The Hobbit trilogy was many more-times better than you gave it credit for.

Did you do a separate review on the Hobbit Trilogy ?

@@geraintthatcher3076 I did not. This video was entirely motivated by my love for these movies. I've never felt the compulsion to revisit and/or talk about The Hobbit movies :(

Yes

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My thought exactly at 17:00

Weren't they the fellows that literally wore the fingerprints off of their fingers doing this?

@Anon Anon #3 Quite a few of the cast was unproven at the time. Who the hell was Viggo Mortensen? Sean Astin was really only known for The Goonies. Elijah Wood was mostly a commercial actor at the time. Orlando Bloom was literally just out of acting school when he started LOTR. #4 The video went over PJ's career before LOTR. Not really someone you'd bank on making one of the best movie franchises of all time. #5 Howard Shore was associated with dark, horror films at the time and only scored a handful of successful films. #6 Obviously very bias. New Zealand wasn't a special film location before LOTR

@@cjtrules1 Just because they were unproven and/or unknown at the time doesn't mean they weren't still the best casting possible for the trilogy, because they most likely were, the films themselves are the proof in the pudding so to say.

@@MugenHeadNinja well said!

#7 No black people

Yup… we don’t see that type of ambition or passion in films anymore.

Thanks for sharing! It's a shame The Hobbit didn't meet its potential. Like you said, it has flashes of heart that show what could have been! Maybe if the big wigs didn't insist on a trilogy, and if everyone were given more time, those movies would match the standard set by the LOTR. I'm very jealous you got to be a part of it all. Cheers!

@@2leftthumbs Happy to share, it was an awesome time for all involved. I have some comments you may be interested in on the Nerdstalgic vid “Why they Fired Aragorn”

What you all accomplished was awe inspiring and changed the way movies could be made. I love the LOTR trilogy because it’s obvious that you all had extreme love and reverence for the project. Thank you for your work, helping create something timeless that is loved by millions of people around the world.

@@dallaspoll Please share these comments

From the bottom of my heart... Thank you.

it wouldn't work in today's society.... everyone was white back then too.

Absolutely!

Awesome to hear from someone with such a direct, personal experience with these movies. Thanks for sharing!

🎶orcs just wanna have fun un🎶

When the films where being made, people who stumbled across the sets where allowed to be extras so they would hopefully not spoil where it was or whatever. Keep in mind im not talking about full on sets but smaller things.

That's crazy yo

Jesus man I jizz myself everytime I hear those Elven horns and the sheer majesty of the Elven army coming to the aid of their younger brothers. Thank you for making my childhood great

That's incredible! I'm actually thinking, I may have never listened to the commentary for these movies?! So that's a new one for me! Thank you so much for sharing, that's so fun and heart warming :D

@@2leftthumbs You absolutely must listen to at least some of the commentaries. They are just as unique and outstanding as the movies themselves.

@@2leftthumbs Oh, you really have to listen to the commentaries!! The actors’ ones are great, but my favorites are the director/writers ones (with Peter, Fran, and Phillipa) and the post-production ones with Howard Shore and a few of the producers. I really like the FotR director commentary, especially the bit where they were talking about Fran being the source of the Ringwraiths’ scream. I think it’s Phillipa who jokes that, to get her to scream in the recording studio, Peter told her he got the rights to The Silmarillion!

@@kathyastrom1315 That's gold!! All these years later, and I apparently have dozens more hours if behind the scenes left to consume!!

I think that illustrates how the desire for perfection animated the entire crew!

That is awesome, well done!

Good job. You found a passion, chased after it, and are now doing what you love. That is more important than anything. Really inspirational!

Urgh, Leipzig. Widerlich

As a person who moved to Leipzig couple of month ago, it is wild to see this message. I will make sure to visit the theater to admire your work 🥰

How much for an elven cloak?

I said the same thing! It was like they had peered inside my mind.

That's beautiful.

@@pscar1 That we were "all on the same page", is a tribute to the power of Tolkien to describe effectively and beautifully, exactly what he meant and saw in his mind.

I love that

I think it was partly because they used the illustrations from some of the most amazing Tolkein artists as their base for those scenes. We'd all seen the illustrations and watercolors and it was like they'd come alive.

That's how it was written as well

That’s the major flaw of most MCU films. There’s too much wink-wink pseudo-breaking of the fourth wall dialogue to the audience. I think the only movie that doesn’t have that nonsense was The Winter Soldier

@@Bingo_the_Pug Bro, Lex Luther stole your cakes.

@@Bingo_the_Pug Completely agree. I'm sick of the constant fucking 'gags' in MCU movies

Ya Tolkien wrote it to be a myths and history of England because they didn’t have any

Favts. I also love Game of Thrones behind the scenes as well!!

Yeah and then Andy Serkis goes on live tv and wont stop spouting about how the animators did "absolutely nothing" and "every single piece of Gollums success was because of me and my performance." The dude is such a stuck up jerk. My dad's a Disney animator of high acclaim so the name of Andy isnt very accepted in our house given his childish reponse to "his" success from lotr...

@@Glorfindel_117 I graduated college in March of 1999 with a graphic design degree from a very challenging and cutting edge university. One of the classes I took was learning how to create a 3D CGI animation project using the same software that had just been used for the first of the new Star Wars movies that came out in the 90s... It was by far the most demanding art class I ever took - the amount of time it would require to do the littlest of things can’t be understated. It was extremely _TEDIOUS_ work, and because it was so time consuming, we were spending endless all nighters in that computer lab, and even when I got sick with the flu, I had to work through it and continue doing all nighters in order to have the project finished by the end of the quarter. It was wretched. It was my senior year and by then I was very used to doing all nighters for a variety of classes every so often, but they were nothing compared to that insane level of just how little sleep I got that entire quarter because of that one class. I lost my sanity for a spell there. You ever get such little sleep for too many days in a row that you just start getting giddy? That happened quite often. I invented something I called “figure chairing” to release some steam every now then so I wouldn’t break and completely lose my mind. I’d sit in a chair with rollers and push myself around in figure 8s and such, arms outstretched gracefully, like I was figure skating. Lol. I learned an enormous amount and was very proud of my finished project, but I knew right then and there that I wouldn’t care how much a career in that industry paid, I would never work in it because of how just how grotesquely time demanding the medium was. One simply doesn’t have a life in that field of work. That class gave me soooo much respect for the artists that work in that field, getting to know first hand what all goes into it. It takes a _LOT_ of heart and fortitude! At least the software and computer hardware has come a _VERY_ long ways since then, so maybe it’s not _AS_ rough on the artists as it used to be. One can only hope. All this to say, that really is f’d up of Andy Serkis to dismiss the incredibly hard work and _ARTISTRY_ that goes into modeling and animating cgi! What absolute nerve of him to talk like that about the computer artists that created lotr, including his gollum character. You sure he wasn’t being 100% sarcastic and joking?? I can’t imagine him not recognizing what a feat that was for the team!

The new TV-Show that comes out this year will suck! It looks like its 90% CGI.... LOTR was so good because they didn't use much CGI (if you compare it to the Hobbit)

he's a genius. those motifs for Shire, Ring, elves, Gondor, etc. are nothing short of musical genius

I’m a senior citizen baby boomer , sci fi fantasy fan & retired music teacher & I totally agree. I saw all the LOTR movies and all of the Star Wars movie originals in the theaters when they first came out and was an immediate fan of John Williams’ wonderful scores which I often used in teaching my students. But the Howard Shore’s score is absolute perfection in its relationship to the events portrayed in the movie and adds to the overall emotional impact. I have watched all three in succession on TV several times And these three movies are an absolute masterpiece.

I just listened to one of the actors, Gimli, I think, talk to Nerd of the Rings and he kept thinking this was a terrible idea, he was dealing with family issues and would rather be home but, after he saw how serious everyone took it, how hard they were trying, how Jackson and the crew were giving it their all, he found himself during their first press junket saying this would be bigger than Star Wars!

Agreed. Thankfully, that love of the subject does show up occasionally still - Dune definitely qualifies, and Arcane for a small screen equivalent. Both immediately stand out for obvious passion and quality that went into them.

@@TheJestersGhost People commissioning both Dune and Arcane were far more heavily motivated by profit, though; pushed by Legendary and Riot respectively Whereas LOTR was a grassroots campaign spearheaded by Jackson, in desperate need of a studio to adopt his entire vision. Passion was Jackson’s primary motive, whereas profit is the primary driver for Dune and Arcane’s shareholders (both giant Chinese corporations) I think Jackson’s trilogy was simply the perfect storm. A once-in-a-generation pioneering effort which came out of nowhere to place its creator’s achievement and homeland into cinematic history forever

It’s why the Wheel of Time show failed. The people making it didn’t truly love that story and wanted to tell their own.

@@the_well-known_stranger2275 exactly and why as much as i want to see the pern series it needs to be a very special creater to bring it to life

I LOATHED what was done to "The Hobbit". I'll NEVER watch it again. ugh! but I will re-read The Hobbit when the mood chances by, lol

Watch the M4 4 hour cut. Super loyal to the book and cuts out all the unnecessary and bad CGI scenes!

@@user-hn6si9df9d Ive never heard of this before, thank you for pointing me in this direction! i just read the list of changes and edits the creator made, what a dedicated project. I cant wait to see the result.

@@EntreriSeraph you’re welcome! Happy to spread the word that there is a great version out there! And he made subtle edits to the clips. Eg removes the Bards son from the Smaug/Lake Town scene when he fires the bow and makes larger holes to show how the orcs arrived at the battle of the 5 armies. Nice details :)

The only moment I can think of in Fellowship that looks bad is when Legolas jumps off the trolls back after his arrow didnt pierce its skull at point blank. Looked bad back then. Looks even worse today. Other than that I really cant think of much else.

''Our only interest is putting our message into the series and we thought we shouldn't honor Tolkien by putting his message into it.'' -Amazon 2022

@@nihilist1680 pretty much

@@nihilist1680 Thats the bane of almost all big movies today... They make movies not to tell a story, but to transmit a message almost noone wants to hear.

@Ebola Well, you better damn well believe if someone is going to put $300 million into a project, they're going to want their message in it. The thing is, with PJ's LotR trilogy, he had an original story that was unique in its being beloved by key people from top to bottom in New Line. There are very few novels that elicit that kind of devotion. Do you really think Jeff Bezos or any of his second in commands love The Silmarillion the same way?

*Ahem* Lauren Hissrich and the Witcher...

Objectively true, not just based on public opinion. Its the only trilogy I can name where all three films are held to a certain standard. Every other trilogy, be it Terminator, Star Wars OT, Star Wars PT, Jurassic Park, The Matrix, or Pirates of the Caribbean, each and every one has at least one film that falls short of the other two; in most cases the 3rd. Only in animation have I seen any exceptions to this. But being animation, they are not regarded as highly.

@@Phendranaguardian "each and every one has at least one film that falls short of the other two; in most cases the 3rd." Yeah and LOTR's has two, fellowship and TT falls short of ROTK and even it is extraordinarily overrated, anyway there is other highly acclaimed trilogies which are considered to have all three around the same level of quality, in reality LOTR's doesn't.

Dude basically just said all three films are mid, and expects me to take him seriously. Choked on my tea from that XD Edit: That's 👇 even WORSE LMFAO

@@Phendranaguardian Who said they were "mid" what the heck does "mid" even mean? I never said they were average or anything, I said ROTK was on a higher level than the other two, I think the other two are below mid and ROTK is above it.

@@Mr.Goodkat mid is basically just another word for mediocre

Another amazing example!

The fact Amazon hired John (sadly not Alan) is the copium that is keeping afloat my feelings this series might not suck

@@MollymaukT just embrace it now, you wont be as disssapointed

@@MollymaukT I hate to say it, but it will suck. When they say they're making it similar to GoT, you know it's already over.

@@LordVader1094 I love GoT (the first four seasons at least) but it’s nothing like LotR?? God I have no hope for this new adaptation

The soundtrack is a lot better than Star Wars.

@@coolnamebro it's debatable, I agree personally but I know many prefer Star Wars.

@@coolnamebro not even close

@@coolnamebro woah what.....LOTR soundtrack is perfection and is better than any other blockbuster soundtrack by miles....But that doesn't mean it's better than Star Wars...Better than Sequel soundtrack..Okay I get it...But it's not better than Prequel or the Original soundtrack.... You may like it more but it isn't better

Howard Shore did a truly amazing job when he wrote those soundtracks. They're so supportive of the films, and many of the themes are quite evocative on their own.

The first version, before the tech was really refined, and he's just running around in a white morph suit are extra funny to see

For a few years it seemed like he was the motion capture guy ,but now I see him in more and more traditional acting roles.

@@glennross85 I'm glad he's no longer pigeon holed, even though he was always incredible in his mo cap work!

You don’t realize how athletic some of his movements are until you see him

you have to watch it with his audio. it's so good

If I remember it right it’s mentioned in an old white dwarf (Warhammer magazine) that in the RoTK a few people from games workshop are bodies on the floor during pelennor fields.

I watched all 3 extended versions a few years ago in dublin in one day Long day but amazing

Calling it a documentary is hilarious and amazing! That man was in the ZONE when making these. The fact that they were spending so much time on things many would likely never see is unbelievable!

Where did you get to see that?

With the 4k releases you can really see how crazy detailed everything was, and seemingly how long it would take to make all of that on that scale.

Yes. The whole LOTR period was a special one. So many memories of it. I was studying in Wellington at the time. From the first days there was an understanding that something important was happening. Knowing actors and extras and hearing their stories of what they did last week. A workmate telling me stories of this crazy night shoot he just did for weeks in a Quarry and telling me "Yeah we are doing helms deep out there". A guy I worked with called Tala (or maybe it was Sala - was a long time ago) even turned out to be the Uruk that killed Boromir (then got his head cut off by Aragorn) - I have so many experiences from that time that I couldnt retell them all. It was a special time and everyone here put a lot of love and passion into it.

Every costume, prop and location looked real. They somehow lost that with The Hobbit films.

Imo league of legends arcane kinda did that for me

@@skya6863 yeah that was legit but I never played lol

@@wesleyowens4089 no one needs to play LoL to enjoy Arcane, that's why is an amazing adaptation

I truly hope they never try. MAYBE someday, the Hollywood machine will change, and there will be an opportunity to do something new. But as it stands, it's impossible to think of them topping Peter Jackson's version

@@2leftthumbs same here man, i hope they let these gems be.

I really wonder what the Amazon series will be like. If it will capture the magic of Tolkiens world in a different age

@@2leftthumbs the benefit of it being tried though is that it should be easier to read the books without seeing the film in your mind.

@@chrisklappich5998 Not even close lol

@@frankgrimes7388 The hobbits in the movie don’t have dwarfism.

@@Dr.HowieFeltersnatch In the movie, no, hobbits are just hobbits. IRL they were played by different actors: for some shots like the rotating table scene, normal size actors Elijah and Ian who appeared differently sized due to forced perspective, and for long shots like Gandalf's wagon rolling into Hobbiton shot from some distance behind, where the faces could be hidden or disguised, actors with dwarfism.

@@frankgrimes7388 why do you like the smell of your own farts so much my guy?

@@frankgrimes7388 Tolkien literally created Tom Bombadil. Be careful what you wish for And “best” doesn’t mean “perfect”. Massive distinction

I saw some of it on tv recently, and I thought it had aged poorly

agreed

When I was in high school I was pretty dorky. I used my own money to buy me my friends and my dad and brother tickets to the Return of the King. We all went together and I still think about it. I still talk to some of those friends.

I manage an independent movie theater and we screened the LOTR trilogy over a 3 week period at the beginning of 2021 when studios weren’t releasing hardly any new films to fill our screens. It was epic, though very few people were going to movie theaters back then.

I saw Jurassic park in the theater when I was about 14, and I thought, there will never be a more exciting theater experience. I was wrong. Now, I am a dyed in the wool Tolkien nerd, so as a college sophomore, junior, and senior, while there was much excitement and much anticipation leading up to each year's theater experience, I was always bringing a lot of arrogant criticism about this line got wrong or that sequence being added or taken away. BUT, the intro to the Fellowship is the most badass, the most METAL SAURON thing that was more exciting than any other theater experience ever. And as I've aged and brought my kids up to love beautiful things, the movie trilogy has grown and grown on me and I see it now as a truly beautiful labor of love. Phenomenal films.

After watching The Fellowship, as I was leaving the cinema, I turned to my wife and said, 'Well, I definitely need to make sure I live 2 more years now.'

@Spiderman no way home there will be another lord of the rings remake, wait and see... i doubt Amazon bought the rights for fun? To much money to be made.

I’ve watched LotR trilogy twice this month. I did because movies nowadays suck 2022 and I needed to watch a real passion project like LotR and also 2005 King Kong.

100 million in 1999 is almost 200 million dollars in 2024 money. It was record breaking amount of money at the time. It had better look phenomenal.

that's really nice. it kind of made my night, reading this

Long live Weta Workshop!

@@Mrkti aww that's so nice to hear, thank you, Lord of the Rings is just the greatest!

Amazing memories you hold! I was the same age as you when these movies came out and changed my life as well! now at the age I am embarking on an original fantasy film because I am so sick of seeing awful fantasy movies/series since LOTR came out!

I was 50 years old when they were released and had long since given up hope of the film EVER being made. I'd seen a couple of earlier attempts but they were nothing to get excited about. Then I heard of this production and thought to myself that , as usual, hollywood would butcher the story. When I first saw the Fellowship I was gobsmacked with the brilliance of it. My thanks go to Peter and, of course, Mr J.R.R. himself .

Absolutely! On top of the insane work that was put into producing, portraying and filming these movies, they then went and capped it off with what is likely the greatest film soundtrack of all time!!

I completely agree! Listening In has some great videos that break down just how brilliant Howard Shore’s score is that I’d recommend. Here’s the link to one if you’re interested kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d-CUas-qr5qdYWw.html

Indeed. It cannot be stressed enough how important and magnificent the soundtrack really is. One of the most recognizable soundtrack of all time.

I still have goosebumps everytime I hear music from LotR, no matter which one.

This was the first movie score I ever bought, my entry ticket into symphonic music and kick-started my appreciation for choirs, too. I remember awkwardly playing the CD for my friends with this boy's choir singing... It's such a shame Shore stooped to recycling this phenomenal score for the dumpster fire that is The Hobbit, tainting all my fond memories.

You must mean artstyle wise. Quality-wise? Not really. Havving watched the 4k remasters they just dont hold up as well as my memory thinks of em, and they rely heavily on the darkness and low quality footage to not make their CGI and slower action be revealed. I mean the slower action part is mostly more to do with 24fps than resolution etc, but you can see that in the 60fps versions of the hobbit; You can see its slow and coreographed there. That said its the best trilogy by far, and the talent+effort+time put into puts it vastly above everything else.

@@7PlayingWithFire7 I think the person meant better production, screenplay, characters choice and the direction+ cinematography. You can watch these films years later and yet they feel like you're watching them for the first time. It's a complete visual Masterpiece.

And I'm feeling old now. I remember I watched it in cinema and even my boss, who could never think of anything else than work, talked about the books and that he liked to read them as a student.

Why do book readers always bring up the issue of not being a perfect portrayal of the books? That's literally the whole point, it's a movie, not a book. A movie can not represent all the information in a book in the same way and THAT'S OKAY

@@Sartheris I think you missed my point there a little bit, that was the core I wanted to get at, a perfect 1:1 portrayal isn't really possible, it needs balance, and that balance was perfect in the case of the original trilogy. What needs to be perfectly portrayed for movies to work however is the core message of the book, the intention, the feeling, and most movies fail horrendously at that and that's why book readers hate them.

I still say the movies are better than the books. They're closer to a drama, with much more characterization, rather than hectic plot ploints. The strength of the Lotr book series was 100% the world, not the prose or dialogue or even characters. Like I think objectively that movie Aragorn, Borimer, Faramir, Eowyn are more fleshed out and nuanced than the original books.

Yes the hobbit movies weren’t as good but they got pretty damn close, closer than some when trying to squeeze that last little bit of juice out a franchise.

@@Sartheris No if some characters are stupid or weird only because the director thinks that will be hilarious (the dumb dumb Gimli comic relief cringe) or the acting as Frodo, Jezus fucking christ what a 2/10 performance

Let me know when when you get that portal opened. I'm in.

There is a parallel universe out there where this level of planning, writing, work and love is put into every film and series.

There's also a parallel universe where all this work didn't wirk out and the film was a failure. But instead Jack and Jill by Adam Sandler is the first film to achieve 1 billion.

Do you mean,,, Star Wars 🤣

@@breakerdawn8429 in this universe there are people who love Sandler films and absolutely hate Star Wars or LOTR or Indiana Jones or Ghostbusters...

Correct!

"truly never will be another film trilogy like Lord of the Rings" I think it is CERTAIN to come other film trilogies that are even better than Lord of the Rings. It just takes a while to let ideas bloom out into a masterful implementation.

@@keplaris2401 not with modern entertainment. Good ideas get squashed so they can push political agendas. There's a reason Hollywood is bleeding money and most of what they produce doesn't even break even these days. We'll have to wait for hollywood to die and a new version to rise before we have the next chance.

@@keplaris2401 . . . Welp no one’s gotten even close yet!

@@keplaris2401 you live under a rock

@@zarroth bruh Dune came out this year, and LOTR isnt even the best thing to come out of Hollywood

i was already floored seeing FOTR for the first time where it was just amazing shock the first 30min on. When it showed the pan over the model of Dol Goldur, the sudden thought came to my mind that I hadn't seen something this great and impressive in efx and visuals and pacing in this genre story since the "Empire Strikes Back"!

A well made miniature is unparalleled in its ability to be timeless. This is why even today those scenes are still as breathtaking as they were decades ago.

In many ways the LoTR is the same perfect blend of mostly practical effects, animatronics and models with CGI that Terminator 2 is. Filmed right when CGI was just good enough to look real on screen but still expensive and hard enough to do that it would only really be used for shots that physically cannot happen on camera. Meanwhile the Hobbit films look like a cinematic sequence in a video game. Well, up until that point during the stupid barrel sequence when everyone just gave up and it just looks like video game gameplay. You can see the quality of the CGI drop 10 years back in an instant right after that log cutting shot.

Agreed 109%

@@deitpep6629 When do they show Dol Goldur?

Same for me.

Seems to be a pattern there. We watched the whole trilogy on my dad‘s birthday in 2004. It was getting late and I proposed to watch RotK the next day. Dad said he wasn‘t tired and wanted to continue. He was 85 then and my Mum was 80. They both wanted to continue and so we did. We probably went to bed around 2am, happy and full of the great story once again. Around 8am those two were up making tea and I was just coming down from my room when I heard Mum calling. In the middle of reliving the previous day, Dad had given a groan and simply crumpled to the floor. Heart attack. Swift and at a moment when he was really happy. I love these films and can never watch them without remembering that day and the morning after. Mum passed on 11 years and several more LoTR ‘watches’ later. Like you I never feel alone with those films.

similar too me. LOTR is my most vivid memory of watching something together with my father, before he passed away. so, it only adds more to my love for these movies.

same here dude..i enjoyed avengers :endgame, but nothing else came close. lotr 3 is still my favorite

The book did that to me. After finishing reading LOTR, I didn't read anything for four years afterwards. Even now I still struggle with focusing on a book for any period of time.

Same. I was both incredibly unlucky for these movies to set the bar of cinema so high early in my life, yet also lucky that I was alive to witness them myself. The sheer triumph of the success of these movies embodies the spirits of Tolkien’s stories of hope. These stories are truly a light in dark places for me.

@@AndiFels I love the books and have read them multiple times. They were the first and the original fantasy books. But that also means that there's room to evolve. The fantasy genre has incredible worlds and stories that I would definitely claim are better than LotR. I don't mean to make this a competition or something, just nudge you to go read other series so you don't miss out.

Agreed, I'm now 42 and every time I watch a movie I subconsciously compare it to the LOTR trilogy and I'm disappointed

Bro, it feels like a few months back. Insane, isnt it

lucky!!!!! i was just 5 years old at the time 😅

I only saw Return of the King in theater, I think, I was only 9 and we lived in Hamilton, not far from Hobbiton at the time. It was extra special because my dad was with me. I'll never forget it

Hes amazing

I have always thought Tolkien's ghost was somehow influencing everyone! I bought a soundtrack for the first time since Star Wars (Empire)!! Howard Shore is a f*cking genius! Its funny how all the pieces came together for this movie! But you are right, Howard Shore's music is a masterpiece that totally goes with LOTR!

A few commenters have given examples of other impressive productions. Surprisingly nobody's mentioned Star Wars, and that really is a great example! Maybe someday I could make this a series, and pivot the presentation to simply be revolutionary productions!

The cgi used in LOTR is better than the cgi used in any new films even though LOTR was 20 years ago. You’d think that cgi would be better now but it only got worse

That's just nostalgia speaking, we have so much better cgi nowadays.

​@@zeogamingmc No, it is a fact, specialists say that. It is a great CGI and really holds up to today standard.

while the CGi might hold up, what turned me down where the 2 dimensional characters and some of the very obviously tiny studio locations. That „Mirror of Galadriel“ scene was an atrociously tiny studio. It looked like the old Jules Verne stuff, only in color.

I guess the star wars 2.0 our great kind dreams

And to think it was directed by a guy famed for his 7second peaks. To have 3 well paced and well toned movies is amazing. I quite agree by the way. I'm a big fan of marvel and others. But these hollywood branded movies bore me. Every other studio follow suit these days. They are unable to create tension if something isn't blowing up. Most memorable scenes from lotr were the slower paced ones imo.

I love the movies, but the Aragorn-Arwen romance in number 2 is a bit of a drag.

Best movie I've seen in a while and one that had me as involved in the story as LOTR was dune. Highly recommend

Endgame was a letdown. The fellowship of the ring was slow but still better and during the two towers and return of the king I was dreading that the movies would end, basically wanting to live in the world lol

@@randomdude189 Nah, I disagree 100%. The long ending was necessary to provide sufficient closure to all the characters. Look no further than Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows for an ending so short so as to rob an audience of a good closure.

Yup!

Yep, I saw ROTK again in theaters in early 2021, man talk about night and day between watching at home & on the big screen... Really brings out the horrors of the flying nazgul, the mighty courageous charge of the rohirrim, among other great things we rarely see in films And overall I hate fantasy / people's addictions to stuff that's not reality. But Lotr in literature and film does it Right. And it certainly wasn't alone back in the early 00s, Spiderman, Harry Potter, and Star Wars (as much hate as they started getting post R.O.S., they were still huge back in the day) so it was easy to find your perfect niche and easy to love fantasy back then, borderline Cool even...

Still holds up? These movies still look better than a good portion of recent blockbusters.

@@jamiecottrell2347 Yup spoiled us and we didn't even know it... The hobbit trilogy (minus some portions, I'm sure the heavily edited versions are much better) & Star wars sequels especially were always crap imo, at least going in as an adult... [ ^^ To each their own if they were somebody's/ your childhood.... (Sw prequels always hold a spot in my heart, not just for the video games/ nostalgia... Sure plenty of cringe but at least it had plenty of heart & soul, or at least legit tried lmao... At the end of the day it's just fiction man.. idk why people get so dam cutthroat over not enjoying a film hah, so many insufferable souls out there....)

The story isnt even that good though After Fellowship of the Ring there is literally and objectivelly 0 reason to follow Aragorn's Arc. He's literally irrelevant to the story, yet he has the only fun scenes.

@@GetOverHer3 well, the movie would be a bit crap if just followed through the hobbit lense like the book.

@@GetOverHer3 If you were right, I would agree with you.

@@magicbrownie1357 But if you'd agree with him, you'd both be wrong :) After maybe even 10 years, I recently re-watched trilogy on a huge 4k TV, blu-ray extended edition, all by myself so I could cry when need be. I do agree it's the greatest story ever told on film and, furthermore, I'd say it's the greatest movie ever made, once and future, absolutely unsurpassable.

J.R.R. Tolkien's work and his son's work are the greatest stories ever created.

I went to the museum exhibit of all of the costumes and props, then saw the 2nd movie at the Embassy Theatre in Wellington where all the premiers were. It's an old building that used to be a stage theatre and has been converted into a movie theatre and it's pretty nice. Good times. :)

@@jeremybeavon4476 That's so awesome. You're making me jealous :D When the movies released I was a kid and in bad circumstances. I never got to see them in theaters. TBH I'm so used to the extended cuts, I would probably be disappointed.

I always found that the theatrical release of TTT did Faramir dirty compared to the books--but the extended version at least (if not fully) fixed that by giving the explanation/excuse of the father dynamic.

@@Sure0Foot Yah, that's the compromise you have to make with films though. As fans we would be willing to sit and watch a 5 hour cut of any of the trilogy, but the average mouthbreathing theater goer? I think what they did with Saruman in the theatrical cut was flawed though. He was the primary villain and just disappears. That would work if they had set up Murazor as a stronger villain, but as cool as the witch king is, he's barely in ROTK. Sauron is of course the main bad guy, but obviously he is more of a feeling/presence than an actual character. They should have either kept the cut Saruman stuff, actually filmed his arc from the book, or setup the witch king more and had a more climactic fight/end to him. Maybe a flashback to the high fells and angmar stuff when Gandalf was telling pippin about him.

I think the Nolan Batman Trilogy is the only other geek flick I can think of where it didn't feel like it was commercialised or made for teens or kids but a serious movie for adults that want to see realistic world that isn't generated by CG. Mad Max Fury Road is one other example where they used practical effects like in the old days and it makes you feel like the world is a real one. Maybe over time there will be a reawakening for more realism again. I know that The Joker did commercially well despite being small budget so perhaps this is an indication that as long as great artists/actors/visionaries give a crap about the material they will make quality. It's only when they are not fans of the material that they don't give their A game. There are still low budget Sci-fi movies like Dredd (the one with Karl Urban) that are cult faves amoung genre fans. Why? Because they are gritty and realistic still and you can tell the actor involved are fans of the comic. The moral of the story is if the people involved in creating the work are not fans of the material, then do not expect them to pay attention to detail that only other fans would appreciate. Autistic nerds who make stuff they like will always go the extra mile to please other nerds because they are OCD on things they are into. (lots of value is obtained from the worker if they are detail freaks who live and breath the fantasy universe they want to create - this is the definition of what a fan is: a religious fanatic that devotes their life to making it work even at the expense of health to get it done. Find these people and you have struck gold)

Warner Bros. produced this lmao

The problem nowadays is everyone working in the entertainment industry is an activist first and everything else is secondary.

@@Supermanfan99 Maybe people are like that because the entertainment industry is insanely exploitative and people want change. Yikes dude, but I get you just want to be entertained you don't want to have to think about the world around you.

@@jonahsingh5645 Or maybe what I’m saying is I want well written shows instead of poorly written shows built around an agenda.

I'll likely never know what kind of deal with the devil Jackson made to be allowed so much slack, and freedom to make the movie he wanted! I genuinely hope that someday, someone takes that sort of chance again to give us anther movie wonder on this scale!

@@2leftthumbs can you think of any book series or story that would be as impact full or deserving of a film as LOTR

@@thewildcardperson Dune was the next most obvious answer. From there, I'm not really certain! I'm maybe not as well read as I wish to be. Certainly not when it comes to the classics

For me that would be the Earthsea Cycle by Ursula Le Guin. All existing tries to make a movie or show out of it are a pure pre-LOTR era shame.

The (first) Hobbit feels more like a fairytale and I really like the vibrant and even magical feel to it. For me it didn't have to be at all the same compared to LOTR. However, the two other movies unfortunately didn't hold up and the magic wore off more and more, trying to be more like LOTR while not understanding what made LOTR what it is.

Well, the Hobbit trilogy was adapting source material that is extremely different in tone. I personally think those first 20 minutes of the first Hobbit movie are the best thing that managed to come out of that entire trilogy, because it's obviously its own thing and sets a more light-hearted whimsical tone and the story hasn't yet gotten to the more grandiose setpieces where everything becomes an ugly over-the-top CGI fest. I'd argue The Hobbit turned out so bad because it was trying too hard to just be Lord of the Rings all over again, but that didn't jive at all with the fairytale-like premise and tone.

I always wonder what we would have gotten if Del Toro had gotten a chance to direct his vision, for the hobbit. There's a lot I enjoyed about the Hobbit movies, even if the magic wore off super quickly compared to lotr but the need to tie everything in to the prior lotr films always dragged it down for me.

It hurts my ribs and legs watching him crawl through that rocky river trying to catch that fish. What a professional.

Peter Jackson's LOTR movies are perfect.

Yo I'm a big fan of yours!

For Me Also the Greatest thing Ever Filmed

Lol there are far better fantasy books than lord of the rings

@@buzzwithdrip6347 First, I disagree, but second, even if there were, they wouldn't have existed without LOTR. LOTR literally (forgive the pun) wrote the book on fantasy. The two other fantasy series spoken in the same breath are the Wheel of Time, which became a meandering mess before Jordan died and Sanderson had to fix, and A Song of Ice and Fire which will sadly never get an ending unless GRRM relents on letting someone finish his work after he dies. Neither live up to what LOTR is as a complete volume/series/whatever you want to call it. Maybe in time, other series will receive a similar following to what Tolkien has given us, but I tend to doubt it. I understand why some people would not be keen on LOTR. It spends a good deal of time on world building which tends to bore a lot of people. However, some people really like that aspect of fantasy writing, and few, if any, have done it better than Tolkien. Fantasy has evolved into more of a character centric genre instead of world building with popular series like Mistborn or ASoIaF.

@@buzzwithdrip6347 Could you give some examples? I would love to read them.

250,- Million (!) for the rights and the rest - still almost a billion - for WHAT exactly? Horrible costumes, horrible characters, more or less decent locations?

​@@beyondlimitationsvideo good stuff reduced to Easter eggs

@@beyondlimitationsvideo It's that expensive because they are required to do 5 seasons I heard. Not that I'm justifying it, I won't watch it, just relaying some information I've seen.

Those 2 guy's making the chainmail alone have put more love, thought and hard graft into the original trilogy than the entire production of Rings of Power.

@@tedkaczynskiamericanhero3916 I think the point still stands: Peter Jackson's trilogy is one of the best in cinematic history and probably cost less a third to make, combined, than Rings of Power, which is an abomination where it counts (characters, storylines/plot, dialogue, all terrible if look look beyond the CGI). Money is not the solution to these problems, it is the problem (money can't fix ROP's problems).

More importantly, the people making these films cared enough to spend years, sometimes decades, getting everything as good as they could possibly make it. That’s what really sets this trilogy apart; not that it hit some magic balance of different types of VFX. CGI, models, animation, compositing; all of those can look bad and detract from a film if the artists don’t care, are rushed, aren’t given clear direction, etc.

Couldn't agree more!

Yet kind of boring. Weird.

@@lurr33 wrong

@@lurr33 You must have been dropped as a baby

Didn't expect to see you here Vinny. By the way, these shrimp fresh?

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@Spiderman no way home there will be another lord of the rings remake, wait and see... i doubt Amazon bought the rights for fun? To much money to be made.

The idea of someone sitting down to watch this with their dad is the sweetest thing I've ever heard. Thank you so much for sharing!!

My only complain is that the world seems pretty empty - no villages at all in a fantasy land, only cities and empty fields, looking like in the whole kingdom only these large cities exist and their kings of falling kingdoms... it has certain atmosphere but book lands seemed more alive

@@olgagaming5544 even books are like this but cities are big

@@buzzwithdrip6347 Yeah, well, I mean cities are still big out there and really there isn't that much focus on random villages like in Warhammer or Eragon, in Lotr this aspect is more developed into stories from Shire rather than showing such villages from Gondor or Rohan I quess, a lot of middle earth would fit into these desolate visions from movies but you can catch small hints, for example under Edoras I think there were big plains where horses were eating grass... Not just empty grass without any roads, horses or people etc... Or I remember few sentences talking about some villages in Gondor and dol amroth, so I quess one might not find it as important but I like fantasy world building :p

I like that for example, when something is mentioned, it is very complex like Shire but when the story progresses into different, more heroic scenario we got background more open for interpretation

Anyway, in my fantasy world I like to add a lot of small villages, their general shape, design, inhabitans, dramas, relationship with nearby watchower Guards, usual paths, worldview