Turning Sharp With A Spread Axle Trailer

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Turning Sharp With A Spread Axle Trailer

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BigRigTalk

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@loriwerle4895 10 ай бұрын

I remember my first flatbed load and I had a split axle. No one told me about any of this stuff. Well I did a sharp back and the trailer started it twist. Yea, I'll never forget that

@anonymous3738 4 ай бұрын

4:05 I love how he uses the term “bending” for tires and then turns sharp. I love spread axles, especially how the axles are apart and use the term “spread” and the lack of steering on the tires, therefore causing wear during sharp turns. Specifically, I love it when the tires drag during such turns, despite the quick wear.

@drewchristian5448 10 жыл бұрын

I drove a 53' spread axle around downtown Chicago. It was actually kinda fun. At one point the street I turned onto was so short from one end to the other, I had to move into the crosswalk infront of me to get my trailer out of the road behind me. I'll never drive dry van, never have never will. Flatbed is way better, going into construction sites and down into gold and copper mines. My best friend hauls toilet paper in a dry van, I always give him crap, literally.

@jossa942 Жыл бұрын

Bruh dry van is peice of cake 🍰 easy as hell

@Maddogtrucking 8 жыл бұрын

Good explanation on why you have to drive spreads differently than a normal tandem. If I can add another reason to avoid sharp turns with a flat bed.... When the truck is almost 90* to the trailer the 5th wheels natural movement will allow the front of the trailer to flex side to side. if the trailer is heavy it can flex so much that it will pinch down on the tractor tires and stop movement or worse the load can shift.

@williamharmon3076 9 ай бұрын

That's why I suggest putting a lift axle on any spread axle, if you own the trailer and it doesn't have one, if your pulling a company trailer, just make sure you're careful ..

@Darkeiser.7 2 жыл бұрын

First week of driving. Figures this out rather quickly. Looked like the tire was about to rip off.

@wmgthilgen Жыл бұрын

Hence the reason after listening to many other's; Rather than getting a spread, on my new trailer. I had a life axle installed at the legal distant's from my tandems. Yes it added more weight, but then in addition to being able to axle on the various scale and not get a ticket, nor any of the exsesive tire ware or replacement when those on a spread are destroyed as they are in various turn's. It was cheaper to add the lift axle, and the saving well made up for the additional weight. The combination of having a tandem and utilizing the lift axle, allowed me to scale 99% of my loads.

@NcalBiker 7 жыл бұрын

Not only tire damage, but over stressing the suspension framework as well. I had a seven foot spread on a 45' chip van that I was running, and it had been repaired after another driver had broken the frame by doing 90* turns in the yard, loaded! You just can't do that with a spread axel. Always, always survey your situation before you get into it! Just like pulling doubles, don't commit yourself before you know what you are getting into, then act accordingly!

@LomasLooman 12 жыл бұрын

wow i never knew the details of the tires in backing. Pretty interesting stuff. Thanks for the video

@futurenow522 8 жыл бұрын

just finished wiring mine up,,,rather have a rear dump then that riding with the front axel stored up, ,,,, rear dump extends the life of tires by cutting down Centrifugal Force acting on back axel,,great vid man

@ericm1430 6 жыл бұрын

I pull 5 axle flatbeds, teeter totters with the cluster in the middle and 2 steers. Loaded with 85000 some places i go are pretty tight and itll literately stop me dead theres so much drag. No choice some places i really struggle backing. Almost all of our trailers the outside and inside of the tires are very worn because of this

@BigRigTalk 12 жыл бұрын

the axles are further up on the trlr and close together allowing them to follow the truck easier. I love them when I was in Iraq. 120,000 lb water tanker turn on a dime with no issues. Wish we had them here in North America

@born2flyau 12 жыл бұрын

I am surprised they haven't outlawed spread trailers by now in the USA. They were outlawed in Australia over 20 years ago because they caused too much road damage as they screwed around corners and tore up the bitumen especially on hot days. Authorities allowed the same axle weights on closed axle as they did with spread axles and people switched over so as to greatly reduce tire wear & save costs.

@weasel884 8 жыл бұрын

nothing like the sweet sound of that cummins ISX after they lose their rattle

@mohamedsadik8210 5 жыл бұрын

This video was helpful and informative, thanks a lot, I subscribed

@ericm1430 6 жыл бұрын

yeah i pull 5 axles in ontario with 85-90,000...sharp turns make me cringe. Ive been some places where u almost have to 90 back loaded and i just cross my fingers the tire dont pop off or rip up the ashphalt. Stops you dead in your tracks too can barely push the trailer if its that sharp

@TCONA360 12 жыл бұрын

thanks for the info !! i just got my license and am starting on Tuesday with decking

@jerrykinnin7941 4 жыл бұрын

We run 9ft tri axle container chassis. They'll stretch to 40ft closed they're 30 ft. One of our company chassis split in2 mid turn with a 45,000 lb container on it. No tight turns.

@chrismorgan6149 7 жыл бұрын

If you do have a load on the trailer and you make a sharp turn 90 degrees. The trailer can tip over at the front of the 5th wheel.

@donaldbartram6315 5 жыл бұрын

Especially with a high 5th wheel. I use to haul bagged aggregates & we had 41 " 5th wheel height so the frames wouldn't hit,, They lay over pretty quickly if you don't watch yourself..

@jpugh3076 3 жыл бұрын

Holy hell! Never thought a trailer would flip just from turning

@lontrucker44 2 жыл бұрын

@@jpugh3076 Yes , with a flatbed , if you turn too close in a tight turn with a load of lumber or high load the load will almost lean over and scare the hell out of you , it happens to me in Mass. one time. The wrench hit the drive tire, yikes,,

@lontrucker44 2 жыл бұрын

Yes , especially with a high load on a flat bed.

@jpugh3076 2 жыл бұрын

@@lontrucker44 i have since found this out the hard way myself had two large coils on permit load tipped the front of the trailer backin in to sharp and put a nice dent in the catwalk 😬

@weathforjr 6 жыл бұрын

And they laugh at you when you nose in at a truck stop with tight parking. No, there's a reason for it

@coltdude9127 3 жыл бұрын

Yes there is.

@BigRigTalk 12 жыл бұрын

Ya we have the quads here to but I never pull them.

@smokeGR20 12 жыл бұрын

yep been there.seen my axle bend few times..like holy cow..not to good to do with load on it.. GOOD VIDEO!!!

@jasonloucks3631 7 жыл бұрын

I pulled for a company out of ny that ran NYC alot... our trucks had the switch on the dash for dumping the rear bags on the trailer to make the ass end of the trailer swing around quicker.... also we had to set the trailer brakes when we dropped a trailer and let the truck roll forward... I only pulled spread axle for 3 months... that's what I remember about it....

@SteelyPaw 7 жыл бұрын

It's inevitable that you are going to be making left and right hand turns often in intersections if you are going to get anywhere. If your trailer cannot make these turns with the axles down, then it's time to spec out a different trailer. You have to be able to pick up and deliver where there is a divided highway and you might have to make a left or right hand turn onto a secondary divided highway or even a rural road loaded, and you had better be able to navigate those turns without bending the rims or blowing out tires or tearing the retread off the tires. However I would never run retread or recapped tires on a spread axle trailer. Every so often move the front trailer tires to back and the back to the front to get more even trailer tire wear as the front trailer tires will wear faster because they shoulder more weight and drag more often.

@juanclozano6906 3 жыл бұрын

Congratulations, innovative product. Because the axles are separated, increases or decreases the wear of the tires, how does it work on twisty roads? Thanks for your reply.

@donaldbartram6315 5 жыл бұрын

I don't get why an every day thing like turning has to be videoed.. I wonder what we did with our time before phone cameras?

@MrCountrycuz 7 жыл бұрын

My fellow trucker pulls a 48 ft flatbed and he got loaded in Free port Copper mine in AZ . they did not load him right because they are used to your spred axle trailers so when he got to the scale 70 miles away he was 1000 over on his tandem. He argued up and down that he would not slide his tandems all the way to the back of the trailer and not get a ticket for a bridge law violation going to CT. after much jawing with him and his dispatcher he went along with the program and slid his tandem all the way back. He only had 30k on his drive and 11600 on his steer and claimed it would not do him any good if he slid his 5th wheel. His length from the kingpin to his rear tandem axle was 41 feet. Do you think he will have any trouble?

@braneden 2 жыл бұрын

Can I ask what the benefits are toba spread other than the more weight on the back axle? Do they ride smoother, it can't only be that it's cooler...

@BigRigTalk 12 жыл бұрын

when you say container trlr is it a normal tandem?? or a full spread?? The spread on the trlr in the video is a very large spread and when you turn to sharp the trlr wants to turn on the rear axle, dragging the front axle causing the tire to bend. On a small spread you get the same effect but only when loaded heavy. On a normal tandem it's minimal unless your real heavy. Real sharp turns on any trlr is bad for the tires but spread axles are the worst.

@Dachamp2001 7 жыл бұрын

I hope you have a dump valve in the cab for the rear axle on the spread. When i pulled flatbed I had a 48" with a 11" spread that little button came in handy especially on tight turns

@TheRoadhammer379 3 жыл бұрын

11 spread... uh, regulations for bridge laws are 10ft 2in. You're mistaken or blowing smoke

@Dachamp2001 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheRoadhammer379 uh no when I did have my flat bed it was 11' spread. Spread cant be no closer then 10.2 by regulation

@cobratrick96 12 жыл бұрын

i love spread axles, but it is difficult maneuvering them. job sites become nightmares with a spread loaded

@rcdenis1 7 жыл бұрын

Would you agree that, if you are going to be a local o/o then, a spread axle trailer might not be in your best bet?

@tammypope11 7 жыл бұрын

Why I use a dump valve on all my spread axle trailers

@nealschmitt6555 3 жыл бұрын

Me too, loaded or empty...

@scaniawahl 8 жыл бұрын

In norway there is tight Places everywhere, customers etc.we have no chance avoiding this anywhere :)

@DANGERTASTIC 3 жыл бұрын

When you’re loaded you can really hear that tire. Sometimes you gotta make sharp turns. Nothing you can do about it.

@MidwayGuy 2 жыл бұрын

Right. We got a dedicated customer who takes steel plate, for example, (heavy) and one of their doors is literally a 90 degree blind side jackknife back. "Piece of cake" the crane guy loves to say.

@willingtowork 12 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video and explanation. Just a suggestion, if you were to do this on gravel you would see the tires dragging in the gravel and it would leave an impression and then you would be more obvious to people watching You can see what you are talking about in your video but i know from experience pulling a tri-axle lowbed you really see it on gravel and the marks it leaves..

@joshuacornell6667 7 жыл бұрын

Yes the displacement of gravel occurs and you can see the track of the tires where they were just sliding for a ride.

@johnbarnett4858 5 жыл бұрын

As some one who is thinking about working for tmc trucking I never seen that information before. I will store your tip in the back of my mind. Btw I like tmc because of their pete 579 what kind of tracker do you have

@louiewatson9389 3 жыл бұрын

I'm training with tmc now. Yeah the trucks are nice. But we have dump valves for the trailer to solve this problem.

@MF11283 12 жыл бұрын

ok I get what you are saying. its just amplified. and by container setup yea the "normal" trailer setup where there is a foot or so between the tread.

@darrylm3627 Жыл бұрын

😀👍🏿GoodStuff Great Tips

@Bassotronics 8 жыл бұрын

Why not have a trailer with axles close together like a normal trailer but futher close to the middle and then have a system that moves the wheelset to the rear when needed on a sharp turn to avoid the back of the trailer shifting?

@Romans-xy5wn 8 жыл бұрын

Flat beds have a 10 ft split means they can have up to 20000lbs over each axle where with tandems its 34000lbs so we can haul more legally flat bed can haul up to 48000lbs where reefer is some where around 43000

@lontrucker44 2 жыл бұрын

Basically the spread is designed to load 40,000 lbs. back there instead of 34000 and its handy sometimes to get legal.

@JuanRamirez-gu7dh 3 жыл бұрын

The axle in the front where you got the camera pointed to is turning at a much lower speed than the axle behind it. I see what you mean. Thus the dragging .

@thegravyman3864 2 жыл бұрын

awesome video

@grobetog 7 жыл бұрын

If you lifted the last axle when running empty the trailer would follow the truck much better, you'd also have less tire wear and risk of puncture. You could also empty the air bellows without lifting the axle for increased maneuverability when loaded.

@supernut4021 3 жыл бұрын

I really try and take out the sharpness much as I can. Sucks when u get preloaded trlrs

@Chiefs1582 5 жыл бұрын

Rookie here only pulled vans in school. I have a interview with a flatbed company which will include a drive test any pointers?

@Tc-ev9dd 4 жыл бұрын

I driven them alot them video is very informative. One thing I do not like to do is over jacking the truck past 90 degrees even in a regular van trailer defeats the point of doing that because you do alot of damage that way. When I was new I would get close to the job site and talk to a construction Foreman or who ever I was delivering too that way I was 100% sure how to enter and leave these sites. It's not always easy too to set your self up to pull in or out too! Just comes with trial and error. Experience is your friend we all started somewhere. Any time you back these up crank the wheel really hard them stop and see where the trailer is then make some turning adjustments to the wheel. If you have to pull up a million times theres no harm in that. I never try to one shot anything. Anytime you dont hit any thing and get the trailer in there then that was a successful back maneuver. Good luck you will be fine

@TheBuckicod 10 жыл бұрын

Thanks years of exp saved me years of exp.

@raehuny9035 3 жыл бұрын

Install dump valve. Save tires and most important you extend life of trailer

@Spear98CZ 4 жыл бұрын

I am from europe, what benefits have spread axles over the tandem axles?

@TheRoadhammer379 3 жыл бұрын

Weight distribution

@lontrucker44 2 жыл бұрын

Axles together will allow you to scale 34000 and a spread is 40000 lbs. but with a total of 5 axles you can still only have 80000 lbs. gross weight.

@andywiggens1069 2 жыл бұрын

Need to make the front axle a drop axle....would save a bunch of head aches

@bigmantrucking3930 2 жыл бұрын

Elizabethton TN?

@lifeitsgreat 2 жыл бұрын

Spread lift axle it's the way to go

@BigRigTalk 12 жыл бұрын

Good idea

@iggymca 12 жыл бұрын

cant beat european tri axels on super singles we can spin them around with a full load in a tight circle without any problems

@Tb0n3 7 жыл бұрын

I've got super singles on my flowboy and those fuckers look like they're gonna tear themselves off the rims with just doubles. Wouldn't want to try that with the tag down. Though at 99,000 lbs, just under 45,000 kg it's probably a bit heavier than yours.

@petedude2lu3 7 жыл бұрын

good show

@robertfowler217 3 ай бұрын

Why not have a lift axle

@BigRigTalk 12 жыл бұрын

Great. Add it as a video response to my video. I will approve it as soon as you send it.

@Filmpilot 7 жыл бұрын

It’s called scrubbing.

@joshmattingly2380 6 жыл бұрын

Mapes in elizabethton tn

@trucker4trumpamerica172 7 жыл бұрын

it is a litter different to drive van..

@masonic777 7 жыл бұрын

Good Video!!!!

@MF11283 12 жыл бұрын

not trying to talk shit. just asking. but how is that tire scrub any worse then turning sharp with say a container setup? I have blown the bead on containers making u turns thats why IM curious

@jschmid 8 жыл бұрын

This is cool where, what city was this you were in?

@coteya 9 жыл бұрын

you get those coils at ivaco? in orignal ontario

@matthewpolo227 3 жыл бұрын

YOU DIDN'T MENTION DUMPING THE AIR IN ONE OF THE AXLES..( CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WOULD BE THE FRONT OR REAR YOU WOULD EMPTY ??) IS THAT EVEN AN OPTION FOR YOUR TRAILER ? IF NOT HOW ABOUT OTHER TRAILERS ? ANYONE WITH KNOWLEDGE FEEL FREE TO CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS AN ANSWER -THANKS.

@mclanegang1634 3 жыл бұрын

Dump valve on front axle

@russlea6383 4 жыл бұрын

Try to turn around empty when you get to a customer with a small lot. If you can't turn around before loading, ask them for 5 gallons of water and do a wet-down around your trailer tires for an easier pivot.

@ricicon6169 9 жыл бұрын

Don't you have a dump valve for that front axle on the trailer?

@ryanp4338 9 жыл бұрын

not on a tandem spread axle or any tandem for that matter.

@ricicon6169 9 жыл бұрын

I have seen dump valves on spread axles!

@ryanp4338 9 жыл бұрын

you mean dump valve to release the trailer air but not a lift axle.

@ricicon6169 9 жыл бұрын

Yes I believe that is right what your saying! It helps the trailer steer better without that axle airbag fully inflated

@jameshassel5838 3 жыл бұрын

Drop the air out the front drive on the tractor, make it alot easier to turn

@bigrigtalkgaming 3 жыл бұрын

you can't it's not a lift axle

@ChristopherEverett 10 жыл бұрын

Why have they not introduce truck trailer turn axles in the United States as much as they do other countries? I mean it seems turns would be easier.

@joshuacornell6667 7 жыл бұрын

Regulations, costs (manufacturing, parts, repairs and maintenance,) driver education, just to name a few reasons why these systems are not implemented in the US as over seas. I for one would like tires on certain trailers to be active turn, just for the better turning of the trailer following a wider path than currently, and to help those who can not back up if their life depended on it but also to assist in backing up in limited spaces with minimal clearance.

@louiewatson9389 3 жыл бұрын

You don't have a dump valve?

@bigrigtalkgaming 3 жыл бұрын

No because as soon as you make one axle a lift axle you loose the extra value of being a spreed axle

@lego4av 5 жыл бұрын

split or spread axle should be illegal , I hate them.. trying to get my cdl with it ....

@curtisblue22 5 жыл бұрын

Geographer 4 fun How is it effecting you getting your CDL...?

@tez_foe4382 5 жыл бұрын

@@curtisblue22 , They Will Give Him Hell During His Backing Manuevers.

@curtisblue22 5 жыл бұрын

I took mine with a lowboy bigger than their course. They gave me no problems

@james604701 11 жыл бұрын

Why not put dump valves in your truck? You won't have this issue I see NO comments saying anything about dump valves/switches.

@joshuacornell6667 7 жыл бұрын

Seeing as there is a max load limite to the tires, when loaded it would be stupid to dump air in an axle thus putting excess weight on the other tires causing them to blow and go flat and now they need to be changed out. That is why you do not see lift axles on two axle trailers, but you will find on other multi axle trailers, spread or not.

@lymanschimming2233 6 жыл бұрын

I asked that same question to two different companies one larger trucking company and one with only 4 trucks and they both said the same thing. That is that over the years they found that a lot of drivers forget to re-inflate especially after backing into truck stop parking, which caused all kinds of problems.

@lontrucker44 2 жыл бұрын

@@lymanschimming2233 Yes I know a guy who forgot and when he crossed the state scales he got a ticket.

@mr.skeptical3071 5 жыл бұрын

Just picked my spread axles van trl. Up! I've noticed I can't park at Any truck stops or rest areas cause I can't swing it in-between trls. I have to park on the shoulder! I hate it!

@TheRoadhammer379 3 жыл бұрын

You're kidding, right? I have been pulling spread axle flatbed for 22 years and seldom do I have as much trouble as you claim

@aggabus Жыл бұрын

1:58

@r.d.r7658 2 жыл бұрын

ever heard of a dump valve............budget trucker

@bigrigtalkgaming 2 жыл бұрын

I am BRT and fyi it is a fixed axle none slid-able and no dump on axle..... why? cause in some areas if you make it a lift axle you no longer can put 40k on rear. Also you do realize you are commenting on a 10 year old video. Also FYi not all spread axles come with lift axles. Look who is the budget trucker now.......