"It just works"

Both sides are also dumb for just sending away their most recent recruit with a artifact of highly cultural(?) value

The "secret document" is just a request for Ysolda to provide more Cure Disease Potions and Toilet Paper for the Legion encampments, at the usual price. COVID-19 has put a great strain on the usual supply lines, and General Tullius doesn't trust Maven Black-Briar not to send to cheap stuff that scratches everyone's asshole, like she did last time. 😂

@@GlidingZephyr Jeez!

Dumb I know, tho Ulric's idea of a poisoned crown isn't any better, it's like he plans to eat the crown or smth.

I don't think they know the details of th engagement, you're the first one reporting back. Even then, neither seems like the type to care about a few dead soldiers over the main objective, as cold as that sounds.

How? Their in pre-medieval times. You know how quick news travel during that period

Hey, if one soldier can best dozens of your others, it's probably a worthwhile trade.

It just means that you're good enough to replace all of them.

*Me deep into the campaign's 3rd act with the sole purpose of completion with 0 kills at endgame* Why would they? I'm the victim here! It's that PSYCHO , Lydia! She has this grudge after I made her carry 400 giant's toes and just keeps stalking me. I never killed any of them! Really, I'm being stalked. The guards act like they don't know because they're bigoted nords who hate outsiders. She showed up in Breezehome last night. I woke up and she was sitting there at the foot of my bed staring at my wife she just said I smell different when I'm awake, walked out calmly, and then sharpened a dagger at the whetstone next door for 6 consecutive hours.

You. You deserve a Gold Medal.

After the Jagged Crown betrayal, do Season Unending and make sure every decision favours the Stormcloaks, THEN win the war for the Empire!

Fight for imperials? Fight for nords? How about I fight everybody instead?

Alpharius people in the comments. 😂

​@@tarziq Wh40k fan?

he is even wearing the crown while having common cloths, he turned his social class into a legendary

The sigma mindset holds no boundaries to loyalty

Those orcs, up to no good as usual

@@lukehutchinson499 They're barbarians.

reason to use the mod that lets ur dragonborn tilt their head to the speaker when they talk

Plot twist: The crown, while being a symbol to rally people, is also a key ingredient to imperial nachos. Manslayer reference for those wondering.

Well to be fair on him poison immunity is a thing.

What was the chef called in the Dark Brotherhood quest? Remember how you can impersonate him and put in random ingredients like Giants Toe and a Septim in the Emperors doubles food? Well the Crown is an ingredient. :D

As you may have assumed the amazing Nord people of skyrim aren't very bright.

Forbidden onion ring

Yes it is i the dragonborn, with the greybeards at my side, wearing the crown that is meant to go to any jarl for the title of high king, what is it that you peasants want?

Comment as tu fait cela ?

And then FUS RO DAH

​@@PandoraWolveCrowIl suffit simplement de récupérer la couronne puis ne pas avancer dans la guerre civile et faire la quête principale jusqu'au moment où il faut négocier la trêve

I did that once. I imagined the dagger looks I’d be getting if that were in real life.

Yeah, he basically treats you as your homie, bro

I know right. Once I tried a roleplay with a character being very loyal to Ulfric and the Stormcloaks. The peace council was VERY unbalanced yet he still remained calm and respectful - unlike Ulfric, who didn't want to give away ANYTHING and was acting like a child there. Tullius is just great.

@Muffinator Yeah, Ulfric was as much an asset to the Thalmor as Bin Laden was an asset to the CIA. Do you see where I am going with this? Ulfric was considered an asset when he did on his own what the Thalmor wanted to happen. Drive the Foresworn out of Markarth. Though it is true that the war draging on only benefits the Thalmor the conclusion that you have to join the Empire is wrong. You just have to end the war one way or another, doesn't really matter who wins.

@@jasperzanovich2504 Exactly. Though I like the general's character and think it's a shame he has to die.

@Muffinator I think the main reason people hate the Imperial Legion is because at the last second Bethesda changed the game around, cut a bunch of content and made it look like they were more of the bad guys. If you download a mod that restores and changes the opening a bit, I can't remember exactly which mod but I'll find the link if I can. If you do, you'll see that Tulius was as uninterested in helping the thalmor as everyone else. No one likes the Thalmor but the Stormcloaks want everyone to act like the Imperials are a bunch of Elven asswipes. Really, all they have to do is get Ulfric's head out of his ass and turn him on the Thalmor themselves in secret. Of course you can't just wage war, the Empire knows that. I know both sides are bad in their own way. I hate it whenever I have to hear an Imperial troup go on and on about wanting to kill another one of "Ulfric's boys" and I think about the Stormcloaks that are just trying to save their families and go home. But I can't in good faith sit idly with the Stormcloaks while they slaughter the Imperials while they suffer the same fate and what tips me in the Imperials favor is that the Imperials seem to be going in the right direction, slowly let the Thalmor get lazy and then when they think they've got the upper hand, rip their fucking throats out.

Ulfric don't need no security 😤💯

I mean, to be fair, Ulfric kinda IS his own living weapon. And I'm sure even if the Dragonborn ran off with his axe, he could always just get some other shmuck to deliver a replacement. Tullius don't got no backup if the Dragonborn handed those documents over to Galmar or something

Not a literal axe

@@gordistador ?

ulfric sounds like a pretty capable warrior, after all, he also knows how to shout

I just found out Lmaooo

Is it really mid campaign tho? I thought it's up until the Battle of Whiterun, which is pretty early on.

@@CameronKiesser I meant more as in an ongoing campaign, not the literal midpoint

@Xyyton What? Do the Imperial soldiers not prompt you to join the Legion? Though if you join the the Stormcloaks immediately after finishing the prologue, then I suppose it makes some sense.

@Xyyton Follow Hadvar instead of Ralof when you start a new game. there's two doors to the fort you enter when you're escaping Alduin Follow Follow Hadvar to the far left door and he will lead you to the Imperial Questline.

I thought I was the only one who noticed that

Yeah Tulius is happy to take a dump while discussing important matters. Says a lot!

Oh thank you I thought I was the only one.

Truly a tactical genius

@@runtergerutscht4401 the greatest mind of the imperial army i must say.

Why Tullius is a GENIUS

Plot twist: he gave the Dragonborn false information, and sent an elite agent to give the Jarl the right information. If the Stormcloaks reacted according to the false information; Tullius would know the Dragonborn was a spy.

@@Dimitrije_Sukovic That would make him a genius if only that were the case. That would be interesting to see in the game.

you'd get disowned by both sides pretty quickly but it'd still be funny.

Wouldn't work the other way though. If you have ulfrics axe to tullius he'd just be like "gee thanks!" Since it doesn't make sense as a declaration of war on tullius.

And then they both turn on you but only the Dragonborn walks out alive so Skyrim belongs to the DB by process of elimination

@@TnD_BigJax Both sides argue whether or not there's 9 divines. They're wrong. There's 10, and that 10th one is fucking ME

​@@kingkarmaah8847 must have been fun

Lmao. That's the only thing I could look at.

Imagine having Ralof join the Empire with you or vice versa.

@@CameronKiesser Lmfao that would be funny. It would be even better if they had special dialogue about it!

@@CameronKiesser if there isn’t a mod for that, there should be lol. Would be interesting. ^_^

Marrying Hadvar is still one of my biggest goals in life

@@alexandrasimon7191 Hopefully you can accomplish this.

I wouldn’t say it was a misunderstanding, it’s pretty accepted lore-wise the Dragonborn was trying to illegally cross the border from Cyrodiil to Skyrim and got walked right into an Imperial ambush along with the Stormcloak soldiers. Now the PC attempted execution, yeah that was definitely a mistake lol.

@@IbexGundyr it was def a mistake but tbf he could’ve been lumped in with the rebels or the more plausible one was that with Ulfric in line for the chopping block they really didn’t wanna waste any time deliberating between which prisoner lives and which doesn’t so as to really speed up the process so that Ulfric gets beheaded and the Stormcloaks lose their general-king

@@IbexGundyr It was also against imperial law for that to be a crime worthy of execution

​@@issstari954well, Tullius was trying to kill Ulfric right there and then to end the civil war, he didn't know that both you and Lokir are not a stormcloak, but since the thalmor were up his ass back at Helgen to release ulfric, he had no choice.

@@bunnitomoe3866 True true but you can say strictly speaking Tullius was breaking imperial law in trying to execute the player I know they did for gameplay reasons but they actually would of started with Tullius first as to demoralize the rebellion no reason they couldnt have

do you think he has a laurel crown above his twig and berries?

@@Akaryusan he strikes me as a yanny kinda guy ;)

From a gameplay perspective, it would be awesome From a lore perspective, it's the same as the Stormcloak rebellion, it would endanger the empire and races of men from the next Thalmor campaign.

Yeah I can’t really see a reason for it either, what would the dragonborn rally people under? The fact they’re player 1 and only their actions can change the game? People already complain about that enough, no thank you

@@beau9334 but you see the dragonborn is the hero if skyrim not just by name but by action he literally goes around helping people and making sure people live safely all while protecting them from bigger threats all you need to do is give this man some charisma and people Will rally around his actions which everyone view's as for the good of skyrim

@@OLDSACKS expect this rebellion have a king who can actually use shouts to fight in a war, dragons to aid him, possibly vampire or vampire hunters joining him and the bend will that in theory can let him enslave people and gain EVEN more dragon allies and we haven't even touched on the skill trees or equipments yet

Feels a bit too much like the Wild Card ending in New Vegas, but at the same time the Civil War isn't integral to the main plot of Skyrim, it's more like a backdrop setting. I assume the biggest issue with making the Dragonborn the ruler of Skyrim being that if you can do that before you face Auldin there really wouldn't be much of a reason why you don't lead an entire army to face him by the end of the game. No way in hell could Bethesda's game engine handle that. That also kind of goes against the way the main characters are handled in the Elder Scrolls, they're always these larger than life big damn Heroes that become legendary figures who slip into history. They never become Kings or Polticians because they're too busy scouring the world, you're an adventurer at heart, not some busybody pencil pushing politician.

i have not even notice XD XD XD XD XD

The Empire already tried to claim Ulfric’s life once. He’s also a victim of Thalmor torture and imprisonment. His paranoia is warranted, the Bear of Markarth has a steel heart and a disposition as cold as Olde Atmora

It's not wise to trust someone that's trying to switch sides; they're a traitor. At least Ulfric had the traitor deliver an axe as a symbolic message where, at very worse, he loses an axe rather than sensitive intelligence which could be used against his own forces.

@@LawlessNate the letter's contents arent that secret though he just asks the jarl to be loyal to the legion doesnt he?

The virgin paranoid Stormcloak VS The Chad Roman bro Tullius

That's why tullius is stupid, he don't care u betrayal or a spy

Yeah that would be awesome

Bethesda is too lazy to ever create that lol

@@nainorotodox The civil war was a really big missed opportunity.

Or becomes the High King or Queen of Skyrim.

Would be a pretty sick mod.

Clear out a bandit fort instead I suppose.

You can save them both?

@@wisnu7846 Nah, you can still only leave Helgen with one of them, but the other survives. That is to say, if you leave Helgen with Hadvar but then join the Stormcloaks, you will see Ralof, and vice versa. If you went to Riverwood with Ralof, and then you join the imperials, Havdar's dialogue will be a bit more negative towards you, and vice versa. Not sure what happens if you escape Helgen with one of them, then join the opposite faction, and then switch back to the faction of your Helgen friend.

@@TaxFraudTutorials I'll test out what happens if you escape Helgen with one of them, then join the opposite faction, and then switch back to the faction of your Helgen friend when the anniversary edition comes out lol

That'll be an interesting discovery, for sure.

@@TaxFraudTutorials That's a video I think a lot will want to watch.

the good ending

@@yep1486 the BEST ending

@@yep1486 Bittersweet ending

@@yep1486 the chaotic good ending

Khajiit just has coin. No wares.

I want to keep the crown

Not only that, i already knew where it was (on my 7th playthrough) so i went console command and stole it from the grave and wore the crown with the dragon bone armor and damn did it look badass

Only selfish murderhobos who think everyone should bow down to them, you mean.

@@ferdinand5223 they should, you’re the goddamn dragonborn

@@ferdinand5223 if you think otherwise, your bloodline is weak and history will forget you.

He had a huge amount of resources compared to Ulfric. Tullius had an empire behind him. Cunning has nothing to do with it.

It's not something he can repeat.

The empire barely gives him any soldiers, to them the civil war in Skyrim is just a sideshow compared to what’s going on in Cyrodiil. It’s said multiple times, and canon, that he’s a military genius. And he hates the Thalmor.

@@mr.jameson218 Cyrodill sent practically no resources, only reason why the war is at a stalemate is because it's being fought by farmers and ex Legion soldiers. The real Fighters down in Cyrodiil have bigger concerns than a rebellion of farmers led by a Thalmor puppet.

@@HereticHero Oh geez, you're one of those blind fools who thinks Ulfric is working for the Thalmor aren't you? I'm not gonna try to convince you the stormcloaks are the better side or that you should like Ulfric or any of that, you can decide all that on your own, but lets clear up this huge myth that has literally nothing that its even based on. Ulfric does not now nor has he ever worked for or aided the Thalmor in any way. He was imprisoned and tortured by them for years, and when he finally returned home it was to find his father dead and his people under the rule of an empire that was selling out to those same thalmor. He took charge of Windhelm as the rightful Jarl, appealed to Torygg to take a stand against the Thalmor and the empire. Torygg didn't respond for 5 years. Ulfric called for a moot. Nobody wanted to do that either, so he challenged Torygg to a duel and the rest is history. Literally the only thing that leads people to believe that Ulfric is working for the thalmor is their inability to read the dossier the Thalmor keep on him. They list him as an asset - at which point all imperial supporting players go blind and proclaim him a thalmor puppet - but this only means they think they can benefit from him and his actions - aka the civil war he is fighting - but they also say that they are not in contact with him (meaning he's not working for them) and that a Stormcloak victory to the war is worst case scenario for them. If the stormcloaks win the war, the thalmor lose their foothold in skyrim and if they attempt to invade (which is their endgame - they want to rule all of Tamriel) they have to cross Cyrodiil, then face an entire nation of famously relentless mountain men on their home turf. All of which is to say, they want the civil war to go as long as possible, weakening the entirety of Skyrim, but for the Empire (who is already caving to their demands and advances) to ultimately "win" so they can then swoop in and take charge. If you want a much more in-depth analysis of all this shit, look up ThatSwordGuy. He did a full month of Skyrim based content on tiktok, then put up a video here on yt weighing the imperials and stormcloaks and determining the rights and wrongs of both.

But it got explained quite clearly in the opening cinematic? Wrong place, wrong time. Running battle caught up to you in the wilds cause you didn't move fast enough or hide well enough. Honestly, why would he bother to hear you proclaim your innocence? You were caught with enemy soldiers in a place where there should have been no one else around, at the border no less. Even if you were somehow innocent, you were border jumping. In some, heck MOST medieval societies IRL, that is also punishable by death.

@@135Fenrir What border jumping? It is an Empire made of of provinces. That is like saying I can't visit any province in Canada I want or an American not allowed to visit any state they want. The border the game is referring to is not an international border.

@@freedomnews7922 A fractured empire, where each province is now trying to fend for themselves. Even in OUR middle ages, commoners who were caught trying to "escape" or enter another province without permission were considered to be traitors and were either killed on the spot or returned for trial.

@@135Fenrir Unfortunately, you are trying to associate fantasy with reality. Which rarely works. From the dialogue it seems the only reason why the Dragonborn was captured was wrong place and wrong time. Not to mention there is nothing in lore to support a law against crossing province borders. The wrong place, wrong time, and suspicion was the only reasons why the Dragonborn almost got beheaded in the beginning.

You weren't on the list, so You were as much of an enigma to him as he is to you.

N'wah

damn loyal af. They had you on the chopping block due to a misunderstanding (hence why your name isn't even on the list). If my gov tried to kill me for doing nothing wrong, can't say I would stay loyal :D Also wouldn't join the racist alternative. Would prob just say fuck both of them, and just keep the crown for myself :D

@@LegDayLas eh...sometimes I believe in second chances depending on the factions

@@phantomvulpe791 Also, wasn't Tullius that ordered you executed, it was that overzealous commander that got ate. The REAL soldier helped you out. So I think it all worked out in the end.

@@135Fenrir I know but as much I liked that guy as a character the stormcloaks really concern me.

“You just handed me the crown after I accused you of playing both sides, take this important missive to the jarl of Whiterun.”

You're kidding right? Ulfric doesn't have to be in the chair for you to give him the crown same with Tullius. I can't believe you made chance a reason to praise Tullius...

Theme empire simps are getting out of hand.

All the Jarls do that. Literally all of them. They speak to you from a Throne, whereas Tulius doesn't have one because he's merely a military officer. He's trained to be humble and obey a sovereign. You also took an in-game animation and used it to favor one character over the other and by extension one whole side over the other. You should be a gymnast because that's quite a stretch.

@@waluigi3515 literally. You can go up to Ulfric's bed chamber and interrupt him in his sleep to do this. Timing and daily schedule is no reason to despise an NPC like this. But it's fairly typical to do that among the Imperials-for-life.

I really would have liked that and also recruit every faction in Skyrim for the next great war that would have started because of it.

I ususally give it to the legion, but i duplicate one for myself.

There is a way for you to keep it permanently.

Using reverse pickpocketing on Hadvar or Ralof works for this, just complete the quest and pickpocket them later

Honestly when it comes to him it is not the dumbest thing I would expect him to do...

@@Zomboy123456789 There are poisons that work by touch. Contact Poison. Ricin is a pretty nasty one, was involved in a pretty famous case in the 70's as the poisoned used to kill a Russian exile. You probably know about Poison Ivy, makes you itchy. Thallium poisoning can mess you up.

@@supapiece3439 now I just picture a moody Ulfric going on about how itchy his head is

What part of contact poison exists you don't understand? What poison you use in game tell me? You force the bandits you kill in the game to drink the poisons? Analyze and think before saying those bullshits.

Just pickpocket it onto Hadvar/Ralof before you leave the tomb and bring your faction leader a bag full of air (they can't recognise the difference). Afterwards look for Hadvar/Ralof in the Riverwood Inn and take back what's rightfully yours. Just so you know when you place the crown onto Hadvar/Ralof it shows 0% even though it is not. It will work eventually.

Gee people Why do you always have such a high opinion of your characters Why do you so desperately want the Dragonborn to be a king or a jarl or an emperor and he should own everything Maybe the Dragonborn just wants to wonder the wide world, engage on a long journey, visit new continents like the Nerevarine seek wisdom instead of glory....

​@@hoshueyeplopper4465 Using paralyzing spells also makes pickpocketing a lot easier, you don't even need to try multiple times to the RNG bless you

until the Dragonborn disappears as lore wise at the end of the final dlc ever Elder Scrolls protagonist disappears, the nerevarine went to akavir, the Hero of Kvatch becomes the shegorath we meet in skyrim etc

@@wolves600 going by that trend, the dragonborn becomes the new champion of Hermaeus Mora and probably got lost somewhere in Apocrypha.

Lmao gah damn thats a long ass time i been playing skyrim since i was a kidd but i only got like 200 legit hours no mods 😭😭😭😭 you the real dragon born

That’s 4.5 years of constant playing… you alright homie?

Yeah, when this mission came up there wasn't any optional missions either.

Just enough for it to be a 10 year anniversary

Ulfric practically disarms himself, the very heart of his rebellion in front of a possible enemy, a dragonborn no less. He's no better.

Since the thalmor are funding the stormcloaks it wouldnt happen. The only solution was to unite skyrim with the empire.

@@AkshatSTR8EDGE who'd then immediately get fucked in the ass by the thalmor.

Skyrim is the Nord homeland and the Stormcloaks are trying to throw off the rule of a foreign power. They are faced with an Emperor who rules them from another country, and other races taking advantage of their compassion for resources. All of this to Skyrim’s detriment. The Stormcloaks’ sentiment is simply that foreigners have done nothing but persecute the Nords just for being Nords, the most glaring example being what the Thalmor does to Talos worshippers. It’s a testament to the Nords’ tender nature that they even ALLOW elf refugees to take shelter in their capital. In my opinion they are totally justified in their lack of trust for different races. There is literally a book in ES:V written by a Dunmer refugee about how they plan to take over Skyrim by settling it. Other races simply don’t have Skyrim’s best interest in mind

@@AkshatSTR8EDGE Where did you get the notion that the Thalmor are funding the Stormcloaks?

@@AkshatSTR8EDGE The Thalmor are not funding the Stormcloaks. They straight up say they're not involved and want both sides to keep fighting. The Dossier does not say what Imperial supporters pretend it says