Ask an atmospheric physicist? Is James E. MacDonald good enough? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_E._McDonald

@@Valorius Where have we looked for microbes?

@@Valorius They merged.

@@Valorius Mars is the only one and that is arguable. The asteroid Bennu was not tested for microbes. No one really expects microbes on hot airless bodies like the moon.

@@Valorius yes agreed, didnt like guests chuckling low knowledge answers per UAPs. we should ask aegis engineers about sigma values of aegis tracks. we wouldnt ask pilots about things Hubble spots....so why ask astronomers about craft in our air ? makes zero sense.

and my glympse reading was: 2 aliens and Adam Frank are in the center of galaxy

Yes 😂, I also understood it so that type 2 aliens might be there but Adam Frank being there is more certain.

Hilarious he does see to be way to sure of himself

Lol 😆

The aliens have Adam Frank in the centre of the galaxy?! 😰

while just making up any old nonsense you wish about things so far away nobody can actually ever prove it right or wrong is what then, by such definitions?

It's always the same with these types, their arrogance ensures their ignorance. It probably doesn't help that they feel compelled to proclaim their dismissiveness amongst their peers, but it can only reinforce their disbelief because nobody wants to be a fraud so they convince themselves that their dismissiveness is of course the correct thinking. But yeah, I don't put much weight into what "intellectuals" think about anything beyond the empirical. Deep thinkers drinking from the puddle they all peed in while making monkey noises. We simply can not know what we do not know and it's beyond arrogant to assign motive or technological capability, for all we know there could be no limits to what can be achieved, for all we know they ARE capable of making mistakes, silly to assume they must be perfect. Or maybe they are but have their own reasons idk but I do know that they don't know either.

Amen

@@justinwatts1660 someone had to say it, well put!!

Jeez, don't you hate when astronomers talk about UFO's? I love most Event Horizon videos, but I had to turn this off early. These same people have NEVER seriously studied the phenomenon, but they will talk religiously about "there's so many stars and planets and galaxies, there MUST be ET's out there." Of course, saying that means more government funding. And of course, they think they're going to actually hear radio signals. Radio, lol. And of course, since WE cannot travel interstellar distances, no other species could possibly do that. Talk about total nonsense. Two hundred years ago, try to explain a smart phone to all the "scientists" back then. We have spent the last year and a half being blatantly LIED to by "scientists" in the health field. This guy is just another astronomy professional, and just another intellectual snob.

@@justinwatts1660 Yeah

@@Valorius I telepathically communicate with my ferret...

don't worry we have the Mobile Infantry

aliens could never "BE" bugs, because as far as we know, "insects" only evolved on our planet.

The Thranx might beg to differ.

@@raidermaxx2324 k, wait til you see the Mantids

Actually, if you really dig into those, it was usually strange lights. And NO ONE at the time suggested aliens.

@@Valorius Also the Green Fireballs and the Swedish missiles which everyone thought were Russian tests, but apparently weren't. It was a weird period where no one had yet said anything about aliens, yet ideas about alien life were well known. Churchill had even written an essay on the subject years before. Then in the 50's after some sci fi shows, all of a sudden everyone jumped on the alien explanation. At least in the US, not so much for other countries until much more recently.

Foo fighters were balls of plasma, and aircraft no longer produce them.

They were seen way before that as well. It's not a modern thing it's just reported more and easier.

Lights in the sky were discribed in ancient Sanskrit (indian) texts.

In China, AlphaGo was a "Sputnik moment" which helped convince the Chinese government to prioritize and dramatically increase funding for artificial intelligence. Watch the KZfaq documentary alphago. Everything changed in 2016.

@@papabee5680 thanks for the recommendation! I just checked out the first couple minutes of the doc. Im definitely gonna watch it!

To me this is one of the stronger arguments. It’s absurd to think that one of the other great powers has this tech and nobody else has developed it, or used it in the wars they’ve been involved in in the decades the phenomenon has been seen.

that' absolutely a misinterpretation of everything that is said in this podcast

Just imagine a huge civilization with countless quadrillions of life forms, all travelling around space with all this curiosity. Even if they made some law about not interfering with us so we can be observed and studied at least a handful of assholes would come poke around on the planet, do some stupid stuff, and get spotted by us. They wouldn't be a monolith. That's naive Hollywood thinking, and too simplified.

I'm curious as to what alien sightings are you referring to? There is much discussion about UFOs/UAP, but nothing about any 'alien sightings'.

Public interest in space tech has been used to justify ever-increasing military budgets since the 1950s, it's nothing new. Because the same tech that gets rockets into space is used to increase missile velocity via propellant improvements, & increase potential explosive yield/destructive capability 🤷

Fair point.

I for one would be excited to learn about a Star Trek style scenario out there.

Big unconnected leap to take. Correlation is not causation let alone making hypothetical analogy. Having said that, I would be flabbergasted and flummoxed if life was very rare or isolated to earth in this vast and potentially infinite universe.

And can't find any of it? Lol

@Apstore Login Life started off as blank automatons Seems a bit silly to state that there’s no reason for us not to be blank, when life evolved specifically away from that to escape predators that found utility in having higher cognitive function Also, you’re assuming some inherent difference between non-living and living matter. This is an incredibly common flaw in reasoning but is also very difficult to avoid because we’re looking out from within. But as far as the rules of Reality go, there’s no actual distinction between ourselves, and a rock We’re effectively just a more complex rock, if you understand the analogy that I’m drawing here As far as consciousness goes, add variables to a network and the network becomes more complex. Emergence is an inherent property seen at every single level of Reality so no reason to expect it not to at what we think is its highest level (consciousness). But to be clear: There are blatant evolutionary advantages to not being “blank”. To clarify further however: As far as the body is concerned, we *are* blank. Free will is an elaborate illusion designed to encourage us to behave in a specific, usually beneficial-to-self way. And without it, perhaps the automaton wouldn’t be as motivated to interact with others, or run spur of the moment when a bush rustles That’s my take

Exactly.

Sometimes it is. It depends on what's being claimed, and what evidence should be expected.

The evidence of absence, is not the absence of evidence.

That sayong sounds profound and is frequently quoted... but it's also pure nonsense. It's not *proof* of absence perhaps, but it *is* evidence. I see no evidence for the existence of vampires or succubi either, but that's not going to convince me that such crratures *do* exist.

It's like we're trying to prove the Reimann Hypothesis, but at the same time, cant find any zeroes on the critical line.

And more than that it said "there is something there, it poses flight hazards, interrupts military operations, shows up on sensors, and it absolutely positively is not ours or a radar glitch., we need to look at it because we don't know."

Yep

lol They know what it is.

shame they spent so much energy hushing the narrative, which just brings the conversation to levels decades behind what they should be.

Yes, highly significant that the US military admits ignorance about this. Surely not an easy thing to do.

Thank you for watching Torkel!

Ha...me too

Had everyone that clicked on the video. Lol

He can count that as a win?

Hahaha

Type 2 in Kardashev scale.

This was recorded before the report released

@@EventHorizonShow Oh that explains it. I got a different impression from the graphic of the report scrolling by.

@@jacobito6223 Did you mean the graphic that starts scrolling at approx 10:50, the one that has something very odd in the top left corner? Just making sure we're all talking about the same graphic... 😉

@@innocentbystander3317 yeah, the report. Do you mean the opening summary or something further down?

@@jacobito6223 Not quite sure what you mean. I hear the top left corner has something nifty... keep watching, maybe you'll see it. [Taps side of nose and winks twice]

This thought is trash. You are not getting anywhere pal. Maybe listen to the specialist in the podcast instead of getting to conclusions based on the movies youve watched. No one here besides the two guys talking in the podcast have the knowledge to go against what they are saying. Be more humble

@@ripdib maybe try being more conducive to conversation, rather than patronizing and aggressive. And if still you insist, then at least be correct. "No one here besides the two guys talking in the podcast have the knowledge to go against what they are saying." That's about the most anti-scientific thing there is. ANYONE can offer a different view, bearing in mind that they must follow a proven criteria, and may be completely out of their depth, but saying they *can't* will only stop the conversation. And if you just wanna be the last person talking then you're not really here to learn anything. Like I disagree with a lot of what Adam Frank has to say about principals of searching while not knowing. He's trying to explore what we don't know through the lenses of only what we know with complete certainty, and that certainty he's chosen to use is that WE DON'T KNOW. It puts a false confidence in what does or does not qualify as 'good speculation'. And some of what Dr. Frank dismisses as not good enough to speculate on seems more like a handwave to things he just didn't think to consider. His opinion piece and whole stance toward UAPs seems to put extra effort into being smug. Phrases like " UFOs don't *impress me* " and " UFOs and ghost stories are spooky " just seem like focus toward belittlement, which is not what you emphasize in a scientific discussion. Also, he has an incorrect view that - if UAPs are an alien entity - they are trying to stay hidden but failing. The reality is that there is not a single scrap of anything to indicate what kind of intentions these UAPs would possibly have. ALL we know from any report (that still defies explanation) is that they move fast. Something that moves fast at all times; doesn't care about concealing itself, and doesn't need long to do whatever it does while slowed down, would indeed be very elusive. We don't conceal ourselves when researching the Sentinelese from airplanes and helicopters, because we know the outside world of ships and airplanes is already visible to them. But we also don't stick around longer than we need to, and we don't try making contact. precedent exists for us to assume others might do the same. There are other things that Dr. Frank says which I disagree with, but I'm not going to spend my whole day typing this out.

@@ripdib About how humble would be about righrt?

Yep. They read a news article, clap the dust off their hands and are suddenly experts ready to debunk.

Yep, think of computers as day dreamed of 150 years ago.

A lot of science fiction is purely fiction. Because a lot of science fiction contradicts physics. Or chemistry. Like Star Trek, Star Wars, even Halo and Dune, etc.

Ya how many times has science fiction come true so far hmmm….

@@politicallycorrectredskin796 Ridiculous. Have a listen to what Avi Loeb has to say on this and you will hear an actual scientist. And his mindset is not even close to the above stupidity, because it is pure stupidity to make statements like that. And please stop with the IDIOTIC straw man arguments.

@@politicallycorrectredskin796 And you did too, by clutching your pearls and solely focused on the insults, and not the substance. Listen to Avi and reflect on the stupidity in your post.

Im guessing they dont want to be labeled as "sci fi" or cooks or lunatics, we have this stigma now a days that anyone who believes in aliens is a conspiracy theorist or a wacko and that is rly sad

"while refusing to collect data" all yes....you have hit it on the head.

What exactly do you mean by "leaders" and refusing to collect data? Are you talking about the Pentagon? They're not saying that they refuse to collect data. They say that they refuse to share the data with scientists. The naivë explanation is because revealing what kind of military capacity you have, would be a bad idea since it would immediately be exploted by enemies. The more cynical explanation is that it's a fake to deter Russia from using it's unstoppable super-weapon against the US.

'Cause it's junk data.

@@robertmiller9735 sho troll sho away

The levee will break my friend.

What was frustrating is watching the UFO community burn down after the posting of one single blurry FAA compliant alien video yesterday. The one time the field had the attention of the scientific and government communities, it was all blown by one huckster that made himself the face of your movement. Don't blame it on anyone but yourselves from now on for this whole thing not being taken seriously.

I had to stop because they get so much wrong you can tell they haven't taken it serious enough for even 5 minutes to do some strong research. "There's no evidence of these things doing instant acceleration or any capabilities we couldn't understand and thats what you would have to see before you jump to maybe aliens". Government: "Instantaneous acceleration, trans-medium travel, Gravity does not seem to effect them and they have no wings or exhaust plumes, they don't cause sonic booms, they travel these same speeds underwater, oh and we've been studying and collecting data on them for 70 years". Him: "Yeah, so anyways like I was saying.....".

@@JohnMichaelGodier what happened yesterday? Could someone elaborate please?

@@JohnMichaelGodier god damn cold blooded

Would you invite infants to an adult party?

How was that speed determined and by what instrument?

@@JohnMichaelGodier radar sweeps at certain intervals. U can work out speed .within the radar sweeps .ie 1st sweep ufo at 1 location. Sweeps 2 say 1 second after sees the ufo at location 2 and so on .basic maths works out the speed 👍

@@JohnMichaelGodier that’s a good question. She didn’t give that info. She pointed out the fighter jet’s speed and then gave the estimate. I’ll find the video and put it here. On another note, I absolutely love your research, interviews, and your presentation. I’m 41 and for as long as I can remember I’ve had a fascination with your subject matter. I lived in a west Texas town where it was church everyday. My grandmother was an outlier and had books about ancient mysteries. I read every single one as a child. Evidently in high school it must’ve got around that I believed in aliens long before it was mainstream. I was asked by a very popular girl (Christian) if I believed in aliens. My response could’ve elicited bullying amongst other things. I responded with the following: If God can create what we have here on Earth then who’s to say that he didn’t continue his creation in other places? Does an artist only use one canvas? I wasn’t nervous in my response as I was resolute in my belief. I must’ve presented it confidently as I was never confronted about it again. Your videos remind me of my grandmother’s openness at a time when most were not. I’m sure many feel the same. Thank you for your work. - Jon

@@JohnMichaelGodier 3:05 to 4:05 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hZyRdbqk2K3Snps.html the Colonel, not captain as I state, lays out the speed. The creator of the video states a speed of 46k per the USS Princeton Radar team and Colonel Andrea Themely’s analysis. If you listen further to about 4:55 they both speak about current speeds and new technology advanced speeds 10x speed of sound. 46kMPH is crazy speed to me.

​@@stevo12378 May we see the data and the design of the "sweeping" radar? I don't want videos, I want the actual data from the instrument so we can figure this out.

Charlie, we need to factor in a few key factors here before jumping to wild conclusions and 'laughing aloud'. Whenever an anomalous sighting is made, or anomalous data is captured on instruments, further investigation / corroboration of data is required before the occurrences can be ruled out as mundane objects / equipment glitches / active interference by other actors, or something else entirely. The report itself states this in very clear terms.

@@razeezar well, of course, as I said

The Pentagon confirmed that the recently leaked green triangle video is of an unidentified object, yet it is blinking lights in compliance with FAA regulation, they just can't be arsed to identify it...

Sobering is the word.

@@faheyplayer Sure. But then you go on to say "the observables in 2021 are similar if not the same as ones in 1947" I am not sure that anyone can postulate this based on what we both agree is a lack of compelling evidence.

Well maybe when the officials call them drones they're being literal they just aren't human drones.

What I find off putting is Corbell's latest video. FAA compliant blurry aliens. In one day the subject went from having serious scientific and government interest which is what everyone's been asking for across decades, to something not worth taking seriously again. Blew it is not even a strong enough term. Shame on the UFO community.

@@JohnMichaelGodier Thanks for your excellent program, John. I agree. I want a serious investigation by some kind of Citizen's Commission composed of leading minds in relevant fields. I never much liked the "UFO Community."

Humans are great at rationalizing.

Exactly. He’s making a false assumption. It appears from the evidence that they want to be seen. They’re making their presence known.

So if we don't see them, they don't exist, but if we do see them, they don't exist. Makes sense.

Wasn't a big fan of this guest speaker.

and also that he drank about 15 cups of coffee before he began this interview

It honestly sounds like youre religious. He has the best take on the UFO events than any other of these UFO hunters who have tons of bias and are getting money over it

no heart 4 me

Cereal bowl ;)

I wholeheartedly agree - it reminds me of how long animal behaviorists have been fighting the idea that animals have significantly better intelligence than we've assumed and simply no way to communicate it with us by entirely dismissing the human capacity to instinctively recognize intelligence as "unscientific anthropomorphizing", despite there being literally no benefit to a crippling fear of overestimating animal intelligence besides making human scientists feel better about their own human intelligence and despite the continuously growing body of evidence that the harsh dichotomy we draw between human and animal intelligence is not nearly as strong as has long been believed.

Why? They are both something people have claimed to see but we have no actual hard evidence of...

@@iraniansuperhacker4382 we are only alien IF we KNOW there is another technological civilization visiting us. It's one thing to claim aliens exist, and we have no proof they actually do, and another entirely to claim aliens are visiting us. All 3 of those claims we have 0 actual hard evidence of. People have been claiming there is such a thing as spirits from the begining of written and oral history, people claim to see them, people claim to have video evidence of them, science claims it's 'possible' the same as aliens... so I really would have to disagree. Possibility is not truth.

@@iraniansuperhacker4382 why is it not impossible? You don't get to make such a claim without evidence of such. Why is the idea of such 'retarded'? Look, I am totally on board with the possibility, but science can not say it is a fact until we have actual hard evidence. End of story man. And even if so how does that prove that aliens are visiting out planet? Cause let's be clear here... The claim isn't just that alien life exists out there, the claim is aliens are visiting our planet.

@@iraniansuperhacker4382 No it's not literally impossible dude, we are looking right now. Then I get to claim Cthulhu exists just because we can not observe the entire universe. Science does not and can not work that way. They never once claimed that we are the only intelligent creatures in the universe. This video and the comment made about aliens and ghosts is in reference to proof of aliens visiting earth, not the possiblity of alien life in the universe.

Right lmao ? UFOs go back so far an obviously there just uneducated on it all. They've been making painting depicting what they've seen in the sky's and the UFO videos that they have out right now are vary much real, the government has even said so

Definitely art in the ancient Egypt and ancient Central America depicting flying machines, with gods piloting them

I know people's of the past had these ideas and /or saw this. I was thinking it was ignorant that it only come about in his life time.

@@richardsuckerson49 The art in ancient Egypt is misunderstood. They are superimposed hieroglyphs

He was talking about when the subject became mainstream.

Brilliant! 😂😂😂😂

Dismisses trained pilots as non data point. Although his entire career is based on observation of sky. Maybe we should dismiss his research as opinion like he does others.

A month after Russia demonstrates its unstoppable super-weapon, the American military shows unverifiable videos of something totally incredible. Can't be deception? Why? They did it once before with the Roswell incident.

Statistically impossible in universe, not so much in our galaxy

If you read their statements like a lawyer or a scientist might read them, you'll see that mostly they're not saying anything. The source (the Pentagon) is well known (and expected) to lie about issues of national security, foreign and domestic military capabilities and everything else.

@@bozo5632 Normally I would agree but this report is for Congress. If they lie, they will be in contempt of Congress and the repercussions would be serious I assume.

@@Hemebean But if you read it like a lawyer, you'll see they didn't lie, even if they did deliberately manufacture false impressions. Or maybe it's true. One in ten million?

Damn could only make it 15 min in. Usually love your stuff. This ain’t it

@@bozo5632 Maybe, but what specifically are saying they could be "lying" about ?

There is a pdf out there that is a collection of all the data, once you read these you realize this is a dod test. Civilian Helo landing on the deck of the Nimitz shortly after the event.. Civilian Helo = Lockheed

100% agree. I really liked this channel, but starting to doubt it because it's so closed minded and biased. Healthy skepticism is important, but this is downright debunking.

Utter nonsense, but feel free to send me 100$ and I'll send you an "I'm an alien nutjob" t-shirt.

The vicious are proven not ufo. Google them in conjunction with Mick west

Wonder how they feel now....

Thank you! Hope they help you rest.

If light (including radio waves -- look up "microwave plasma") is focused on a point, you can heat the air into incandescent plasma. Similar to the ion trail of a meteor, it _will_ light up, it often shows up on radar, and it can "maneuver" at whatever rate the light concentrating device decides to pan. If the focus is tight enough, this only requires on the order of 1000 watts, which is paltry when it comes to beam weapon power.

@@mal2ksc That does not explain the multiple pilot sightings and structures seen emerging in and out of the ocean and said structures interacting with the water's surface. Also don't you think a pilot would witness/track the source of a laser system designed to create the plasma decoy. Source needs to be relatively close as atmospheric diffraction and limitations of lasers require LOS to achieve a plasma decoy system such as those being worked on to spoof missiles.

They wouldnt come and go. Soon after biological life is able to self-improve (humans) it evolves into non-biological life (singularity) and becomes God, permeating the universe. It then has the ability to reincarnate to experience individualism. Life is a playground.

@@goprojoe7449 interesting theory! Sounds like Stargate SG:1 inspired.

I love this theory. Even the possibility of split off civilizations surviving natural disasters. Who ever they are they have underground ocean bases and technology that dwarfs ours

Or we are.

Yes!

Exactly right. What a weird arbitrary point of reference using the roswell crash in 47 as "when we started seeing ufos" there are paintings from Germany in the 1500's!! Also strange that skeptics ignore every single photo/video in existence claiming the evidence is anecdotal.

Those people are gonna eat their words. Just wait and see

Humans have been eating mushrooms and having psychotic episodes for a long damn time.

@@jimgrant4578 You are absolutely correct... but what's your point. Were the pilots who saw and filmed these objects on mushrooms? Was the U.S. government commission on mushrooms when they came out and said that these objects are real, yet we do not know what they are? No, they were not.

It’s interesting just what is focused on. They became POPULARIZED after 1947.

Are you gonna pay for it?

@@jonathansmedley1077 what?

@@jonathansmedley1077 what what in the butt?

@@jonathansmedley1077 you need to stop doing drugs. They're gonna rott you from the inside out and you won't live to reach 40.

@@jonathansmedley1077 take care I'm gonna miss you.

And the outros!

And soon you will be able to buy a membership to download Event Horizon and John's channel as a podcast....plus more.

@@EventHorizonShow I’d buy that for a dollar

aren't we within the Orion arm of the Milky Way?

Isn't the center of the galaxy more active and prone to life-extinguishing events like gamma ray bursts, novas, wandering stars, and acreting systems? Events that could bleach the biosphere in the blink of an eye? Perhaps there's a reason life evolved out here in the stix. 3 or 4 billion years is a LONG time for life to have existed, certainly longer than we have left here on earth. Perhaps there's even a reason the center of the galaxy is so violent. Like maybe Glob is smashing stars together so they disperse the heavy elements an advanced civilization will need to build inter-dimensional travel. Who knows what part of the galaxy a type 2 civ would come from, but one thing is for certain - there is a siren's call to the center of our galaxy. What's going on with that Saggitarious thing anyway?