Watch the 2024 Chevy Silverado 2500 being assembled right here - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z52lmKlqqq7HpZ8.html

I am a GM person and will say the Silverado is a great truck from top to bottom. But all 3 makers have incredibly capable choices regardless of brand, its really about personal choice.

Really enjoy your honest reviews! Straightforward and just listing the facts . I just got a 24 Silverado 2500hd and your first review helped solidify my choice. I appreciate your channel!

I expect you'll go for a 3500 with 8 foot box and find yourself looking at even bigger trailers in a year or so.

During your discussion, you mentioned going to a Chevy 3500. I noticed Mom gave a thumbs up. My thoughts: 1. The Chevy's are made in Canada. 2. The Chevy 3500 long bed will give you the towing capacity and pin placement that you need. 3. Mom gave the thumbs up and she legally owns 1/2 of the asset. It's a no brainer.

Both need air bags to level load and add stability to tow rig. Best $1000 you'll ever spend on a tow rig.

Try airbags or the factory air suspension it totally makes a difference with the coil springs

Hey, guys, always love your reviews and dad, you're never an idiot. You always speak your mind, and it's always in the right direction. Love what you guys do.

I agree with you guys. I had the 2022 tundra and found it swayed exactly as you experienced with your ram, I wasn’t comfortable going over 105 km, and I believe it’s because of the coil springs. I switched to a Silverado trailboss with 3.0 duramax and much more control towing my setup (6000 lbs) , which I believe is due to the Silverado still utilizing leaf springs.

If you’re going GM might as well buy a GMC exterior styling is more appealing plus you can get a lower trim and still get LED headlights which if I was traveling especially at night those make a huge difference.

You guys hit the nail on the head in this video. Leaf springs really do make a huge difference when towing or hauling . Less butt clinching moments.

Enjoying this series of videos, great job!

I have basically same Ram and adding airbags makes a big difference when towing and is a must for me with anything under 1 ton truck. Keeps it level and stiffens up rear so it takes bumps and things much better with less bounce and sway. And if you use with daystar cradle, still maintains non towing comfort of coil spring rear.

Due to the high profile of that trailer, dually would be better. A lot of trailer side for the wind to catch.

I have the same Grand Design Solitude 310GK. I went from the 2020 Ram 3500 HO to the new 2024 3500 Denali Ultimate Durimax. I couldn't be happier. The exhaust break isn't as good as Ram but more than adequate. Everything else is superior. I run the B&W companion slider and just slide it back if needed. I get no sway and it pulls it great. I love my setup. Good Luck with everything and I appreciate your channel.

You guys crack me up - love the reviews and real life applications! Looking forward to you hauling with a 3500 - Ram, Ford, Chev or GMC... We did our hauling with the Ram 3500 dually and it did everything well.

Suggestion: ADD AIR BAGS TO THE RAM. This should help. I assume this KZfaq channel is making a good profit now. If the funds are there, 3500 would be perfect with any brand of truck. Ram, Ford, or GMC/Chevrolet.

Thanks for a good video. Coil springs work great on the Ram 1500. I've had two and done a lot of long distance hauling and towing with them. At that size you are still within the parameters of what coil springs can handle without problem. In fact, I would say coils are better for a 1500 rated truck. But apparently, it is the other way around when you upgrade to the 2500. My next truck will probably be a 2500, precisely because I want to be able to do bigger towing. I am going to keep this video in mind when I get around to shopping for a new truck. Thanks again.

Pretty good video. I do have to say, driving truck for 19 years and having my own 5th wheel and a 2020 Silverado 2500Hd with the diesel, you will never fully get rid of the rocking back and forth, that comes from uneven roads and as heavy as the trailer is its going to follow what the road does.

No heavy duty experience here but I like the front end on the 24’ Silverado LTZ and higher with the LED’s and DRL’s. I’d get over in a hurry if that’s in my rear view mirror 😎

I have a similar set up with the turn point hitch on the trailer and that give me the clearance that I need to make 90° turn. I’d suggest to look into that. Installing that trailer hitch you’ll gain 16” of clearance

I think anything over 12,000lbs a one-ton is the way to go. I have a 2500 RAM 6.4 with a bumper hitch of 785lbs hitch weight and 8000lb gross trailer weight and it’s so far a perfect marriage. Enjoy your videos!

Long bed 3500 of whatever brand you like with the biggest fuel tank available. That's the best recipe for 5th wheels

a neighbor of mine has the 3500 high country none dually and seems to like it fine.

Great video! I wish RAM would catch up with a updated transmission. I don’t even care about the styling. I also went with a 2500 because at the time I was pulling a 9k travel trailer and wanted the daily comfort of the coils. Then we upgraded to a 12k Reflection 5th wheel. I have to say I still love the way my truck pulls that weight, but I do regret not getting the 3500 up front. I don’t think having a little too much truck is a bad thing. Plus I hate arguing with the tow police online over the arbitrary GVWR.

Man, 2 super good videos in 2 days. Great job! I have been driving My ‘96 Ram 2500 with Cummins foreverrrrr! I love My Cummins, and that truck is everything I wanted it to be, for the time it was manufactured. A little underpowered, but very simple, durable, and no DEF! In March I decided to buy a new truck, and actually ordered a Ram 2500 crew cab. Sound familiar? That was until I discovered Ram had went to the rear coil springs, and the payload was not the best. In addition, Ram was still running a 6-speed transmission. That truck was not going to work for Me. So, the dealer that I was working with had some Ram 3500’s in stock. A little more cost, but not terrible. One small snag, there was a no-sell recall going on at the time, so I had a deposit on that truck, and really started to research trucks on KZfaq. I found that the Chevy 3500 SRW was almost the same cost as the Ram, but I got more horsepower, a trim level higher, (LTZ), a 10 speed transmission, slightly larger fuel tank, DEF tank, and bed. The negatives were, that I had to give up My Cummins, a better exhaust brake, and probably a stronger straight axle. It was pretty easy for Me, because at the end of the day, I just liked the looks of the Chevy better. Pretty timely video, as I am going to pickup the truck tomorrow. I ordered mine, as I wanted an unusual color, (Auburn Metallic Red). Other options, I considered was the GMC AT4, and the Chevrolet 2500, with the upgraded towing/spring package. AT4 is a hell of a truck, but just liked the Chevy sheetmetal better, and it was cheaper. Good Luck with Your decision!

I got rid of my 2019 Ford F250 for trailering. The death wobble was a big issue. Got the 2024 2500 HD with all the options and love it. Best truck I have had. I tow a 38' travel trailer.

With what you tow and how often i would probably vote for the 3500 and the 8' bed. As long as maneuverability won't be an issue where you take the trailer to. (I owned an older F350 crew cab w/ 8' bed and parking was rough). 8' beds just tow so much less stress free. But then again it's easy for US to spend YOUR money. 😂

Adding airbags to the ram 2500 helps tremendously. They sit outside the coil springs and give much more side to side stability.

I’m a big Ram fan and pull my 35 foot 5th wheel with a 3500 Mega Cab. I do have a little rear sag but hope to offset it with some Tembrake supports.

In my first chevy now. A 2020 2500 duramax. Amazing truck. Quiet and comfy but tons of balls. With shortbed go with a b and w companion slider hitch

All that is needed in the Ram is heavier coils in the rear or airbags in the coils . Coil suspension can carry very heavy loads if set up correctly. Eg- the old Defender 130 Dual cab can carry heavy loads for its size and the reason is, is that it has extra coils within the main coil. The Unimog that is in the Australian defence force’s is coil all round and is a 12 Ton truck.

The trailer may be a contributing factor as well. The way it cuts thru the air. The aerodynamics May create a buffeting factor. I have had this happen when i replace my new pull behind. I eventually covered the bed up as much as possible with tonneau cover except for the 5th wheel mount. All stopped. Something so simple. If you have ever driven behind a 18 wheeler and you feel your vehicle just bouncing left and right. Jostling type feel. That is what was happening.

So, I just picked up my 24' High Country Midnight Edition Duramax after a very long wait. I've always had Ram Cummins trucks, but my last Ram that I traded in was a 6.4 Hemi w/4.10s. I hated the Hemi for towing 4 days per week. I couldn't find a 3500 Cummins that was well equipped for under 90k. I ended up paying 84k OTD for this chevy and it has every option on it. So far, I like it a lot.

I switched to ram 3500 ho 2023 from 2500 big difference very happy more power and stability when towing

you should try a tire called kanati armor hog atx 12ply 285 60 r20 on the ram it is the same size as stock but it has a 4080lbs at 95 psi , that should relieve some swaying on the side to side when towing

Great video as usual! I'd love to hear your thoughts on a Ram 3500 pulling that trailer, and other trucks too (like the 6.8 or 7.3 gasser from Ford, or the 6.6 gasser from GM). I personally trust your guys opinion far above any other truck channel at this point.

Excellent review as always!!!😁

I have a 2020 chev 2500 hd and it pulls my Toyhauler very well. I did add air bags to the truck in which I run 60 psi in them and it takes any squat out of the truck. As for the swaying I have 0 swaying on anything I tow so I am guessing it might be your hitch. I have 130000+kms on my HD and runs flawlessly, I always run synthetic in it. 0 issues with the truck.

I have the same truck and year as you do and pull a 35 foot Reflection. GVWR on the trailer is 11500 so fully loaded mine weighs less than your empty. I added a set of Sumo Springs on the back and a Pullright Superglide hitch so I don’t have to worry about rear end sag or 90 degree turns. I get 14 mpg on the open road as long as I stay around 62, and pulls great. A nice setup. The reality is that with this truck there is almost no 5th wheel made where you can stay under the payload limit. My truck has a pin weight of 2075 and while I make it a point to not take any more than I need to and run with my tanks empty, I am sure I am over payload before I even get o t the truck. If I had to do again I would have gotten the 3500 but I love this truck and it’s paid for so will make the best of what I have.

If you're that worried about clearance between truck cab and 5th wheel, get a slider hitch. Unless you get yourself in a bad spot you will find you rarely use it.

Actually the exhaust brake works better with cruise control a bit more aggressive great review and honestly I probably would go 3500 myself more payload

If you’re serious about towing why are you playing with a V8 diesel? There’s a reason every trucker on the road has an in-line 6. That’s why ram will always have our business.

I have a 2018 Ram 3500 SRW shortbed and pull a 40' toyhauler that weighs about the same as your trailer. I use a sliding hitch to get the clearance. I can pull it down the highway at 75 all day and the trailer doesn't sway at all.

The air suspension on my 22 Ram 2500 takes care of the back and forth you are describing.

Interesting comparison. Curious if the hitch may also be part of the issue with the rocking? Also, I would just go to the 3500 regardless.

Due to my situation I would have to say it is all about the three quarter ton truck with the coil springs. I have a 2023 ram 3500 single rear wheel standard output diesel factory airbags. I also have a Kurt crosswing hitch and I tow a 2023 alliance Paradigm 340 RL. I'm sure I am close to 15,000 lb out the door. I have no chucking. I can barely feel it back there. I have no sway. I feel nothing when I pass a truck or one passes me even going the opposite way. My truck and trailer don't even budge. Just giving you my experience which is brand new to me. Also as all my equipment is brand new. I just feel like you need a 3500 for a fifth wheel of that size. Love the channel. Keep up the good reviews. You are the reason why I bought the curt crosswing hitch. I couldn't be happier with it. Having a curt Hitch and curt pin box and a lippert frame which is also owned by curt is a great combination for covering your ass if something happens. You can't not stand behind your own products.

I had a 2011 Ram 2500 diesel and it had leaf springs in the back. Had no problem towing a 14k lb GVWR 30' enclosed car hauler, but was not the right vehicle for my gooseneck. Have been waiting for its replacement from Ford (F450) for 18 months.

If you get the Chevy you gotta get Toyo Open Country ATIIIs on there as well right?

I just traded in my 2020 3500HD high country dually for a 2024 3500HD high country dually. I also have a 2021 jayco northpoint 373BHOK that I haven't pulled yet with my new truck but she weighs 14,000lbs so I'm curious. My 2020 pulled it with no hesitation or problem at all

I talked with a GM Service tech and he said if we were going to go into a 3500 to loo at a SRW over a DRW truck. He talked about capacities and truck size. More then the 2500 but also close to the 3500 DRW. is it what you need.

Actually the ram has a 6',4" bed the GM has a 6'9" bed. Much longer and the gooseneck hitch setup on the GM sits behind the Axle. I agree with the comments on a ram 3500 with 8' bed would be a perfect truck for your towing and you get the leaf springs plus exhaust break you love.

Didn't you mention in the Ram video about running low tire pressure? Did you address the tire issue and still have issues?

The 10,000 lbs GVWR is super annoying on my Ram. I don't pull a 5th Wheel - have a bumper-pull toy hauler with a fairly heavy hitch weight. These Chevys have been making a compelling case. But I'm stuck with my Ram, probably for life. I don't see getting a bigger trailer (we'd go motorhome next) and my Ram 2500 covers everything we need. Won't affect my payload, but I plan on taking mine to Banks in a few years and doing it up right. Then, its use the hell out of the truck and get it to the patina.

You mentioned going 3500 so Ram 3500 gives you leaf springs, solid front axle for better steering under load, cummins engine, better exhaust brake, could add the air bags for more comfort and interior is really nice. I tow light but for me having good control going down big hills is a relief so the better exhaust brake would be a big plus.

The problem with the ram isn't the coul springs it's the position of them there mounted further in board on the rear axle so that you can add air bags where the springs would normally go and because of that there is less stabilization for the load unless you add air bags which completely fix the stabilization problem and also help level truck off when heavy loaded ,so coil springs are mounted to far in, unless you add air bags for stabilization and load leveling

I would agree with you. Having owned both trucks, I would say the the Ram HD is much better for towing until you get to the very heavy weights. The coil springs do tend to rock on the Ram. My decision was to stick the Ram and just go a little slower because in my experience with the Ram is that it is much more dependable than the Chevy. At 150,000 miles, it’s had several oil changes and a transmission flush. Never one mechanical issue.

Firestone Ride-Rite Air Suspension is a must unless you go with Ram that has an factory installed rear air suspension option.

I notice its its my Momentum that sways alot. Even with a sway bar (bumper pull toyhauler) the springs on the trailer have way to much spring in them.

I had that exact same 2019 Ram, even the same color. I pull a 35' 5th wheel but I put a Pull Right 20k receiver in it. No issues like those you described. In prep for a trip across the US from Florida I installed air bags and that helped level the truck out and assisted with smoothing out the ride quality while towing. The RAM burned up going up the North entrance of Yellowstone due to a defect/recall that I wasn't informed of from Ram whereby the automatic transmission fluid overheats and shoots out onto the turbo at low speeds while pulling a load. We all got out of the burning truck but if you have a 2019 RAM 2500 make sure to get that recall fixed. Ram really let me down with that and the lack of following up on a serious recall. I'm assuming my one notification from them got delivered down the street and tossed out. Loved that truck though.

I just traded my Ram 2500 in for a Ram 3500 dually. You might want to consider a similar move??? The dually makes a huge difference in stability!!! My Ram was at 97% of towing capacity, pulling my 5th wheel. My 3500 is pulling at 66% of towing capacity, pulling the same trailer that provides piece of mind!

I will say all three brands will easily pull any heavy rig within its limitations with no problem, however which one will have the most effective stability and braking(exhaust brake/engine brake) when your descending on those mountains with 10% to 15% grade winding roads so that the driver will be at ease and there no need to make your normal brakes work hard in this situations. Until ford and chevy/gmc keep up, for now guts-glory-ram!

I am a little surprised you didn't mention wind conditions.. like side wind, that rockers trailers.

I pulled my 2022 Forest River heritage glen with a Chevrolet and a Ram, I bought the Ram. It pulled Cajon Pass and the Rockies effortlessly.

adding airbags to the coil springs wouldve probably helped the ram. its also worth noting that the chevy has IFS and the ram has a solid front axle. body roll/sway will affect front steering wonder in the wheel.

So what’s the pin weight of your 5er?? You have to be way over your payload in both trucks with you, your son, and the rear passenger. Have you hit the scales?

I'm done with Ram at 149k km I'm into too much maintenance and quality control issues (2018 1500 Hemi sport). Going back to a Ford, a lightning pro as my daily. Did my deposit for the order last weekend, 59k minus the rebate. Best deal for a half ton right now. My vote is Chevy Howard.

That was part of the idea behind the coil springs was just to make it ride better and you gave up payload.. If you think about it, the coil spring has a 4-5 link suspension, and those 4 links are all close to each other, so that puts a lot of pressure on the frame of the vehicle to keep that axle straight. And that's why they went with the lighter 10,000lbs gvw.The leaf spring vehicle, the springs are almost 3 feet apart from each other where they connect to the frame. That's what gives it so much more stability. The difference between driving a Ram 2500 a 3500 is in the 2500 you ask the trailer where to go and in the 3500 you tell the trailer where to go. I know this because I had a ram 2500 with an extended cab and an 8 foot bed. And then got a dully with an extended cab and an 8 foot bed.

Did you have the factory air bags in the Ram?

So you guys are saying I'll have to upgrade to a 3500 from myvtaco when I get a couple Sea-Doos?

Also the difference btw solid front axle and ifs. Solid axle even when not towing wonders here and there compared to ifs. Leafs are better for heavy towing due to helper springs.

Great, in-depth video. Top notch. Cheers! Is there a compelling reason not to go for a Ram 3500, or a 2500 with an 8ft bed? Is there a significant price spread between 3/4 and 1 ton diesel trucks? Will you cross -shop Ford as well? If the price difference is negligible, go bigger all the way.

Yup empty and loaded thats your difference my old boss had a AKA squatty wagon 😂 and i bought the 2019 f250 ❤ what a difference we tried same trailers same roads and yes leaf springs for the win 🏆 and im a heavy Haul transport driver with 22 years experience from Sudbury Ontario

what about the F450 it has a better turning radius, but similar to the GMC3500 and F350

8 foot bed with 2500 size would give you a stable drive experience on leaf spring truck. Shocks might need an upgrade so ya - might as well go 3500 if you mainly will be towing.

Does the 3500 Dodge have coil or leaf springs?

Hey did you factor in the wheels in your equations. Your Ram has aggressive tires and the chevy doesnt. Just a thought, one might get more roll etc.

It appears that the Chevy is Mega cab not the regular double cab. The regular Chevy double cab has a bed length of 6"10" , the Ram is 6"4:.

Before buying, try same test with a Ford F250 I think their frame is stiffer than the others.

good stuff....got a 2015 ram 2500 bighorn cummins and just bought a used palomino columbus with 11,563 empty and 14,029 loaded..pin weight of 2029...i should have researched a little more. but, i think i will be ok in this scenario...also, my truck has a sliding hitch for clearance concerns and also has a set of airbags that i have loved the difference in towing feel.....any thoughts?? my only concern with your comparo video here is you are comparing a 2019 to a 2024...unfortunately i can't afford $80k+ for a new truck i have 13 more payments and would love to think this rig will be my last!!

I have been a fulltime rv'r and travel with my house on wheels on the road going on six years and my current truck since day 1 is a 2017 ford f350 srw crew short bed diesel. I have already clock 123,000 original miles being on the road and has been trouble free. Our current rig since day 1 is a 33 feet 10k lbs travel trailer. Before purchasing the truck, i made a research online and majority of the season fulltime rv folks recommended on skipping f250 or 2500, instead go with the f350 or 3500 series trucks since many folks will upgrade their rig to a much bigger and heavier rigs down the road. I'm glad i listened to them because after few years on the road, I decided I wanted a 16k to 18k lbs. loaded/wet 5th wheel toy hauler (two axles) and i don't need to replace my truck especially the prices of used and new trucks in this time and age. My current 2017 ford f350 srw diesel mentioned above has a payload capacity of 3500 lbs. and is rated to tow up to 20k lbs 5th wheel/gooseneck trailer. "Home is where I park it". Safe travels and take the less traveled path.🤠

Add airbags, a 500 dollar fix. Got em on my 2018 ram with 20 lbs air….. what a difference!! Pulling a 12000 LB 5 th wheel with no problem. Also look into a slide hitch for a short bed. That eliminates all the pinch points

I see a new 3500 Chevrolet HD in your future. That 2500 looks great on road towing that 5th wheel trailer.

the thing i don't under stand is the Tim from pick up SUV talk shows hardly no space between the over hang to a fifth and the bed of the truck are really close but almost all the other test drives shows almost 8inches of space between the over hang and the truck bed

So there’s a couple things I’d like to point out. The short bed GM trucks are actually 6’10” so they are 6” longer than the Ram and 1” longer than the Ford. Another thing is on the short bed GM trucks, the factory puck system is 2” behind the axle. So slider type hitches are not necessary and I noticed with your hitch you had to open the upper tailgate to keep from hitting the tailgate. Another thing with the GMs are they give you a much higher rear axle rating. A typical 2500 will have a 6600 pound rear axle rating. A Ram has 6040 and I think Ford is around 6300. So I’m not sure about your local registration requirements, but a 2500 GM truck with the max tow package would keep you under 12,000 GVWR and still give you essentially a 3500 SRW truck. The 2500 max tow package gives the 12” ring gear and overload leaf springs from the 3500 SRW trucks. Good luck with the shopping.

Not to split hairs but the GM box is nearly 6” longer than the RAM, not 1”. Also GM places the gooseball and pucks behind the axle already by a few inches (2 I believe). I also drove trucks and towed by all of the big 3, and I owned a Ford and currently the 2500 Duramax. RAM the shorter bed, leafs (would add bags) but most importantly the back seat sent me away from the RAM.

I added Sumo springs to my 22 Ram. Best upgrade i ever made to it. O fyi Ram 3500 has leaf springs.

Before you swap in the Ram, could you please try a set of airbags.

Awesome discussion

Can't wait to see a 3500 shot out!

I love this channel these guys get to the point not preferring ram but straight facts. ram 10,000 lbs vs Chevrolet 11,350 lbs rating, I mean there no comparison Chevrolet costs less they last longer more gooseneck towing capacity than ram so who’s the best here u decide bang for bucks or luxury.

2020 Ram towing 14500, 3500 longbed, 4152 lb payload. Can’t feel it Back there, single rear wheel.I have a cedar creek 37.5 feet.

Amigo qual modelo é mais economico prius or corola ambos hybrid...🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷

Does ram use a panhard bar on rear.

Dually is the way to go whatever brand you choose .

I pull my 43 foot triple axle horse trailer horses gear and all 25k loaded up trailer alone. My truck is Chevy 3500 dually and pulls down the road no problems. Mine is also a 8 ft bed which makes it ride better. I don’t like to feel the lean when pulling heavy loafs and cornering. I also don’t like short beds put the trailer too close to the cab. It is long when going to the store. It is one of those things you have to decide what’s best for you. I think either truck are good choice overall.

Unfortunately the coil spring system probably needed an aftermarket track bar on the back.

With the current capability level of 2500 and 3500 trucks I would use the "heavy trailer endorsement" line. In BC you require a heavy trailer endorsement to tow anything over 4600kg (10,120 lbs.) with a class 4 or 5 driver's license. If my trailer required the endorsement, I would be seeking a 3500 to tow it with. I'm guessing Ontario has some kind of similar legal structure regarding tow weights.

Did you ever tow the trailer w a standard 5th wheel on the ram or only tow the gooseneck switch to a 5th wheel conversion

Coil springs are definitely less than ideal for towing but that hitch also looks very flimsy to me.