Turbot Fish Revealed / Sudoku Tutorial #14

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Sudoku Swami

Sudoku Swami

6 жыл бұрын

Explanation of Sudoku X-Chains, focusing on what's called a Turbot Fish, which is an AIC of exactly 3 Links.

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@CasaErwin
@CasaErwin 3 жыл бұрын
Since watching this video, I have found many, many 3-link chains in the puzzles I've worked on, but today I found the first one in which an elimination was possible.
@thedoron2
@thedoron2 5 жыл бұрын
Finely (after many hours of staring at my iPone screen) I was able to find the first x-chains (the 7 and the 4) by myself. They are so difficult to spot until you point them out. I think that your patient repetition of the examples is very important in training the brain in finding them. Many thanks for the great teaching. I will email you privetly, if it is OK with you, for recommendation for the best software. (Found it very easy to add subscribers- every onr (about 5 people in the last few days) that I have send yours video #1 and #2, have subscribed) Doron
@SudokuSwami
@SudokuSwami 5 жыл бұрын
That's great. Glad to hear it. Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it.
@ThatGuy-dj3qr
@ThatGuy-dj3qr 5 жыл бұрын
Another excellent video that explains an important solving technique, along with several permutations. Thanks so much Sami!
@SlobodanVujnovic
@SlobodanVujnovic 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent, as usual!
@SudokuSwami
@SudokuSwami 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much. I really appreciate your continued support.
@SudokuSwami
@SudokuSwami 6 жыл бұрын
Be sure to visit sudokuswami.com for an Outline of the Entire Course, and news about upcoming Videos!
@SudokuSwami
@SudokuSwami 5 жыл бұрын
If you enjoyed this Video, please don't forget to click the SUBSCRIBE button, and the Thumbs Up Icon. It will really help me out. Thank you!
@titushui
@titushui 6 жыл бұрын
Turbot fish is a very good summary of all 5-cells eliminations pattern - skyscraper, two string kite. It involves 2 strong link and 1 weak link in between.
@thomaswilke6312
@thomaswilke6312 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice lesson on a very nice technique
@luispalou217
@luispalou217 Жыл бұрын
Very good video, very well explained, thanks
@AtlanticZealot
@AtlanticZealot 3 жыл бұрын
I just wanted to report that I just used a Turbot Fish to crack a puzzle. Thanks!
@SudokuSwami
@SudokuSwami 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent news! Good luck.
@brucewarren5248
@brucewarren5248 3 жыл бұрын
1. Correct me if I am wrong, but it would appear that there are lots of things that must be examined as potential x-chains. 2. At the risk of being redundant, if you had been the professor in my organic chemistry class in college, I'd be a bio-medical researcher today ... retired, but a bio-medical researcher.
@stephenmneedham
@stephenmneedham 5 жыл бұрын
In tutorial #10 you said you'd explain X-Wing, Sword and Jelly, skip Squirmbag, Whale, Leviathan, Franken, Mutant and Siamese, then explain Crah (Kra)-ken and two string kite. Is Turbot the same as one of these or is this a new group Swamiman? Off to re-watch 3 and 4.
@SudokuSwami
@SudokuSwami 5 жыл бұрын
A Turbot Fish is NOT a Fish, by definition. Turbot Fish are similar in construction to 2-String Kites, in that they are both 3-Link X-Chains, as are Skyscrapers; they are all only different in shape. (Please watch Tutorials #14 thru #16). The rest are true Fish Patterns. I will cover Jellyfish and Kraken Fish in my Advanced Series. The others, I will not bother with, as they are unnecessary. Good luck. :-))
@thorexu6017
@thorexu6017 4 жыл бұрын
The last example at 18:43 should be reduced to 9's occupying the 3 cells [R456C4] in middle left ie the Box 5 as the claiming prevails at the end. (all other 9;s being eliminated at the end in the central box)
@SudokuSwami
@SudokuSwami 4 жыл бұрын
This is a hand-drawn diagram, to demonstrate a principle. It is not a real puzzle. You are supposed to imagine that there are many other Candidates that are not seen, and those three 9's in the Red Cells may or may not be there. I am saying that IF you have an AIC (a Turbot Fish, in this case), with the endpoints being the 9's in R1C5 & R7C5, then a 9 in any one of the Red Cells would have to be False.
@bruceburandt4387
@bruceburandt4387 4 жыл бұрын
Swami, where did the '6' in R3C7 go? My app shows a '6' along with the '2' and '9' in that cell in the first puzzle example.
@SudokuSwami
@SudokuSwami 4 жыл бұрын
Hello Bruce, the 6 in R3C7 was removed via a Discontinuous Loop, prior to finding the Turbot Fish. Good luck!
@bruceburandt4387
@bruceburandt4387 4 жыл бұрын
@@SudokuSwami Thank you for the explanation, but a Disc. Loop is currently above my "play grade". But that does explain how the strong loop is true. And so prompt with your reply! TY I am forging ahead and looking to all the revelations yet to come!
@SudokuSwami
@SudokuSwami 4 жыл бұрын
No problem. Good luck. If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask anytime. :-))
@Juliowolfgang
@Juliowolfgang 6 жыл бұрын
You explain in a marvelous way, it's just a little hard for me to identify the patterns when I play.
@SudokuSwami
@SudokuSwami 6 жыл бұрын
If you are using an APP that has candidate filters, it will make it easier for you to see the patterns. But if not, you can still do it. It just takes practice. Stick with it, and you will begin to find them, I'm sure. :-) Good luck!
@SlobodanVujnovic
@SlobodanVujnovic 6 жыл бұрын
I'd recommend Androku, if you are on Android. It helps a lot. Unfortunately, it has no filter to show ONLY pairs, ie, cells with only two candidates. Since most techniques seem to start with such a cell, it seems to me that spotting the solution would be much easier if such cells were to stand out.
@Juliowolfgang
@Juliowolfgang 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Slobodan!
@ianjones6308
@ianjones6308 6 жыл бұрын
Have to agree it isn't seeing the patterns started using HoDoKu which is pretty good.
@mrbrianakias1
@mrbrianakias1 5 жыл бұрын
@@SudokuSwami Hey swami, I thought of using an app as well to solve sudokus so I can use filters as well and I tried it but it kinda feels like cheating.. don't you think we should not use filters and try to recognise all the patterns by ourselves?
@mto0016
@mto0016 Жыл бұрын
How do you know where to start at end the chain? I feel like there’s more than one you can create.
@SudokuSwami
@SudokuSwami Жыл бұрын
1. You start with a Strong Link. 2. It is possible to have many Chains exisiting at the same time.
@dineshreddy3766
@dineshreddy3766 5 жыл бұрын
@ 25:52 how is the second 7 is weak ? I see only 2 7's in that box.. isn't it a strong link?
@SudokuSwami
@SudokuSwami 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, it is actually a Strong Link. But you must understand that a Strong Link has the properties of a Weak Link, and can therefore be used as such when constructing Chains. For a Conventional Strong Link, where there are only two remaining instances of a particular Candidate within a House, you can also say, "If A is True, then B is False." Think it through. :-)) You need to go back and watch Videos # 3 & #4 where I explain that a Strong Link can be used as a Weak Link in any AIC. And when this is the case, I call it a "Surrogate Weak Link," to differentiate it from a Conventional Weak Link. The Link between the two 7's in Block 3 is a Surrogate Weak Link. (However, a Weak Link can NEVER be used as a Strong Link. It does not work both ways.)
@dineshreddy3766
@dineshreddy3766 5 жыл бұрын
​ Sudoku Swami I saw both Part 1 and Part 2 but i am still confused. I am sorry for bugging you but I really want to know why is it weak link. :( How is this different from 'Sudoku Tutorial #3-A Part 1' 7:27? These two 7's are the only 7 in that block similar to 2's in that video. You that was strong link...... Btw, your videos are very informative and helped me in solving harder puzzles. Thank you very much for all the videos posted in ur channel. :)
@SudokuSwami
@SudokuSwami 5 жыл бұрын
Okay, Dinesh. Everything I am about to tell you, is contained in Videos #3 & #4 and their Adjuncts. But because you seem like a nice guy, and you seem sincere about learning these principles, I will explain it again. :-)) Here is the formal definition of a Strong Link = If A is False, then B is True. Here is the formal definition of a Weak Link = If A is True, then B is False. Okay?? Yes, there is a Strong Link between the two 7's in Block 3, at 25:45 But please notice that the formal definition of a WEAK LINK also applies to those two 7's!!! If one of those 7's is True, then the other must be False, because there can only be ONE 7 in that Block! If A is True, then B is False. A Strong Link can ALWAYS be used as a Weak Link, because it has the properties of both. And when I use a Strong Link as a Weak Link, I always refer to it as a SURROGATE Weak Link, because it is ACTING as a Weak Link, to make our Chain. I have repeated this statement several times in all my Videos. The Strong Link between those two 7's CAN BE USED AS A WEAK LINK, because the DEFINITION of a WEAK LINK APPLIES TO IT. However, a Weak Link can NEVER be used as a Strong Link. It is ONLY a Weak Link. For an AIC (Alternate Inference Chain) the inferences must alternate between Strong and Weak. All that matters, is that you can say "If A is False, then B is True," for the Strong Links, and that you can say, "If A is True, then B is False," for the Weak Links. This is how the Chain will proceed in a logical manner. I'm sure if you think about this long and hard enough, it will eventually make sense to you. Good luck!
@charlesmangum3108
@charlesmangum3108 6 жыл бұрын
review, review, review
@CasaErwin
@CasaErwin 3 жыл бұрын
You said, "either the two blue ones will be true the two yellow ones will be false or the two blue ones will be false and the two yellow ones will be true." This is only certain when the second link is a SURROGATE weak link. If it is a true weak link, it is possible for both nodes in the weak link to be false and therefore both end points to be true. So if one end point is false the other must be true, but you cannot say that if one end point is true the other must be false. I know you are aware of this because I learned it from you.
@SudokuSwami
@SudokuSwami 3 жыл бұрын
Your second assertion is correct. But your first assertion is INCORRECT. The middle "link" in a 3-Link AIC can be EITHER a Weak or a Strong Inference. All you need to be able to say, (for the middle inference), is "If A is True then B is False." This conditional statement applies to BOTH Weak and Strong Inferences.
@CasaErwin
@CasaErwin 3 жыл бұрын
@@SudokuSwami . Ah, but NOT to "effective" strong links. It is possible for both end points to be true, just as it is possible for both nodes of the weak link to be false. In fact, the only time both end points are true, is when both nodes of the weak link are false. If, of course, the middle link is a strong link, then one end point must be false and one must be true.
@SudokuSwami
@SudokuSwami 3 жыл бұрын
The Middle Link of a 3-Link AIC is never an "Effective Strong Link." The term "Effective Strong Link" only applies to two Candidates that DO NOT SEE EACH OTHER, yet there is a Strong Link between them.
@CasaErwin
@CasaErwin 3 жыл бұрын
@@SudokuSwami I never said the middle link was an effective strong link. I used that word because it's the word you use with reference to the end points when they can't see each other. But I can see now that you are incapable of admitting that I am right. And that's OK because I know I am. But I still like your videos.
@SudokuSwami
@SudokuSwami 3 жыл бұрын
Why would I not want to admit that you are "right" about anything? I am happy if you understand the principles I am trying to demonstrate. I said that in your original comment, you were correct about your second assertion, but that you were incorrect about your first assertion. I am just being factual and honest. Even though it is possible for both nodes of a Weak Link to be False, the conditional statement, "If A is True, then B is False," still stands. This means that the middle Link does NOT have to be a SURROGATE Weak Link, as you claim.
@avij30
@avij30 6 жыл бұрын
I am from India ..and I am a big fan of yours ..... well, doesn't this strategy prove that 2 string kite is almost irrelevant for anyone who knows this method .. 😃
@SudokuSwami
@SudokuSwami 6 жыл бұрын
Hello Avi. Thank you for your interest in my Channel, and for your support. A 2-String Kite and a Turbot Fish are two slight variations of the exact same thing.....an X-Chain of exactly 3 Links. Thinking of them as two different "species" is only meant to help people identify them more easily. I hope you will tell all your friends about Sudoku Swami! Thank you. :-))
@avij30
@avij30 6 жыл бұрын
I have already told almost everyone to watch out your videos .......
@avij30
@avij30 6 жыл бұрын
Very soon .... your channel is going to be a big success ..... it is just a matter of time ....
@SudokuSwami
@SudokuSwami 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much. I hope you are right!! :-))
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