I think mid-level hybrid Ferraris probably will fall in value lower than older pure ICE Ferraris. Once the seven year extended Ferrari warranty is over, there aren’t going to be many people wanting to take the risk with a £20k 296 battery. Buyers of out of warranty cars are going to much prefer F8, 488, Pistas, 458, than take the risk of a hybrid. Different market to £3m LaFerrari.

I'm 25 and I very vividly remember the Autotrader book

Re: the Panamera, do what GT3-owners used to do: take the ceramics off and store them. Install steel discs and then you reduce your bills and risks. But most of all: just don't buy anything made by VAG.

50k for a panamera that old? awful purchase 50k gets you a 2018 panamera turbo with okay miles

Whenever we used to go to big Tesco for our weekly shop on a Friday night as a kid, me and my dad always used to get the autotrader catalogue and then spend the rest of the night looking through the sports and prestige category. I've just turned 29 so i'm shocked Sam didn't know it was a thing 🤣

I remember in South Africa we used to have Autotrader Classifieds restocked weekly and were free of charge. I would spend literal days reading those front to back and back to front. My poor grandmother 😅

Yes the auto trader book. Smudged fingers and a wish list. Great days Tony

Sting Ray vs Shark was peak in this episode! Tony’s fear of the sea!

I agree with Tony on the SF90, can't see those climbing value wise. Not by much anyways

That Panamera is incredible😍

Sam !!! You can get a decent Bently GT or an amazing Merc 4 seater (Like the one Tony had in stock for a week) for £50k

Great episode, brilliant format, classics, what Sam wants this week, new Rangerover SVR! Ferrari s & depreciation, what cars we have seen this week , worth a mention, Geneva motor show top picks, random hot hatch demise. Small talk electric cars (yuk) fantastic show. Same again please next week 🎉😊

Another paper for supercars used to be the Sunday Times car section. I remember during the height of the yuppie boom in the eighties, people were selling Testarossas for £250'000 when the list price was probably about £85'000. I remember when the first SL55 came out, new one's were being advertised for £150'000.

Sam & Toni you seem to forget that 296, sf90... are hybrids. I've driven both and they are AMAZING cars. But most people (me for example) don't trust them: hybrid, very complex cars technically, who would get one after the warranty expires... nobody. Also, every year there's a new hybrid coming out with better performance, autonomy, efficiency.. However, there will never be a new F12 TDF or 458. Naturally aspirated, V8 or V12.

Sam’s older than me and I used to get paper auto trader. Bought an Impreza from a fella in High Wycombe when I was 18 and I specifically remember seeing it in the paper.

Prior to Autotrader, I remember there was a shop in Hove called Contact-A-Car. It was set up like an estate agent but with photos of the (mostly private vendor) cars for sale in the window instead of houses. You turned up with your car, and the bloke popped out and took a photo of it outside on the street with a Polaroid camera. I used to have a look to see what was for sale most weekends.

Printed Autotrader, those were the days, rose tinted specs 🙂 And the local newspapers, full of dealer adverts and private ad's. private ad's in the local paper was the way to go, and all the cars were local.

So I listen to your podcast every week when I am out on my weekend ‘easy run’ as part of my half marathon training. I have heard countless times you and Tony talk about ‘Super SUV’s’ and asking what the point is. Allow me to explain - I am a petrolhead through and through, at 41yrs old I have bought and sold 60 plus cars of all shapes and sizes but then 2 years ago after a dream purchase (997.1 Carrera cab) took me to Le Mans and back - we dropped anchor! My daughter started competing on her horse! 😮 All of a sudden I needed something that could tow a horse box, negotiate muddy car parks so owned a string of double cab pickups. But then a 💡 moment - if I buy a 2015 (pre OPF) RRS SVR we can tow the horse box to the competition on the Sat and I can put it in hooligan mode and go out for a blat with the lads on the Sun. Otherwise I am looking at owning and maintaining something like a Gen 1 R8 manual for Sun drives and a Ranger for Sat horse duties. Not many people will say this but the SVR saves me money 🤷‍♂️ one lot of road talk (although hideous), one service a year, one parking space it literally couldn’t be better suited! There are probably others out there in a similar position but we are that small group that can make sense of the Super SUV. I hope to be getting into one at the back end of this year and plan to take it to Le Mans with me next year 💪🏻💪🏻 Keep up the incredible podcasts, you are a good combo of characters and help me while away the miles every weekend 👌

I so much enjoy Tony's funny voice😊

I remember autotrader and top marques mag brilliant times

Re the advert for the Pamamera. When the tyres are described as having 4mm at the back and 5-6 at the front you really have to wonder the type of buyer the company are expected to attract.

@8:05 I've seen that guy you're talking about when he turned up in his Reventon Roadster for a local breakfast meet. You couldn't tell he owned all these cars as he dressed in casual clothing and even stuck his umbrella over it when it started raining. Seems like a nice guy.

Great content 🎉

Great as always. Just wanted to say you can get a DBX 707 for a smidge over £150,000!

It wasn’t the Northern Beaches where the leg was bitten off 😂😂😂 but it was Sydney harbour! South side of the harbour and yeah the harbour has plenty of bull sharks. They have bad eyesight so a pale leg from Old Tone would likely scare them even without their glasses on 😉

Funny that you mentioned Maggari as I have been looking at one of their cars on their site

Super SUV's are just modern interpretation of status symbol. I don't think there is anything else in it. I originally thought they might be new version of super wagons, due to they "practicality" but I think they are way more of a status symbol than super wagons or sedans ever were... They are more like supercars for people who don't want to live with one..

RS6 needs DRC to help it manage the weight. The air suspension can’t control the weight when driven aggressively, but for daily use the air suspension is nice.

Tony is right....Its one of the reasons I will never visit Australia. Everything there is trying to bite you, eat you or sting you....that's the reason we used to send criminals there - they weren't expected to survive! Add to that the horrendous long flight, and its just not worth the trouble. 😉

There was nothing better than the printed Auto Trader. Used to love it as a kid and adult. What a time.

Next video on Seen Through Glass: “everything that’s wrong with my Panamera”😂😂😂

It’s great to see Timmy Mallet back on our screens.

Great episode! Get the panamera Sam!!!

I remember looking through the autotrader mag as kid while waiting to get my haircut

there are 52 used Ferrari 296 GTB's for sale in the US most of them are delivery mileage.

Love the way Ineos have ripped off the Defender and now the G-Wagon.

“It’s a computer.” Tony said it, and that’s the reason all new-new cars will struggle on the used market. As someone who works on their own Ferrari, the only potential issues that scares me are the electronic ones, and that’s for a 430, which isn’t even 10% as complicated as these new cars, especially hybrids. In order for cars to become safe second hand purchases, repair-ability matters. Not reliability, REPAIR-ability. The enthusiasts buying these cars second hand understand they will come with maintenance needs and repairs, that’s not scary. Heck, some of us even like the projects! But if they’re projects no one can afford or easily perform (like hybrid or electronic repairs), then no, we will pass. An engine rebuild is less scary than chasing down hybrid issues. Old computers become bricks once they’re no longer supported. So turning these cars more and more into computers means it’ll be a brick later too. Even if that’s not entirely true, that’s how it will always be perceived. Because we all see cars from the 50s still running, but we don’t see people using the original Apple computer.

Great podcast. Was import bad here in America 🇺🇸 that stop the jdm price and why their so high on sorten cars .

Isn't Magari Automotive the auto shop that Petrol Ped had his Mini worked on?

Sam: 'why should l not buy it'? Tony: 'cos it's a pile of shit'! Ha, love it!

Anything manual and naturally aspirated V8/V12/flat 6 and if its built in limited number even better also what do you think of Clarksons recent comments about supercars being too difficult and too powerful? Big fan of the channel

The EV with the generator on board is the way! Crazy Ram was first with that!

Things used to depreciate, and still should, cars used to be driven, now everyone thinks everything is a collectible and it's ridiculous and boring now. When I was in high school my girlfriend at the time, her mom had an F40 and she drove it everywhere, took it grocery shopping all the time, I am glad I got to experience cars like that when they were actually used. It was also nice when exotics were truly rare to see, it was special.

Interesting hearing about the dealer margin and buying and selling cars. I recently sold a car - I did the online we buy any car thing and they offered me 38,200. I tried carwow and got offered 39.000. Both of these offers were open to being lowered on viewing the car in person of course. I went to my local independent car dealer (with a similar size business to Tony, 20-50 cars on the lot and of similar price range). He examined every inch of the car and said "I can only offer you 46,000". I bit his hand off.

Like Father Christmas 😂 cracks me up.

Sam, mate use case scenario if this is a daily get the diesel version of it if you like the shape etc

Auto Trader was published in Reading and for a few quid could pick it up at the back of the warehouse hours before it was on the shelves! 😝

Just regarding the stingrays, totally harmless if left alone. Look up Hamelin Bay, go there and give them a tickle

Saw a new Range Rover Sport next to an old RR Sport SVR. The new one is 'Massive' !!! Bigger in every way. Now way could you think 'Sport' could be associated with that car.

And there was a Machine Mart as well. I guess that's gone too.

Collector car market doomed?! I hope not! I’m up to my eyeballs in Multiplas!

I dont get the draw of delivery mile cars because you wouldnt want to be person to actually use it. The lee collection is epic because the cars are driven all the time the keys given to mates to use. Give me a high mileage well looked after car

Yep, autotrader, or the book of dreams. I used to set myself a made up budget and then see what I could have bought that week - magic. 👍

I have a 2016 Panamera GTS 4.8 in Carmine Red. I have a wife, two young sons and dog so it’s perfect. I had a 911 before and will get one again when kids grow up. Servicing reasonable so far.

Picking Classics out of what are essentially expensive cars to begin with isn't really guessing as most will become classics anyway. Who'd have thought a Ferrari or a Porsche might become a classic one day? The cars that you don't expect to become classics are the ones that surprise everyone who ever owned one, sold it for peanuts, or scrapped it For example any M series BMW or RS Audi will become classic at some point, they are already quite rare because most people can't afford them to begin with. as they get older the not so good examples get bought up and thrashed around until something major goes wrong and then either get broken for spares or scrapped. The Good ones will never be affordable because nobody will sell a good low mileage car cheaply. Most will be retired to the Garage and Sunday driven in fine weather until they suddenly become very collectable. But who would have thought 40 years ago that an Austin Mini 1000 that were 2 a penny costing anything from £50-£200 would be a £15-20K classic, Or a Rot box like the XR3i a £20K classic (yeah the RS turbo and Sierra Cosworth were always going to be classics) Opel Manta, maybe thought that could be a classic at the time but Cortina mk3 couldn't see it. And then there's SAAB Aero models or even better Rare Viggen and Carllson models. 900s and 9000 Aeros and Carllsons will already cost you £5k for a shed and a good one closer to £10k A 93 Viggen will set you back anything from £7-12K depending on mileage and condition. I sold a NG SAAB 93 Aero 3 or 4 years ago for £800 I currently couldn't buy it back for £2.5K I still Have an OG SAAB 93 Hot Aero Coupe (Rare 3 door) as it is now it's worth £1,500-£2k It needs some work if it was tidied up its worth closer to £4K-£5K Although mine would cost you that much to get it in that condition. What makes anything (not just cars) become classic or collectable Is Familiarity and Nostalgia. With Cars that will tend to be a Sporty Variant of what was otherwise a popular but non descript mass produced car. Something like a VXR Vauxhall or any car in a special Sport model. Or at the other end something so bad that nobody would be seen dead in one think BMW Isseta fiat 500 the original one morris Minor Ford Consul, Capri . Basically if it survives and gets to 40 years old it'll become both classic and expensive no matter what it is.. And that's because as adults you will either remember your Parents, Grand Parents or the old boy down the road having one, or maybe if you're old enough you or your mates having one when you 1st passed your driving test. I used to Joke with one of my mates about the old bangers we drove around in our teens being future classics that our kids would buy. Basically If I still had every car I'd ever owned I could buy a large house on the proceeds of selling them as for my mate he'd be able to by a mansion and country estate as he only ever bought the top of the range sport models and has likely owned 100-150 cars. As for New electric and hybrid cars they won't become classics because the electronics in them will die or time bombs in the firmware will kill them. long before they get old enough to become collectible These cars other than prestige marques or sporty super cars will become disposable items that people lease rather than own. And when that happens unless your car runs on dead dinosaurs it won't be a classic.

As cringy as the Stock Watch song is, it's still better than when Sam tries to do his best American accent 😂😅

I live in Australia and it's actually pretty safe here... Just don't swim anywhere you can't see the bottom or put your hands where you can't see. There's nothing that dangerous to humans on land, so long as you leave the venomous stuff alone.

Rate my ride... Will be more like 'Slate my ride' if Tony's doing it

i made it to the end! i am the 1%

Happen to agree with Tony, Can't see any EV's being collectable like cars with pistons. None of them are remotely interesting.

We know Tony is right.

Has Sam seen that Litchfield are doing 992 GT3 Touring conversion?

Anything pre 2024 without the new ADAS systems will do ok..because you can guarantee at some point there will be a software update so you can’t turn it off..

Buy the Porsche. I recently lived in Switzerland where seven years ago I bought a highly spec’d Macan. I put on ceramic brakes because of all the mountains etc. The car, which I still have, has done over 100,000 miles, the discs remain perfect, I have yet to change the pads. The only problem I have had is a faulty transfer box which was replaced, free of all charges, after the three year guarantee expired because Porsche acknowledged that it was a weak point with the Macan. If you keep it two years and in the worst case scenario only lose £12,500 pa, I think you’ve had a result personally…….although for not much more, I probably would buy a Taycan !

Please talk about classic bmws, their prices seem to have been skyrocketing globally.

My dream car is a shelby gt because of gone in 60 seconds Eleanor 😊. Know nothing about cars but would love to have that one day can you guys talk about it.

No i don´t think the 296 is a future collectors car. Like most modern cars really. Cause it is full off tech that will be outdated very soon. And when Ferrari stops making them, how long will you be able to get parts? Like the batterypack, the touchscreens, the software updates and things like that. Once the touchscreens stop working or Ferrari stops the software updates they will be useless. And this is not just Ferrari but most cars these days. They might be collectable in 20 years for those that only want it to sit in a nice garage and never be used. But not for people that wants to drive it.

Are either of them two going to talk about their friend Archie now selling prestige cars? Some of his super cars might get a mention on “Stock Watch”

Sam, Tony is right - you have got too much money! Sub 20mpg, high servicing, car tax and insurance costs, and huge depreciation is not cheap motoring!

A big McLaren update would be a good segment. You used to bash them for their faults. Have they sorted this problems out now? What about the new variants? All clear now?

I have the M3 Touring since 2 months now and I'm so happy it gets all the praises. Absolutely love this car

Collectable cars: they need to be a/ good cars, b/ low numbers - not GT3 low numbers (cos' there are loads of GT3s), but restricted "n x 100 built", c/ with a market of the right age customers. Without this, the cars will be just normal depreciating assets and as build numbers are no so high, that's pretty much all cars. The F1 & Carerra GT are great example, fits the bill for a, b and c above. Just like a 250GT0. I own a GT3, it's falling in value and will contionue to do so. Only very very special stuff is collectable as in investment.

cars like a 1970s aston v8 went from 30k to 130k in under 10 years .. the issue is that there are not the buyers for these cars at these prices.

"This woman only lost her leg!" Steve's dead." PMSL........

Harry’s Garage bought the diesel purely on the basis of Land Rover’s latest deal. It’s 5.9% APR for the diesel and every other model is over 10% APR which makes them too expensive.

sell a couple of acres of the family estate !

I would say it’s timing , 50’s and 60’s classics look to be stagnating and even falling in price while the 80 and 90’stuff is starting to boom . In essence you need to buy super cars which a wealthy middle age person lusted after as a teenager !

People don't understand the difference between real and nominal investment returns. By the time you factor in storage costs, maintenance, insurance and the illiquidity, cars as an investment are not comparable to financial markets. People forget about the previous classic car crashes.

I remember buying autotrader every week, dreaming of buying a car 🥹, looking at the prices. Still have a few lying around

The shark attack was in Elizabeth Bay, Sydney. Her legs okay. She use to live in my building

You only need to wait 15 yrs that’s statistically when the people can afford their dream car as a kid

Rather than a new SV, you’d buy a new diesel variant of the RRS and an R8. Surely!

This is why I have owned my Escort Cosworth for 28 years 😂

It’s really telling when Retromobile had more of a hype surrounded around it than Geneva.

I like that Panamera, I would at that money.

If I had a pound for every time they said the word ‘literally’, I could buy a 360 CS cash.

I tried to skip the Stock Watch jingle and was horrified when I landed RIGHT in the middle

Just my personal opinion but I’d never buy an SUV, I just don’t see the point in them. I like the look of some but always see the price and revert to an estate, just far better looking to me and better value. For the price of that SV you could buy a brand new M3 Touring and an almost new 911. Madness!

The worlds economies are suffering under the mountain of debt, which 'we' can not pay off. That realization seemingly hasn't sunk in yet, but when it does it will be exciting times to see what maintains it's value, the winners and looses. Will it be classic cars that suffer, fine art, house prices and real estate? The next 3 years are going to be interesting. The central banks created a problem they can't get out of, since we live in a debt based economy, they need to increase the debt to stay afloat which at the same time destroys the system through inflated prices. A classic 'doom loop'.

Can you not buy Autotrader anymore.

The question is are we actually going to be able to insure and drive old cars in this country within the next few years

Just the stupid mechanism in rear to get drink holders is an example of stupid technology waiting to break. Nouveau rich kitsch

Spend £55k on a BMW M5, job done 👌🏼👌🏼😂

YOu can buy a 707 now for 150K used with crica 10k mile...surely that is now the super SUV to get value wise??

magari means cars in swahili

have you been following the EU proposed laws about 15 year age max repairs for ice cars

I love the 296, the best supercar on the market by far, already put more 50000km on my

12:36 wasn’t supposed to be funny but it was

The 296 is sold

Wow! That ruinously-expensive-to-run VAG junk Panamera accelerates about as fast as a F20 BMW 140i xDrive! Oh, wait, you don't get the xDrive in the UK... Just think about it: the BMW 140i has about the same amount of space (4 people plus the same baggage), is pretty much exactly as good to drive (BMW more fun and dynamic, while the 2-ton Pig is more 'competent'), and only very slightly less quiet and comfortable...