Tuning A Control Loop - The Knowledge Board

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Tuning a loop by trial and error is no longer a viable long-term solution for loop stability. In this video we show a proven process for tuning a self-regulating process. This technique is used on 1000’s of control loops and is now available to you in this video.
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@failranch9542
@failranch9542 2 жыл бұрын
I could tell within the first minute that this guy is a natural teacher.
@petersmith3564
@petersmith3564 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge. You have a knack for explaining a complicated process and breaking it down in a fashion that even a noob can grasp. Cheers!
@darthenx2585
@darthenx2585 7 жыл бұрын
Your a genius man. Great explanation. You truly know exactly what your talking about. I would love to work on automation projects with you.
@JulioCGallardo
@JulioCGallardo 8 жыл бұрын
Simply an amazing video. It was well summarized and yet extremely informative, specially being just the tip of the iceberg. I am leaning on doing my senior project on PID systems based on what I just learned from you. Thank you
@erickmartinez6805
@erickmartinez6805 6 жыл бұрын
Kevin, You are brilliant. You teach control as it is in real world. thanks.
@dougtowers
@dougtowers 2 жыл бұрын
One of the best explanations I have watched about a close control loop tuning. A master. Thank you for sharing with all of us.
@DavidRead52
@DavidRead52 4 жыл бұрын
Your first point is so RIGHT the number if times I have gone to breakdowns "Due to the controller" that is something physical not functioning correctly in the big bad world. The worst was the wrong sensor been installed from construction and after a lot of engineers looking at the controler over 3 years, then I go to site, doing your first thing and look at all the sensors and find they all were getting reading from a pressure tranducer that was the wrong type. Remember there is no such thing as a desk engineer. Very Good Video
@sampathjoshi1054
@sampathjoshi1054 5 жыл бұрын
Very practical and honest explanation from his dedicated experience! Received an realistic insight into the topic! Salute to you! ....Love from India!
@marcoaureliovillarrealdelv2765
@marcoaureliovillarrealdelv2765 4 жыл бұрын
SIR, YOU ARE A GENIUS! A very practical way on physically implementing control loops. I have to say that I used to struggle a lot with such concepts in college. This video is gold.
@daltonjameson1506
@daltonjameson1506 2 жыл бұрын
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@mstjerning8919
@mstjerning8919 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! Very concise and no nonsense :-) It might be worth mentioning that when deriving a model from a step-response (I call this a data-driven model), the step used for the response should be in the linear region of the plant/process. Take for instance a motor that can run between 0-1000rpm. To derive a linear model for this motor, the step should not be close to the lower (0 rpm) and upper (1000rpm) operating regions of the motor, due to non-linearities from e.g. inertial mass (shaft, gearbox, load). I would recommend performing an initial step of say 200rpm, followed by a step from 200 to 800rpm. This last step is used for the linear model. The low and upper regions for a motor tend to be non-linear and would not produce an accurate linear model. For validation I tend to check my stability margins by evaluating the gain and phase margins of the system (yes, I use a classic frequency analysis design approach). Typically I calculate these margins and measure them using an analyzer. In most cases all checks out, but you could risk running into instability due to resonances that are not apparent in the 1st order model. Cheers from Denmark :-)
@Peter73sky
@Peter73sky 5 жыл бұрын
I'm now closer to understanding PiD settings ,before I had always guessed.Thank you.
@stanpikulski4007
@stanpikulski4007 5 жыл бұрын
Kevin, you are a great teacher and engineer, THANKS!!
@socialcivilian2703
@socialcivilian2703 5 жыл бұрын
Confident and Concise session. This knowledge is greatly appreciated. Good thing you had 5 boards at your disposal.
@memethematics1873
@memethematics1873 4 жыл бұрын
Fabulous Sir! Thanks a lot ABB service!🙌 Hope to get more informative videos at here!
@ajaydorasid
@ajaydorasid 4 жыл бұрын
Wow....That's the best explanation I've ever got about PID loops... Thanks a lot....
@francescobroers9018
@francescobroers9018 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the very informative and practical explanation.
@davidrose9848
@davidrose9848 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the info, it has definitely helped me understand the basic concept of tuning. Awesome video, thanks for sharing to the Automation world. By the way, i do love your VFD products. I have changed about 95% of our drives over to yours.
@pardeepchhikara2170
@pardeepchhikara2170 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking out time for this wonderful explanation.
@dansrailways1
@dansrailways1 5 жыл бұрын
An absolutely brilliant video, very well explained!
@goldilauks
@goldilauks 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you. That was incredibly helpful.
@AdamTrojnar
@AdamTrojnar 8 жыл бұрын
that amazing :) so much important things explained in such easy way.
@emmyherregodts9082
@emmyherregodts9082 7 жыл бұрын
Although some people are very good at it: trial and error tuning should be avoided as much as possible. This is a very nice example to extract information out of process data for tuning loops with simple dynamics ..... However if you follow this instructions to the letter your proportional gain (Kc) will be most of the times not correct and you will not get the intended closed loop behavior. The proportional gain(Kc) should be based on the scaled process gain. So if you use in the calculations Kp*(Output_sf/PV_sf) then your result will be fine. If you use tool for this you have to give in the scale factors and the software takes care of everything. If you plan to do the calculations manually (which is not bad at all) then never forget to include the scaling.....Wrong (or no) scalings = Wrong tuning
@josephpetersen8811
@josephpetersen8811 Жыл бұрын
This is the best PID video I’ve seen yet.
@LeonardoSilva-oq4ey
@LeonardoSilva-oq4ey 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for share this with us. Excellent explanation. 👏👏👏👏😃
@outdoorelement6082
@outdoorelement6082 8 жыл бұрын
Great video ! Extremely Informative ! Thanks for sharing.
@michaelmatheson2279
@michaelmatheson2279 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kevin. Great stuff.
@josemontenegro5679
@josemontenegro5679 11 ай бұрын
Excellent video, thanks !
@atiks
@atiks 8 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks for sharing.
@HemantSingh-gz3kx
@HemantSingh-gz3kx 8 жыл бұрын
Really great video on Tuning Fundamentals,,
@EndrChe
@EndrChe 3 жыл бұрын
This guy is a world class educator.
@KianoushMir
@KianoushMir 8 жыл бұрын
Very nice and informative, great work!
@hayfordankamah-cofie6687
@hayfordankamah-cofie6687 4 жыл бұрын
Good facilitator,very informative.
@Gary-ts6dh
@Gary-ts6dh 2 жыл бұрын
9:15 - Wow! I've been to engineering school and I never made that connection! Approximating τ as Δ/4 will be extremely useful to me into the foreseeable future! Thanks.
@borishruskar5108
@borishruskar5108 3 жыл бұрын
Very, very nice. Bravo and big thank you.
@mohammadadil7763
@mohammadadil7763 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent and most practical.
@nayrbsworld3048
@nayrbsworld3048 Жыл бұрын
Crystal clear explanation.
@awadelrahman
@awadelrahman 8 жыл бұрын
That was really clear, practical and helpful. Thanks a lot.
@farzadhagh8582
@farzadhagh8582 4 жыл бұрын
wooow , no word can describe my thankness
@krishnakurma4711
@krishnakurma4711 5 жыл бұрын
very good explanation, Thanks
@MarcoRotella
@MarcoRotella 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this lesson. best regards
@masifamu
@masifamu 3 жыл бұрын
thanks for this lucid explanation
@marioachi2152
@marioachi2152 Жыл бұрын
I love this Videos! UFB Job!
@mohammedmousa3506
@mohammedmousa3506 8 жыл бұрын
ABB is the Best
@HellTriX
@HellTriX 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I felt like I was back in college learning stuff!
@chinox4567
@chinox4567 6 жыл бұрын
Good video and well explained!!
@ingridepoch9143
@ingridepoch9143 Ай бұрын
Super helpful thank you!
@andypeterson2682
@andypeterson2682 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent, very good explanation, my respects teacher ............... BRAVO ... !!!
@frogeman
@frogeman 6 жыл бұрын
thanks! though it is the tip of the iceberg, it is much helpful to my knowledge at work.
@LvtLoshi
@LvtLoshi 3 жыл бұрын
My man. Thank you!
@krrishnaibm
@krrishnaibm 6 жыл бұрын
Nicely Explained!
@rudielamprecht6839
@rudielamprecht6839 7 жыл бұрын
Great video. I just need to find a process to tune now.
@SakakiDash
@SakakiDash 8 жыл бұрын
Very informative video, thanks a lot. :D
@binhdaoduc6220
@binhdaoduc6220 6 жыл бұрын
thank you very much, it works
@MedellinVol
@MedellinVol 5 жыл бұрын
You're (or you are) a genius. I suppose you'd have to be a control nerd, as I am, to realize this, but excellent presentation.
@BrandonsGym
@BrandonsGym 9 ай бұрын
This is really a nice video
@matheusviniciusribeiro7540
@matheusviniciusribeiro7540 3 жыл бұрын
This is a very good class
@faboxbkn
@faboxbkn 6 жыл бұрын
amazing! thank you.
@TheCyrus331
@TheCyrus331 8 жыл бұрын
superb . very informative..thanks for the video:)
@denisseramirezvivas6352
@denisseramirezvivas6352 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! :)
@jbreiter56
@jbreiter56 3 жыл бұрын
I get it now! Thank you.
@juanericksolis
@juanericksolis 6 жыл бұрын
Man..... you are my hero ;---;
@nhacuong3663
@nhacuong3663 6 жыл бұрын
thank man! You are genius man!
@grego.1418
@grego.1418 5 күн бұрын
so much so quickly... excelent
@kumudayanayanajith6427
@kumudayanayanajith6427 3 жыл бұрын
123445687359324876234 videos, 6476354812364129876491386 research articles summarized in to just under 22 minutes! Great video, Great explanation. Thanks ABB
@jaykesapalaran5434
@jaykesapalaran5434 Жыл бұрын
Very good teaching... Please also make a more video tutorial specs of PLC of what is about is in the marking .
@destroyo5457
@destroyo5457 4 ай бұрын
I knew I was watching a genius at work when he converted a delta symbol to a 4 on the fly at 9:15 😉
@patrickjones7434
@patrickjones7434 4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant man
@zanedzikonski4234
@zanedzikonski4234 5 жыл бұрын
Great explanation, I’ll have to watch again. Only thing I’m not understanding is changing of set point as it relates to time. For example using temperature as units if changing from 72 to 78 vs 84. The function of time changes but I’m not sure how. Any ideas? Will watch again...I love how many whiteboards you have btw 😆
@stuartp2006
@stuartp2006 20 сағат бұрын
Video games: Stormworks uses a Parallel PID generally, From The Depths uses a Classical. I think
@jauharkhotami4073
@jauharkhotami4073 6 жыл бұрын
Really helpful
@zucontrol
@zucontrol 9 ай бұрын
Sp validation is good. Also good to validate by load changing to see how fast pv return to sp.
@videonsr
@videonsr Жыл бұрын
Amazing
@deanswan6109
@deanswan6109 4 жыл бұрын
well done...Thankyou
@kavyajt3814
@kavyajt3814 Жыл бұрын
thanks a lot sir
@FullCircleTravis
@FullCircleTravis 7 ай бұрын
I'm going to need more whiteboards.
@emmanuelsheshi1553
@emmanuelsheshi1553 5 жыл бұрын
thanks so much sir...
@perceptronsaber4479
@perceptronsaber4479 7 жыл бұрын
Very Good ; Thanks
@sawanvaja324
@sawanvaja324 4 жыл бұрын
thanks a ton !!!
@RezaSimRacing
@RezaSimRacing 3 ай бұрын
amazing
@bramblebop1904
@bramblebop1904 3 жыл бұрын
That's a very good video. The main reason, it starts from zero, lol. I'm tired of books that hit you with nuclear-physics looking stuff on page one! Talk to me like I'm stupid cause I am! 😂
@iamhe999
@iamhe999 5 жыл бұрын
so where and what value did you set the the P, the I, The D?
@lqc1014
@lqc1014 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks !!!
@mligua-zen527
@mligua-zen527 5 жыл бұрын
Nice sir, we need more real time problen
@venug2617
@venug2617 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome.....
@CheoChamarripa1
@CheoChamarripa1 4 жыл бұрын
Exeptional explication, could you teach us how to tune a second order closed loopr response?, I love you man!!!!!
@ghulamhabib7810
@ghulamhabib7810 8 жыл бұрын
can u give lecture on differential pressure to steam flow cascade in distillation column . or suggest me any good book
@gillv7659
@gillv7659 9 жыл бұрын
Similar to the way I do it, but on some occasions unable to perform even a manual step so watching the response adjust accordingly plotting values to see how the gain changes with various output settings. What about showing when to use a feed-forward and looking at the plant to determine the best way to control not as individual PIDs plus combing more than one process variable into a single control valve.
@saeedmsv5442
@saeedmsv5442 5 жыл бұрын
GREAT
@elpirogoldfish69
@elpirogoldfish69 5 жыл бұрын
great video, good info, might need to sobriety check the camera guy tho..
@redsnow123456
@redsnow123456 6 жыл бұрын
Hello sir. I want to start with control systems design and PID so I can do advanced projects, can you recommend me a course or a book to start with ?
@djl6692
@djl6692 4 жыл бұрын
Great video Kevin! It did leave me with a few questions. At 5:00 and again at 7:50 you describe bump testing and write out a change in the process variable based on the change in the output. My question pertains to what is "output". I keep thinking that we should be watching for a change in output based on a change of input... So I'm interpreting you to mean that the change in the output, is the output controller (presumably in milliamps from 4 mA to 20 mA), which serves as input to the control valve or the pump speed that would create a change in flowrate (to pick an arbitrary, hypothetical process variable). Presumably this output (my input) is a number that you can get from the control system historian (DeltaV/Foxboro/Siemens PLC/DCS) or taking a measurement with a multimeter across the two wires to the control element. Is that correct?The process variable is undoubtedly measured and also available from the HMI or historian. My next question pertains to the equations for Standard, Parallel, and Classical PID algorithms. You showed to solve for Kp and Tp and how some of the other parameters (Kc, Ti, Td) could be solved for if one assumes a 1st order model. However you present these 3 equations for standard/parallel/classical with variable S, and never define what S is. Are those expressions supposed to be equal to something? Are you supposed to set these expressions equal to zero to find S?
@shuhratxomidov8315
@shuhratxomidov8315 3 жыл бұрын
How do you do! Please! Could you present video's ABB lst300. How to calibrate it!
@randyblythe6563
@randyblythe6563 3 жыл бұрын
Please create video for gain scheduling and also Feed forward
@youtubesuckss7058
@youtubesuckss7058 5 жыл бұрын
Smart guy
@rodericksibelius8472
@rodericksibelius8472 2 жыл бұрын
Wow it's just like designing a DC 'Resistor-Capacitor' Circuit.
@techzila5379
@techzila5379 3 жыл бұрын
Sir how we can design a PID controller for controlling the position of shaft which is supported by active magnetic bearing ?
@laurentporre4479
@laurentporre4479 4 жыл бұрын
Great ! But you didn't mention about the delay (dead time) potential issues, with a long delay, this tuning rule is much less efficient, but ok it works great in many cases.
@davidcerce
@davidcerce 4 жыл бұрын
Laurent Porre Dead time is included in the process variable response. If it’s too long (compared to actual response) it means the valve is sticking (called stiction) in his first order example. Repairs would have to be made first and then perform new bump tests.
@phuocanh19811
@phuocanh19811 2 жыл бұрын
@14:22 We will do change the setpoint in closed loop. But what the initial value of the PID parameters
@MuhammadSaleem-wv6pj
@MuhammadSaleem-wv6pj 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting
@jhonjvare09
@jhonjvare09 Жыл бұрын
I think the sensor should be after the actuator. I know this is only flow, but flow is affected by the valve. It is only a negative feedback system.
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