Poly Sand ISSUES! We Tested - HERE'S THE RESULTS

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Tussey Landscaping

Tussey Landscaping

4 жыл бұрын

If you are a hardscape contractor, it's likely you've had issues with poly sand over the last year or so. We certainly have. So we tested 5 brands of polymeric joint sand, and here is what we found.
The test plots actually performed a bit better than what we've seen happen in the real world with the Alliance G2 product. In the real world, we've had thousands of sq ft from dozens of our projects that had issues with not curing or setting up, eroding, crusting on top and not curing the entire joint, staying gummy, bubbling on the surface, etc. It was awful. The frustrating part is we've had to replace and re-do all these jobs on our own dime. Support from G2 has been weak and not helpful in finding a solution so far. Mostly they suggest we are doing an incorrect installation. 🤷‍♂️ Yeah... we've only been doing this for 30 years, I guess we could be doing it wrong eh?
We have done our due diligence, going through all the motions their support has asked us to. But no better outcomes.
I am convinced it is their new formula. They keep telling us our problems are odd and strange, as they haven't heard anything from other contractors. But our suppliers and their connections have been telling us otherwise, MOST of their contractors are coming back with problems and looking for answers. Based on the social media engagement we've had with other contractors, they've also been having issues.
Why did we do this video? Well, we hope it
- helps others looking for answers
-gets Alliance's attention and motivate them to take responsibility so we can solve this issue (not on our own dime)
-hopefully convince them to take a good hard look at their formula and re-evaluate.
Back in 2017, 2018, their sand was great! It was remarkable how well it set up and how little haze it had. Now... well... in the video you can see.
***June 1, 2021 UPDATE***
Alliance has helped us remove the failed poly G2 joint sand on a large project we did, and they provided us with their new Nitro sand as a replacement. Their new Nitro sand is their competitor to EZ joint. We have installed it a few times by now, and up to now, we haven't seen any negative aspects to it. Time will tell whether EZ joint or Alliances' Nitro sand is better.
Alliance also gave us free Nitro product in form of reimbursement for our costs in this fiasco. Which we genuinely appreciate. It's just never cool when you have to resort to these measures to get their attention, I guess you could say this video has served it's purpose. One bright spot, the new Alliance rep that has been assigned to us here in western PA has been excellent, and we look forward to working with him in the future. He was much more ready and willing to help then our past Alliance contacts.
***END OF UPDATE***
In the meantime, we've found Easy Joint.
www.azpects.com/products/easy...
You can talk to our rep Dale Weaver to find a place to buy it: 717-629-5471
It truly is an AMAZING sand, and to be honest, is a much more durable product then polysand ever will be. Regardless though, we'd still enjoy the option of having a solid poly sand available.
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Пікірлер: 357
@rodplumb9805
@rodplumb9805 Жыл бұрын
Great test, initially disappointed Easy Joint didn’t form part, but pleasantly surprised when it appeared late on. We’ve just laid 74 sq metres of 900 x 600 light grey Indian sandstone here in Hampshire, UK, using Easy Joint, Stone Grey in the 10 mm joints ‘Fabulous’ product!! Thanks again for very useful test.
@elaine1743
@elaine1743 2 жыл бұрын
Mine never set up even in extreme heat and no rain. Basically the same problem you folks were having. Great video! I am changing the product I use. Thanks!
@zachariahsmith6937
@zachariahsmith6937 2 жыл бұрын
Great content guys...down here on the Delmarva Peninsula and I have seen this a lot also! Awesome to see the quality your desire to see and back your workmanship with correcting the issue💪🏾🙏🏾👌🏾💯‼️
@byronsmail1766
@byronsmail1766 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video, the best video done on poly sand. Great job and thank you!
@2222dw
@2222dw 3 жыл бұрын
Great video - I am in the process of resending my driveway border bricks and decided to do some research.
@caddidon
@caddidon Жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing this video, taking the time and sharing this great information
@geertslandwaterscapes7930
@geertslandwaterscapes7930 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Weston for putting this video out!
@jbbolts
@jbbolts 2 жыл бұрын
thank you for taking the time to do this much appreciated
@JacanaProductions
@JacanaProductions 3 жыл бұрын
So I was about to use some of this polymeric sand from Home Depot and I came across your video the thing is I spent $2500 on the raw material another thousand dollars on the base and probably $10,000 of professional time and I’m gonna throw down some cheap crap between the joints! I’ll definitely look at the easy joint stuff and will be taking my Home Depot stuff back.
@adamkimo7447
@adamkimo7447 3 жыл бұрын
thank you great information. I"M doing my yard pavers bricks so it great to know about grout. Thanks great video
@cocotat8071
@cocotat8071 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your information. I am currently looking to re do my paver. May be I will give it a try on Easy Joint.
@octavianhd
@octavianhd 2 жыл бұрын
I've seen these issue on other sites with the G2 a few years ago. I have just used it myself at a new site now. Will come back to check
@Rocketyt
@Rocketyt 2 жыл бұрын
You are absolutely correct sir!! This stuff gets Rock Hard in minutes. I've been including this in my diet for about 2 weeks now and haven't had the need for one of those little blue pills since!! Thanks Bro!!
@bye92
@bye92 3 жыл бұрын
I live in eastern PA in the Poconos. I'm glad to see another hardscape company who probably has the same issues as I do. (, Digging through ROCKS) lol I'm definitely going to subscribe to you, every other landscaping company on KZfaq is out in the west with nice soft soil lol and this is a fantastic video! We use poly sand as well
@danieltelkamp6438
@danieltelkamp6438 21 күн бұрын
Great video! Thanks for all the demonstrations
@edlockart1731
@edlockart1731 3 жыл бұрын
Great video.starting my first flagstone patio,lots of inexperience.
@user-nn4xk6kj1p
@user-nn4xk6kj1p
I had the SAME issue! I thought it was me or that I did something wrong. I really appreciate your testing and sharing your results.
@dmassarone1955
@dmassarone1955 2 жыл бұрын
I've used the Alliance Super sand, both fine and with the aggregate. The very first time I used it (3 times now) I may not have gone as fast with the showering step. So yes, the membrane started to cure and the surface became "spongy". I called, left a message and the company out of Laval Canada immediately called me back. He told me just take a nail and puncture all the "questionable" areas and repeat the showering process. This actually worked out well and the following year I "touched up" a few spots (as the patio was not installed properly but is very sufficient) so the next bag I purchased from the distributor came in "wet" so I figured I would try and get some product use out of the non wet spots in the bag. Realizing it won't work due to moisture in the bag I used what I could and it did hold up pretty good. Not great, but this is what I was expecting. That was the first project which was done with flag stone and blue stone of different sizes and colors laid out in a very random layout and spacing. The base(s) were individually set for each stone as well as the sand to level and keep from rocking and tamped. Quick and dirty job looked pretty good and lasted as I had expected. This next "fix" I power washed the patio and removed most of the poly and will replace it with the "Easy Joint". The second job I used 12x24 blue stone with proper 8 inch base and 1 inch sand, blah blah and used the Alliance Super sand without the grit for spaces up to an inch. We'll have to see how this holds up and compared to the Easy Joint. Easy Joint's claim looks great however I'm just a "little" concerned on the smaller joints. No worries here, but just the thought. Can't wait to use it.
@niallmartin9063
@niallmartin9063 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent clear video, no BS just problem solving. ☘️🇮🇪
@TheOfficialSteelReign
@TheOfficialSteelReign 3 жыл бұрын
Almost 18 minutes of my life, learning about sand and the different properties of different brands, that I'll never need to know. That's how good you are. I watched the whole thing... twice. Nothing blew up. No gun fights. No pond builds. How do you do it? It's mystifying. 🤣 Good work on keeping it interesting.
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