligators around the school for your protection against school shooters). Or how about having four goddamn dragons just to have some teens fight against them (the same inhumane BS that makes panem so terrible). Or that totally childfriendly art of poisonmaking? yeah sure... its the teachers that are in danger
@StrikaAmaru
@StrikaAmaru 2 жыл бұрын
12:30 It now dawns on me that Star Wars handles this extremely well: the Force is its own brand of magic, which explicitly does its own thing when it wants to. But... it's also relatively low-powered, and very subtle. (Also, Kreia is full of shit, I believe this with all my heart. People don't need to be prodded by the Force to be completely irredeemable assholes.)
@jacobmonti453
@jacobmonti453 Жыл бұрын
Original Trilogy, yup, absolutely nailed it. Prequel Trilogy muddied the waters a litte with talking about midochlorians and never mentioning them again, but redeemed it with the way they tease the Sith power of cheating death being a great example of how a magic system with limits can be used to move the plot. The Sequel Trilogies though? Yikes. Suddenly you can heal people and teleport items and survive space explosions without explanation. And a not-a-force-ghost han solo. Good big budget action movies but bad star wars movies.
@InventorZahran
@InventorZahran Жыл бұрын
@@jacobmonti453 As I understand it, a person's midichlorian count does not entirely determine how strong with the Force they are, but only how naturally talented they are. For example, Obi-Wan Kenobi had a very *average* (for a Jedi) midichlorian count, yet he became one of the most skilled and powerful masters in the entire Order. Meanwhile, Anakin Skywalker had far less training (and started way too late), but because of his exceptionally high midichlorian count, he was able to learn and make use of advanced Force powers very easily. However, there is a lower limit: if one's midichlorian count is too low, their connection to the Force will never be strong enough to "use it "for anything. This is why the majority of people in the Star Wars galaxy are muggles with no chance of becoming Jedi (or Sith).
@r.j.tammaro8383
@r.j.tammaro8383 3 жыл бұрын
IIRC, a lot of love charms that were found usually are contextualized negatively. The charms were less “make her have feelings for me uwu :3” and more “make her obsessed with me. Make her passion for myself burn her to the bone and flay her mind.” Additionally, a few of these charms were presumed written by women who had fallen for other women.
@emperordraygon
@emperordraygon 6 жыл бұрын
Best advice: Don't think too hard about the Harry Potter world if you still wanna enjoy it.
@berndg6631
@berndg6631 6 жыл бұрын
Great advice, but basically too late.
@jimbrody4945
@jimbrody4945 6 жыл бұрын
Better advice: accept that all works of art have flaws and learn to enjoy them anyway.
@fuzzydunlop7928
@fuzzydunlop7928 6 жыл бұрын
It's a lot like the Jedi in star wars - one person with a shotgun could totally take them all out, but there's enough fancy-shiny so that nobody has to think about it.
@emperordraygon
@emperordraygon 6 жыл бұрын
Fuzzy Dunlop That would be true - If shotguns existed in Star Wars. They don't. In Harry Potter? They do. And are far more effective than "magic."
@Drace90
@Drace90 6 жыл бұрын
blackhole000 Harry Potter magic can literally kill you in an instant, summon the fires of hell, keep you immortal or warp time. How the heck is a shotgun more effective?
@AuthorWorldbuilder
@AuthorWorldbuilder 5 жыл бұрын
I always felt the Dresden Files does a great job of addressing why the magical world isn’t known by the ordinary world: human psychology. Of course the magical peeps aren’t going to be able to all keep the secret, but that doesn’t matter if humanity as a whole refuses to believe it. If a coroner finds a corpse drained completely of blood and with two neat little entry wounds in its throat, they aren’t going to immediately jump to “vampire,” and if they do, their superiors are going to suggest they take a few days off. If you run around screaming that your child was eaten by a demon from hell, everyone will assume you’ve gone nuts. The main character is literally in the yellow pages under “wizard,” and most people think he’s either nuts or a charlatan. Humans as a whole have a surprisingly high tolerance for ignoring things we don’t want to believe. Some individuals might be different, but overall we really love to ignore anything that doesn’t agree with how we believe the world works. As for history and wars and stuff, that’s only really a problem when one side has magic. If both sides have magic, then you just need to change the reason why wars happened. “It wasn’t REALLY because of secession, it was because the vampires didn’t want their primary food source to be drastically reduced” or something like that. You can also always say “you know that historical figure that people at the time believed was magical? Yeah, he actually was!”
@willieoelkers5568
@willieoelkers5568 3 жыл бұрын
Regarding history, they could also "cancel out" if both sides have access to roughly the same level of magic, or magic could be on the "hard" end of the spectrum and so a shaman who only knows what's been passed down word of mouth within his tribe/clan/etc won't be able to compete with someone who comes from a magical society, hidden or otherwise, where magic is researched and documented.
@alecchristiaen4856
@alecchristiaen4856 3 жыл бұрын
world of darkness does this too, added with a very angry weirdness filter. Specifically, vampire society keeps itself secret by making people too skeptical to believe in vampires while erasing as much hard evidence as they can (fixers are quite beloved in kindred society for their talent of tying up loose ends). Mages, on the other hand have a weirdness filter. Basically, the laws of physics are based on human consensus, so gravity exists because most people believe it does. Mages are aware of this, and can thus bend those laws, but risk paradox (reality throwing a hissy fit) when they stretch it. Paradox is worse if "sleepers" (aka muggles, since mages have "awakened" to the truth) observe it, since their disbelieve causes magic to get weird. If they can handwave it, like using magic to jump slightly farther or turning off invisibility and claiming they were there but you didn't notice, it's less of a problem.
@ZelphTheWebmancer
@ZelphTheWebmancer 3 жыл бұрын
@@alecchristiaen4856 There is also Werewolves, which hide themselves from humanity, and they don't let humans see them in their Crinos form (the werewolf form) otherwise it induces a madness called Delirium, which changes the memories to not include werewolves or erases the memories completely of the event. Also it's part of their law. WoD is a great example of multiple types of Wainscot Societies and Masquerades.
@shonenbag6478
@shonenbag6478 3 жыл бұрын
wait, that's actually brilliant.
@striderboy1000
@striderboy1000 3 жыл бұрын
@@willieoelkers5568 *THICC* comment Sorry
@WolvericCatkin
@WolvericCatkin 3 жыл бұрын
"A stone that would yell when the king sat in it" ... I've just _got_ to wonder why, because now I'm definitely going to search this up after I finish... 😂
@Offtask2
@Offtask2 3 жыл бұрын
I really like Brandon Sanderson’s magic systems because he uses it consistently through all his books, even if his books have entirely different magic systems, and sometimes doesn’t feel like magic. For instance in Mistborn vs Elantris vs the storm light archive. In each world magic is consistent and yet all have a definite source, and can trace back to people/unique deities and their actions.
@masterklaw4527
@masterklaw4527 4 жыл бұрын
Magic: A way of explaining, doing, or creating something by means that don't adhere to the laws of physics.
@deinsilverdrac8695
@deinsilverdrac8695 2 жыл бұрын
Magic is why we generally do things we think normally can't happen like that (A fireball can exist, cast it with a hand without any micro technologie or anything is considered as impossible) Firework are magic for a egyptian or amerindian of 1400 bc Zéro gravity technologie are magic to us (yes we could understand or believe that it's technologies, but we can't explain it, we assume it's technologies but it's Magic
@skystrike41508
@skystrike41508 2 жыл бұрын
Ya even if we don’t know all the laws of physics, they still exist and define the world.
@rafaelalexakis9957
@rafaelalexakis9957 5 жыл бұрын
Point, for lord of the rings music.
@Pilchowski01
@Pilchowski01 5 жыл бұрын
It makes me so happy
@AMcGrath82
@AMcGrath82 4 жыл бұрын
They had a pretty popular portrayal of magic, indeed. Tolkien's one of my favorites, if not *the* favorite, for its authenticity.
@AMcGrath82
@AMcGrath82 4 жыл бұрын
@@bozoforce I don't recall the Wheel of Time having any music.
@JackSilver1410
@JackSilver1410 4 жыл бұрын
Half point, I kept getting distracted and having to run the video back to focus on what Red was saying.
@fenelona
@fenelona 4 жыл бұрын
I could not watch the video, I got carried away by nostalgia
@cthulhufhtagn2483
@cthulhufhtagn2483 3 жыл бұрын
8:38 I just wish to point out that D&D warlocks (in 5e, at least) absolutely fit into the previous model. They get their powers from an entity, albeit not a god, rather than from an innate source.
@AlcheaNemesis
@AlcheaNemesis 2 жыл бұрын
World of Darkness has an interesting take on The Secret World, which tbh varies from rulebook to rulebook. In essence, most magic entities have either a huge drawback if they are discovered or have a Weirdness Factor going on. Seeing a Werewolf in Crinos form (aka, the blatantly werewolf-y form) induces what's called Delirium, basically they'll go mad for a while and entirely forget from the sheer trauma of having seen a Crinos. Some other entities in the WoD are immune to Delirium, but all of those are also Magic themselves. Besides that, they are bound to the Litany, a code of honor with very severe consequences if broken that between other stuff has keeping their actual identity a secret. Mages, on their side, are penalized by being seen by normals doing magic. They can absolutely go wild in places where there is no normals (to a point, as some magic can be considered "vulgar" and penalize you anyway unless you are in the Magic Planes), but if a normal sees them doing something blatantly impossible the Mage will be hit by the Paradox. And Paradox can go WILD, reality may outright attack you for it and leave you permanently disabled or/and mad and too far gone. Your smart Mage uses what's called "Coincidental Magic" (Magic that looks like it could realistically happen from an outsider's view) in most situations to avoid being hit by Paradox. I'm not overly aware of how Vampires are penalized (ironic given Vampire: The Masquerade is the most popular rulebook but eh lol), but the Changeling's take is a healthy mix of the werewolves and the mages. Changelings get hurt by Banality, aka the belief magic doesn't exist, so showing their powers in humans' presence and getting that magic denied by a reality-loving normal can outright kill the magical part of their soul if it's bad enough, which is bad. Hell, just being besides a particularly unbelieving human can be toxic for a Changeling. They also have a Delirium-like entity, the Mists, which bewitches normals to keep them away and ignorant, besides have their own separate pockets of reality in which they can be themselves. They don't seclude themselves there because they need humans to feed their magic by inducing creativity and belief in them normals, besides needing them also to keep sane, so a degree of coexistence is necessary. Then you have Wraiths who are essentially ghosts and are very limited in their ability to interact with the world as is, and Hunters which it's its own can of paranoid, madness-inducing, unclear origins worms. They hunt each other all the time, no way they are talking it with the world. The whole being born in families of normals (which happens for all of the above sans Werewolves, as they have Kinfolk) is explained away with how it's outright impossible to be honest with your family about it and how hard reality hurts the supernatural if anything considered too far happens. Recently awakened mages and changelings, in particular, may need a lot of help from others to get through the initial phase, being always quickly assigned a mentor when discovered, and even so struggle to keep their families. A lot of them outright abandon their original households because the situation isn't, as you say, sustainable. Faking death is a classic between recently awakened mages, and some changeling subraces are known for their habit to leave their birth families behind (the Eshu, as their magic nature makes them wanderers, struggle if they have their chrysalis a bit too young). So basically, how you make a Secret World work? By *reality* heavily penalizing the idiot who dares to say too much.
@gustavorodriguez3570
@gustavorodriguez3570 Жыл бұрын
Vampires get killed by the other vampires if they reveal themselves in any way to humans
@theeverlastingman
@theeverlastingman 4 жыл бұрын
lol the “deity” magic actually seems very familiar to Power Rangers, where they are granted “magical” items to turn them into power rangers from a mystic being or a master
@willieoelkers5568
@willieoelkers5568 3 жыл бұрын
To a point, but there's only a handful that explicitly have a higher being abstract enough to be a "deity" grant the power. The majority are magitek, with others being essentially pure magic or pure tech.
@pn2294
@pn2294 3 жыл бұрын
Magiranger in a nutshell
@TanukiPunk
@TanukiPunk 3 жыл бұрын
@@willieoelkers5568 I think they retconned that in the comics. All Rangers draw from the Morphin Grid and the Morphin Grid is run by three deific type figures.
@inkmaster5480
@inkmaster5480 2 жыл бұрын
@@TanukiPunk All Rangers drawing from the Morphin Grid has always been canon, but *how* they draw from the Morphin Grid differs from series to series. Some use magic, some use tech, and some use a mixture of both. Also, it's not entirely known if the comics are canon or not.
@benjaminwahl8059
@benjaminwahl8059 2 жыл бұрын
Power Rangers are warlocks?
@jude96
@jude96 6 жыл бұрын
Gotta love that LOTR background music
@dianarojo-jewell6091
@dianarojo-jewell6091 6 жыл бұрын
I'm not gonna lie though as much as I love LOTR music, it also weirdly makes me emotional so this video was tough to sit through
@demigodgamer8517
@demigodgamer8517 6 жыл бұрын
When I used to play Lord of the Rings Online, my elf ranger owned a lute. I went online and taught myself which keys I needed to press to teach myself the opening theme from the Shire. Can you tell I'm an uber-nerd yet?
@coopermadison6297
@coopermadison6297 6 жыл бұрын
I was distracted by the music the whole time 😂
@Healermain15
@Healermain15 6 жыл бұрын
I was constantly expecting sweeping nature vistas with chibi Gandalf frolicking through them.
@ASBA1991
@ASBA1991 6 жыл бұрын
They taking the hobbits to Isengard, gard, gard, gard!
@uboa8060
@uboa8060 Жыл бұрын
My personal favorite is a specific kind of magic as a talent, that being when anyone can gain it if it's activated or something along those lines.
@rkkwc
@rkkwc 2 жыл бұрын
9:08 i appreciate the refusal to use footage from the percy jackson movies
@LokrowN
@LokrowN 6 жыл бұрын
7:07 I see the Hela scene as not Hela wielding Mjölnir (she can't) but a payoff to an earlier line from Thor to Loki: "You know that nothing will stop Mjölnir as it returns to my hand, not even your face" So in that scene, Hela isn't wielding Mjölnir, she's stopping it, which Thor didn't know was possible and establishes how strong she is and ignorant about her he is.
@MCjossic
@MCjossic 4 жыл бұрын
0:30 Heck the mushroom probably glows with magic too
@Soumein
@Soumein 3 жыл бұрын
It'll probably even recharge your batteries if you ate it.
@joshthehollow5254
@joshthehollow5254 3 жыл бұрын
@@Soumein *Super mushroom sound effect intensified*
@joshuahunt3032
@joshuahunt3032 3 жыл бұрын
Insert Arthur C Clarke’s Third Law explanation here
@clockworkpotato9892
@clockworkpotato9892 3 жыл бұрын
If you see a glowing mushroom in real life, do NOT eat it!
@AnimeSunglasses
@AnimeSunglasses 3 жыл бұрын
Odds ARE about 50/50
@boyhenry1
@boyhenry1 2 жыл бұрын
i wish she had Arcane at the time to show clips of viktor and jayce doing magic-science
@anamcnamara9
@anamcnamara9 Жыл бұрын
I know this is old, but as someone trying to write, but can't absorb any writing advice in writing class. This series is a blessing.
@superskh
@superskh 6 жыл бұрын
Great advice I got from going to a Pixar writing and animation seminar a few years ago: You don't always need to explain why a thing works. Monsters Inc. says that screams=power in monster world? You accept it. It's not important in the overall save for the fact that laughs=more power later in the game, but you don't question the mechanics of either of these. Because in the large scale you're more concerned with Mike and Sully's relationship with each other and with Boo, whether or not Boo will get home, and if Randall's mysterious evil scheming will be stopped in time. If they had spent time trying to explain why screams=power, it would have taken away from the actual meat of the plot. So sometimes, and especially with emotionally tied magic, you don't want to explain it, let alone need. Your characters can take the center stage and make a character centric piece. Or it can just be backdrop. Worldbuilding is hard af and the reason Harry Potter works is because the secret of the Wizarding world is *unimportant* in the grand scheme. Most of the focus is on the wizard characters, with a few scenes of the Dursley's here and there. Yes, you can question why muggles are so unaware of a magic world right in their backyard or why screams can be converted to power, but is it really that important to the core of the plot? Do you stop crying when Boo has to leave Sully just because the power thing doesn't make sense? Do you stop caring about Harry's struggle against the forces of evil because some muggles should be able to tell one another about their cousin who has a pet owl and a wand? I could go on with further examples, but the point is, in storytelling not every detail needs to be explained. If you say "in this world, cheese is the currency" and move on, most readers will take it at face value. That's the *fun* of fiction. It *isn't* our world. It doesn't have to make perfect logical sense to us. And if you really want to explore the fallacies more deeply, write some fanfiction. But I'm more interested in Harry finding horcruxes for the moment.
@ratgirl34
@ratgirl34 5 жыл бұрын
...George Lucas should have attended that seminar before doing Episode 1.
@pepebeezon772
@pepebeezon772 6 жыл бұрын
But strange woman lying in bonds distributing swords is no basis for a system of gouvernement.
@calamusgladiofortior2814
@calamusgladiofortior2814 5 жыл бұрын
It could be though. Imagine the tale of some poor, illiterate fisherman who just wanted a trout, but gets handed a rusty longsword and told he's the king and has to govern a country and deal with all the complexities of politics, international relations, etc: "Wot? I'm a king now? Like wiv' a throne and a crown and ev'rything? Gor, blimy! Won't me ol' mum be surprised."
@squidmansoup
@squidmansoup 5 жыл бұрын
That will depend on whether it is an African or a European mythology ;)
@shortfuse875
@shortfuse875 5 жыл бұрын
What about the Holy Hand Grenade?
@Albert-oo1wk
@Albert-oo1wk 5 жыл бұрын
Putting misspelling aside, the idea of a strange woman lying on a mountain of government bonds distributing swords sounds exactly like how some governments used to run.
@kevinsullivan3448
@kevinsullivan3448 4 жыл бұрын
I'm about to show you the violence inherent in the system! Prepare to be repressed!
@QuarionGalanodel
@QuarionGalanodel 3 жыл бұрын
Red talks about stories where magic is a subset of science but one of my recent favorites basically does it the other way around. In that world the only real restrictions on magic were you need to be able to visualize what your spell will do, and you need to control enough energy to make it happen. The interesting part is when the main character decides that instead of just visualizing a flame sitting in his palm he can use his memories of his past life to concentrate hydrogen and oxygen together before igniting them thereby creating a larger flame more efficiently.
@danakospanova52
@danakospanova52 Ай бұрын
For five years this used to be my ringtone.😂 Gosh it is so hard to concentrate when the sound invokes feeling of overwhelming stress. RUN! And pickup your phone already!🔥📣
@DrelvanianGuardOffic
@DrelvanianGuardOffic 4 жыл бұрын
I always define magic as "Science we do not yet understand."
@JackSilver1410
@JackSilver1410 4 жыл бұрын
"Magic is just science we don't understand yet, and that's fucking bro-magic. When we understand it, it'll be bro-science."
@Pingwn
@Pingwn 4 жыл бұрын
I define magic as some kind of 'power' or something that cannot be explained under the rules of our scientific frameworks. Therefore magic can be supernatural and unscientific or be a natural force or even be explained by the science of the fictional universe but it cannot be explained, or frame as such, by the science of our universe as we know it since then it is science fiction and this actually what set them apart. It maybe isn't the best definition but it is my best definition.
@Resters52_official
@Resters52_official 4 жыл бұрын
@@Pingwn so magic is like gravity, we know it's there, but we have next to no idea how or why it works, and what we do know seems kind of vague (at least from what I've heard)
@Pingwn
@Pingwn 4 жыл бұрын
@@Resters52_official well, we do have some theory of gravity - called general relatively - but the point was that science fiction try to drow speculative elements out of science, or at least at frame like it kinda is... But we meant to believes that this happens in a universe that works according to the same rules as ours. Magic is different as even if it follow a very hard set of rules and is based on scientific principles it doesn't work according to the underlying principles of our on natural universe, it may include them but the magic arise from a new set of rules which do not exist in our natural universe.
@elessar6950
@elessar6950 4 жыл бұрын
but if it's something obviously science: like a time machine with a bunch of circuits and wires popping out of it, what then?
@MarionetteDuAuguste
@MarionetteDuAuguste 4 жыл бұрын
I’d love to hear your thoughts on White Wolf’s “Mage: The Ascension” magic system. Basically it boils down to magic is enforcing your will on reality, but human perception of reality limits magic. Technology works because we’re convinced it works, but we’re also convinced you can’t throw fireballs down mainstreet. So while a mage could chuck the aforementioned flaming sphere down the length of a road, the instant a person whose perception of reality doesn’t include this as a possibility (I.e. someone who doesn’t know about magic and consensus reality) perceives this action, the mage who pitched the pyrokinetic fastball will be immediately and violently hit with universal backlash. So different groups of mages are all fighting to define reality and therefore make their powers the most freely useable. The Technocracy: The mages who are currently winning the reality war. Think a wand of lightning is a taser. The Marauders: the insane mages who seem to ignore consensus reality and cause general mayhem. The Council of Nine: the “protagonist” mage orders that have banded together to survive. They are comprised of; -The Akashic Brotherhood (zen monks) -The Celestial Choir (the Ur Religion) -The Cult of Ecstasy (time travel stoners) -The Dreamspeakers (tribal shamans) -The Euthanatoi (probability manipulating assassins) - The Order of Hermes (high magic wizards and alchemists) - The Sons of Ether (crazy mad scientists too extreme for the technocracy) - The Verbena (traditional witches and Wicca) - The Virtual Adepts (space-warping VR Developers) And finally, the Nephandi: Lovecraftian cultists of terrifying extrasolar entities.
@Noname72105
@Noname72105 4 жыл бұрын
I love Mage so goddamn much because it's such a solid way to go about solving the problems of a broad-scope magic system while still allowing for diversity of characters and abilities.
@germaindesloges5862
@germaindesloges5862 4 жыл бұрын
Seems really interesting, I would read that!
@MarionetteDuAuguste
@MarionetteDuAuguste 4 жыл бұрын
Germain Desloges it’s a tabletop RPG, so you do less reading and more storytelling
@germaindesloges5862
@germaindesloges5862 4 жыл бұрын
@@MarionetteDuAuguste Nice, might as well use this as inspiration for my GURPS campaign!
@MarionetteDuAuguste
@MarionetteDuAuguste 4 жыл бұрын
Ace_Wash proudly
@jrs8031
@jrs8031 6 ай бұрын
Magic is the ability for my brain to hear that series of vibrations, precieve it as a melody, and release some chemicals that make me feel so relaxed and happy
@GAMMAGOMA
@GAMMAGOMA 3 жыл бұрын
This is all true. In the novel series I'm trying to make, I had a hell of a time trying to get the magic system to work in a way that matched the world I created. Once I established the rules and added that to how the characters did things, it became a hell of a lot easier, but it was still a massive migraine. 😵
@TheLordofLemons
@TheLordofLemons 6 жыл бұрын
No Brandon Sanderson? Sanderson's Laws of Magic and The Cosmere would've made good discussion on the writing of magic and its use in creating conflict.
@jacobottesen5279
@jacobottesen5279 6 жыл бұрын
Sprenspren Agreed! He's one of the Masters of World building his novels. His laws in particular practically solve the problems presented in the video.
@justicarl6939
@justicarl6939 6 жыл бұрын
Hear hear. Sanderson is a masterful author.
@bobbyh2720
@bobbyh2720 6 жыл бұрын
Sprenspren to be fair the three rules are the center point to like 99% of all magic discussions so it's nice to see a video that talks about the other aspects of magic in story telling
@taylorritchie6643
@taylorritchie6643 6 жыл бұрын
I was going to say basically the same thing. Not that he is the end all be all, but Sanderson is probably the best example of magic systems and worldbuilding that I can think of, and would have been a great example for many of the examples in this video.
@buttonmasher7615
@buttonmasher7615 6 жыл бұрын
I've lost respect for him after reading Steelheart (I think that it is the name). That book disappointed me. If he didn't write it and I'm an idiot, please forgive me.
@Spectacular_Insanity
@Spectacular_Insanity 5 жыл бұрын
Hm... "Magic: Can't be done" is probably the best all-encompassing definition of magic that I've heard, ironically. I know you didn't mean it that way, but I'm serious. Magic, at least conceptually, is some feat that is achieved by a means that is unknown or impossible by the viewer's knowledge or experience. As they say, any technology sufficiently advanced would be perceived as magic. Anything could be magic if we have no idea how it was done.
@elderscrollsswimmer4833
@elderscrollsswimmer4833 4 жыл бұрын
And these are when the natives of magical society just do it without thinking about it. We use things like TV, computer, internet etc. and we think they are just part of everyday life. Now bring in a character who has never seen those things or even heard of them. How is that person going to describe the way we use these things?
@tarniabook3076
@tarniabook3076 4 жыл бұрын
"Magic is science that hasn't been explained yet"
@walrideralp6275
@walrideralp6275 4 жыл бұрын
That's actually something I thought about when world building for my D&D campaign. In the original draft, the gods were actually sapient machines, and their magic was a form of advanced technology, and the act of acting spells had a recognized, scientific explanation.
@timothymclean
@timothymclean 4 жыл бұрын
I'd probably add a minor aesthetic/informational clause; calling the Force magic makes sense, calling most clarketech magic is iffy, calling wormhole gates or laser guns magic is silly.
@kevinsullivan3448
@kevinsullivan3448 4 жыл бұрын
@@elderscrollsswimmer4833 A sufficiently advanced Magic is indistinguishable from Technology.
@sleepin9713
@sleepin9713 2 жыл бұрын
i love these videos. they get you to think about things you completely take for granted in new interesting ways
@batuhanylmaz3661
@batuhanylmaz3661 2 жыл бұрын
When you mentioned King Arthur and Excalibur my brain immedietly went to an old movie I don't remember the name of. "Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony."
@izzy1221
@izzy1221 6 жыл бұрын
‘Speaking of getting the picture let’s talk about prophecies.’ I loved your segues in this video.
@MidnightSt
@MidnightSt 6 жыл бұрын
language nazi here: it's "segways". yes, the term is "derived" (the same as) name of that funny two-wheel thingie.
@alchemicpunk1509
@alchemicpunk1509 6 жыл бұрын
Language and grammar nazi here: It's segue. Which is either spanish or portuguese for "following/it follows", the "segway" is the weird biwheeled transportation device.
@MidnightSt
@MidnightSt 6 жыл бұрын
oh... okay. I apologize for incorrect correction and thank you for correcting me :)
@Pokemonleafmon
@Pokemonleafmon 5 жыл бұрын
Correception
@mariesummers.
@mariesummers. 5 жыл бұрын
Izzy - Profile picture thief. The nerve of some people.
@legateelizabeth
@legateelizabeth 6 жыл бұрын
You know what's an underutilised form of magic? Rune magic. No fancy words or hand movements to make things happen because you want them to, your ass is inscribing runes onto whatever it needs to work, doing magic is a whole ritual that'll probably take at least a minute or two and if you want to do something bigger or more complex, it needs to literally be bigger or more complex. It's instantly a limiting factor to magic, either physically (just HOW complex or big can you really get?) and in terms of time (can't quick-roast an army if you need a bunch of time to inscribe what you need to do on the floor or what have you). Fullmetal Alchemist is a world where the ONLY kind of magic is rune magic, but ironically we don't see that form of magic in action much - most of our main protagonists and antagonists circumvent this rule.
@itgaam
@itgaam 6 жыл бұрын
Pretentious Elizabeth have you read the webcomic "stay still stay silent"? That's how their magic works in the most part.
@joshuahadams
@joshuahadams 6 жыл бұрын
It pops up a *lot* in Naruto. Paper bombs are the most obvious, being a bit of paper with an explosive rune painted on it. Storage runes are pretty prevalent, too. It’s easier to carry a scroll with some runes on it than a backpack when you’re day job is throwing fireballs at dudes.
@Shiro2809
@Shiro2809 6 жыл бұрын
Mustang is so freakin' great.
@VoidplayLP
@VoidplayLP 6 жыл бұрын
Pretentious Elizabeth also has some interesting implications for more High Tech settings. If the only limiting Factor for a rune is its sice and accuracy you could build nukes the size of Aluminium Plates by using a CNC-machine or even smaller If you manufacture them Like Computer Chips.
@ADADEL1
@ADADEL1 6 жыл бұрын
Take a look at "The Death Gate Cycle". Basically the entire storyline is because of rune magic.
@TheBloodswordsman
@TheBloodswordsman 3 жыл бұрын
Hoo boy. Just watched this over again to take notes on my own writing. Forgot the Harry Potter aspects of this video, and Red warning us not to analyse Harry Potter too much if we want too enjoy it... Kinda ironic now since a lot of people are no longer enjoying it because of... certain incidences.
@pyromaniac034
@pyromaniac034 2 жыл бұрын
This video was actually pretty helpful. I'm writing a series that surrounds magic and there are different types that have different rules, and each type affects the user differently. Videos like this that explain the physics of it and how magic can reflect the theme of the story. This was very insightful, so thank you.
@taekinuru2
@taekinuru2 6 жыл бұрын
I've always liked the Discworld approach to magic. Sure, it exists, and is basically everywhere, but it's also really annoying for the most part. At the high end, Sourcerers and Wizards are basically walking nuclear bombs- there are places of the world with magical fallout and strange places of arcane enchantment happening wildly thanks to wizard wars. Witches tend to keep reality stitched together in their lands, focused more on the balance of nature and clipping forgotten old men's toenails. There's newfangled devices with demons in them you can use as a PDA or MP3 player, they're not very good. Magic is everywhere, but of you use it, things will go bad or the result is annoying.
@ellabronkema9375
@ellabronkema9375 5 жыл бұрын
YES another Terry Pratchett fan! Discworld is my favorite series!
@merrittanimation7721
@merrittanimation7721 5 жыл бұрын
I like how in the Discworld magic is basically comic book radiation but doesn't give anyone superpowers besides the gift of speech and just makes your life unpleasant.
@shadowpod13
@shadowpod13 5 жыл бұрын
I need to read that series... I've heard tons about it but I just haven't gotten around to it. So many books to read, so little time...
@organicstorm
@organicstorm 5 жыл бұрын
@@shadowpod13 there are about 45 in total - and they cover all kinds of themes and genres. At first I was confused about where to start, but except for the few books that are actually about the same characters at different points in their lives it really doesn't matter - think of any genre and theme and you'll probably find a discworld story that covers that.(apart from sci-fi and romantic drama, now that I am thinking about it - although there's lots of relationships and love going on, they usually aren't the main focus)
@calamusgladiofortior2814
@calamusgladiofortior2814 5 жыл бұрын
And, if I recall correctly, by the time you've learned enough magic to summon a naked succubus to your bedchambers, you're so old and have inhaled so many mercury fumes you can't remember why you'd want to do that in the first place.
@tlof19
@tlof19 4 жыл бұрын
Gonna add timestamps for people looking for something specific, cuz im like that. 00:01 Prelude (literally the start of the video, chill) 00:50 Potions (pick your poison) 02:00 Enchantments y Curses (trust me this is hilarious) 03:00 Prophecies 04:02 Magic Items 04:48 Spells 06:02 Magic Formats and Magic as Science 07:22 Magic as Divine/Demonic 08:36 Magic as Rare Talent 10:02 Magic as Force of Nature 11:03 Magic as Ironclad Rules 11:41 The Two Problems 15:08 So In Short
@kusaisama
@kusaisama 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks.😁
@dakotamartinez8310
@dakotamartinez8310 3 жыл бұрын
I am glad this is giving me inspiration. Thank you for this video. I hope you stay well.
@jadenthomas5261
@jadenthomas5261 2 жыл бұрын
I literally cannot get enough of these videos holy smokes. What an excellent channel full of great content.
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