Can we just get an appreciation thread for Trott because he spoke about this vary maturely and respectfully and I’m proud of him.

for being some of the silliest, craziest, edgiest members of the yogscast, the hat boiks also seem to be some of the most open and supportive and i've always respected them for that. it seems bouphe has always been comfortable making content with them and i'm glad she (and others) can at the very least be comfortable with some guys in the office

Context for this: A lot of this started when one of Bouphe's friends, a Terraria streamer called Badger, was accused on twitter of sexual assault. Badger however had a lot of evidence against these claims that he made public and Bouphe came to his defence (after he posted evidence). This led to people accusing her of not standing with the victim and ignoring victims of sexual assault. Bouphe responded by saying she stands with the victims particularly since she herself was a victim to Sjin and Turps' predation (this was the first many people including the yogs knew of this). Gee also agreed with this and these led to a realisation for a lot of people that Sjin in particularly wasn't just a guy who was misunderstood but really was a creep. I believe (not certain on this bit) it was around then that Trott said this. These started discussions about a couple of things. Firstly a photo of a zoom pub quiz involving several yogs along with Sjin. Most (possibly all) of the people in that photo have said they were not aware that Sjin would be there when they were invited and were uncomfortable being there and how no interaction with him. Most of these are highly upvoted on Reddit if you wish to read them. There was also a discussion about many things ThatMadCat had been saying in his discord. There were many examples of sexist comments sometimes predatory as well as a couple of instances of defending Sjin and Turps. MadCat has been refusing to apologise for any of these or even admit there was really an issue. This has then led to him been removed from the yogscast. I think that's everything that's happened, if you want to see it in detail most of the first half happened on twitter and the second on reddit so should be fairly easy to find.

I've always been really proud to be a fan of Hat Films and this really made me even prouder. Thank you Trott.

As outrageous and lewd as they can be; moments like this are all the more reason to respect HatFilms, & for me at least Trott especially. They’re mature when they recognize the need to be, and are clearly wise beyond our initial recognition. They’re decent people, who are using their platforms to give good, morally right advice. Crazy respect for you guys

Trott is such a legend. You can tell he really cares about these important issues, and I'm so glad he speaks his mind.

The boys being sensitive...... respect due lads..... thanks xeno, and good luck

I’m glad that Xeno doesn’t stray away from these important types of videos as soon as they joined. Props to you M8

Looks like trott's hearts in right place but you need that loud smith opinion in there.

Seems like many areas are having tough conversations at the moment, the wrestling world has been rocked with allegations...

Really breaks my heart hearing the people I used to look up to actually do this scummy shit man. I miss the simple days back when the yogscast main channel was blue xephos, sips and sjin duo, duncan and rythian feuds, hat films used to play dayz and trials. Never imagined turps and sjin would do such things.

Thanks for the upload, Xeno! As I don't regularly watch the boiks streams, I would've missed this otherwise. Good to hear what they had to say regarding all this shit that's going on currently. Looking forward to more of both important and funny uploads from you!

Good guy Trout

I feel bad for Lewis, Simon, and Sips. Lewis told certain people to stop doing things and they said they would stop then they went and did those things again when he trusted them. And Sips... good ol' Sips. Sjin was like the peanut butter to his jam/jelly. They were like, inseparable for so many major projects and seemed to have such a good chemistry. Sips is a loving father and husband and as one of longtime yogs I know it can't be painless to find out his former buddy's deeds. I never really liked turps though. Dude was like a shittier Ricky Gervais.

I love the Hats, first and foremost because they just... talk. When they have a topic they want to discuss, they don't beat around the bush, they don't use colorful language and metaphor, they just shoot straight and make their stances known. Though they are brash, chaotic, and unfiltered, they're good lads with strong opinions, and a collective mindset that allows them to sensibly discuss sensitive topics. Whether they split into opposing sides in a debate, or join together in order to support an ideal (with the current situation being a great example of that), they can speak their minds in a respectful and poignant manner.

Being a male victim of sexual assault... Thank you

Trott, the real boik, the best boik

Trott really is such a good guy...i appreciate him and the other two so much. Proud of people with a platform who are speaking out about these kind of issues and proud to be a fan of these guys 💛

Continuous! enthusiastic! consent! Don’t assume, ask. And when someone goes public with complaints of abuse listen to them. Trott was great in this. He’s really a stand up guy with a lot of heart

Thanks for taking the reigns in this absolutely awful time, Mr/Ms Phyte. And big props to Trott for openly voicing his stance.

xenophyte is gonna have huge growth now tho. thatmadcat being deleted makes this channel the go-to for yogscast clips

this is why I’ve watched them for so many years

this isn't just about internal yogs assault, idk if yall have seen the HUGE movement in twitter addressing harassment in the gaming content creation circle, as well as in games industry this is a movement to out the abusers of the world, support each other ❤️ good on the hat lads though, it's good to hear you guys talk about this, your voices are as important as some people may hear your opinion & start to understand the bigger picture ❤️

And this is why I will always respect and admire these three, they’ve always been my favourite creators in and around the Yogscast, well educated and funny, but also teach younger audiences how to act in a way, a bunch of good influencers Thank you boys

Well im just finding out madcat was an actual member of yogscast today, thort he always just recycled others content only,,? Many years ago I tried to call myself a yogscast fan, but with every new person I saw it just reminded me that I was only ever a Hat Films and Sips fan really, no matter how hard I tried to like all the others

As brash, unfiltered and childlike the Hat Boiks can be, I’ve found myself, after watching them for years now, to be so much more understanding and always keep perspective around anything. They’re highly opinionated but are so level headed, wish I heard Smith bring his fire to the conversation. Real smart and genuine TWATS but people perceives them to be the most immature members of the yogs

As someone who has experienced sexual assault, and have people blame me for it or blame my clothes for what happened. I can honestly say this is one of the most mature and genuine conversations on the subjects I've seen. Thankyou, it's nice that this is finally being talked about respectfully. It's really nice to know that theres some people out there who will have your side.

I started watching the Hat lads when I was definitely too young (Probs like 12 lol) but now, at 21, I'm so proud to be a fan of them as genuine, kind-hearted, respectful and good people. Love the Boiks x

I mean, to be fair, it's not "odd" for the justice system to rely on evidence. We don't want a system where literally any accusation results in sanctions against another. Or a system where your case hinges on how convincing you are as a person. There are two primary issues when it comes to involving authorities: 1) You risk not being taken seriously. It can be very traumatic and transgressive to contact and involve a stranger in something rough, shameful or embarrassing that you're going through. 2) In case you do go to court and the defendant or their lawyer think they might have a bad case, they will attempt to drag you through the mud to either discourage you from continuing to pursue a particular case, or to change the opinion in the courtroom. Obviously that's not very nice. But are the any obvious solutions to that? Not really. That's what makes all of this so difficult. It's never as simple as "Just listen to women!" or other popular slogans. Because, yes, of course we should listen to anyone who claims to have experienced something traumatic or illegal. But when the claim is all there is, doing anything about it is nigh impossible.

Very important. Thank you Trott.

Allegations need to be taken very seriously. Skeptically, empathically, and seriously.

I've never heard something so heartfelt from Trott. Very admirable. Love you guys.

Seems like #istandwithtrott is legit now, lol. I'm glad they discussed this without Smith present. Love the guy and all but this topic requires tact that Smith isn't known to have.

I 100% am behind the Yogscast on this. They are dealing with this in the best way possible and I love them all dearly.

As hard as it is to talk about these things, but I’m glad that Hat Films addressed this in this manner. It makes me love them even more, and respect them more, I am proud of Bouphe and Gee for sharing their stories. Admittedly, it has given me the courage to talk about my own experience with sexual assault. It’s like a huge weight lifted off of me to be able to finally talk about it.

Trott is my son. I have always been proud of him but never more so than seeing this! Chris, you have always been a wonderful caring soul and am so glad you are able to show everyone what I have always known! Keep it up! So, SO proud of you and the guys for giving victims a voice! Love you xxx

Consent is like tea. If you wouldn't force someone to have a cup after they said no why would you make them have sex?

And sometimes people don't talk about when they were taken advantage of because it was a long time ago and they don't feel that anyone else would take it seriously, even if to them it was an event that shattered their perceptions of things and still has a negative side effect on them to this day... and they don't want to stir up old stuff. ... *sigh*

Officially joined Yogscast? Timely

Person 1: "Do you have any chicken?" Person 2: "No." Person 1: "Understandable, have a good day." Person 1: "Do you want to have sex?" Person 2: "No." Person 1: "Understandable, have a good day." Sex is not some mystical thing to be sought after, it is just a thing. Sometimes they have sex to give to you, sometimes they don't. Some restaurants don't serve chicken, some people don't do sex. You don't see people forcing vegan restaurants to make chicken, do you? You don't see people forcing a restaurant to make chicken that they've run out of, do you? Some people prefer homemade food, and that's ok. Some people prefer to know someone personally before knowing them intimately. Some people don't enjoy eating, and only do it for survival. Some people don't like sex, and sex isn't necessary to survive. Some people prefer to make their own food, and that's ok too. Let them have their rabbit pie and a wank. Different people have different appetites and libidos. You can't control either, and you can't force people to like what you like, or to do what you want to do. If someone says no, respect that and politely move on.

This is really good to hear. I've watched the Yogs since 2011, and watching everything fall apart in the last year has been heartbreaking. I have to say though that simply sticking to written statements and then not commenting further is just not good enough. I believe that the only proper form of action is an inquest and action taken through the courts. This is for several reasons: I no longer have confidence in the Yogscast to handle things properly; important things such as transparency, victim support and the presumption of innocence have been neglected. For the record I DO believe those who have complained, but the way that this has been conducted has led to trial by social media with only some details available. These people appear to very much have done wrong, but I think there could be a case for libel if people aren't careful, Yogs management included as well as people commenting. So far, standing with the victims has been made up of making a statement then 'moving on'. Non-disclosure agreements are not justice and may leave room for further harm in future. IF there is reason to believe that former or current members have potentially committed a crime, then it should be referred to the police who will decide if immediate action is required, and the Crown Prosecution Service will decide if there is enough evidence to go to court. Anything less is not enough.

Wow just been reading up what happened poor bouphe and gee we need to stand by them it's going to be hard to accept and hell was not expecting Thatmadcat to get involved I remember the shock about sjin and turps and I didn't understand at the time but now I know and understand why they left we need to send a message saying this is not ok

Chris Trott. Fuckin Legend!! This is just one of the reasons i love the Hat Films Boiks.

Trott’s a good lad, Hat Films crew is just wholesome

Absolutely stunned at how professional Trott was, well bloody done. Unrelated, but I’ve been binge-watching the Jaffa Factory series and it still hurts that Sjin wasn’t just a guy who flirted with fans but was actually a pervert. Obviously I’ll continue to watch it but damn man it still just aches to know this stuff.

Not wanting to cause problems for my family is entirely it. If I could persecute the multiple men who have sexually abused me, without my parents having to know the details as it would break their hearts, I would do it in a second.

You’re my hero Trott, you’re the best boi ❤️

I’m a male, but there have been multiple cases of people doing things(I would rather not say what) towards me that made me very uncomfortable. The worst part is I’m sure that these things do not measure up at all to those that happen to women.

This was absolutely fantastic.

I’ve honestly decided to avoid Yogcast stuff for the future, not in the defense of anyone but I’ve been thinking about it for awhile since I barely watch their content anymore and these recent events have just escalated my decision

I'm a black guy in America, and all I got to say is mad respect for that statement Trott. Humans are at their best when we express genuine love and understanding.

I stand by Chriss Trott and forgive him for what he did

Trott and Ross are really cool people

Sensible to do this without Alex.

No matter who you are male or female, black or white, young or old, poor or rich, etc. if anyone is taking advantage of you please speak up. We are all equal and if someone isn't treating you like one then that needs to stop. We are all in this together so we need to act like it. Treat human beings as human beings. Please don't think you have a voice and that people won't be behind you, you do and we are. Bring evidence to law enforcement if you can and speak up, please. Human rights apply to all and anyone who violates those rights must be punished. Read the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights, know your rights. They deserve to be respected and protected, and while we still must respect innocent until proven guilty...that doesn't mean they aren't guilty.

What are the recent events he's talking about

Thanks boys, it's good to have you all behind us ❤️

I like that you put the source in the description!

Alternate title "Trott says some hard truths"

It makes me real fuckin happy to see the boiks being mature when it's important, and immature for our entertainment

Wow. I honestly would have never expected this from trott when I first saw him and hat films make their debut. But I for one am pleasantly surprised on realising just how much of a down to earth person he is Thank you for this trott and I'm sorry that 14 year old me ever doubted your seriousness when I first saw you

Anyone else think it's super weird the amount of zealotry people show for a bunch of online personalities they have never met nor know much about beyond their online presence....or just me? lol

Which “abusers” are they talking about specifically? I know there were Turps and Sjin issues but that was ages ago. Has something new happened more recently?

It would be nice to go on the Internet without being constantly harassed by men, you think someone is your friend then they turn out to be a pervert that's just using you as a toy. Also having to hide your gender, turning private messages off just so you won't get hit on. Harassing women seems to be so normalised , when is it going to stop being called awkward flirting.

Another thing, "it's one persons word against another", of course it is, but you have to realise that the person getting accused, whether guilty or not is more than likely going to have their life ruined by that, it's no good siding with the 'victim' all the time because that might not actually be the victim, and you're inadvertantly destroying the life of someone who hasn't done anything wrong.

Good on you for joining the Yogs, Im not a elitist fan of yours saying i knew about you before the other guy or i only watched your videos but im happy to start anew with you and cant wait to see the content you put out

What a beautiful boi

There's been more major dramas in the yogscast than minor dramas in my real life.

#istandwithchristrott

Big up trott

This is a really good comment, thoughtful and not polemic

How the hell do these guys not have a million subs... They're amazing

In summary: Good things are good, bad things are bad

The age of the cat is over, the age of the xenophyte is just beginning...

Thanks for this, XP!

I love how all we ever hear is hat films messaging about in videos but when they are serious they sound so sinsere

Ok, so....I'm seeing a lot of people dismiss a lot of this kinda stuff as "just flirting" and I think I should probably explain something. Women, typically don't WANT to flirting you with them. Especially at work. And especially especially if you've had very few social interactions up until that point. You can try maybe once, but unless she reciprocates then it a good rule of thumb is that you're kinda creeping her out. I know this is like a big part of our social interaction and we're like kinda influenced by the media to think of it as a totally acceptable form of communication, but typically speaking.......yeah. Just food for thought.

I mean his hearts in a great place, but to make a note on the last thing he said about not having evidence, while it's horrible if the crime was an actual thing that happened that doesn't mean you should just outright believe the victim without proper evidence. It sucks ya but that's the world we live in and crimes like rape are easy to get away with and are also just as easy to start false rumors for. If you were to take every single person at face value, then I imagine a lot more people will just get falsely accused because the accuser knows they could get away with it.

Trott leaning into the main takeaways from this. We should all check ourselves in our interactions with others. We've all made mistakes and it's important that we all try to really be Better and if necessary take real Accountability. I think lots of cancelling happens, but some of it is necessary and some should seem "martyr-like" but it's more of setting actual precedent. These things need to be talked about. You'd be surprised how hard And easy it is to respect other people, especially those who have experienced so much disrespect.

almost out of yogs i actually trust... thank god for hatfilms

What recent events?

#trottsright

I am by no means saying all people are like this, but some people accuse people for attention, or to out someone they dont like, or even to just be a part of something....not that i can see why you'd want to be harassed??. I know some people have been hurt or damaged by content creators all over the world. But, some people need to look at someone like Tobuscus, i didnt even care for his stuff but there wasnt a reason to falsely accuse him.

Smidy must have been grooming his horse.

There are some people, who are out there... behind you...Ready to push you into the canal.

You've gotta takeover from ThatMadCat now

Trott being a bro at 0:00

three cheers trott, thank you! Also, lovely top!

I love that Hat Films are some of the silliest and loudest members, yet they can be some of the most respectful and inclusive bunch. Big reason I've been subscribed for so many years

In case you guys had forgotten about this too. Hong Kong protests are still going Liberate Hong Kong. The revolution of our times.

Wtf happened Miss 2012

As easy as it is to not a piece of shit, it's even easier to be one.

It is awful and sickening, the victims are extremely brave for speaking out.

I agree about listening to victims but don’t just stand by a victim until you have heard both sides it’s a terrible fact that some people will try to use false abuse as a means to gain something.

Most Important thing for me is to reflect on my perspective and criticize my own systems and beliefs, if they survive judgement they get stronger!

You may have to give the authorities access to your phone as well...

what happened?

Yogscast is full of Amber Heard like characters.

FEELS FUCKING WEIRD MAN

I hope people soon catch up to Smith and his unspeakable crimes againts his reptiles.