He said even then he will die fighting. Well we saw where that went in his duel with Menelaus xD

He didn't ask him. He *made* him.

Paris: "Do you love me bother, would you protect me against any enemy ?" Paris (5 mins later): "I wON'T aSk you to FighT mY WaR"

There would have been war eventually Agamemnon was looking for an excuse

@@jackson4162 Yeah, it would. To speak in terms of metaphors, the kindling for igniting the war was already laid out. Paris just tossed in the match. If Paris didn't do it, sooner or later, someone else would break the truce and declared war.

“The last time you (Paris) said that to me was when we were 10 and you had just stolen fathers horse” 😂

🤣🤣🤣

Lol I thought the same damn thing! I left a similar comment then saw yours xD

bro i would beat that dudes ass in front of his woman.

When you're an older brother you get used to it. I'm speaking from experience

Ugh why didn't Paris die and kill off Hector, the real honorable prince of Troy?!!

Ultimate sorry not sorry

@Say what Nope I know right? That clown doomed them all. He is NO prince nor heir of Troy. Hector was the true heir

@@FlashEarth89 You're right Paris is Fool He only cares his pleasure. He don't even think the consequences of what he has done

He was young and stupid. As the usual an young youth who hasn't experienced what Hector went through.

Oh and that makes it all okay, doesn't it? Paris and Anakin: The two dudes who caused all kinds of problems thinking with their dicks

He literally spit in his fathers face for some kitty. No honor at all

@@brandongarcia9344 That's what he did when he was Bill Turner as well lmao

​@@Mr.GenesisThat was underage kitty too

@@kinGsaL1515 okay and? When the movie came out I was 6 so tell me more about underage kitty.

Makes me sick seeing people on KZfaq glamorize war when they never even been near a war zone.

@@rc59191 i love war movies , but i would never want to be in a real warzone , noooo sir

@@Chimera936 there's nothing wrong with enjoying war movies and games it's natural.

That's are hard pads for me too but I'm thankful there are people who do

I wouldn't exactly call it a rant. he was just stating facts.

Both died for what they considered worth dying for and they were both great men

Not quite "honorable", only "family man, readied to bring his whole country to war to defend his bitch of a brother. Proceed to burn his whole kingdom afterwards

Remeber, that when according to Illiad as Hector went to fight Achilles, he (Hector) run away. They both circled Troy 3 times before he gave up and put up a fight.

@@ardex9677 well fighting a demigod would be my last option as well.

@@ardex9677 damn what a pussy

Menelaus has that old man strenght tho.

Total beta😂

Il coraggio non te lo puoi dare. Rapire Elena era il massimo che sapesse fare. Affrontare Menelao no.

​@@brunoder303Menelaus is a warrior. Paris had no chance. There's no Disney bs where hope and the power of friendship wins in the end..lol

Total War II: "A shameful display."

The elders of Troy allowed the war to happen, but none of them have to do any actual fighting. They all watched comfortably from a high tower while Hector was fighting.

reminds me a lot of Eomer's speech to Eowyn in the extended edition of return of the king

War is always evil, and no one has the moral high ground in it. It is a death-spiral into immorality and cruelty for every party involved.

@@TheMonkeygoneapebut the LOTR movies (don’t know about the books) does fantasize war to a high extent.

My fav in the entire movie

​@@VictorW8 mine as well. Pure honor and dignity.

He’s hector correct?

​@@thewhitedevilfromthebible5899yes

Agreed.

Man if that ain’t true 😂

Hector carried the sins of his family and whole Troy at the back of his shoulders and never questioned it why because it was his life burden to carry. True man and a hero.

Menelaus wasn't that unhonorabke aswell actually, the man sought to make peace with troy and some troy prince gutted his wife. Id do exactly as menelaus did

@@catssassine2278 menelaus in the actual Iliad story and in this movie are vastly different. In the Iliad, Menelaus was an honorable king whom Helen returned to at the end of the war. Menelaus in this movie is portrayed as a vicious brute , who along with his brother look to not only get his wife back but destroy Troy.

Yeah and the idea that Helton kills Menalaos is laughable. Helen is more or less kidnapped in various versions of the legend (or forced by the gods to fall in love with Paris). Menalaos and Helen are both back home and doing pretty well in the Odyssey- a cruel irony at the time in the poem because Odysseus isn’t home yet

Eric Bana's acting!

Eric Bana was an awesome actor. Too bad he stopped landing so many lead roles as before.

Technically they didn't go entirely extinct, some Men and Women managed to escape!

​@@Aemilius46 and they all traveled to Italy, becoming the ancestors to the first founders of **ROME**

​@@lionspride4821Shit, it goes beyond rome. The seeds of its destruction essentially lead to the foundation of Europe

@@demaistre2458 True, Rome colonized the hell out of Europe.

Well, to be fair , there were like 9 other cities in layers above and below Troy, so it wasnt the first time a city on that spot had been razed to the ground, or the last either. They fought there all the time because it was a prime location on the Aegean sea. Paris taking Helen was just the excuse Agamemnon needed to cancel the peace treaty and finish his conquest.

You Mode this isn’t really accurate. The Iliad doesn’t specify whether Helen truly loved Menelaus (it’s more likely that she did not). You’re right about everything else though!!

@@mariawajahat3613 no man. In the illiad she even said to Paris that she hoped that Menelaus (her husband) had killed him in their duel. She hated being there with him... only hector was kind to her. She was a princess, not a warrior. She wouldn’t have been able to fight and go back because Aphrodite herself made so that Paris could take her. Helen couldn’t do anything against Aphrodite.

@@insultlk no u can understand that she loved him because she used words like dear husband or something (in Greek) when she talked about him but on today’s society arranged marriage it’s looked as a bad thing (even though it shouldn’t be). In the end she returned to him. Btw I’m talking about the myths. Let’s not talk about that shitty movie.

You Mode no, it was unclear whether Helen wanted to be there. There were many lines in the book where she supported Paris. Also, she never directly told Paris she did not want to be there. It’s true that Helen couldn’t do much against Aphrodite but according to the Iliad she didn’t make her opinion known to Paris, and even the reader was given very vague clues.

@@mariawajahat3613 what are u saying? 😂She literally wished for his (París) death during his duel with Menelaus (her husband). She literally told him that. She didn’t want to be there. Every troyan thought that she was the reason behind the war and that it was all her fault but instead it was Aphrodite and Paris’ fault. Only hector was kind to her. The poor man died for his spoiled brother. She never wanted to be there with him. You should reread the myth Maria

Even Orlando Bloom later said he hated the character of Paris. And played him xD

Yeah me too

Paris is awesome....

@@andy.hello.6602 yes an awesome bitch

​@@andy.hello.6602 When he's dead

Agreed

The face he makes in response? Agreed 😂

Bitchh you aint that guy😂😂😂😂😂

I couldn’t stop laughing at the sheer disgust at his brother’s stupidity 🤣🤣

"Oh well that sounds heroic to you, doesn't it?"

The OG "bruh" look 😂😂😂

Acili & Troy von no mader their death they von all wars

Pure force, indeed, but also values. Rewatching the fight between Hector and Achilles, I'm always amazed at how brilliantly they filmed it. Hector, through Eric Bana, was technically a bulky man, much stronger physically than Brad Pitt's Achilles. But the way they filmed it, the gap in power between the two is not in favour of Hector, who almost looks like a child playing swords with an adult.

@@Demowan Speed and technique play a factor. That's why they have weight classes in MMA and it's far harder to get into the Bantum or Feather Classes. A faster well versed opponent can take down the much larger fighter given they are slower. People think weight classes are designed to protect the smaller man. It's not. It's to protect the bigger bulkier ones. You'll also notice the lighter weight classes in the UFC are far bloodier and more aggressive than the Heavy Weights.

Of all the great sports before mma, you pick the weakest...mma..lol

@@JRGProjects I’m sorry but this isn’t always true, especially when the difference in size is simply too big of a gap (think mcgregor versus someone like hafthor bjornson, I know the latter isn’t an MMA fighter but there was actually a pseudo fight between the two) the sheer difference in strenght, size, reach and toughness completely overwhelms the difference in agility and skills. But not only that, in many cases peoples seriously underestimate how fast and agile an heavyweight fighter can be. Peoples assume that bigger always means slower, thats until you face off someone who towers over you and match your speed if not completely outmatch your speed

Lies again? Cheating wife

not true because they said they would still attack after the duel was over

@@NazriB whaaat?

@@naromnginthe Duel never would have happened if Paris hadn’t eloped with Helen…

​@@naromngin but given Menelaus' wrath being satisfied. He kinda implied that he's satisfied with the death of Paris, unlike his brother. That'll create division. And division in an army like this can be fatal

Troy Ewen he die ye von all wars

Manly men and grim, necessary deeds.

lol awwww

Maybe they are not on break, just chillin 😂

me and my workmates at 4 PM 😂

they're on a 18 hours shift, give them a break!!

That needs to be a meme.

Looks like he just did a bunch of drugs and is having mixed trips

😂😂

True he was a coward.

@@wandilesithole3710 Ya we saw that clearly later in the film

It was too late anyway. Agamemnon needed an excuse to go to war. Returning Helen to Sparta like spoiled goods? Nah it was game over when Paris took her.

@@Diapontios true, it was heartbreaking to see Achilles go out like that in the end💔 Guess finding love made him weak

@@wandilesithole3710 Achilles’s fate was written since before he was born. He was to die during the Trojan war. That’s why his mother tried desperately to distance him from it, even disguising him as a girl, but quite unsuccessfully. He knew he was going to die but went to war anyway. In the Greek pantheon of heroes, Achilles is the freaking GOAT.

Agamemnon just wanted an excuse and Paris gave him one

agamemnon was suicidal. he couldnt breach the walls. took Troy being extremely stupid at the worst possible moment to lose.

It would not have happened at all . Menelaus was precisely making peace with Troy , if Agamemnon went to battle without casus belli and without Sparta he would’ve been doomed .

And he wouldn’t have had Sparta backing him up. Menelaus wanted peace with Troy until Helen eloped with Paris.

Or anything else for that matter ^.-.^

Not knowing he has a more kill count than Gimli

But he was supposed to be the childhood friend of Achillies and his lover.

@@orkoskang7967 I see but I’m just focusing on this movie in general

@@orkoskang7967 no he wasn’t Paris was the enemy what are you talking aboht

@@orkoskang7967 that was Patroclus, who unfortunately was made to be Achilles's cousin in this movie

He didn't kill an enemy at that point. He further solidified Troy's doom by killing a man who was already fighting for it's salvation. He made every wrong decision he could possibly make in that short time in his life and it's permanence is felt even today. Thousands of years later.

Lol 😂 he got Troy fucked

4) Remove the Achilles/Briseis romance. It didn’t feel convincing to me at all, Briseis liking him only bc he keeps her safe made their romance feel contrived. And it would really show Achilles’ more kindhearted nature, if he defended her without being in love with her. 5) Keep the Achilles/Patroclus romance from the original poem.

Ben Affleck? Worst choice possible for this kind of roles/movies.

@@samwisehuluberlu2210 Curious why? The reason why I thought of him was because of his role in Shakespeare in Love, who played a supporting character, (Like I said first choice that popped in my head)

I would have included Diomedes and Aneas in this film as there roles of the second best warriors of the Greeks and the Trojans both adding some tragedy and nuance to the story.With Diomedes being similar to hector in the sense of fighting for what he believes is right for the future of Greece only to realize over time he and the Greeks are fighting for nothing but Agamemnons pride power and greed .Aneas is in the beginning very similar to Achilles as he starts out only interested in fighting for his own personal glory in the Trojan army but over time becomes disillusioned with warfare and learns how to be the defender and leader of the people of Troy that Paris should of been instead of the irresponsible greedy lustful selfish coward he was. Thus ending the movie with Diomedes allowing Aneas to depart with the survivors of Troy after Agamemnons and Paris’s (should have been much more unsympathetic in the film)deaths.

Just imagine you are the king of Sparta and a neighborhood country's playboy stole your wife and your kingdom ' s queen and wouldn't do anything about it ! tell me genius what would you have done if you were menelaus

Except menelas is kinda right here. It was a peace celebration. Imagine signing peace with a country after 10 years of war and invite them to celebrate and they take your fucking wive. Worst, in a lot of version, she didn’t love him. Paris kidnapped her. The only way to do a bigger offense than that would have been to stab the king in the back right during the ceremony.

can't blame Agamemmon and Menelaus... Imagine a pathetic pussy whipped playboy comes and steals a king's wife... it is an attack on the honor of the kings

Right!! My personal favorites are Hector and Priam, the most Noble and Honorable men in the movie! I hated Agamemnon, Paris, and somewhat Achilles, Menelaus at least had some honor. And Helen, at least she felt guilty and wanted to go back, and even comforted Andromache the wife of Hector, another favorite of mine!

@@Aemilius46 Same here but I didn't hate Achilles...and Helen was as irritating as beautiful...she already knew Menelaus in details just like she analysed him to Paris so her "feeling guilty" meant nothing....I've watched this movie so many times and now again after you answered my comment lol

Couldn't agree more. Complete narcissism and disregard for others.

Because it was already too late, they have already deeply offended the King of Sparta. Might as well double it down at this point.

@@agrippa2012 He could've returned Helen and let him kill Paris, it's better than starting a war.

@@boloblade2 True, but Hector would never do something like that

Always wished Hector would teach Paris a lesson. The brat was way too spoiled.

😂😂😂

😂😂 funniest truth

'directed by Robert B Weide' meme rolls

I'd rather they spend all their life running in fear of their stupid decision.

Watch the movie again. Argmennon wasn't fighting for helen

Thos was literally talked by Paris and Helen in the movie. Paris suggested they run away so Troy would not burn. But Helen specifically said Menalaus would still burn the city just to make sure the Trojans were not lying. This prompted Paris to duel Menalaus instead.

Wouldn't work. Memelaus would never have believed a word that the Trojans would say to him and Agemmenon wanted an excuse to conquer the city. It would had only slowed down the Greek's plans to attack Troy but not stop them.

Why didn't Achilles JUST dodge his arrows lul?

@@Ronin3453 His back was turned

@@higherechelon7884 why couldn't he JUST turn around then, lol

@Fqc he should have seen the first arrow coming then.

@FqcAt this point he's trolling you my dude lmao.

Get my shit ready 😂

Get my hardest round doctor?

Not really. Menelaus was a man of his word and clearly favored peace . Paris managed to wrong the one man who took Troy’s side . And Agamemnon couldn’t launch an offensive without Menelaus support as they could barely take Troy even with his Spartans.

@@stormbringer2840 Agamemnon was the King of Greece though. It was The Oath everyone in Greece promised during Helen’s wedding that would cause this alliance. However, Agamemnon had more than enough men to take on Troy, it was just a matter of breaking through Troy’s Gate.

@@m.c.martin Agamemnon wasn't the king of greece but of Myceanea , the most powerfull king in greece but not the king OF greece ( he was an Hegemonic king if you prefer ). So yeah Menelaus being at the origin of the Oath his input was absolutely necessary to start a war , and No agamemnon didn't have enough men by himself , even with all the forces of greece he only barely got through Troy and could've died at any point .

Aye pretty much every City in Greece had its own King, Agamemnon was simply one of the most Influential, and had a Pact with the other Kings of Greece.

“Wow…you really are that stupid”

He makes an even better "bruh" face at 2:27 imo lol

Exactly! I’m seriously glad I’m not the only one who thinks this I like this movie a lot but I just don’t like the outcome not that I necessarily don’t like the ending or it’s bad I just don’t like the outcome, Obviously I don’t want to see Brad Pitt die😂, But seriously the fact that the idiot pretty boy prince who basically caused the death of not only his brother but his father AND country now gets to roam free with the girl he stole…..and now Breseis is left miserable as her would be future husband dies…. Yea it still rubs me the wrong way over 15 years later

I'm soooooo relieved you two think like that too....I'm doing my honours nd I'm to to study illiad nd that's all fine cus I love Greek mythology nd stuff ....bt , I swear everytime i do have to go through the character of this pathetic excuse of a prince nd even more disgusting excuse of "love" he apparently had for Helen , I feel sick . PS . Reminds me of Ferdinand and Miranda's "love" that would make you do 360° eyerolls 👀

@@blankspace5185 In fact, in the actual story, it’s said Paris died to buy Aeneas time to flee with the Trojans and is shot 3 times by arrows while Menelaus yells at him. So yes, Paris does actually die in Troy

@@m.c.martin good, now they just need to spike helen in the back and i'd be truly happy

@@m.c.martin didnt he get snipped in the dick and shoulder by philoctetes and dies before troy falls

In defense of Menalaus that was the norm back then, once a girl hit puberty which could be between 12 and 14 she was considered marriageable and essentially property of the men in her life. Funnily enough though if you were a woman in Greece Sparta was probably the best place to live. The women could own property and work, they could attend and participate in sporting events, they could even learn to fight, and they were essentially married only in name because they really only had to see their husbands when they needed to have babies. Otherwise they lived a communal lifestyle with other women.

Great post, I'm curious why you're in doubt about Briseis?

yes yes we hate everyone equally

Yeah i wonder that too Briseis was just a priestess for Dionysos, She might got by Stockholm syndrome but other then that she is blame less in my opinion...

I never thought of it like that. Great comment.

To be fair, I blame the Greek kings for being so prideful... like, she wouldn't of left if he was actually a good husband, but Paris DOES know how the kings are and is just romanticizing this way too much...

@@antithoughtpolice7497 wh*res deserve to be treated as they are.

@@anonymous-yq4wc Oh, then the king DEFINITELY deserved to be killed first. He was the bigger whore between the two of them.

@@antithoughtpolice7497 how so?

@@anonymous-yq4wc Dude, he was literally flirting with other women in front of her, and it's heavily implied he's doing more behind closed doors. She wasn't open with her feelings for Paris before leaving, and it's shown how much she craves being in a loving relationship. In other versions, Paris kidnaps her and the king was the one devoted to her, so he was seeking revenge on Paris and keeping her from being assaulted more than if he let her go. It's usually either men being whores that start the war. I know modern women love being hoes, but it's obvious she either wasn't the whore.

Hey, at least in this version Helen goes with him willingly. It’s unclear if she consented or not in the mythology.

Hey, at least in this version Helen goes with him willingly. It’s unclear if she consented or not in the mythology.

The real ending: Trojans: "Here you go, take her, she wasn't that good anyway." Menelaus: "$#@#^&&!". Agamemnon: "Let's unite all of Greece to fight for dishonouring our sister." Odysseus: "I've got a better idea..." **Helen boards ship to Egypt**

@@alitanicholas9579Helen was the wife of Menelaus, not her sister. The mythical tale of her chilling in Egypt for the entire war after being replaced by a copy made out of clouds is great though.

@@Cybermat47 Helen was Agememnon's sister-in-law. The ancients called their sisters-in-law 'sister', as do many Greeks today. :)

Have you ever been to a Turkish bath?

Ever take a dump that made you feel like you slept for a week?

@@jonathanbirch2022 I did! Everyone else in the hot tub was PISSED.

Pretty much - Hector doesn't kill Menelaus in the Iliad which seems to be the biggest piece of artistic license but for the most part Wolfgang Peterson did a masterful job with the screenplay and the scenery.

They barely kept to the Iliad at all. Several very important characters aren't even in the film and the chronology of events and character deaths is completely different. Really the only thing this movie has in common with Iliad are the names.

@@1furious who was left out and what was the inconsistencies of the chronology order apart from the obvious changes Hollywood made. (Menelaus being killed by Hector is obviously not original and the siege lasted 10years not 17 days as in the film troy, Achilles and Patroclus were actually best friends in the poem rather being cousins in the film ) I'm not being funny im genuinely interested. For a bashed up Hollywood rendition one can't complain too much when they are known for absolutely changing everything in a film.

@@jimcraig9882 Well for an initial correction, Patroclus and Achilles in mythology are actually cousins. Specifically first cousins once removed. Patroclus is also older than Achilles. But beyond that, Diomedes isn't in the film, Nestor takes a very background role, Rhesus isn't in the film, the two Ajax's are combined into one character, Teucer is absent, Briseis is fused partially with Chryseis and Cassandra. And in the Trojan Cycle, Paris didn't survive the Trojan War. Agamemnon did. Andromache was enslaved. Hector's son was killed by Achilles' son Neoptolemus (also absent from the film). Agamemnon's characterisation in general is just completely wrong. The idea of him just wanting to conquer Troy is completely undermined by him completely annihilating it at the end. Nothing left to control. His motive in the Cycle is entirely for his brother's honour. He is also a front-line warrior who is second only to Achilles (and tied with Ajax the Greater and Diomedes). Achilles never makes it inside the walls of Troy. His death is actually what prompts the creation of the Trojan Horse, since the Greeks do not believe they can win without him. The concept of Achilles' heel is actually a Roman invention. In the Iliad, Achilles is actually wounded in combat by a Paeonian called Asteropaios (also absent from the film). So, yeah there are actually quite a lot of differences. Many characters either missing or fused into other characters. The entire Trojan Cycle was extremely condensed for the movie, which is understandable. They obviously removed the divine influences but decided to go a bit further and throw in some atheistic subtext. And the sequence of events, especially with character deaths, is somewhat disorganised. I can enjoy the movie for what it is but when I read the Iliad I was intrigued by how different it was from the movie.

There are quite a few changes, among them the total omission of Achilles' bisexuality (you know, Hollywood...)

This entire thing started because someone failed to invite Eris to a wedding.

And yet he allowed this mess to continue by taking Paris and Helen to Troy

​​@@user-ob4sq6fi3sOh, I'm with ya.....I'd have turned that boat around, gone back and been like ..look king, here's your woman, unharmed and safe... please accept the absolute shit-kicking I'm about to give my little brother, as an apology lol

@@zachschaefer3824 yes. I know that for plot reasons war must take place but I never understood why in the world, did Priam and hector, two honourable and noble people let Paris keep Helen and didn't punish him

@@user-ob4sq6fi3s You're right, knowing what horrors would come of Paris' actions, they should have HARSHLY punished him, prince or not

With a live action adaptation starring Brad Pitt and Eric Banna as Achilleus and Hector. Talk about a missed opportunity by Hollywood!😅

Then, an enraged Aragorn shakes hands and joins forces with Sauron! Soon, the entire Middle Earth will fall to the combined might of Gondor and Mordor!!!😁