TROY (2004) Movie Reaction Part 2/2! | First Time Watch | Brad Pitt | Eric Bana | Orlando Bloom

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2 ай бұрын

Achara and Steph watch Wolfgang Petersen's epic Troy, an adaptation of Homer's Illiad for the very first time. Troy stars Brad Pitt (Bullet Train, Mr & Mrs Smith, Fight Club) as Achilles, Eric Bana (Hulk, Munich) as Hector, Orlando Bloom (The Lord of the Rings Trilogy, The Pirates of the Caribbean) as Paris, Brian Cox (Succession) as Agamemnon and Diane Kruger (Inglorious Basterds, National Treasure) as Helen.
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@ezioauditore4061
@ezioauditore4061 2 ай бұрын
The only movie where Sean Bean doesn't die. And miraculously, one with major battles.
@panjinerdmaster
@panjinerdmaster 2 ай бұрын
National Treasure and Silent Hill
@GhostWatcher2024
@GhostWatcher2024 2 ай бұрын
Its rare... but this is not the only one. Oddly enough... Patriot Games followed the source book pretty close UNTIL the very end.... but in the book, Sean Miller (Sean Bean's character) lives... and yet he dies in the movie... poor Sean Bean, can't even catch a break in a book adaptation.
@dunringill1747
@dunringill1747 2 ай бұрын
Another great movie that breaks that myth is "The Martian".
@hadoken95
@hadoken95 2 ай бұрын
@@panjinerdmaster Ronin as well.
@G-Denz
@G-Denz 2 ай бұрын
It must be awkward for him and other people to call him Mr. Bean lol.
@Mustang318
@Mustang318 2 ай бұрын
I love the detail that Achilles pulls out all of the arrows except the one in his heel. Then, when the Greeks arrive and see his body with just that arrow, it hints at creating the myth about it being his only weakness.
@andy4907
@andy4907 6 күн бұрын
😂 that what I was thinking was it the arrow in the heel or was it the 3 in the chest that did him in
@travismorris9303
@travismorris9303 2 ай бұрын
"You're a far greater king than the one that leads this army." Y'all cut the line but it's the best line of the film. Eric Bana and Brad Pitt are absolutely fantastic in these roles
@joshuatamang6679
@joshuatamang6679 2 ай бұрын
The story says the random kid Aeneas who holds the sword of Troy later lays the foundation of Roman Culture. It is mentioned in the Julius Caesar of Shakespeare too.
@James_Ford4815
@James_Ford4815 2 ай бұрын
it's a good story but there's no truth in it at all , and thinking shakespeare was some sort of historian is quite comical lol
@williambranch4283
@williambranch4283 2 ай бұрын
Aeneas was the son of Aphrodite ;-)
@juliant
@juliant 2 ай бұрын
​@James_Ford4815 what is truth, other than what we choose to believe?
@enriconono3638
@enriconono3638 2 ай бұрын
@@juliant An answer too deep and wise for a comment like that but i've appreciated it
@williambranch4283
@williambranch4283 2 ай бұрын
@@juliant Neither what you believe or don't believe ... that is only belief. It is a fallacy to equate X with Y ... without proof. 3 = three is justifiable. Truth = beauty is poetry, not proof.
@joeynessily
@joeynessily 2 ай бұрын
This is one of the finest sword fights ever to be committed to film… the choreography is incredible.. you can also actually see what’s happening and the actors putting in the work, none of that shakey cam bullshit.
@GenghisDon1970
@GenghisDon1970 2 ай бұрын
indeed!
@JohnSmith-wl8ts
@JohnSmith-wl8ts 2 ай бұрын
Yet they made a bit of a mess with the battles, like standing IN FRONT of walls. The whole point of walls is you stand behind them, standing in front was just stupid. Also most battles shown where a mass collide and mix is not what happened. Simply because you wouldn't be able to tell whos who. Instead they would have kept to their sides and gone in line by line slowly.
@fireeaglefitnessmartialart935
@fireeaglefitnessmartialart935 2 ай бұрын
I remember seeing a video of someone with combat/historical experience do a breakdown of the battle but said it wasn't that good. Which is hard for me to agree with. Cuz It does look great, and as someone who has done various martial arts training, the movements are as real as they can be for a movie.
@jovanjorgovan23
@jovanjorgovan23 2 ай бұрын
@@JohnSmith-wl8ts If you're going to criticise the battle tactic be sure you know what you're talking about yourself. There is no neat formation combat in Greece for some 300 years post writing of the Iliad and 800+ years since the events supposedly took place.
@jovanjorgovan23
@jovanjorgovan23 2 ай бұрын
@@fireeaglefitnessmartialart935 A real military historian would know that there's no accuracy when it comes to the Trojan war - the descriptions of supposedly Bronze Age events we have only from 7th century poems describing 7th century practices. The film does a lot Hollywood stuff and many are necessary in the film, but overall they painted a rather ok picture of ancient warfare - duels, raids, battles in spontaneously organised groups, armies consisting of nobles and their retinues coming together, no particular chain of command beyond the noble, chariots being taxies to and from battle...Trojans are anachronistically organised in a Hellenistic Greek fashion some 300-350 years younger than the poem, and there are fantasy details here and there. But in general it is far better representation of concepts of warfare than anywhere else in the film, or even documentary (heavily influenced by a now obsolete image of unusually well organised battle lines of Greeks even in Archaic era ).
@Chetanp1445
@Chetanp1445 2 ай бұрын
The fact that a weakling like Paris killed a great warrior like Achilles is disturbingly poetic
@Stevarooni
@Stevarooni 2 ай бұрын
The rise of archery in warfare.
@bewilderedbeest
@bewilderedbeest 2 ай бұрын
In the original source material, Paris treacherously. killed Achilles with a poisoned arrow. In this movie, they made Paris a much better person than he was in the original story
@edwinsolis5710
@edwinsolis5710 2 ай бұрын
Being fair he had literal help from Apollo because Achilles pissed him off. Achilles caused his own downfall for permitting blasphemy
@mahirabrar9110
@mahirabrar9110 2 ай бұрын
@@edwinsolis5710 idk if I am remembering this correctly but I remember Patroclus actually having a decent chance to beat Hector and was actually even winning when Apollo struck him down.
@pasindudinusha6507
@pasindudinusha6507 2 ай бұрын
@@mahirabrar9110 Oh yes in the original Patroclus was also a great fighter and only lost because of divine intervention. (Which is probably why he was able to convince troops with his act)
@ozymandias3322
@ozymandias3322 2 ай бұрын
Hector and Achilles fight scene in this movie is one of the best ever in cinema history. I've seen it 100 times and it's still fire
@M4TCH3SM4L0N3
@M4TCH3SM4L0N3 2 ай бұрын
Don't sleep on the first fight with Menelaus and Paris! While significantly less spectacular, I have never seen such a salient evocation of the sensation of going to fight against someone who so far outclasses you and to know that you very well may die.
@adityaakaul
@adityaakaul 12 күн бұрын
Late comment, but the idea behind the choreography was that Hector and Achilles were kinda evenly matched starting off. Achilles usually does a whole lot of flourishes keeping in mind his need to put on a show. But he soon realizes that Hector is the best he's ever fought. So he resorts to letting Hector swing and miss. If you see the second half of the flight, it's Hector on the offensive and Achilles just dodging attacks looking for openings. Eventually Hector tires out while Achilles cardio is basically limitless and he gets the opening to deliver the kill.
@M4TCH3SM4L0N3
@M4TCH3SM4L0N3 12 күн бұрын
@@adityaakaul they perfectly captured that narrative; as someone who has participated in HEMA once upon a time, that was my interpretation of the flow of things
@Pochitaman30
@Pochitaman30 2 ай бұрын
Achilles fighting style is a thing of beauty. His unorthodox form was art. No wonder Brad was having a hard time doing the choreography while Bana was hitting him multiple times during the fight sequences
@justingary5322
@justingary5322 2 ай бұрын
I can understand Brad Pitt having frustration with the fight choreography as Achilles being the greatest demigod warrior in Greek mythology is no joke. I really enjoyed Troy as a kid and loved Achilles and Briseis relationship with the Stockholm syndrome captor and prisoner romance dynamic. Brad Pitt as Achilles, Erica Bana as Hector, Orlando Bloom's performance as Paris is 🔥. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't. I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict. Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers. Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution like speciation and adaptation but not macro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word. Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant
@kirerunte1046
@kirerunte1046 2 ай бұрын
​@justingary5322 Jay dyer, if ur not eastern orthodox ur not Christian
@industrialman8296
@industrialman8296 2 ай бұрын
Bruuuh… Mandem copying and pasting his essay now…
@SaldivarMG
@SaldivarMG 2 ай бұрын
29:30 Paris didn't know him but that young man, Aeneas, would lead the surviving Trojans far to the west where they would found a new city called... Rome.
@hrishikeshXXV
@hrishikeshXXV 2 ай бұрын
the "called" made it less epic
@carlogiurizzato2441
@carlogiurizzato2441 2 ай бұрын
he did knew him aeneas was royalty prince and ruler, aeneas father was a first cousin of King Priam of Troy
@inventsable
@inventsable 2 ай бұрын
According to the Aeneid, which was an epic commissioned by Octavian. It was never intended to be true, just poetic political propaganda to connect Julius Caesar to Iulus, son of Aeneas, son of Aphrodite.
@byronabrahams871
@byronabrahams871 2 ай бұрын
I was gonna make this same comment. Thank you. Its a cool legend.
@paulwt9783
@paulwt9783 2 ай бұрын
Paris knows Aeneas, who is his cousin. Virgil took this character in order to give Rome a founding myth making it descended from Troy, and its founders/leaders descended from Trojan royalty.
@Rfcfan1996
@Rfcfan1996 2 ай бұрын
"Beware of Greeks bearing gifts" stems from this very story.
@paulwt9783
@paulwt9783 2 ай бұрын
as does Trojan Horse, Achilles Heel, "the face that launched a thousand ships", and on and on.
@MizanQistina
@MizanQistina 2 ай бұрын
"Don't take a gift horse in the mouth"
@justingary5322
@justingary5322 2 ай бұрын
Exactly 💯. I find it awesome how Greek mythology evolved into Roman mythology after Alexander The Great. I can understand Brad Pitt having frustration with the fight choreography as Achilles being the greatest demigod warrior in Greek mythology is no joke. I really enjoyed Troy as a kid and loved Achilles and Briseis relationship with the Stockholm syndrome captor and prisoner romance dynamic. Brad Pitt as Achilles, Erica Bana as Hector, Orlando Bloom's performance as Paris is 🔥. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't. I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict. Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers. Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution like speciation and adaptation but not macro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word. Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant
@Bossman68123
@Bossman68123 2 ай бұрын
The scene with the king of Troy and Achilles is epic. Acting masterclass by sir Peter o tool
@dunringill1747
@dunringill1747 2 ай бұрын
Agreed
@justingary5322
@justingary5322 2 ай бұрын
FACTS.
@brendonford3838
@brendonford3838 2 ай бұрын
It’s like they saw the scene in gladiators are were like, bet
@technofilejr3401
@technofilejr3401 2 ай бұрын
I've rewatched that scene countless times over the years
@greysea4841
@greysea4841 2 ай бұрын
In Trojan culture horses were held in very high esteem. The Greeks knew this. And it was another reason why Priam did not want to see it burned. And in the final dialog from Odysseus we a hear him refer to Hector as "Tamer of horses"
@danielpeachey3781
@danielpeachey3781 2 ай бұрын
Also horses are sacred to the god Poseidon
@TylerD288
@TylerD288 2 ай бұрын
Ok, I hear you, but it wasn't an actual horse.
@PrideSP
@PrideSP 2 ай бұрын
"The last time you spoke to me like this was when you were 10 and you just stolen father's horse." I get it now!
@SouryaDP
@SouryaDP 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, the Trojans revered the Gods, and thought that burning an offering that was intended for Poseidon would incur the wrath of Poseidon. In fact, when the seer Laocoon predicts that the Horse is not an offering but a trap, he gets bitten by a snake. While this was a ploy by Athena (in some renditions) to silence any dissent against her ruse of the Trojan Horse, this was ironically interpreted by the Trojans as punishment by Poseidon for the blasphemy against his offering. Thus, the own interpretations of divine interventions by the Trojans was played into by the Greeks to perfect effect.
@petrusinvictus3603
@petrusinvictus3603 28 күн бұрын
Correct! EvenTroys flag supposible had a Horse...🤔
@Fernando_616
@Fernando_616 2 ай бұрын
It's easy to label Achilles egotistical because of how he comes across, but in reality he was the one with the most understanding of how their world worked and was really just speaking plainly and honestly
@LMaximus904
@LMaximus904 2 ай бұрын
He understood everything but himself. He said to patroclus that he taught him to fight but not why to fight. Then warned him not to fight for Kings. Then that's what achilles did. He contradicted himself. He fought for his ego and asked questions later. It was only hours after killing Hector did his brain catch up with his actions.
@GenghisDon1970
@GenghisDon1970 2 ай бұрын
he IS utterly egotistical, but is also wise & unlike those we despise with the quality, all to common today, HE REALLY IS AWESOME. Still, the movie does a good job leaving the audience members to decide for themselves what his fatal flaw was or in what combination; Rage, or Hubris (or put it another way, but those are the 2 options in my mind)
@user-dc7mf8pc1m
@user-dc7mf8pc1m 2 ай бұрын
Achilles is a class A narcissist and a shit person.
@testgravityy
@testgravityy 2 ай бұрын
​@@LMaximus904meh, he didn't fight willingly for a king at any point, definitely for his ego/the prophecy of people remembering his name though
@miguelcamacho4595
@miguelcamacho4595 2 ай бұрын
I mean, if you read the books, it was all the will of the gods.
@ianjardine7324
@ianjardine7324 2 ай бұрын
Achilles is more understandable as a character when you knowthe full story. He was cheated of godhood and immortality because Zeus feared his potential. Zeus tricked his mother a demigod into falling in love with a mortal so that Achilles could never rise and challenge his power. Unlike everyone else Achilles understood the gods and hated them and the twisted games they played with the lives of mortals so he set out to create a legacy with what little time he had to overshadow even Zeus. He accepted his death because he aways knew how his story would end.
@micahkiyimba8641
@micahkiyimba8641 2 ай бұрын
I didn't know this backstory. Thanks.Wow
@ianjardine7324
@ianjardine7324 2 ай бұрын
@@micahkiyimba8641 the movie tried to stick with a more realistic version but the original story is wild full of monsters and competing gods playing silly buggers behind the scenes. Helen never truly loved Paris she was a reward given to him by the goddess of love for choosing her as the most beautiful Goddess over her sister who obviously then decided to screw Paris his family and his people over. And before you get too mad at Paris imagine two all powerful and well known petty beings cornered you demanding you pick who's prettier. Every teenage boy has nightmares about this exact scenario. Hint the only good answer is the one that lets you live.
@thedarkknight2221
@thedarkknight2221 2 ай бұрын
This movie has some of the best fight choreography I’ve ever seen. Particularly with the fight between Hector and Achilles. But the scene I REALLY loved was after the fight when Hector’s father talks Achilles into giving his son’s body back. That line of “even enemies can show respect” still gives me chills. RIP Peter O’Toole.
@paulschuckman6604
@paulschuckman6604 2 ай бұрын
Eric Bana is underrated. He's still my favorite Bruce Banner.
@lucassmith1886
@lucassmith1886 2 ай бұрын
Same! I loved that Hulk movie I don't get all the hate it gets
@hardensoul7248
@hardensoul7248 2 ай бұрын
⁠@@lucassmith1886I liked it too but it was too slow and kinda too artsy for a comic book movie. But the action was really good except for the anti climatic last fight.
@jmzbondm
@jmzbondm 2 ай бұрын
His Hulk was the strongest there ever was (so far on the big screen).
@mixtisoreviews6880
@mixtisoreviews6880 2 ай бұрын
I think severely underrated actor. Did you know Eric Bana was a comedian. His big break for his first serious role was “Black Hawk Down” which lead to other movies for him, “Troy”, “Munich”
@GenghisDon1970
@GenghisDon1970 2 ай бұрын
yeah I wish he'd done even more. Never understood the trash talk some had for him, he was great
@Rfcfan1996
@Rfcfan1996 2 ай бұрын
Agamemnon was actually killed when he got home by his wife Clytemnestra and her new man (the Trojan war lasted 10 years) as before he left he sacrificed their daughter Iphigenia to calm the seas before they set sail for Troy. As you can probably tell Clytemnestra wasn't exactly pleased with that so she got her revenge (ten years in the making but still).
@leonardobraynen1524
@leonardobraynen1524 2 ай бұрын
She also murdered Breseis presumably giving Aga a bubble bath! 😅
@pasindudinusha6507
@pasindudinusha6507 2 ай бұрын
Agamemnon is a piece of shit in every take of this story. lmao.
@TylerD288
@TylerD288 2 ай бұрын
Ten years?!? Damn, she played the long game.
@nicklepin7133
@nicklepin7133 2 ай бұрын
That was Cassandra who Agamemnon brought back with him and who died
@DanteVerde-pt9zc
@DanteVerde-pt9zc Ай бұрын
@@TylerD288 I mean there's really not much choice is there? Agamemnon is thousands of miles away across the Aegean that even sending an Assassin he would have a 50/50 for the journey alone, even less when he arrives(if he survives at all) as Agamemnon would likely be guarded 24/7
@jamesteele5726
@jamesteele5726 2 ай бұрын
Orlando Bloom has stated that his Paris character is his least favorite of any he has played. I can see why, not really heroic. Good reaction Ladies!
@marceljohnson2215
@marceljohnson2215 2 ай бұрын
Yeah but I still don’t consider it an inaccurate representation of him as a person 😂. I literally dislike the guy, the only person I dislike more is James Franco. He’s not Legolas, he’s Paris and Will Turner to me 😂, trash
@meadmaker4525
@meadmaker4525 2 ай бұрын
If I remember right, I think Achilles dragged Hector's body around the city walls for a couple of days or something. Psychological warfare of a kind.
@Wickerrman
@Wickerrman 2 ай бұрын
Yep, he obliterates Hector's body till it's barely recognisable. It's horrible as written in the book.
@briandalke5946
@briandalke5946 2 ай бұрын
Wasn't for a couple days I think, but he did do several trips around the city to ensure that all of Troy could see that their champion had been killed.
@tbor1277
@tbor1277 2 ай бұрын
I also remember that this angered the gods. Which led to them siding with Apollo to guide an arrow to Achilles' heel leading to his death.
@hrishikeshXXV
@hrishikeshXXV 2 ай бұрын
The word hectoring comes from this moment when Achilles was yelling Hector's name, taunting him to come and fight
@petrusinvictus3603
@petrusinvictus3603 28 күн бұрын
Is that really a verb in anglo-american language: hectoring? Learning everyday!😄
@undbiter65
@undbiter65 2 ай бұрын
Hector is so honorable. Achilles removes his helm and honor compels him to remove his. Beautiful detail
@theairgat
@theairgat 2 ай бұрын
Peter o’toole gave us such a moving role, his conversation with Achilles is so heartfelt
@tomaskennedy
@tomaskennedy 2 ай бұрын
21:47 "I loved my son from the moment he opened his eyes 'til the moment you closed them." Amazing line…
@DanteVerde-pt9zc
@DanteVerde-pt9zc Ай бұрын
Peter O'toole is such a legend he could deliver a Great performance even while being drunk
@tomaskennedy
@tomaskennedy Ай бұрын
@@DanteVerde-pt9zc And often did, to be fair.
@petrusinvictus3603
@petrusinvictus3603 28 күн бұрын
Epic! Peter O Toole. May the Gods be gentle on his soul. RIP.
@ZeEvilOne
@ZeEvilOne 2 ай бұрын
So here's a fun fact and a not so widely known bit of history, when Paris gave the sword of Troy to Aeneas, who lead the surviours out into the land of what is modern day Turkey, he actually departed on a pilgrimage to find a place where they could be safe and ultimately rebuild, and the place he found was Italy, and once there the people of Troy resided in a city in Italy in which Aeneas' great desendent Romulus eventually ruled, a city which spanned a great empire, ...and that city was Rome.
@havok6280
@havok6280 2 ай бұрын
Yeah... Aeneas wasn't "some random kid". His wife was Paris's sister.
@SouryaDP
@SouryaDP 2 ай бұрын
Yes, as per Greek Mythology, the boy Aeneas was the son of the Greek Goddess Aphrodite, who, along with Apollo and Poseidon, saved him multiple times in battle from the sword of both Diomedes and Achilles. When the Gods learned of the plot of the Trojan Horse, Aphrodite warned him specifically of the plot, and Aeneas and his followers left Troy to found a new city state to build their lives. The place they finally ended up was in Rome (Lavinium).
@AnSaPaRaDiSe
@AnSaPaRaDiSe 2 ай бұрын
Beacuse is not history, is fantasy
@prodigalfraudaddy-es1gl
@prodigalfraudaddy-es1gl 2 ай бұрын
Ite nott history ..its what shakespear said in his caeser play
@Leon-oc4em
@Leon-oc4em 2 ай бұрын
​@prodigalfraudaddy-es1gl the aeneid was written by virgil first, way before Shakespeare
@TBoring
@TBoring 2 ай бұрын
The ultimate tragedy with the battle between Hector and Achilles, is they’re both good men. In most movies when we build up a fight, there’s someone we’re rooting for and someone we’re rooting, but here we don’t want either of them to lose, and while Achilles does act barbarically after the fight it’s understandable because everyone has had their anger get the better of them. We see that Achilles even regrets his anger as cries over Hector. Now some irony that was left out of the movie, while Paris is the one that ultimately struck down Achilles, Paris was struck down when he got hit with a poisoned arrow. In the story the rush Paris to his ex-girlfriend, Oenone, a nymph that Paris had left when he was given Helen by Aphrodite. They took him to Oenone because she had extensive knowledge of poisons and how to heal them, but she was so heartbroken over Paris abandoning her she let him die from the poison.
@khalidcabrero6204
@khalidcabrero6204 2 ай бұрын
"Achilles was so blinded by rage....." Well, Steph, that's the very opening line of "The Illiad" "Sing, Goddess, sing of the rage of Achilles, son of Peleus- that murderous anger which condemned Achaeans to countless agonies and threw many warrior souls deep into Hades"
@GenghisDon1970
@GenghisDon1970 2 ай бұрын
"The rage of Achilles is a central theme in Homer’s epic poem, the Iliad." It's effectively the "tagline" thousands of years ago!
@66JesterDeath
@66JesterDeath 2 ай бұрын
Hector is a true hero, leads from the front, gives great advice and then knows he can't match Achilles and will die trying but goes anyway
@Cream-2128
@Cream-2128 2 ай бұрын
In the actual story Achilles chased him around the walls
@RogueHippie13
@RogueHippie13 2 ай бұрын
34:20 The Odyssey is the story of Odysseus’s return trip to Greece from the Siege of Troy, the Siege itself is part of The Iliad(another name for Troy was “Ilion”, hence the story being The Iliad). Which is why scholars thought it was just myth until they discovered the ruins in the 1800.
@Wickerrman
@Wickerrman 2 ай бұрын
And The Aeneid is the story of Aeneas' journey to eventually found Rome. I love that the story includes nods to both of them and not just The Iliad.
@inventsable
@inventsable 2 ай бұрын
The one who "discovered" Troy was a well known con-man who'd claimed to have found it several times earlier. It's still widely disputed. People agree it probably did exist, but not every one agrees that Schliemann was credible in the slightest.
@paulwt9783
@paulwt9783 2 ай бұрын
@@Wickerrman yes been awhile since I read it but iirc the Aeneid has an Iliad homage half and an Odyssey homage half.
@jaguarwarrior866
@jaguarwarrior866 2 ай бұрын
@RogueHippie13 I wonder if CinePals would be Interested in Doing a 'Reaction' Video to The Odyssey (1997 miniseries) Starring Armand Assante. we should suggest it.
@justingary5322
@justingary5322 2 ай бұрын
I find it awesome how Greek mythology evolved into Roman mythology after Alexander The Great. I can understand Brad Pitt having frustration with the fight choreography as Achilles being the greatest demigod warrior in Greek mythology is no joke. I really enjoyed Troy as a kid and loved Achilles and Briseis relationship with the Stockholm syndrome captor and prisoner romance dynamic. Brad Pitt as Achilles, Erica Bana as Hector, Orlando Bloom's performance as Paris is 🔥. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't. I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict. Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. 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I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution like speciation and adaptation but not macro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word. 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God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant
@Jayjay-ef2gt
@Jayjay-ef2gt 2 ай бұрын
18:31 I don't think Achilles was playing with him at all. I think Hector is the only opponent that ever really made him work for it
@leonardobraynen1524
@leonardobraynen1524 2 ай бұрын
I think its both. Early on yeh but Hector tired and it was cat play with its food for Achilles.
@prashant-bm4fp
@prashant-bm4fp 2 ай бұрын
​@@leonardobraynen1524after the stone thing
@adityaakaul
@adityaakaul 12 күн бұрын
Late comment, but the idea behind the choreography was that Hector and Achilles were kinda evenly matched starting off. Achilles usually does a whole lot of flourishes keeping in mind his need to put on a show. But he soon realizes that Hector is the best he's ever fought. So he resorts to letting Hector swing and miss. If you see the second half of the flight, it's Hector on the offensive and Achilles just dodging attacks looking for openings. Eventually Hector tires out while Achilles cardio is basically limitless and he gets the opening to deliver the kill.
@prashant-bm4fp
@prashant-bm4fp 12 күн бұрын
@@adityaakaul yes, you can see at one point Hector cut the armour of Achilles on the chest, which is the most impressive thing anybody could ever do against Achilles.
@jean-philippedoyon9904
@jean-philippedoyon9904 2 ай бұрын
Sorry to repeat but: Lot of insane top tier actor...but really the one in that movie that is the best in every single scene is Peter O'toole as King Priam. His speech are the stuff of legend and his one to one conversation with Achilles is top tier acting ! What they say too..."Achilles: If i do this, it doesn't change anything. Your still my enemy in the morning", Priam: Your still my enemy tonight...but even enemy can show respect..."Something people tend to forget !
@Bodyknock
@Bodyknock 2 ай бұрын
I absolutely love the fight choreography in the scenes with Achilles, especially the duel with Hector. They do such a great job of showing Hector is a formidable fighter but Achilles fights with such a unique, aggressive style that you can tell from the outset the he fights from his own plateau looking down at everyone else.
@adityaakaul
@adityaakaul 12 күн бұрын
Late comment, but the idea behind the choreography was that Hector and Achilles were kinda evenly matched starting off. Achilles usually does a whole lot of flourishes keeping in mind his need to put on a show. But he soon realizes that Hector is the best he's ever fought. So he resorts to letting Hector swing and miss. If you see the second half of the flight, it's Hector on the offensive and Achilles just dodging attacks looking for openings. Eventually Hector tires out while Achilles cardio is basically limitless and he gets the opening to deliver the kill.
@no.1spectator39
@no.1spectator39 2 ай бұрын
Paris was shot with a poison arrow by an archer named Philoctetes right after he shot Achilles, but is not shown in the movie.
@kingscorpion7346
@kingscorpion7346 2 ай бұрын
"Beware Greeks bearing gifts." and in Star Trek: "Beware Romulans bearing gifts." I wish that they had made a sequel to this, about Odysseus' trip home, starring Sean Bean.
@prashant-bm4fp
@prashant-bm4fp 2 ай бұрын
That would be a grand scale movie which include lots of CGI
@kingscorpion7346
@kingscorpion7346 2 ай бұрын
@@prashant-bm4fp well, get the geniuses at ToHo, the ones that worked on Godzilla Minus One on the job!🤩
@briandalke5946
@briandalke5946 2 ай бұрын
It likely would have been difficult given the Odyssey is heavy 'monster of the week' storywise and they were going for realism. But still would have loved to see it given the amazing job Sean Bean did in the role. He's one of the very few actors who seemed to have read the myths and use them in his portrayal.
@petrusinvictus3603
@petrusinvictus3603 28 күн бұрын
Yes my friend I totally agree! At home Ithica Sean Bean kills all the men who tried to marry "widow"!
@pavinpillai
@pavinpillai 2 ай бұрын
The biggest villain in the whole film was Paris. Always the coward, first brought Helen to Troy so thousands could die trying to save him, then challenged someone whom he could never beat and fell on his brother's feet to save him and finally killed Achilles who actually saved his cousin. Dude even got a happy ending with Helen🤦‍♂
@bankai786
@bankai786 2 ай бұрын
True. All men were brave except that treacherous greek and Cowardly Paris. I wish Hector and Achilles become friend in their afterlife. After learning about Paris, now i hate love stories and Paris city 🤣. That f*cking coward should've got his ch*pped off in the first scene. So all of this war would be avoided.
@sambit2901singh
@sambit2901singh Ай бұрын
indeed...sad truth of life.... even in the world we live in, more often than not its the cowards who have the happy endings ...no pun intended🙏
@naimjacobs2372
@naimjacobs2372 Ай бұрын
Facts
@matthewcostello3530
@matthewcostello3530 2 ай бұрын
it's the beginning of the 10 yrs trip back to Ithaca called the Odyssey
@GhostWatcher2024
@GhostWatcher2024 2 ай бұрын
The really important part of this movie.... Is that Sean Bean lived.
@Desertfox201
@Desertfox201 2 ай бұрын
The one time Sean Bean doesn't die everyone else does.
@leonardobraynen1524
@leonardobraynen1524 2 ай бұрын
😂
@seanbumstead1250
@seanbumstead1250 2 ай бұрын
Hector knows he goes to die,but he's not afraid
@undbiter65
@undbiter65 2 ай бұрын
Idk about not afraid. But duty compels him to. So he does it.
@hkdarthcadeus1555
@hkdarthcadeus1555 2 ай бұрын
He was afraid. He just went anyway. Thats bravery boys
@MerryTree-ce5ok
@MerryTree-ce5ok 2 ай бұрын
He is more stupid than brave......he should have warned Achilles to Return and killed him if Achilles refused to Return. Fate of the Kingdom is more important than Fate of a Single person.
@ilipap3695
@ilipap3695 2 ай бұрын
you don't have read Iliad of course
@MerryTree-ce5ok
@MerryTree-ce5ok 2 ай бұрын
@@ilipap3695 I am responding on the basis of the movie, and the Iliad has many versions.
@Jimbobwalton-iq1ij
@Jimbobwalton-iq1ij 2 ай бұрын
As the son of Peleus, a human father, and a divine mother, the sea goddess Thetis, Achilles was mortal. However, Thetis tried to make him at least invulnerable and immersed him in the river Styx, which separates the underworld from the upper world. However, the spot on Achilles' heel where she held his hand remained unmarred by the river's water and thus became the only vulnerable spot. In the best-known versions of Achilles' death, he was struck in the vulnerable Achilles' heel by Apollo himself or by a perhaps poisoned arrow from Paris, which was directed by Apollo. Thus the Achilles' heel from mythology became the namesake of the human Achilles tendon. It's a pity that the gods don't play an important role in the movie, because they are, but that would be too much for a movie. Greetings from Germany
@renee7407
@renee7407 2 ай бұрын
Hector’s death was so sad, Eric Bana was perfect. I was a huge fan of Brad Pitt in the 90’s and was kinda over him when this movie came out, needless to say he was great as well! Great reaction!!!
@marceljohnson2215
@marceljohnson2215 2 ай бұрын
I consider Achilles to be Brad’s best character honestly and yeah Eric Bana is great and a bit underrated
@parsman9914
@parsman9914 2 ай бұрын
In Iliad Menelaus actually survived and took Helen back to Sparta.
@Elnis888
@Elnis888 2 ай бұрын
The fight between Achilles and Hector is - for my money - the best melee fight in a fantasy/historic film. The build-up, the characterization, the dance-like choreography, the use of shields and weapons, the tension ... all absolutely top tier! To me, this film just seems to be generally underrated. Also: I would vote Hector (as portrayed by Eric Bana) one of the best blockbuster movie role-models for young men. If you want to be a classically "good man", look to Hector.
@thedarknesscallingme
@thedarknesscallingme 2 ай бұрын
The Illiad's actual story is far darker: 1 - Helen goes with Paris pretty much out of boredom and was merely using Paris for fun 2 - After the duel between Menalus and Paris, Helen chastises him as a weakling and a coward 3- Menalus survives the Torjan War and Helen asks for his forgiveness, which he grants and they sail home 4- The Trojan War actually went on for 10 years before they decided to build the horse as a way of getting inside the city 5 - Patriclus was Achilles' lover not his cousin 6 - Agamemnon sacrificed his young daughter to ask Poseidon to makes the seas calm so the ships could sail without issue. 7 - When Agamemnon returned home he was murdered by his wife and her lover 8 - Odysseus goes on his own great journey to reach home after the war ends (The Odyssey) and along the way he visits the underworld and meets the ghost of Achilles who tells him that he was wrong to have gone to war, that although the world will forever know his name it wasnt worth the price of fame.
@brawly
@brawly 2 ай бұрын
This movie is one of the most stacked movies ever. Just an insane cast of people who had either already been huge then or blew up in fame after.
@michaelriddick7116
@michaelriddick7116 2 ай бұрын
"HEEECTOOOOOOR!!!" 😮 Goosebumps EVERYTIME!!! LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOO!! 💪😎💪
@michaelriddick7116
@michaelriddick7116 2 ай бұрын
The over the Hector's shoulder camera shot, showing 15:18 Achilles standing there waiting is PERFECT! He's intimidating AF!!! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
@michaelriddick7116
@michaelriddick7116 2 ай бұрын
Great reaction you two!! Glad ya'll liked it! 😊
@Vulcanerd
@Vulcanerd 2 ай бұрын
"Everybody hold in your pee, poops and farts!" is what I tell my body when I'm on a date 😂
@SouryaDP
@SouryaDP 2 ай бұрын
I know people might not like Paris for killing Achilles, but the thing is, from his point of view, Achilles mercilessly killed Hector and dragged the body behind his chariot. Here Achilles was, in a beautiful target position, and Paris avenged his brother. That’s the thing about this story, each of the main characters has a motivation which we stand behind (except Agamemnon, who was downright greedy and power hungry, but it was true to the source material, where he was just as bad as well). You can take anyone’s side in this story, and still feel satisfied about it….
@senzanome7302
@senzanome7302 2 ай бұрын
Exactly, I don’t even like Paris but I would never hate him for killing Achilles, from his pov all he is as killer and a monster, capable of no feelings no love, no mercy. Also in that moment he might’ve thought Achilles was about to take her slave or something bad to her so he had to make a quick decision
@John-ir4id
@John-ir4id 2 ай бұрын
In my opinion, Paris was a fool whose actions caused just about everything to follow. Arrogant enough to break a peace treaty for lust and too cowardly to accept the consequences of his actions when he was beaten by the stronger man, even hiding behind his brother and getting him killed and then hiding behind the walls for the rest of the film and sniping at Achilles to defeat him.
@veronventris2726
@veronventris2726 2 ай бұрын
He can't fight war, but wants girl. Such a loser and shoots arrows from the back when someone is not fighting him. Such a shit guy....
@vinsanity40k
@vinsanity40k 2 ай бұрын
makes you wonder if he really did incur the wrath of apollo
@John-ir4id
@John-ir4id 2 ай бұрын
@@vinsanity40k No. No it doesn't. The Gods do not exist.
@cosimodemedici1530
@cosimodemedici1530 2 ай бұрын
Agamemnon didn't die in Troy, he was killed when he returned home by his wife Clytemnestra and her new lover Aegisthus
@khalidcabrero6204
@khalidcabrero6204 2 ай бұрын
I dislike the modern usage of the term "tragedy" to mean any generic bad event, including diseases & natural disasters, external forces beyond our fault and control. You have it right - for the Greeks, "tragedy" is self-inflicted, usually by idiocy, hubris and mistakes. Tragedy is a human drama, what makes it "tragic" is that it is driven by avoidable errors and misunderstandings.
@RogueHippie13
@RogueHippie13 2 ай бұрын
29:35 Aeneas is a cousin to Hector & Paris, and supposedly the ancestor of Remus & Romulus who founded Rome
@inventsable
@inventsable 2 ай бұрын
Not "supposedly" at all. Just the plot of the Aeneid, a poem commissioned by Octavian to prove he had lineage from Aphrodite. It was political propaganda and never intended to be true even at the time it was written.
@bugzy510_
@bugzy510_ 2 ай бұрын
Paris was the real villain.
@marceljohnson2215
@marceljohnson2215 2 ай бұрын
😂yeah he was worse than Agamemnon. A man who can’t control his lust that ruined his family and country
@sohelmulla1998
@sohelmulla1998 Ай бұрын
Yeah i hated him so much in this movie because of one girl hundred of people died
@paulschmick869
@paulschmick869 2 ай бұрын
There should be a drinking game for every time Steph says "devastating".😊
@solar2k6
@solar2k6 2 ай бұрын
Let the record show that Briseis literally had Achilles under her blade and could’ve potentially ended the war and saved hectors life but instead chose the 🍆
@leonardobraynen1524
@leonardobraynen1524 2 ай бұрын
😂 Woman's weakness
@rajrohil
@rajrohil 2 ай бұрын
Further info: Apollo, the god of archery, guided Paris' arrows to strike down Achilles knowing his one weakness is his heel. Now you know why Eudoros tells Achilles "Apollo sees everything. Perhaps, it is not wise to offend him."
@inquisitordalius3388
@inquisitordalius3388 2 ай бұрын
Achilles had 2 known sons, Pyrrhus and Oneiros. Pyrrhus, also known as Neoptolemus, entered into the Trojan War and is attributed to many deeds during that time. He went on to have a son, Molossus, and down the line a ways (after several generations) had a daughter, Olympia, who was the mother of Alexander the Great.
@GouravSharma-wp9tq
@GouravSharma-wp9tq 2 ай бұрын
Achilles took her out of the priesthood! 😂😂😂😂😂
@ambikasankarguru8537
@ambikasankarguru8537 2 ай бұрын
Young men die and old men take the credit
@bewilderedbeest
@bewilderedbeest 2 ай бұрын
Menelaus was not a Spartan. He and his brother Agamemnon were natives of Mycenae and members of the Mycenaean royal family. Menelaus became king of Sparta after marrying Helen, who was the stepdaughter of King Tyndareus of Sparta. This movie depicted Menelaus and Agamemnon as villains, but in the myths, the brothers are usually presented as heroes. Agamemnon didn't force the Greek kings to come to Troy. They came because they had all sworn an oath to Tyndareus that if Helen was ever kidnapped, they would all come together to rescue her.
@javierramosviscarra4620
@javierramosviscarra4620 2 ай бұрын
Sweet fact: Aeneas (the random kid who recieve from Paris the sword of Troy at the end of the movie) will eventually be one of the founders of Rome in the myths, so yeah, he become very important after the Troy war
@jessm.porthos
@jessm.porthos 2 ай бұрын
I remember from an interview Brad Pitt did that when he and Eric Bana were practicing for their fight … every time one of them messed/accidentally hit the other they had to make a donation to the charity of the others choosing lol.
@prashant-bm4fp
@prashant-bm4fp 2 ай бұрын
And Brad Pitt was the one who gave all the charity😂😂😂😂😂
@SammyxSweetheart.02
@SammyxSweetheart.02 2 ай бұрын
Briseis 2:44 3:17 3:36 4:12 4:27 4:40 4:49 12:50 Hector vs Achilles16:30 17:21 18:30 Father visiting achilles 20:55 22:15 “U gave me peace in a lifetime of war” 32:36
@TheRealZAD
@TheRealZAD 2 ай бұрын
AHHHH I'm so glad y'all reacted to this movie. I love it SO MUCH! Has such pristine acting in it and one of my ALL TIME Favorite movie quotes. Love It! I didn't realize it had been 20 years since it had came out, but THANKFULLY, 20 years later, we have the PERFECT soundbite to play, in a moment that I've been thinking it For Years!!!! When Hector took off that helmet and realized it wasn't Achilles he killed, his facial expression said, "This is when he knew, he f***ed up. " 😂😂😂 He looked so defeated like...DAMN! And I'm so glad we had the Priam and Achilles scene in the movie. Even though I knew he was in Full Rage Mode when he killed Hector and desecrated his body, it took Priam to bring back out his humanity, and when all the adrenaline of the day was gone and Achilles wept over Hector's body, it was a great way to notate, "Ok. He's back. This is the Achilles we like." And the,"I'll see you soon, Brother," line to Hector...👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
@jamielee7943
@jamielee7943 2 ай бұрын
I love this movie! Really glad you girls enjoyed it too. As an Australian I have been a fan of Eric Bana for a long time. Such an underrated actor but one of my faves. He’s pitch perfect in Troy. Hector is such an epic character. This is probably my favourite Brad Pitt movie. He’s so great as Achilles! Both of them are legendary in Troy. I adore Rose Byrne as Briseis. I love the romance between her & Achilles. “You gave me peace in a lifetime of war” always hits me in the feels 😍 Peter O’Toole is one of the greatest actors to ever walk the earth. The scene between him & Brad Pitt is just so damn good. I don’t care how historically accurate it is… I accept the movie for what it is. What a cast!!!! What a story!!!! Fantastic film!!!!!
@chadbailey7038
@chadbailey7038 2 ай бұрын
Hector v. Achilles, One of the BEST fight scenes in a film, still til this day! 👏🏾 😤. Great reaction ladies!
@baronvg
@baronvg 2 ай бұрын
Man, it’s so sad there was never an Odyssey sequel starring Sean Bean. I can only take comfort knowing it probably exists in a parallel universe lol
@kevinsmith4429
@kevinsmith4429 2 ай бұрын
In the original story Achilles only weak spot was his heel. That came from his mother dipping him in a spring of magical waters. The only place that was not touched was where she held him , his heel.That is here the term "Achilles heel" comes from & is still used today.
@No1Knows
@No1Knows 2 ай бұрын
Who else won't watch a channel's split reaction to a single movie until all parts have been posted?
@spelaeologus
@spelaeologus 2 ай бұрын
Great reaction -- both of you! What an epic! Talking about what we now call, A Greek Tragedy -- wow! The acting was amazing, full of current and upcoming stars, and the story gets people interested in ancient history in a way few movies can or have ever done. Thanks for sharing this -- so what's next?
@Ragsit
@Ragsit 2 ай бұрын
Is it strange that in ancient india , there was a great battle Mahabharata, duryodhana was made immortal by his mother's powers but his thighs were his weakness. Like Achilles heel. Hindus also burn the dead. But what shocked me was when Achilles said we mourn for 12 days and no war untill then,,, exactly what we practice even today. We grieve for 12 days and 13th day is feast of mourning. So many parallel between greek and indian mythology, its crazy.
@vishmoon
@vishmoon 2 ай бұрын
Yes we survived our ancient culture but Greeks and Egyptian didn't
@saylosrelyks8645
@saylosrelyks8645 2 ай бұрын
The fight scene between Hector and Achilles is so freaking cool and it has some amazing choreography, a literal dance of warriors. The film does a good job at making you root for both of them, Hector is a great man and Achilles is a great warrior and they are easily the best written characters in the film, also yes this was young Odysseus, the battle of Troy was before his exploits with the Cyclops and such.
@bewilderedbeest
@bewilderedbeest 2 ай бұрын
To be fair to Helen, she had no choice, because Aphrodite cast a love spell over her, making her fall in love with Paris against her will. This movie took a lot of artistic license with the original source material. Helen and Menelaus were actually happily married. Helen inherited the throne of Sparta from her stepfather King Tyndareus and Menelaus became King of Sparta through marriage to Helen. If Helen hadn't been enchanted by Aphrodite she would not have run off with the very vain, shallow, cowardly Paris, who died during the war, while Menelaus took Helen home to Troy, and forgave her for running off with Paris..
@Kickinthescience
@Kickinthescience 2 ай бұрын
It’s amazing how easily this war could’ve been avoided
@bcn1gh7h4wk
@bcn1gh7h4wk 2 ай бұрын
to put things in perspective, the physics behind Achilles's performance with his shield wouldn't be written and understood until several hundred years later. rotation of bodies, leverage, balance, momentum, etc, all physical principles that lead to advanced ballistics and siege weaponry... Achilles here was so skilled and dedicated to training, he unlocked the next research tree.
@Harsh12351
@Harsh12351 2 ай бұрын
Achara trying to defend Helen at the end and them fumbling along the way 😂
@joshuacampbell7493
@joshuacampbell7493 2 ай бұрын
Now, watch Brad Pitt again in Fury & World War Z. It's totally worth it 👌.
@beeseees1662
@beeseees1662 2 ай бұрын
Everyone's seen wwz
@joshuacampbell7493
@joshuacampbell7493 2 ай бұрын
@@beeseees1662 yeah, but not Cinepals yet.
@carlogiurizzato2441
@carlogiurizzato2441 2 ай бұрын
legends of the fall
@hardensoul7248
@hardensoul7248 2 ай бұрын
Legends of the Fall and World War Z! Agree! Meet Joe Black is underrated!
@joshuabillones5355
@joshuabillones5355 2 ай бұрын
How bout The Curious Case of Benjamin Button.
@jackwalsh6758
@jackwalsh6758 2 ай бұрын
I recommend The Last of the Mohicans (1992) by Michael Mann, starring Daniel Day-Lewis and Madeleine Stowe.
@charleshartley9597
@charleshartley9597 2 ай бұрын
Yes! Strong second this recommendation! Such a great film.
@leonardobraynen1524
@leonardobraynen1524 2 ай бұрын
Awesome movie
@Little-Larry777
@Little-Larry777 2 ай бұрын
I too hate the Grey-hair, and before I put him under the knife . . .
@MITAKA9
@MITAKA9 2 ай бұрын
The random kid is Aeneas, whose descendants are Romulus and Remus, founders of Rome.
@Satyam2105
@Satyam2105 2 ай бұрын
I studied literature in my undergrads. I watched this for my Greek Mythology paper. What a performance!
@ScottTrolls
@ScottTrolls 2 ай бұрын
the trojan war took about 10 years. and it didn't take 12 days after the death of Hector before the Horse. they made it look like the war took 15 days.
@dantekhavary9295
@dantekhavary9295 2 ай бұрын
Wow 10 years thanks for the info
@prashant-bm4fp
@prashant-bm4fp 2 ай бұрын
Main wars happened after 10 years
@DanIel-fl1vc
@DanIel-fl1vc 2 ай бұрын
The premise is traditional, hero/villain fighting over a princess. But that's dropped early and instead starts an epic family drama. You killed my brother, you killed my cousin, you killed my son, you killed my husband. A lot of emotions back and forth and then a final battle where everyone dies except the culprit Paris and the priestess. Could easily turn it into a sitcom about quarreling neighbors. Considering what it is on paper the film makers did a really good job with it. I think it'd be very difficult to do it better
@ineedpowers5151
@ineedpowers5151 2 ай бұрын
In the actual Illiad Paris do die right after killing Achilles
@DavidArriola
@DavidArriola 2 ай бұрын
16:36 I am so glad you are watching the version with the original soundtrack. The Bluray version (director's cut) butchered the score during Hector vs Achiles duel.
@namansinghnegi8931
@namansinghnegi8931 2 ай бұрын
As per Iliad the seige of Troy lasted for 10 years. This movie squeezes the entire thing and paints Achilles in a very positive light.
@mbrooks1991
@mbrooks1991 2 ай бұрын
Lord Stark and Jeor Mormont in the same movie
@mmaheshwary
@mmaheshwary 2 ай бұрын
You would never think Lord Stark would stab Mormont in the back, but we have proof.
@mbrooks1991
@mbrooks1991 2 ай бұрын
@@mmaheshwary I know right
@tooluser
@tooluser 2 ай бұрын
I think you two would really enjoy reacting to Ridley Scott's Kingdom Of Heaven. It exposes Orlando Bloom's acting limitations, but is otherwise an epic film with some unforgettable sets and scenes.
@candyshop84106
@candyshop84106 2 ай бұрын
YOU TWO ARE AWESOME..Your end discussion was So Good.. You captured the complexities of the Story... We dont sometimes appreciate how other peoples actions affect others in ways may not even realize.. We are apart but yet so Connected...Great Recap you two...impressive.
@hbarzun19
@hbarzun19 2 ай бұрын
Really Paris and Agamemnon are the dual villains of the story, while Hector and Achilles are the dual heroes, propping them up and fighting their battles for them.
@elconocido1994
@elconocido1994 2 ай бұрын
the random guy was the forefather of romulus and remus, the founders of rome jeje
@FilmmakerReactions
@FilmmakerReactions 2 ай бұрын
Interesting epilog: The kid who got the sword of troy for safekeeping and his group later became the founders of a small village called ROME. Also there is archeological evidence that suggests that troy really was sacked and burned to the ground by the Greeks. So probably the whole story was based in a real event later embellished by Homer.
@Valkyraw
@Valkyraw 2 ай бұрын
cool story bro but the trojans have nothing do to with rome or romans. they are anatolians and they fled east not west. my ancestors, not greeks or romans ancestors.
@FrancoNogueira666
@FrancoNogueira666 2 ай бұрын
When Paris turned into Legolas i said "now it's game over"😂😂
@drew63215
@drew63215 2 ай бұрын
One of the best and most realistic line was only two words..."Bird signs?" Lol
@jovanjorgovan23
@jovanjorgovan23 2 ай бұрын
Achilles wasn't immortal originally and the heel is a very late tradition, not present in the Iliad or other epic poems. They played nicely with how the legends are made having him remove the lethal arrows but not the one from the heel
@mmaheshwary
@mmaheshwary 2 ай бұрын
One of the few roles where Sean Bean doesn't Sean Bean at the end.
@86leewis
@86leewis 2 ай бұрын
This is Hector, the fool that thought he killed Achilles
@thephoenix9882
@thephoenix9882 2 ай бұрын
According to legend. The survivors of Troy eventually fled across the Agean sea, west of Troy and traveled to central Italy. There they settled on the banks of the River Tiber. A place they called Rome.
@Little-Larry777
@Little-Larry777 2 ай бұрын
🙄 Yeah, kinda, but you skipped a few important details there champ.
@thephoenix9882
@thephoenix9882 2 ай бұрын
@@Little-Larry777 shhhhhh......don't spoil the mystery.
@kenpullig1652
@kenpullig1652 2 ай бұрын
Peter O'Toole can do more with a few lines than most actors can do with an entire movie. RIP.
@havok6280
@havok6280 2 ай бұрын
The Illiad and the Odyssey are separate books. The Aeniad tells the third part of the story.
@inventsable
@inventsable 2 ай бұрын
Kind of. There were lost parts of the Iliad and other books set before it we know of but have never recovered. The Aeneid was written thousands of years later by a Roman poet, and while I like the Aeneid a lot, it's as far from Homer as we are to when Jesus was supposedly born.
@havok6280
@havok6280 2 ай бұрын
​@inventsable false. The Iliad is generally believed to have been written down in the late 8th or early 7th century BC, after a long oral tradition. However, some evidence suggests that the poem was originally recited between 850-750 BCE and then written down around 550 BCE, with further edits around 200 BCE. The Roman poet Virgil wrote The Aeneid between 30 and 19 BC, during the reign of Emperor Augustus.
@axelmolina1031
@axelmolina1031 2 ай бұрын
I remember that in the mythology book, Achilles rode his horse dragging hector's body multiple times circling troy
@MichaelPlayer-yq7gk
@MichaelPlayer-yq7gk 2 ай бұрын
When Achilles cries over hector body he knew hector was a good decent man but war is ugly
@darnellarocca7387
@darnellarocca7387 2 ай бұрын
Those spears must’ve been heavy
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