Racial freedom fighters? Source?

The term "racist" is but a slander used specifically against White people. For those who use the term, any sense of irony or self-awareness must be damned at any and all costs.

@@danejurus69 look this up. Hillsdale College lecture: The Character of Ty Cobb I believe was the name of it. Look up Ty Cobb and Hillsdale college it’ll pull it up. Cobb wasn’t so much a freedom fighter, but he was not a racist as portrayed. He was raised in an abolitionist family. His grandfather was a minister and a stark abolitionist. Many of the stories about him were made up. You can find this info if you really want to.

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To be fair, there were some incidents in Cobb's life that are pretty difficult to explain away. That confrontation with a Black hotel housekeeper in Pennsylvania, when he called her the "N-Word" and then shoved her down the stairs, was pretty ugly to say the least. (Biographer Charles Leerhsen', whose Cobb bio was intended to clean up the man's reputation, metions it but then pretty much glosses it over.) On the other hand, Cobb was a strong supporter of Jackie Robinson, he spoke out for the integration of baseball, and he praised Willie Mays as one of the few modern players whom he truly admired. So he was definitely a complex man -- not the wild-eyed psychopathic hater that Al Stump (and the Tommy Lee Jones movie) portrayed.

when one of the greatest hitters also has pitching records that still hasn't been surpassed, then I say Cobb would be 2nd best. IMO

You’re wrong bud . Ty Cobb is the greatest hands down .

Ty Cobb was a great hitter, but never threw a complete game as well. Ruth still remains baseball’s best

And then there was Clemente

You are 100% correct (He is the best).

Brilliant & master baseball hitter & great base stealer etc etc

Statiscally , yes . I would pick only one player over Cobb . That would be Willie Mays because he was like a player / manager his whole career . Baseball is much more than just a game of stats . Willie was the ultimate team player !

Really? Ever hear of Babe Ruth?

I agree. Full stop. Because you're FullOfShit.

@@Grizzlied555 who? you mean the guy voted NOT FIRST into the HALL OF FAME? and a guy who ate hotdogs and drink beer and could only hit homeruns so he didnt have to competively run the bases? or the guy some of you think , he was such a great pitcher, shouldve woulve couldve, he didnt have a long career as a pitcher.

@@Andrew-ci9xv Ruth has the highest war, ops, ops+, slugging%, as, well as the most home run titles, slugging titles, and ops titles in baseball history. That guy.

So what? Ruth was better.

@@TheBatugan77 Ruth hit for power, Cobb hit for average, check out Cobb's batting averages, they are the best of all time.

@Donaldo Ron And the debate goes on, lol

@Donaldo Ron Then why didn't his contemporaries vote him 1st into the Hall of Fame ? Huh?

​@@jackinthewoodsii8653 GivesAShit about votes? Ruth dwarfs Cobb. Cram your votes.

Second best.

Third best.

@@TheBatugan77 Who is /was better?

@@johnreape4353Stan Musial, Ted Williams, Babe Ruth, Miguel Cabrera & so many more

@@andresmiguel8082 All great players, none as good as Cobb, let alone better!!

Totally agree…Crawford was also terribly resentful of Cobb for his ability. Crawford was the premier power hitter and maybe most popular player in the American League at that time…Competition from a little man from Georgia wasn’t taken in stride

It was wayyyyyy over blown.. left media drivel..

Cobb is exactly the sort who should be an American hero, while his detractors are exactly the sort destroying this country all the while.

@@xxxYYZxxx yes ...it is a big honor 🎖 to be an American citizen 🇺🇸

exactly, but TY COBB haters probabaly dislike veterans too. Ty was ww1 veteran, his mom also shot his dad and killed him, I'd be a little pist off in my game play too, it helped fuel him to be the best

@@Andrew-ci9xv thank you 😊 🙏

they like their ignorance instead

Fucking sad that someone gets this bent of shape about another person's opinion on who they think the greatest of all time is. Go organize your baseball cards lmao

Go take some pills dude

THIS STATEMENT IS THE DEFINING STATEMENT THAT SO MANY JUST CAN'T READ OR COMPREHEND THE FACTS IN THIS AND STILL WANT TO DEBATE BECAUSE THEY'RE A YANKESS FAN OR THEY THINK HE WAS ONE BIG RACIST AND HE WAS FROM GEORGIA. HE CAME FROM A FAMILY OF ABOLITIONISTS; HE'S ALSO SEEN IN PICTURES SHARING A MOMENT WITH AN AFRICAN AMERICAN PLAYER OR ITALIAN. NA, THEY SEE A WHITE MAN FROM GEORGIA AND DISCRIMINATE AND SAY HE LOOKS LIKE HE CAN'T READ, OR HE WAS MEAN LOL BASEBALL DIDNT GET CREATED FROM CHURCH GOING PEOPLE LOL IT WAS A DIRTY GAME BACK THEN AND THE GAME STILL ISNT CLEAN TODAY. DEAD BALL ERA MEANS THE BALL WASN'T JUICED AS MUCH AND SMALL BALL OR ACTUALLY FIGURING OUT HOW TO SCORE RUNS WAS THE NAME OF THE GAME, NOT SOME FAT ASS THAT ATE HOTDOGS AND DRINK BEER AND SMOKED ALL THE TIME HITTING A BALL OUT, TY COBB ONCE SAID HE COULD DO THAT, BUT IT WAS THE MAGIC WHERE YOU ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME AND USE YOUR SKILLS. THIS REMINDS ME OF A COMPARISON NOW A DAYS IN A WAY LOL , LIKE PEOPLE SAYING LEBRON IS BETTER THEN JORDAN. NOPE. MICHAEL JORDAN IS KING AND GOAT

You poor misguided simp.

I love this more than you know, and these others have no clue what you're talking about. you know your TY LOL

Including supporting Mickey Cochran for most of his post baseball life.

Yeah, he didn't pose with giant checks for the press. He did it pretty quietly, which makes it all the more impressive.

Josh Gibson never came close to .370 anything. Plus the negro leagues did not keep accurate track of what they did.

Not according to the players ( about 80%) that played with and against both Ruth and Cobb. Not according to the baseball writers, Cobb had the. most votes, with Babe Ruth and Honus Wagner tied for second. You, however are still entitled to your opinion.

​@@johnreape4353 I'm entitled to look at baseball reference. The stats overwhelmingly point to Babe Ruth. Even before the ball was livened, Ruth was a colossus. As a pitcher and a hitter.

When one of the greatest homerun hitters of all time also has unsurpassed pitching records in the post season, then I tend to go for Ruth. Nice drawn out explanation though. My opinion is my opinion, if you don't like it, who cares?

I’ll concede you that Ruth was a very good hitter, a good pitcher and the most popular baseball player but it doesn’t mean he was the best player ever. I’d say top 5; Cobb, W.Johnson, Bonds, Ruth, Speaker.

Random, whose HOF plaque says, “created more records than any other player in history.” Babe Ruth or Ty Cobb? That’s right, Ty Cobb. He also received more HOF votes than Ruth from people, who, unlike you, actually saw them play. Cobb played in an era when HR’s were rare so nobody can hold that against him. When you compare apples to apples Cobb beat Ruth in batting average, stolen bases, putouts & assists. Ruth beat Cobb in power. That’s 4 out 5 categories used to rate a player for Cobb. If Ruth really was better-which he wasn’t-he would’ve received more HOF votes than Cobb since he played in the media capital of the world but he didn’t. Cobb was the first player inducted into the HOF and named the Greatest Player of All Time by a panel of baseball historians in 1960. No shame in Babe Ruth taking silver.

@@uprr00 Walter Johnson and Cy Young both said Ty Cobb was far and away the greatest ( all around ) baseball player they had ever seen or played against. Could Cobb hit homeruns if he tried? Five homeruns in two consecutive games , nine hits in 12 at-bats (.750), six runs, one double,11 RBIs, 25 total bases. Ruth never did that. Three called stolen bases on three consecutive pitches. Ruth never did that. Stealing every base in the same inning. (Three times) Ruth never did that. Stealing home plate 54 times in a career. Ruth never did that. The highest batting average of all time. ( Still to this day) Ruth couldn't do that. People remember that the ball and the game was different between the time of Cobb and Ruth. The post deadball era baseball was more dynamic and the game not nearly as physical. The greatest player didn't just hit and pitch, he played the entire game better than anyone else.

@@kubark1016 Here are two other reasons Ruth wasn’t better than Cobb; first during Ruth’s day the NY Yankees had the lion’s share of American League Hall of Fame pitchers i.e., Ruffing, Hoyt, Gomez, Pennock and players: Gehrig, Combs, Lazzeri, Dickey, so Ruth benefitted by having HOF’ers hit in front and behind him and face pretty much garbage pitching throughout the rest of the league. Cobb wasn’t as lucky since he faced way more HOF pitchers and wasn’t surrounded by HOF’ers on his team. Second, in the later part of his career Ty Cobb was a player/manager so he didn’t rack up statistics like he did earlier in career since he had to focus on managing games. Just imagine his career stats had he played full-time. It makes no sense how people who never saw Ruth play act like their opinion outweighs those of people who were there i.e. Mack, McGraw, McCarthy, Stengel, Walter Johnson & Cy Young and reporters who still gave Cobb more HOF votes than Ruth. Yes Babe Ruth was a great player, but no F’ing way was he anywhere near as good as Ty Cobb.

AGREED

You ever hear of Babe Ruth?!

@@Grizzlied555 The fat man?

I love it

He gets the blame for distorting the facts, or just using fiction when it served his purpose. Just using that photo of Tommy Lee Jones from that POS movie discounts much of the value of this video.

@@patrickmorgan4006 for the third time. I posted these clips because I find the stories interesting. Considering there wasn't much footage of Cobb I made due. If you don't like it, don't fucking watch it. I am not a historian, or trying to get likes, shares, or make money from this dipshit.

@@AdrianEmbrey1979 How would I know whether I liked it or not unless I watched it first? Don't be so sensitive. Or if you are going to be so sensitive, turn off commenting. What did I say that was incorrect? Did you think that Jones movie was good? Accurate? Do you think Burns didn't distort facts?

He did, he chose to hit for average.

Cobb was a beast then, and he would be a beast now.

Are you kidding me? First, he hit .367, second, Hornsby hit .358, less than ten points away.

@@Grizzlied555 I’m talking today’s game, pithing is too good…..

@@jimlucas3872 The pitching is not that good. The hitting is weak.

@@Grizzlied555 I meant to say, the pitching today is really good and the hitting will never catch up to allow a 367 lifetime average

You know why Cobb would not hit 400 against today's pitching (In 1960) because he was 74 F"King years old.

They would hit .500 if they played today.

Look up George Herman Ruth.

No. They don't.

smh. That furthers my argument. Babe Ruth has records he set as a pitcher when he was at Boston that still has not been surpassed in the post season. Considering he was an amazing pitcher and one of the best hr hitters ever, I think that qualifies him as the GOAT. IMO!

Look at Ruth's 1918-19 seasons. All he did was lead the league in several offensive categories, go 22-13 on the mound, set a World Series PITCHING record, and use that record to help Boston Win its last World Series for 80+ years.

THEY'RE GOING TO OVER LOOK YOUR COMMENT BECAUSE IT'S EASIER TO WALLOW IN IGNORANCE

I'd pick Gehrig over Cobb.

Ruth, Cobb Gehrig

The players that played with and against Cobb and Ruth, would disagree, as did the baseball writers voting on the first hall of fame class!! You are still entitled to your opinion!!

Thank you for the compliment

Babe Ruth

@@Grizzlied555 Not even close

@@shannonpatrick77 Surely you jest.

@@Grizzlied555 Not at all

@@shannonpatrick77 Go back to school and learn a little son. Rather, learn a lot.

In my opinion Babe Ruth because anytime you are a pitcher who has records that has not been surpassed in the post season to this day, and you hit that many home runs, and won that many times, I say that equals the best. Best overall talent (based on records) one would have to go with Ty Cobb

Pete Rose was not #1 in his era. He had more total hits in his career than anyone, and was certainly a great player, but he is not even in the conversation for greatest of all time. Just to name one, Rod Carew was a much better hitter than Rose in Rose's era. Neither hit for power and Carew's career BA was 25 points higher than Rose's. To name another, Henry Aaron, whose last half overlapped Rose's first half, had the same career BA and OBP, but hit 595 more home runs.

I think you are completely wrong. His stance is meaningless. It's what he did when the pitch was coming that counts. Cobb was able to adjust to any type of pitch by controlling what he did with the bat, and he was capable of doing whatever he wanted with it, and his swing was just fine. He could swing away when he wanted, or punch the ball through holes in the infield if the situation called for it. Cobb might not have hit a career .366 today, but he would have been well over .300. The man was an artist with the bat. It's why he despised the power game.

@@patrickmorgan4006 You're right. Cobb would eat these defensive shifts alive with his split-grip swing. These idiots today can't get hits when the other team gives them a complete side of the diamond with one infielder. Shameful! Played same day as his tonsilectomy. Modern player can't play with a blister on his pinkie.

@Alien Observer, Try putting a high spin-rate and 90mph+ fastballs on a baseball, as one sportswriter from that era described as "rather soft, mushy, and sawdust-like!" That's why there was fewer arm injuries! NOBODY in their right mind would try to 'Nolan Ryan' a ball of that composition and most pitchers of the era pitched side-arm with an easy slinging motion, no powerful leg drives, vicious body torques, or harsh hand and arm deliveries and releases! The game was still in it's infancy as was player fundamentals and techniques! Try getting hooked on TRUTH SERUM, you just might like it! Segregated baseball was NOT the sport's best era and neither were most of it's participants, plain and simple! 🤣😂😅

@@normanmcneill9144, 🤣😂😅!

@Alien Observer, l have forgotten more about baseball than you will ever KNOW and still KNOW more than you EVER will, ROOKIE! You racists ALWAYS trying to make all white baseball and it's players as the best era the game has ever seen! A 100% proven LIE!

You had lots of 'uncles'... at least that's what your mommie called them. ☝️😆👍

100% agree

No way. Cobb was better except in overall power. Cobb was more powerful every where else.

@Alien Observer unlike Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth benefitted from having at least 11 HOF’ers on his teams; Hooper, Speaker, Combs, Dickey, Gehrig, Lazzeri, Sewell, Gomez, Hoyt, Pennock and Ruffing. If it didn’t make a difference, let’s see his numbers had he played for the Boston Braves and St. Louis Browns throughout his career without any of the aforementioned. Thus proving the point that Ruth’s teams were loaded (hitting in front and behind him) as he padded his career numbers on weak competition pretty much his whole career. In today’s terms that’d be like Shohei Otani playing on teams with Pujols, Cabrera, Trout, Freeman, Judge, Soto, Correa, Verlander, Scherzer, Kershaw and Cole each 100% healthy and in their prime. Nevertheless, read this over and over til it gets through your thick skulls: Ty Cobb SET MORE RECORDS in Major League Baseball than any other player in history. Consequently that makes him the best player who ever played. As I’ve stated before, the winningest manager in baseball history; Connie Mack, was managing the A’s before Cobb’s first season (1905) and after Babe Ruth’s last season (1935), he saw each of them play and said Cobb was the best player ever. Babe Ruth fans on here listen to how stupid you sound; “Connie Mack is full of sh*t and doesn’t know what he’s talking about, but you who only read about Ruth know more than he does.” Sorry fools it doesn’t work that way. Regardless of what simpleton Ruth zombies think, Ty Cobb is the player who set the most records in baseball history, the first HOF inductee with more votes than Babe Ruth, and recognized by witnesses and qualified experts as the Greatest Player Ever.

​@@uprr00 Ruth was better. You get paid by the word, you long-winded gasbag?

PEOPLE WHO VOTED BOTH IN WOULD DISAGREE ;)

Who the fuck said I was a documentarian? This man is very interesting to me so I put together clips that I found intriguing. If you don't like it, fuck off. I don't care about likes, shares, and def not how I make a living retard.

If he interests you then read a book. Don't post a bunch of bullshit lies that Ken Burns made money on.

so if its printed in a book its factual? Hmmm. Didn't realize that, dumb fuck. Take your insecure pussy ass somewhere else.

@@samjohnson9904 By the way, maybe I should take notes on your amazing videos you have uploaded on some skanky ass phone.

​@@AdrianEmbrey1979 I didn't say you were a documentarian. But i'll say you're a duushbag. Better?

It easily can.

OTHER THAN YOUR IGNORANCE HUH?

bonds cheated... he was declining... and then all of a sudden he is miraculously rejuvenated... bigger, better and stronger than he was in his early 20s? he never would of hit 500 HRs without the PEDs... never would of had all those MVPs... Clemens did the exact same thing...

Ty cobb original baseball ⚾️ hitters;; 400 batting average in a major league season: 4000 hits:: Barry bonds never did that;;; steroids free;;; Barry bonds fans

Your only saying Bonds was the best because he gave you part of his stash of drugs.

AND THATS WHY YOU ARENT IN THE BASEBALL HALL OF FAME AND THE VERY FIRST INDUCTED INTO IT HUH? HAHA SIT DOWN

Agree

You best be trolling.

@@scvman992000 You only agree because Bonds gave some of his stashed to you.

@@detroitandclevelandfan5503 Nope. I think he’s the best ever.

@@scvman992000 Yeah guy who took steroids to enhance his performance because he sucks. Yeah best ever 🙄

Dudes with no f'n hands shouldn't run their mouths.

The good old days. ✊🏻✊🏻✊🏻✊🏻✊🏻

We need to bring that back.

agreed, that's where babe ruth lands,