Tombstone: On the Cutting Room Floor

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2 жыл бұрын

Bob Boze Bell weighs in on Kevin Jarre’s original script. Everyone seems to agree that Kevin Jarre’s original script for Tombstone was brilliant. So, why hasn’t someone dusted off the source material and re-filmed it the way Kevin wrote it? Is it because it’s too long for a movie, as some suggest, or is there a deeper truth about the whole shebang?
We asked the participants in the 1993 film to weigh in, along with some of the best historians in the Earp field.
Bob Boze Bell is known as America's Western Storyteller. He is an artist, author, writer and serves as executive editor of True West magazine. Bell is a popular, sought-after figure in television documentaries about the Old West, appearing as an expert in dozens of Wild West history shows. Bell won an Emmy Award as Executive Producer of the PBS special, Outrageous Arizona, a zany look at the state's centennial, that he also wrote and helped direct. As an author, Bell has brought to life Billy the Kid, Geronimo, Doc Holliday, Wyatt Earp and Wild Bill Hickok in his best-selling Illustrated Life and Times series. His books Classic Gunfights I, II and III are must-reads about the most important Old West gunfights. Bell’s Bad Men is now in its fourth printing, while his illustrated autobiography, The 66 Kid: Raised on the Mother Road, gives personal insight into the passions that have driven him on his lifelong quest to interpret the history of the American West for audiences around the world.
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@stevensmith1911 2 жыл бұрын

"Hello Bob" ( BTK reference!) I could listen to you all day. Love it. Thanks!!

@cap5332 2 жыл бұрын

Another great job Bob, fascinating how the script was changed. Being able to visit both movies sets would've been a daisy.

@allend777 2 жыл бұрын

Tombstone is one of my top 5 favorite movies. Casting was the very best. Performances top notch. I can’t give this movie enough superlatives. The bad guys were as interesting to watch as the good guys!

@MPitchSOD12 2 жыл бұрын

I loved the Costner movie as well. I believe the real secret weapon for Tombstone was the cast. Tombstone had a much better cast than Earp did. Especially with Val Kilmer. I’m no expert as to if his portrayal was accurate or not, but he certainly stood out as did Michael Biehn and Powers Boothe. And of course you can’t go wrong with anything Sam Elliott does.Hopefully if Kevin’s script gets a mini series on Netflix hopefully , he can get a great cast.

@cavecookie1 2 жыл бұрын

Casting was brilliant in this movie. Val Kilmer will be hard to top as Doc Holliday, but the entire cast was perfect!

@moss8448 2 жыл бұрын

I felt Wyatt Earp was more of a character study; whereas Tombstone leaned towards an action flick in it's dialog/character development. Both were good but Tombstone won out as more appealing to the masses. We had a local critic at the time if she didn't like it we all went to see it no matter what it was that was our movie barometer.

@AGTtactical 2 жыл бұрын

Good grief. Kurt Russel outshined them all.

@kevinduane4348 Жыл бұрын

Wyatt Earp would be played by Kevin Hart

@desertliving3668 Жыл бұрын

I think so too. I am a fan of Costner, and Russell both. I think both were really good, with some big talent. But the support cast in Tombstone was absolutely over the top amazing. I truly do not think there was anyone in Tombstone that didn’t deliver an exceptional performance. And I mean no disrespect to anyone on Wyatt Earp.

@rendezvous5784 2 жыл бұрын

Mr. Bell, you are a fascinating man for sure! Your ability to covey your enthusiasm through your videos is second to none. It was riveting, thank you and keep them coming!

@boballen8093 2 жыл бұрын

Nice presentation. I had seen some time ago that the movie had to be rushed to meet certain timeframes and Kurt Russell felt that if those deadlines didn't exist the movie would have been an all time great, even though it still ranks very high. I really appreciate the behind the scenes look at both movies and like you, I hope I am still around if and when a movie or mini-series is made using the original script of Tombstone. Thanks again. P.S. I look forward to each issue of your magazine.

@billw5369 2 жыл бұрын

I worked TOMBSTONE for about last 10 weeks. I was the downstairs waiter in the Bird Cage and horseback with all my own gear, horses, saddle portraying Red Sash Gang. I got to sit down with Sam Elliot , ride and pic took with Buck Taylor, get my picture took with Kurt Russell, meet Harry Carey jr, Bill Fraker and talk about Monte Walsh, long list of good times. Long hours, good food, camping with my horses , riding and seeing neat country, and good pay for playing cowboy. Bill Weddle

@ralphh.2200 2 жыл бұрын

Did you have a chance to meet Dana Delany?

@billw5369 2 жыл бұрын

@@ralphh.2200 Nope.

@seanca7 2 жыл бұрын

I really enjoy your articles in True West and enjoyed listening to you tell the tale just as much. If you keep doing live streams, I'll keep watching them!

@chrislind2 2 жыл бұрын

My daughter and her boyfriend were in Tombstone at the end of last summer and he proposed to her shortly after the gunfight reenactment at the OK corral in front of the spectators. I have a video of it. I wish I could have been there.

@michaeltompkinssr9389 2 жыл бұрын

I am a True West subscriber and wasn't able to watch the comments live, but I sure enjoyed listening to the Bob's personal information relating to the two films. Also, I feel like I need to go back and re-watch Tombstone and Wyatt Earp after hearing about the wardrobe challenges when Kevin Costner decided to buy up the available costumes, leaving the Tombstone wardrobe availability to seek alternatives overseas. Thanks for doing this!

@randygates2001 2 жыл бұрын

I’m an old old rookie to true west. But have always been keenly interested in Westerns /Histories. Your knowledge, experience, and talent to share both just solidifies why I love the old west so much. Great job Bob, and thanks.

@desertdanblacksmith1394 2 жыл бұрын

Good stuff....thx.......I grew up in a Hotel (our family owned) in Colorado that was built in 1878. Love this stuff. I seen a historic photo of the Hotel in True West Magazine once . It was the Jackson Hotel ...Poncha Spga Colo. ....thx again from Golden Valley Arizona !

@jaynesager3049 16 күн бұрын

Loved Tombstone! The actors really captured the spirits of the people they portrayed. I loved the way they established the close bonds of the Earps, which drove the vendetta- I mean-pursuit of justice. I need to watch it again.

@elwsee1 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Mr Bell: First off, I want to THANK YOU for your “True West Magazine” and these You Tube Videos- I can’t get enough of them! ❤️ I live in Oklahoma City and I would like to ask you, if you would to do a Video or a Story about the Gunfight at Ingalls (outside of Stillwater, Okla). After I read about it, I believe it is every bit as “exciting” of a story as Tombstone or Coffeyville. If you have done something on it already, I apologize because I’ve missed it. Thank You again.

@Grant25 2 жыл бұрын

The movie is good but I definitely think the original script would’ve made it a masterpiece.

@timburleson1078 2 жыл бұрын

I loved Tombstone! It had all the elements that I like, action, bravado lines from the good guys and the swagger of the bad guys. The characters had more personality than Costner's movie. I can't wait to read the original script, thanks for the info!

@wserafin11 2 жыл бұрын

Great Stuff! My kids always kid me about True West magazine every time they see a copy on my desk or any number of tables in the house, especially because of the number years that I've been reading it. But the last time (this Christmas) my kids visited us, my son in law asked me to play my "Tombstone" DVD and he watched it late into the night before he, my daughter and grandson were to fly home to New York! So who gets the last laugh? POP POP!!

@k.j.lindsey3048 2 жыл бұрын

Really enjoyed it. Thanks! Looking forward to the March issue.

@debeholland 2 жыл бұрын

When it came out I WAS HOOKED! i have watched it so many times, its embarrassing . . . love your videos! So if they remake Jarre's version, IDK if it could have the personal connection . . . i would watch it if and when it may come out!

@richardburchell7312 Жыл бұрын

Me too Started at Cinema 2 times Then on VHS then onto DVD & Blu Ray I have watched this at least 30 times

@stevemccoy8138 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome Bob ! I saw both movies both were good but Tombstone was the best I think.. loved the show. Thanks

@RoseFelton 2 жыл бұрын

I agree! I saw both also and Tombstone is my all-time favorite movie.

@susanandtedjohnson3744 2 жыл бұрын

Mr Bell thank you for telling this info . i have both movies and enjoy Kurt Rusells version the most....matter of fact i am going to play it now. Thanks again,

@rustyphillips1984 10 ай бұрын

How very interesting! Amazing to know all the twist and turns in making these two films. Thank you sooo much.

@sogdal1 2 жыл бұрын

I like the old west stories and you make them even more interesting, thanks.

@raydrecker1883 2 жыл бұрын

Please make this a miniseries! "Kevin Jarre's Tombstone!"

@PAPITO_49 2 жыл бұрын

Enjoy very much your shows, Thanks

@ronholmstrom 2 жыл бұрын

Great stories of the old west. Thanks!

@Rick_King 2 ай бұрын

How about a sequel to Tombstone? Kurt Russell as a fifty-something Wyatt Earp, traveling to Alaska, living in Los Angeles, and mining near Vidal? Sam Elliott as a sixty-something Virgil Earp, working as a deputy sheriff in Goldfield, Nevada. Someone would have to write the script, but I think it would be awesome!

@douglaspkeatingjr3232 2 жыл бұрын

This is the coolest story. I will never forget, my first time in Arizona I was 12 years old and visiting a friends family. We went to Tombstone and I knew nothing of the story. Serendipitously, the movie Tombstone was in the theater and we watched it the next day. I was hooked, forever. I read everything I could and even moved out to Arizona to go to college at ASU in part due to my love for westerns! Thank you for this story! I really enjoyed it

@scottmcfarland2149 Жыл бұрын

Watched Tombstone for the umpteenth time two days before watching this video. Absolutely loved the information. Great job.

@DarcySullivan 2 жыл бұрын

Watched this with my son as we both love Tombstone. Fascinating! I think another saving grace of the film is its pace - it moves like a B picture. No fat, no slack. Costner had no one to say no to him, and no budget pressure. Russell was right!

@rmbion 2 жыл бұрын

I've long been an enthusiast of our western history, including Little Bighorn, Billy the Kid, and, of course, Wyatt Earp. Years ago I loved a series about the search for Troy. I recall especially the phrase "discovering new worlds for the imagination". Apt! That is precisely what Bob gives us.

@shyjames83 2 жыл бұрын

You may enjoy my book, “Billy the Kid: El Bandido Simpático” which will be released by University of North Texas Press this summer

@rogerpeterson5528 2 жыл бұрын

Great job Bob! Loved all the background stories. I could listen to you for hours! You are amazing....and lucky to visit both sets. I dream of being on a western movie set someday. See you down the trail. Keep those True West Mags comin'

@JohnBrown-qd4hv Жыл бұрын

Great job Mr Bell, I would love to see that miniseries!

@d-vision2426 2 жыл бұрын

Loved this video, Bob! A Tombstone mini series would be sweet! BTW I clicked the bell for Bell long ago! Peace!

@Go4Corvette 2 жыл бұрын

Great information and video hope to see more soon.

@kurtsumption77 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir! Enjoyed your comments about both Tombstone movies

@marcusbuckner5582 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, sir. It's sad that Costner's ego would go so low. I'm glad that possibly, providentially, the costumes worked out as such. Tombstone and The Outlaw Josie Wales are. 2 of my all timers. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts and good fortune.

@Washoejim 2 жыл бұрын

Really love the stories, keep them Bob.

@julianharrison8878 Жыл бұрын

Hi Bob loved this video and thank you for your expertise and enthusiasm on all other videos about the old west which has been a passion of mine for as long as I can remember watching the Saturday night western with my uncles over here some of the films even had Gabby Hayes getting the girl! I preferred Tombstone over Kevin Costner’s Wyatt Earp but would love to see Kevin Jarre’s original script filmed. Very best wishes. Jim Harrison. Cheshire. UK.

@alexandroslysais1798 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic post, really enjoyed it! Tombstone my favorite movie hands down. Would love to take a look at that orig. script. Excellent!

@plymouthduster225 2 жыл бұрын

Great video as always Bob. I'm a little late getting to watch but Tombstone is one of those movies that I can always watch everytime I find it on TV. I have it and the Wyatt Earp movie on DVD. I'm 30 years old but I grew up watching John Wayne movies and Bonanza and Gunsmoke with my grandparents. Wyatt Earp was a good movie also, but Val Kilmer as Doc Holliday is the main reason I alway liked Tombstone better.

@charlescomly1 2 жыл бұрын

Wes I did very much injoy your video and would like to see more done like this, thanks much Bob.

@jesselynch1928 Жыл бұрын

Bob Wonderful Video. I can’t wait to read that issue of True West. I am going to wait by my mailbox. Feb/Mar? Ok maybe I wait inside. Tombstone is one of my favorite movies. Love the costume story. As far as Wyatt Earp movie. I loved the scene where the brothers came to get Wyatt for the Tombstone fight and the cup of Steaming coffee was left on the table. I always thought that was a nice touch.

@rogeroday9408 2 жыл бұрын

Just found your channel. I used to listen to your radio show and have been a Wyatt fan since watching it on TV as a kid. Of the two movies, if someone were to blend those two scripts and shoot it as a mini series, WOW! The early life in Wyatt Earp, and the later in Tombstone would be a blowout. Thank you Bob.

@davidelack8809 2 жыл бұрын

I have been listening to you since the KSLX and Wild Country days. Lifetime mag subscription ( still can't believe you offered that). Love your work brother.Thank you for keeping the west alive and relevant.

@melvinmayfield470 2 жыл бұрын

Only from 'Sir' BBB, can we get this kind of historical narrative, both stimulating & entertaining! (And, let's not forget, informative & educational!) Many Thanks to You Sir!

@patrickrheaume6984 4 ай бұрын

I enjoy watching your videos, and giving great insights to the way things really went down.

@carinabella3393 Жыл бұрын

This was FASCINATING! Thank you. I have lost track of how many times I have seen Tombstone; such an incredible movie.

@timsears1341 2 жыл бұрын

this program, that you have now...IS WONDERFUL, Brother Bob !!

@stvhop 2 жыл бұрын

I always enjoy your content. Thanks.

@AetherflyerGames 2 жыл бұрын

This is great! Hope to see the mini-series.

@madmadjenny Жыл бұрын

I just found your channel and I love it!

@seanobrien2306 2 жыл бұрын

"Fast Forward" ..., Excellent video and important information by "Bob Boze Bell" ! ! * So good.., I watched the video, not once.., but twice... Excellent video, and thank you for sharing the video and information. I may.., watch it again... Mike O'Brien in Montana :)

@rodbrock4759 Жыл бұрын

Great channel Bob. Great movies and they should do all versions.

@myopinion999 2 жыл бұрын

Great show. Thanks

@williamboyd8688 2 жыл бұрын

Really good stuff Bob, keep it coming. Nice depth of detail and story telling in all your video and True West. The old west characters are fascinating especially for a westerner like me.

@blakehendrix7791 Жыл бұрын

Amazing story! I would love to read that original script.

@bw101449 2 жыл бұрын

Love the inside story of movies. This is absolutely wonderful

@androlibre9661 2 жыл бұрын

Tombstone was SO good.....and so ICONIC.....if they tried to go back and do it all again with the original scripts it would fail....Doc Holiday is owned by Kilmer. Cant think of an actor that fill those shoes

@theimp5901 3 ай бұрын

When they came out I thought Tombstone would be a classic. I love affirmation. Bob, you are spectacular and thanks . Legend wasn't bad just not Tombstone.

@robertiaccarino4363 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bob, good job from Tucson.

@debrataylor5025 2 жыл бұрын

I thoroughly enjoyed watching this movie. I got so caught up in watching this movie, that I actually felt as I were living in that time period! Love your story telling Bob! You definitely have the voice for it!

@bartetzenhouser2943 Жыл бұрын

Excellent job, as usual!

@russbaldwin8470 2 жыл бұрын

i love the channel please make more and give us TRUTH in history!!!

@keiththomas3141 2 жыл бұрын

Bob, thanks for posting. You know I've watched the movie "Tombstone" over 120 times! I loved the movie so much I moved nearby from back east. I still live near Tombstone. I never knew any of this though. I'll look for the March issue when I go to the store this afternoon. P.S. I bought the magazine today. Very good!

@solace829 2 жыл бұрын

Terrific commentary and passionate perspective .... as usual !

@jimsotomayor6846 Жыл бұрын

Interesting and informative information. Like the way he presents It bob’s knowledge of the Western history is impressive. I watch all of these talks that I can finand almost always learn Something

@franciscoflores8208 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, Sir! I'm a big fan of your work!

@fallout567 2 жыл бұрын

Enjoyed the insight. Very good job.

@slowmutants Жыл бұрын

Really enjoyed the stories! Subscribed.

@jb6027 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely brilliant. Well done.

@johnnash8000 2 жыл бұрын

Bob. Another great episode in your telling of Southwest history. I would love to meet you sometime and discuss a couple of my favorite topics. Back in the day you used to tell people to stop into the True West offices in Cave Creek for a visit. All the best.

@aussiejoker2031 Жыл бұрын

Very good as usual!

@oletimer5853 2 жыл бұрын

I think you awesome, sir. I share your passion for the ole west but not nearly as knowledgeable as you .. I enjoy your books greatly

@michealbrennan4310 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic job again bob alwasys enjoyable and great information Mike Calgary, Alberta

@Hazeltonpeakroad 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. Extremely informative. You're the 'master'.

@jamesrobinson433 Жыл бұрын

That was very interesting and I’m glad I watched it!

@stevemowery1656 2 жыл бұрын

Very enlightening.

@georgemoore7186 2 жыл бұрын

I liked both movies, I feel what made all the difference at the box office was you had to be a fan of Westerns to enjoy the Costner film, Tombstone had a lot wider appeal, if you enjoy, Westerns, Drama, Comedy, great writing, great acting great directing etc Tombstone had it all, up until then Rio Bravo was my fav Western and The Sting was my fav film of all genres, Tombstone is now the best I have ever seen of any genre, some of the greatest one liners of all time and there were many of them, the writing was out of this world and the delivery was just as good, Poor old Kevin had no chance with a comparison.....but that is nothing to be ashamed of cos it was incomparable, how it didn't clean up every category at the Academy awards can only be testament to the politics involved, it certainly wasn't anything about talent

@Tammy-un3ql 2 жыл бұрын

Great video Bob👌👌👌👌

@oletimer5853 2 жыл бұрын

I would love for you to do a video on my favorite western of all time, lonesome dove

@rosss.mortensen5862 2 жыл бұрын

Great job Bob and I sure hope you're right, it would be a treat to see the way it was originally written.

@ianriordan6382 2 жыл бұрын

My two favourite "modern" movies are Tombstone and Legends of the fall. They both build into revenge movies. I suspect that most people have un-resolved issues in life, so this type of movie appeals to them more than historical accuracy. As I live in "Kelly Country" in north east Victoria Australia, I see that hero-worship is well and truly alive 140+ years after they hanged poor Ned.

@gaetanovindigni8824 2 жыл бұрын

Tombstone may be the only western I have watched that reminds me of an Opera. And that is how I enjoy it. I can describe Tombstone as a tragedy using only the title of a Giuseppe Verdi Opera, 'The Force of Destiny". Each movie discussed captures the tragic nature of not only Wyatt Earp's life but many of the characters in each movie. But, for me, only Tombstone makes me remember my favorite Operas. Glad I found your video and will be watching from now on.

@robertdale711 2 ай бұрын

Great job

@robertoperia345 2 жыл бұрын

I would love to see the script resurrected as a mini series. I have long wished for a remake of "Big Jake" With Tom Selleck, Sam Elliott , And Wes Srudi. What do you thing?

@jesselynch1928 Жыл бұрын

If they remake Big Jake I hope they let dog make it through the end. And Sam too. Or at the very least have the ending reflect their loss. The ending seemed hurried

@kentharris3878 2 жыл бұрын

Really enjoying BBB's commentary on this and other topics (just listened to the bit about the gun that killed Billy The Kid). Looking forward to catching up on more from True West Magazine and Bob.

@rustyranchtx7353 2 жыл бұрын

Way cool... Thanks Bob

@goldrush49 2 жыл бұрын

Love this

@_Cryptotruth_ 2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant! Loved your story. Empathize with the boomer arrogance reference regarding writing a better script and taking your son to Tombstone premiere. Envy you. Nearly destroyed my life in midlife crisis believing I could be a better screenwriter/filmmaker than most in Hollywood (digital cameras were just coming out) & set out to prove it! Now that is arrogance! Told my wife I’d give up in 5 years if I hadn’t succeeded. She lasted 3, I won awards around the world and met with some of the top names in Hollywood before my 5 year goal arrived. My reward was being divorced, penniless and homeless. But, in my mind, I succeeded! Yeah, a film in itself! Thanks for your story on Tombstone & Wyatt Earp movies! Gripping!

@carlericpickett597 2 жыл бұрын

Great info.

@Jason942 2 жыл бұрын

Very informative.

@AIRRAID2 2 жыл бұрын

Neat to get the story about these two scripts . Thank you very much. Yeehaaw. Turning 40 and i grew up in Sweden we had all the classic western movies, and yeah a rerun of Flipper .. and a theme park called High Chaparral (still exist, look it up) Patrik. Edit. Shame he got fired. Still love that movie tho. Glad you got to see both sets 🤠

@tommybrunolesen5837 2 жыл бұрын

Bob Boze Bell: I think I speak for a lot of us regular viewers when I suggest if you could do a series on the boomtowns of the old west in TV/Books or both, just as you did on the gunslingers. I for one, would love for you to take me back to Dodge City KS, Las Vegas NM and other boomtowns from the first half century after the civil war. Thank you so much.

@lelandframe1029 2 жыл бұрын

Being from Kansas, I laughed out loud at "Wyatt Earp's" depiction of Dodge City with huge mountains in the background!! 😂

@johnvoorhees7881 2 жыл бұрын

Good stuff 👏 👍 👌 💪 🙌

@dwashbur Жыл бұрын

I'm a little surprised you didn't mention Robert Mitchum's accident that kept him from playing Old Man Clanton. I know a lot of the opening had to be rewritten because of that.

@dwaynecollins4974 2 жыл бұрын

I think the boxing phrase you're looking for is Marcus or Marquee de Queensbury rules. Having grown up in Ehrenberg, Arizona, I know with the experience of what real Western desert is like. I haven't seen Costner's movie, but I'm pretty sure that it won't surpass tombstone as one of the greatest westerns ever in storytelling, in that they stuck as close to the truth as I think they probably could. And you're storytelling and magazine are the same way plus being entertaining to boot! I wonder if there's a way to get a copy of true West with maybe Bob's autograph? On it ☺️ keep up the good work Bob and thank you!

@JarOfMoMack 7 ай бұрын

Jarre is one of the forgotten greats; also wrote the painfully underrated “The Devils Own” w/ Harrison Ford & Brad Pitt.

@dcb_75 2 жыл бұрын

Great story. It is kind of hard to believe that as good as Tombstone is that there might actually be a better version of it that we didn't get to see. I am with you, I hope they make it. I think their biggest issue is going to be casting - it is always an issue with any movie but it will be bigger with this one. Even if people don't know that this is the original script for Tombstone, people will automatically be comparing the acting to Kurt, Val and all the rest because they were so good in it so the movie will have a disadvantage right from the start. But I think the time is right now that we have had shows like Deadwood, Justified, Yellowstone, etc - people are getting back into the western groove again so what better time to make this.