Turbo vs Supercharging in WW2 Airplanes

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Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles

Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles

5 жыл бұрын

I couldn't think of a good title for this video. It's about the road to turbosupercharging and comparisons with the multi stage mechancially driven superchargers typically used in US Navy fighters of the war.
This is a long and complex video, the first half or so is a little dry, but that background information is a part of the story.
If you are new to this channel, I suggest you watch some of my other videos first, unless you already have an understanding of manifold pressure, supercharger throttling and other technical details related to this subject. Here are two videos I suggest:
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• P51 Mustang Manifold P...
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@danielstickney2400
@danielstickney2400 5 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: That big building in the foreground of the aerial photograph of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway? It's the Allison aircraft engine factory -- it's literally just across 16th street.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 5 жыл бұрын
Oh, an Easter egg! I didn't even know it was there, cool.
@frankcopland3565
@frankcopland3565 2 жыл бұрын
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles LLm
@andyharman3022
@andyharman3022 Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure about that factory in the picture, one way or the other. I lived in Speedway (on 15th Street) and worked at Allison from 1980 to 1985. Allison Plant 1 was further down Main Street, which is in the lower left corner of the picture at 5:52 . When I lived there, the building occupying the space was a Union Carbide plant, but it wasn't the plant in the picture. Allison Plant 3 was down at the end of Main St, on 10th. That was a huge manufacturing plant. And about 10 miles away, close to the airport, was Allison Plant 5 that was even bigger. Plant 5 was one of those 6-week wonders that was built in 1942, where production started before the roof was even finished. Maybe that was Allison Plant 2 in the picture?
@johnmcmurray7853
@johnmcmurray7853 4 жыл бұрын
Amid all the BS on the internet, Greg’s videos stand out like diamonds in a mud puddle. And very compact diamonds at that. Greg covers more material in 30 minutes that most internet videos could cover in 30 hours. Keep up the good work!
@philipboug
@philipboug 3 жыл бұрын
"Diamonds in a mud puddle"... That is brilliant, and so spot on. YOU are the gem Greg, thank you so much. I am an age pensioner and therefore cannot contribute a huge amount, but do you prefer Patreon or any other preference? I will cancel a couple of others that have had their turn!
@larryfarr3075
@larryfarr3075 6 ай бұрын
😮😮😮t4​😢 messes aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaæ serving g go
@M80Ball
@M80Ball Жыл бұрын
You’ve taught me I know nothing.
@rogerpattube
@rogerpattube 3 жыл бұрын
‘I may do a video on the Thunderbolt’. Nice foreshadowing and understatement.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 жыл бұрын
It just shows how I didn't really have a solid plan. I certainly didn't think it would be an eight part series.
@rogerpattube
@rogerpattube 3 жыл бұрын
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Epic, just epic!
@karlp8484
@karlp8484 5 жыл бұрын
It actually came as a surprise to many engine designers that they gained power as they gained altitude with a turbo engine. All they wanted was to "equalise" the manifold pressure drop due to the lower air density, but didn't expect to actually get more power. I suspect some of those graphs were done after the testing revealed this and they finally understood what was happening.
@brianhaygood183
@brianhaygood183 Жыл бұрын
The P-39 is just awesome. I am always amazed that I never heard of one for the first 40-odd years of my life, despite a resounding interest in aircraft.
@TJH1
@TJH1 5 жыл бұрын
I count myself so lucky to have stumbled across your channel. I am learning so much that it is actually rather exciting. Huge thanks.
@migkillerphantom
@migkillerphantom 5 жыл бұрын
The youtube algorithm works, doesn't it
@b.griffin317
@b.griffin317 5 жыл бұрын
trevor: heartily agree!
@alexanderhartmann7950
@alexanderhartmann7950 5 жыл бұрын
This.
@kaveebee
@kaveebee 5 жыл бұрын
Yes I totally agree with you. He should giving lectures at a university he's that good to listen to. Totally opposite of boring!
@ztoob8898
@ztoob8898 5 жыл бұрын
I'd like to add my thumbs-up vote for these videos. Very informative, well-researched, and you have a good speaking voice. Keep up the good work, Greg! (So good I clicked the Subscribe button for the first time in my life.)
@lavernedofelmier6496
@lavernedofelmier6496 4 жыл бұрын
I’m an old manual machinist, would have been awesome to make the prototypes of these turbochargers from prints to help help win the war. The technology from the 20s to the present is unbelievable on the aviation front. Thanks for the video.
@carlosandleon
@carlosandleon 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, would have kept the allies away for longer.
@clausrnfeldtwillemoes7381
@clausrnfeldtwillemoes7381 5 жыл бұрын
It is becoming more and more clear to me that the Thunderbolt was one hell of a fighter - -thanks for this post.
@davidvalter1936
@davidvalter1936 4 жыл бұрын
Just couldn't turn very well
@spindash64
@spindash64 4 жыл бұрын
A dinosaur with good proportions
@kubanskiloewe
@kubanskiloewe 4 жыл бұрын
with a cockpit big like a dance hall
@richardlahan7068
@richardlahan7068 4 жыл бұрын
@@davidvalter1936 It could turn just fine at high altitude. Later models (late model Ds and Ms) were faster than P-51s at altitude. At lower altitudes, they were not as maneuverable .
@rob5944
@rob5944 4 жыл бұрын
@@richardlahan7068 As long as you didn't need to fly too far!
@Bizzon666
@Bizzon666 4 жыл бұрын
50 times better than most contemporary TV documentaries! WW2 fighters are practically the pinnacle of evolution of propeller planes with big piston engines, and this documentary perfectly described so many interesting details about them, I loved it.
@kl0wnkiller912
@kl0wnkiller912 3 жыл бұрын
My grandfather passed away in the 1970s. He worked all his life at Buick in Engineering. His father was Chief Chassis Engineer when the Buick company was first formed. I remember my Grandpa telling me that turbos were something that Buick really wanted to use but up until the 1950s they just didn't have the metals to resist the high temperatures for any period of time. This was less of an issue in aircraft because they had a much cooler and faster airflow to assist in cooling them but even then they did not have a long enough life to be practical in an auto engine. Superchargers where chosen in the early days because they were well-known and presented far less development costs that turbos did.
@RandomTorok
@RandomTorok 5 жыл бұрын
As a young man working as a heavy equipment mechanic, I worked on some big ore haulers that were powered by big v16 diesel engines. They were turbo charged, intercooled and supercharged. Four exhaust driven turbo chargers pushed air into an intercooler and then the cooled air went through the belt driven supercharger which rammed the air into the cylinders. Those engines were rated at about 2200 horsies.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 5 жыл бұрын
There is some impressive tech in the Diesel powered heavy machinery world. Thanks for your comment.
@davidelliott5843
@davidelliott5843 3 жыл бұрын
Rolls Royce with both Merlin and Griffon stuck with a two stage supercharger because their iterative design methods created a system which worked extremely well. Their blower was so good they used it on the Nene turbo jet used in many early jets.
@chrisnizer1885
@chrisnizer1885 5 жыл бұрын
Gotta love The Juggernaut. It was a battle axe in the company of rapiers such as the Spitfire, Mustang, ME-109, A6M Zero. It could absorb amazing punishment and still get a pilot safely home. Not to mention the enormous punishment it could deliver with 8 Browning M-2 "Ma Deuce" .50 cals. Thanks for another great presentation. These lectures are not only very informative, they're always a pleasure to watch.
@glennkrieger
@glennkrieger 5 жыл бұрын
You have a gift sir. Easily understood even with a rudimentary background in engines. The time it must take you to put one of these videos together so eloquently is only superseded by the quality of the end product I'm sure. Thank you for caring immensely about what you consider a helpful and informative video for the rest of us!
@chrisk1944
@chrisk1944 3 жыл бұрын
Turbosuperchaging... how nice to hear what something is REALLY called
@SheriffsSimShack
@SheriffsSimShack 5 жыл бұрын
Some Internet Gold here.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sheriff.
@p40no.1
@p40no.1 5 жыл бұрын
Ha ha youre here
@studdaman420
@studdaman420 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Sheriff. I enjoy your video's.
@felixbeutin9530
@felixbeutin9530 4 жыл бұрын
Sherriff i learnt dogfightimg from your vids
@marcusrussell8660
@marcusrussell8660 5 жыл бұрын
I want to thank you for the documentation you provided. I am a retired Army senior officer the saying that you either continue to learn or fade into oblivion. Your research is the best. Thanks
@exhilarationaccelerationpo9082
@exhilarationaccelerationpo9082 4 жыл бұрын
My Dad 2-15-1921 to 3-7-2019 spent most of his time in WWII as a C47 Hump Pilot, often mentioned B17s, B29s, P38s, "Zeros" vs P47s, F2G-1 "Super" Corsair, German Tanks, Messerschmitt Bf 109E-4. He was glade the Germans ran outta Gas and of course We watched Baa Baa Black Sheep a lot on what was then called TV. P47 is our favorite too :) ...Thank you for this!
@andrewrichardt1475
@andrewrichardt1475 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Greg, As an avid aviation enthusiast as well as a driven gearhead, these videos of yours are absolutely fantastic. Thank you for the effort you put into them and keep them coming.
@J4CK4LFUL
@J4CK4LFUL 5 жыл бұрын
I get SO HYPE when you put up a new video! 45 minutes passes in what seems like 10 and I'm wishing there was an extra cut truly
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 5 жыл бұрын
That makes me happy. I was seriously worried I was making it too long with too much from NACA.
@tomw9875
@tomw9875 5 жыл бұрын
I give a thumbs up before the video even begins....
@paulmanson253
@paulmanson253 5 жыл бұрын
Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles No not at all. A subject I have followed for many years. As far as interpreting the graphs you talk about,I do not think I would have picked up those points on my own.Cheers.
@DavidSmith-ss1cg
@DavidSmith-ss1cg 5 жыл бұрын
I am very happy to know that your channel is here - you're like the uncle that knows all the details of tech and engineering that caused different design details on all those famous warbirds, which made history. Your videos help bring the stories to life by explaining why many of the details are important, and why those details made a difference. Please keep up the great work!
@festol1
@festol1 5 жыл бұрын
All love to the Jug. Indeed an aircraft made for warfare not for showrooms and posters.
@spindash64
@spindash64 5 жыл бұрын
Fábio I think you basically just quoted Kurt Tanks design doctrine for the 190. Which makes sense, admittedly, since they both made a departure from the standard fighter design dogma of the time
@30AndHatingIt
@30AndHatingIt 4 жыл бұрын
I love jugs too! ;)
@zandvoort8616
@zandvoort8616 4 жыл бұрын
Quite agree. The jug was a proper warbird.
@rob5944
@rob5944 4 жыл бұрын
@@zandvoort8616 Till they had to turn round and go back.
@zandvoort8616
@zandvoort8616 4 жыл бұрын
Rob Val, according to Greg they didn’t have to if they were allowed to use the belly tanks.
@PigEqualsBakon
@PigEqualsBakon 5 жыл бұрын
Cant wait for that P-38 video, hands down my favourite WW2 aircraft. And as usual, a fantastic in-depth video. Always a pleasure to watch.
@khaccanhle1930
@khaccanhle1930 5 жыл бұрын
A long lecture on supercharging of WW2 fighters? Just what I've been looking for since 1997.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 5 жыл бұрын
That's an interesting thing to say. I am not sure if you are being sarcastic or serious, but I hope you liked the video, and watch more of my videos.
@khaccanhle1930
@khaccanhle1930 5 жыл бұрын
No sarcasm, the honest truth. All the books I could find at the library were insufficient
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks. The library doens't help much, but those NACA reports have a lot in them, and they are free downloads. If you have trouble deciphering them, you can always ask me, and I'll try to answer or if it's one a lot of people are curious about, I can work it into a video.
@Thomas..Anderson
@Thomas..Anderson 5 жыл бұрын
I would write a similiar comment. All this question I had thet I had to contempt with superflous answers. Great research work. Underaprecciated.
@matsv201
@matsv201 5 жыл бұрын
Simular .. it seams like the technological advanses in WWII.. and .. well actually mostly in the mid war period, was not fully realized to the public before... pretty much the 90-tys.
@danielreardon6453
@danielreardon6453 4 жыл бұрын
THE BEST Channel EVER in terms of realistic historic warbirds
@Slaktrax
@Slaktrax 5 жыл бұрын
I like the talk about any piston engines, but WW2 aircraft engines are the favourite. Love the work, like your style. Thank you
@karlbrundage7472
@karlbrundage7472 5 жыл бұрын
A co-worker of mine was a retired crew-chief from the USAF who had experience with the C-97 and other "recip's" in the cargo inventory in the Cold War era. He related times when he needed to keep all of the engines in "High-Blower" while landing and departing from some of the remote fields in Indo-China. It was a remarkable insight into one of the facets of the war in South-East Asia my father fought- A snapshot of people doing what they'd been trained to do......................
@ellenorbjornsdottir1166
@ellenorbjornsdottir1166 5 жыл бұрын
why HIGH blower? hi alt or hi boost?
@joeygleason2589
@joeygleason2589 5 жыл бұрын
Great video!!! Answered many questions I've always had. Thanks for taking the time to make this. Can't wait for all the future videos you hint at.
@al_capad
@al_capad 5 жыл бұрын
Jesus, Greg, this is amazing work you've put up. I salute you, sir!
@MicheleBoland
@MicheleBoland 5 жыл бұрын
One of the best deep dives I've run across!! Excellent data driven presentation!
@otm646
@otm646 5 жыл бұрын
This is one of the most informative videos I've ever seen posted.
@alzaidi7739
@alzaidi7739 5 жыл бұрын
best WWII engine analysis I've watched.
@cannonfodder4376
@cannonfodder4376 5 жыл бұрын
Stunningly informative as always. I have learned new things from this video, the details regarding Turbo's advantages over Superchargers is very illuminating in particular. As well as the pre-war swing back to Inline engines, I always thought aerodynamics were the primary culprit (although probably partial). I look forward to the next Aeroplane video.
@bobdyer422
@bobdyer422 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent vid. Info I've never come across, and I appreciate you exposing, sharing and exploring all of it. Since the 47 is my favorite, I can't wait to view your next production. Thanks!
@heinzbaron9129
@heinzbaron9129 5 жыл бұрын
Love these videos. No music, no drama, just technical information which appeals to gear heads of all stripes.
@moirakadhan745
@moirakadhan745 5 жыл бұрын
The P-47 was my favorite aircraft when I was little (and probably still is, especially the razorback variants), really looking forward to a video of yours on it. :D
@ronniefarnsworth6465
@ronniefarnsworth6465 5 жыл бұрын
I always love your videos and the way you present them ! just "Geeking out" to this Tech talk : ) Great as always Sir.
@TrySomethingsOnce
@TrySomethingsOnce 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! You covered a lot of information and evolution of turbochargers and superchargers without getting deeply mired down too in specifics. Keep up the efforts and I'm glad I found your channel!
@damiandelapp5490
@damiandelapp5490 4 жыл бұрын
I am often at a complete loss for words when it comes to the rapid advancement in performance technology in such a short period of time..just amazing!
@eriktruchinskas3747
@eriktruchinskas3747 4 жыл бұрын
The kinda sick thing is do you think that such advancements would have been accomplished if we weren't at war?
@sahhaf1234
@sahhaf1234 5 жыл бұрын
I was looking for this sort of information for a long long time.. Thank you very much for your effort.
@drawingboard82
@drawingboard82 5 жыл бұрын
This is the first of your videos I have watched, and I am very impressed by the level of knowledge and research. I had often wondered about turbo-superchargers, and why they were not more widely adopted during this period. Thanks so much for making these!
@jamesallen8838
@jamesallen8838 5 жыл бұрын
This really hit home for me. Your explanation was very interesting and informative. Keep up the great work
@coreyandnathanielchartier3749
@coreyandnathanielchartier3749 5 жыл бұрын
Great pics and information. Thanks!
@Henschmen38
@Henschmen38 5 жыл бұрын
That was an EXCELLENT video. Thank you for your hard work and time that went into it. I'm always excited to see you upload more aviation and engine videos. I enjoy hearing the summaries of the NACA reports and seeing their data as well as your own data points. I wonder what would have developed fighter wise as turbocharger packaging became more space efficient were it not for jet aircraft. I'm all sorts of excited for a P47 video (and maybe a P38 video?) I also enjoyed the long format video. Amazingly well done.
@bradfordeaton6558
@bradfordeaton6558 5 жыл бұрын
I really like this. It's good to find a source of real, good information about aircraft on KZfaq instead of the usual opinionated, misinformed and just plain wrong drivel on so many other channels.
@RD2564
@RD2564 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, Greg. Good high level summary of supercharging as related to early efforts, F4, F6, Corsair, P-38, P-47 and P-51.
@gonebamboo4116
@gonebamboo4116 5 жыл бұрын
Recently discovered this channel and really enjoy/appreciate all the information taught here. I'm busy going back and catching up
@gregoryfuller1136
@gregoryfuller1136 5 жыл бұрын
Love the technical details I never heard anywhere else. And you have a cool name.
@lahockeyboy
@lahockeyboy 4 жыл бұрын
Hey, Greg! Just wanted to tell you how much I love your videos... thanks for all your efforts.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Thomas!
@jamisonmaguire4398
@jamisonmaguire4398 3 жыл бұрын
I've always loved the "Jug" and everything you've been saying about it in your videos has just cemented that feeling. Thanks so much for sharing Greg I just love your stuff and I especially love the poem.
@clydecessna737
@clydecessna737 4 жыл бұрын
For a future video could you discuss the armaments of fighters. Why the British stuck to .30 then jumped to 20 mm canon while the US stayed with .50 during the war and even in the F-86. I am learning a lot from you.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 4 жыл бұрын
I will cover that in a future P-47 episode.
@fa-ajn9881
@fa-ajn9881 5 жыл бұрын
Favorite channel! Keep going!
@RichardGoth
@RichardGoth 5 жыл бұрын
Another great video!
@james5353
@james5353 2 ай бұрын
Just the perfect level of detail - and hardly any stupid ads - thankyou
@kiwihame
@kiwihame 5 жыл бұрын
Another superb video Greg. Thanks! That Thud is a Beast.
@wntu4
@wntu4 5 жыл бұрын
What an amazing channel. So much information. Subbed,
@moxie_ST
@moxie_ST 5 жыл бұрын
Great video, just great bro love it from start to end. Cant wheit for new one 👍✌️🤘
@wbwarren57
@wbwarren57 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! It really helps explain the comparative advantage between different aircraft and the aircraft different nations. Thank you.
@Nathan-pw7do
@Nathan-pw7do 5 жыл бұрын
These are by far the most informative and interesting videos I've found about wwII era planes. Thanks for all you put into these!
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Nathan.
@jimciancio9005
@jimciancio9005 3 жыл бұрын
Wow Greg, thank you so much for this educational video! I've been wondering for years now what people like my grandfather and father was talking all about around the dinner table at night! Growing up, all I ever heard was the wonderful 2 and 3 stage superchargers of the old piston plane kicking ass in WWII. Then there was the confusion of turbochargers mixed together with superchargers all working on different levels of altitude from ground level to dog fights! I say this about cars from the 1920-30s you had to be an engineer just to go for a drive in those old things! It's amazing the amount of technology gains between the 30s into the 40s though. Shit they even have a primitive auto pilot system in the B-17s which was absolutely unheard of for those days. I understand now the importance of the explosives kept on board some aircraft to prevent them from falling into enemy hands intact. Especially parts like the Nordon bomb sight, with the description in the hand book of how to destroy it with your .45 cal side arm. But really I thank you so very much for doing this video! It maybe a little dry for some to endure, but I found it very very fascinating. I can't wait to go through your other videos, we need this history preserved being the Greatest Generation is now all but dying off and with them the loss of so much knowledge of these aircraft and engines!
@shadows96100
@shadows96100 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent video as always! I do hope you get to the touch on the 190 series of planes in the future, the D9 is a absolute favorite.
@chinatype2bassrocker809
@chinatype2bassrocker809 4 жыл бұрын
The yellow #10 D-13 and the D-9 are the sexiest and meanest of the 190s. Just came along too little too late.
@b1laxson
@b1laxson 3 жыл бұрын
Having just watched #7 Firepower and still in lock down this seems like a good day to rewatch the entire playlist. Good job on discussing numerous design tradeoff aspects. Even if not building a plane the way designs trade getting this but losing that is just as relevant today.
@Flight72
@Flight72 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video Greg! Thanks for sharing your research and knowledge! Keep the excellent service for the community!! 🤙🏻
@mrj4990
@mrj4990 5 жыл бұрын
Youre an engine god
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 5 жыл бұрын
Wow, thank you.
@mrj4990
@mrj4990 5 жыл бұрын
Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles because of you, I focused much more on the internal modules and the aerodynamics of all the planes I’ve always studied, and it’s making me go deeper into every aspect, doing God’s work.
@TitaniumCountess
@TitaniumCountess 5 жыл бұрын
Greg, thank you for this constant trickle of technical aviation videos (and the occasional very interesting car video)... You curate one of the most consistently interesting channels on the history of aviation, and I especially appreciate that you're going back to the primary sources where possible to provide the context and informed commentary along with it. Please keep it up!
@BackwardFinesse
@BackwardFinesse 4 жыл бұрын
At last - some really well-informed and detailed commentary on WW2 aircraft. Yes - I will subscribe.
@groomlake51
@groomlake51 5 жыл бұрын
I’m new to your channel I just want to say thank you!! It’s a breath of fresh air on the tube!! I have grown up around auto sport and I always look to aerospace for technology. I’m learning from WW2 aviation
@jaredneaves7007
@jaredneaves7007 5 жыл бұрын
Yes! I saw the thumbnail and went nuts 👌
@bubby492
@bubby492 5 жыл бұрын
Woah a 40 minute video? Christmas came early.
@thesupacoop4002
@thesupacoop4002 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Greg, thoroughly enjoyed all of your videos thus far. Please post more. I am and have been for some time a great fan of the P47, a truly unsung hero of WW2 !!
@brucev6642
@brucev6642 4 жыл бұрын
I love wandering down the paths the various KZfaq videos expose you to.
@tierfuehrer2
@tierfuehrer2 5 жыл бұрын
First I was like: "What? Over 40 minutes?". But then time started flying. One has to notice the picture of the Hispano Suiza engine, which shows how an engine mounted gun is fitted for being able to shoot through the propeller hub. 21:46
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 5 жыл бұрын
That's not a complete engine, as they were trying to display the central cannon.
@estern001
@estern001 5 жыл бұрын
Wow! I built all these aircraft as models as a kid in the '70's. I went on to maintain Tomcats and Hornets in the Navy. But I never really considered them from a performance perspective. All I cared about was ease of maintenance or cool factor. Very informative. Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
@AllWayzSomethin
@AllWayzSomethin 5 жыл бұрын
Great info here. You sir did a lot of research for these videos. I just happened to stumble across your channel and now I’m hooked!
@fishsquishguy1833
@fishsquishguy1833 4 жыл бұрын
The best in depth WWII aircraft channel! The fact that you like performance automobiles is just gravy. I think that’s how a lot of us got into one or the other because of so much of automobile performance is just trickle down aircraft tech anyway. Great channel!
@sahkoaasi
@sahkoaasi 4 жыл бұрын
at 28:35: Someone might have mentioned this already, since I didn't read thru all the comments, but one very interesting german project was Blohm & Voss BV 155, which was one of the late war prototypes in 1945. And, as you said, it wasn't a combat aircraft, just a couple of prototypes were built and one flown before the end of the war. But it had both the supercharger and intercooled turbocharger. At least The Monogram has published a very good book on that one. It was supposed to be a extreme high altitude fighter(go higher than Ta-152), which it would have done, had the project started earlier.
@ntk3003
@ntk3003 5 жыл бұрын
I love the long detailed videos
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks. About 3/4 of the way through I started to think I should have made this one a lot shorter. I was worried that all the NACA stuff might be too much.
@julianneale6128
@julianneale6128 5 жыл бұрын
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles no sir, please keep making videos the way you do. Your videos are unique and perfect for us fanatics. The huge in depth lectures you do are hugely interesting and totally unlike anything else on KZfaq. Keep up the great work, cheers!
@ntk3003
@ntk3003 5 жыл бұрын
the naca parts are pretty cool keep it up!
@oleringstad6615
@oleringstad6615 4 жыл бұрын
Yes Greg, your channel is superb!
@pilotblue6535
@pilotblue6535 5 жыл бұрын
Great explanation and comparisons!
@xxw379k
@xxw379k 4 жыл бұрын
Anyone more that use this channel as relaxing background when working? #relaxing
@jamesmorse959
@jamesmorse959 3 жыл бұрын
Really excellent stuff, thank you. I have been studying the Merlin verses the DB601 and later derivatives. The main differences seem to be in approach, the Germans had some fantastic ideas like the liquid drive for the supercharger, the direct fuel injection and the inverted vee layout, but were hamstrung for materials and decent fuel. Rolls Royce stuck with what they knew and perfected it.
@bills48321
@bills48321 5 жыл бұрын
Great explanation! I can't wait for your P-47 video.
@ravenjason13
@ravenjason13 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome channel Greg!
@mostlyharmless7425
@mostlyharmless7425 4 жыл бұрын
One of the few KZfaq channels where the comments are typically worthwhile... In any case Professor Greg, could you discuss the pilot work load with both configurations, i.e. Thunderbolt vs Corsair. I’ve read many histories by pilots and don’t ever recall hearing them discuss this, beyond Col. Tibbets mentioning how the poor throttle settings on the B-17 could get the turbos surging (whatever that means).
@notaire2
@notaire2 5 жыл бұрын
Der Unterschied zwischen den beiden Formen der Anlage wird von diesem ausgezeichneten Video völlig und verständlich erklärt. Echt super!
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks notaire2, that's a high compliment.
@notsureyou
@notsureyou 5 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if you have read much on the turbo charger development done on the BMW 801: "As just one result of the highest level of priority given to the successful 801 design's further development, a number of attempts were made to use turbochargers on the BMW 801 series as well. The first used a modified BMW 801D to create the BMW 801J, delivering 1,810 PS (1,785 hp, 1,331 kW) at takeoff and 1,500 hp (1,103 kW) at 12,200 m (40,000 ft), an altitude where the D was struggling to produce 630 hp (463 kW). The BMW 801E was likewise modified to create the BMW 801Q, delivering a superb 1,715 hp (1,261 kW) at 12,200 m (40,000 ft), power ratings no existing Allied radial engine of a similar displacement could match. The turbocharger was fitted to the top rear of the engine at a 30° forward tilt, and had hollow turbine blades. Not many of these engines ever entered production due to high costs, and the various high-altitude designs based on them were forced to turn to other engines, typically the Junkers Jumo 213."
@notaire2
@notaire2 5 жыл бұрын
notsureyou Thanks for your informative and detailed reply. German ingenuity in technology was not necessarily realized in the field of producing consumer goods.
@stevewatson1640
@stevewatson1640 5 жыл бұрын
@@notaire2 Engineers are helpless when beholden to lunatics, and Germans seem more prone to 'Crazy Harry' than most.
@notaire2
@notaire2 5 жыл бұрын
+Steve Watson 'Crazy Harry' is sometimes called 'Deutsche Gründlichkeit' in negative meaning.
@edwinkorteweg3612
@edwinkorteweg3612 10 ай бұрын
Great video Greg. Thanks
@garysayers1502
@garysayers1502 5 жыл бұрын
----- I DO LOVE to learn new things... The one thing I picked up from this video was that the famed Russian Klimov in-line powerplants that served the YAK line of successful fighters were developed from a Spanish engine design... Never knew that, and it's a cool thing... But this was a real fascinating video, indeed--and I don't know diddly-squat about aircraft engineering... Only a few basics... Also informative was the bit on the Curtiss P-37 fighter that never got into service--why it had the 'long-nosed' profile and the cockpit was set so far back (supercharger), just like on the 'Gee-Bee' racer of the 'thirties...I always wondered why the numerous Allison engines weren't given supercharging other than in the P-38 Lightning... Great stuff about the Bell P-39, the Hellcat & Corsair, too... Thanks for this great information...
@HuehuehueWolooo
@HuehuehueWolooo 5 жыл бұрын
AHHHHH P-47 i see you are a man of culture as well.
@liangwang4089
@liangwang4089 5 жыл бұрын
The jugs are always a favorite of mine, a clear example of how you can afford to have less than ideal aerodynamics if you have a monstrous engine.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, but I do want to stress that the Jug's wing was actually really aerodynamic at the time the plane came out, thus drag wasn't that bad.
@liangwang4089
@liangwang4089 5 жыл бұрын
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Yes that's why I used less than ideal rather than just bad. On a similar issue, people often believe a radial engine have a horrible drag compared to liquid cooled one when the difference is often less than what people expect.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 5 жыл бұрын
The radials eventually won out over the V-Types. I'll talk more about that soon.
@jaredneaves7007
@jaredneaves7007 5 жыл бұрын
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles I'm interested in hearing how you draw that conclusion. You will probably convince me, but for now I honestly don't see many radials these days down at the airport.
@liangwang4089
@liangwang4089 5 жыл бұрын
@@jaredneaves7007 I cannot comment on how the radials won, however I can point out that almost all propeller aircraft nowadays are turbo props. Meaning the propeller is driven by a gas turbine. This might be the reason you mistaken them as liquid cooled piston engines. Piston engines are de facto dead on modern propeller aircrafts.
@ajgoetsch
@ajgoetsch 5 жыл бұрын
A superb production; congratulations! Very informative and engaging, the work you do is outstanding. Thank you.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 5 жыл бұрын
I appreciate you comments.
@teslababbage
@teslababbage 5 жыл бұрын
A fascinating and informative video - thank you!
@seth1422
@seth1422 5 жыл бұрын
These are great videos, thank you. I’ve always wondered about just this issue. If my vote counts, I’d love to see a P-47 video.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 5 жыл бұрын
It counts, and that's happening.
@seth1422
@seth1422 5 жыл бұрын
That's fantastic, thank you!
@louismorel2001
@louismorel2001 5 жыл бұрын
I still.don't believe that videos like that exist Very sharp knowledge
@kevkfz5226
@kevkfz5226 5 жыл бұрын
Great video Greg. Love it.
@davidsutton6863
@davidsutton6863 Жыл бұрын
Superb commentary, thank you. I'm learning so much.
@DNModels
@DNModels 5 жыл бұрын
P-38 and P-47 videos! Please!
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 5 жыл бұрын
I hear you loud and clear Mitko, and am impressed by your model building.
@johndonaldson3619
@johndonaldson3619 5 жыл бұрын
Ta-152, Fw190 and Me-262 videos! Please!
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 5 жыл бұрын
The next German plane really has to be the 190A series. I have to cover that before the D9 and TA152. Although I do seriously look forward to covering the TA152.
@laertesl4324
@laertesl4324 5 жыл бұрын
Wow, I don't have words to express how great is this video. Yes please , P-38, P-47, Fw-190A and Dora 9, TA-152 and Me-262, I want them all. Greetings and thanks from Spain.
@johndonaldson3619
@johndonaldson3619 5 жыл бұрын
Greg, THANKING YOU VERY MUCH! (Caps on!)...let me buy you a coffee sometime...better still set yourself up a patreon page. Oh, I know your subject material is very 'niche' however, you'll attract your share of loyal devotees.
@maikaze_
@maikaze_ 5 жыл бұрын
Please keep the WW2 aircraft content coming, every video made so far is an amazing watch. Looking forward to the P-47 specific video, and perhaps future in-depth videos pertaining to aircraft of non-US origin (I'm not complaining about US related content at all) keep up the great work!
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks. The P47 video has grown and is now coming in multiple parts. The next video will be the FW190.
@George-bz1fi
@George-bz1fi 3 жыл бұрын
Finally a clear explanation of this supercharging thing, thanks.
@aretardridesmotard6128
@aretardridesmotard6128 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome video as always
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