Maybe check out CharaChorder Lite or CharaChorder X 😁

Lots of people would say the same about learning a musical instrument. That's ok. Personally I often find those massive learning curves kind of fun.

@@batlin Kind of a false equivalence but I understand your point. As I said in the OP some will find it cool and spend the time but most see a keyboard as a tool and need it to be useful out of the box rather than needing weeks and months to figure out how it works and for it to become useable at all.

​@@schrodingerscat1863 when you first start using computers, it takes a long time to become proficient with the standard qwerty keyboard. I once worked with another computer programmer who, even after years in the business, mostly used two fingers to type and looked down at the keyboard the whole time! You're probably right that most people would look at this and go "why would I even need this?", and that's fair. But you don't *have* to fully switch to it all the time. In a similar vein, a year or so ago I started learning Orthic shorthand and found the learning curve quite steep. I use it for very brief notes, but haven't committed to using it all the time even though that might help me improve faster.

​@@schrodingerscat1863 i think most people do see this as a big learning investment but I also do think that people are able to learn a new keyboard layout while still using the old one ;)

Exactly what came into my mind lol Since I'm already comfortable with kana inputs I can guess the keyboard in the video could also eventually be mastered But I don't see why such typing mechanism should precede one another, I believe there would be much effective keyboard forms if such is allowed

I was just about to type this too.

あなたが正しいですよ！

So it's just advanced t9 texting! That is actually pretty cool.

So are the Chinese

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Thanks for the feedback! Most are able to pass average qwerty speed within about a month of practice. If you don't want to relearn how to type, maybe check out CharaChorder Lite or CharaChorder X 😊

Yeah, this is why I don't really switch to Dvorak or anything else. That being said I don't think that this unavoidable for any method, even if you just slightly optimize qwerty by swapping just a few letters its going to be a massive effort to relearn, maybe even worse since you need to unlearn your existing qwerty muscle memory. This would be useful if we could convince newer generations to learn it, those that haven't already learned to type. It also might be worth the effort if you need to be able to type that fast, but I think most professions either already have specialized tools or just don't need to actually type faster than what qwerty currently allows. I do a lot of typing myself, but most of my time is spent thinking what to write next, and even when I didn't know qwerty as well I still didn't spend a ton of time actually typing. I still think research into better typing methods is useful, but I think its going to take a big change for it to catch on.

learning "normal" keyboard layouts is not actually that bad. I learned Workman to be usable for work in a day or two, slow, but I could work. It was even an ergo keyboard with layers. I am not a person with good memory either. I have ADHD and a short term memory that's half of that of an average person. The biggest factor for me was programming my keyboard and knowing where everything is because I put it there myself. I got up to my usual speed in probably a month. And now I'm in a position where I can easily use both Workman-DH and QWERTY without any issue. I use Workman-DH primarily for work cause it helps alleviate RSI, but I still use QWERTY when on a PC I'm likely to be gaming on it rather than working.

@@MrScottyTayi've been in the layout making community for 3 or so years now and i've never heard of workman dh ever before

@@paper2222 it's a variant of workman that puts d and h to below the index rather than to the side of. It proves very useful for me as a software dev with ulnar nerve issues.

Fluidity is key!

Like so many things, speed comes from accuracy. “Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast”

Yes, it will certainly be possible to develop a flat version

As if keyboards were the bottleneck for code writing speed 😅.

You can customize the character mapping to your needs. So yes, it can do it all

There are about 3 vigintillion possible button combinations so I don’t think you’ll be limited by the characters the keyboard can type

@@CP200S it's only the limit for the boring parts, which is like 80% in some projects 😄 So fast typing makes the boring parts faster to complete :)

@@CP200Stheres a difference between something slowing you down vs making whatever you're doing outright impossible

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Thank you so much for your support! And absolutely yes, gaming demos are coming soon :)

Thank you, cheers!

he was saying that they only went up and down, not that they were electronic

@@spark9189 well, they were analogic, unlike digital switched. Meaning you could relate the strength of the keystroke...a little

There's some really interesting ergonomic studies in DataHand that we learned a ton from in the development process

​@@CharaChorderI would appreciate an in-depth comparison to DataHand.

More feature demos coming soon ;) Thank you for the feedback. That distance is larger on M4G than CC1 so hopefully it will work well for you!

Petition to make M4G primary interface for all SpaceX/NASA vehicles? 🖐️

@@CharaChorder For sure they could turn this into a handheld controller that doesn't need to be fixed in place, I think the user experience and efficiency would be great compared to typing on a keyboard in zero gravity🤓

@@CharaChorder this is light years ahead of where I started looking at different keyboards for efficiency; the FrogPad chording keypad ... this is a complete paradigm shift; as chorded keypads can be a pain with their dictionaries and there arent many for my profession and use writing adacemic papers etc in Psychology. This has re-sparked the interest, thank you

@@schmackofatzer82 : Absolutely this! I have a vision of something in a roughly spherical shape with the CharaChorder sticks. Just pick up the "keyball" and type away. Let it float around the cabin, or stick it to the wall somewhere, or to your person, and you're ready to "input" any time! With intelligent bluetooth connections (the device senses which computer you want to interface with and is already connected to that computer by the time you start typing), and you have the ideal multi-input device!

In Star Trek, nobody types. They talk with the computer.

I've absolutely used this in a hoodie pocket before and it's wonderful haha

New gaming demo incoming soon! It's really great for MMOs. It also comes with a reference guide for when you are still learning the layout ;)

I made a video on it at some point. There's something truly awesome about controlling a spaceship armada, literally without lifting a finger 😂

We created CharaChorder Engine so anyone can build their own custom version. Check out our daily update series which started in January to see what switches were tested and used as a part of the development process!

I already have, it's super fun. There's a video on our page somewhere. When you chord it's a shotgun and character entry is machine gun haha

It's very different from steno. Check out the 'brief history of chording video' to learn more. Also just posted a new gaming video!

​@@CharaChorder What difference are you focusing on to say they are dissimilar? From the outside, it seems like yes the court one isn't universally usable by a normal consumer, but the similarities I was pointing out are the fact that both use chording. IMO that similarity is larger and more salient than the different workflows and applications - essentially it seems like they both achieve the same task with very similar means.

@@CharaChorder it uses a small amount of inputs to create a massive amount of possible results, allowing you to type fast without having good dexterity and fine motor skills. in what way is that unlike a stenotype

All CCOS powered devices are layout agnostic, and chord libraries are transferrable between devices with different layouts. So short answer is yes, but a chord library built for a specific layout may not be optimal when used with another, at least not at first

A chord is a group of keys hit simultaneously to produce a preset common letter grouping or word. Stenography is the thing to search if you want to see a more in-depth example, it's used heavily in that field. Presumably, many common keys on a keyboard could be made into dedicated chords if desired, and considering there appear to be a minimum of 80 potential individual "keys" on this device (and that is a naive count, there may be more I haven't spotted), I figure they already cover a lot of ground.

@@Woodledude So instead of just hitting a single key for a bracket or something you have to do a key combination?

@@heckyes As I said before, I suspect most typical keys on a keyboard are represented by a single "key" on this device. I will point out, though - The parentheses and curly brackets already require shift to be pressed to access on a typical keyboard. Key combinations are already a standard part of keyboard use - Chording just takes that an extra step. As pointed out in the video, chording is largely used to assemble small or common words and phrases with fewer keystrokes. So it can be thought of as a kind of key combination, dedicated primarily to reducing keystrokes.

@@Woodledude Cheers! TY

Thank you!!

Yes to special characters & gaming! Just posted a gaming demo

The other aspect is touch screen typing. How would we have 3d typing on 2d touch screens/ not updating screens but then everyone needs to memorize two different typing layouts or have the touch screen ultimately reinforce poor typing habits... Not hating, but questions to be asked

Just posted a gaming video!

@@CharaChorder awesome!!! Just started watching it. Don’t know why I didn’t think of remapping lol. Once this thing releases i’m saving up.

Ooo wait until you see the ergo Bolt-Ons in action. Maybe next week's video?

OK, you've got my attention.

I think the world could eventually. Like, after learning to use it I wish I would've had CharaChorder lessons in school instead of keyboarding lessons 😂

We have created our own custom OS for peripheral devices called CCOS, and it can be used to build custom devices via the CharaChorder Engine chip module which can be built upon via serial API (documentation at docs.charachorder.com)

@@CharaChorder Did you mean to respond to someone else? I don't think you addressed any of my points: 1. What about bluetooth? 1a. If nothing is planned, why not look into ZMK firmware, which supports bluetooth out of the box. 2. Could the functionality be modeled using ZMK firmware? 2a. if not, what is the missing functionality in ZMK for it to support CharaChorder. 3. Supporting ZMK could bring more users to your hardware.

@@thp4983 : I think you might be right, but it's possible he was saying that you can build a keyboard with ZMK around the CharaChorder engine. My main difficulty with something like that is all of the other mechanical difficulties (pcbs, switches, case, etc) that would be needed for a project like that. I agree with you that CharaChorder building a wireless product based on ZMK would be much better.

-Easier to learn than qwerty (also qwerty options available -There's a one handed typing mode -It's great for gaming as well! Less travel distance means faster reaction time 🤩

​@@CharaChorder I do like the idea of these new keyboard types and I often try/review keyboards for friends when something interesting comes out; however, I have some concerns with your reply and a few questions: Quick note before you read this: I have only seen this one video. So, I am an ill-informed average skeptical developer with questions. Save yourself time and skip my comment if you're busy. That said... I would have to respectfully disagree with the "easier to learn" line. If you know English, you can type on a QWERTY keyboard without any training--at all. Maybe the MF1 is labeled, so you could do the same... But is it more intuitive to a new buyer than simply pressing the button they want on an easy-to-read flat plain-text layout? Probably not. I think you could claim that your keyboard is faster and easier to type with after only X hours of learning (say, 8 to 14 hours, full immersion)--that, I could get behind. I would want to know what your typing speed is? I'm at about 100~120 on my QWERTY, but I'm not partial to it, if something is just flat-out better. I would also assume you need to properly utilize function keys to altar basic keystrokes, which would add another layer of complexity. And maybe you have Ai built into the logic to auto-correct simple mistakes (similar to swipe input on smartphones), would that logic fail on weird strings like "34&vbASW2"? From a developer's perspective, that would be a huge deal-breaker. Then you have one-offs, like: -Can I be lazy and lean back in my chair, then type a few things with one hand while browsing YT or responding a simple slack message? -Can my wife instantly type on it without training, even after I've set it up for myself, if she needs to use my computer for some reason? -Can I search through folders via a few letters and click enter, like a power-user, rather than using the scroll wheel? I can do that with one hand atm, so my mouse if free. -What about complex shortcuts and inputs? All my OS and IDE shortcuts need to be usable. -How long does it last with heavy use? A few of the keyboards I've built have lasted about 3~5 years. Do the sticks wear-out? Can I find easy replacements for parts? Software updates/interface? Macros?

Yes, it's great for VR/AR

Look up "5-way tactile switch" easy to build your own with CharaChorder Engine! Let us know how we can help

Yes

Lol! The difference between this and analog sticks is shown near the beginning 😊

these switches are rated at 20 million cycles, and are also user serviceable

Ya I've made a video on this somewhere. They still sell for thousands when they go up on eBay. Some of the ergonomic studies they did really helped pave the way for us

Gahhh!!! Just wait until they see what Derrk is cookin... 😁

Not shipping yet! This is the first ever demo, and now we are just starting manufacturing. Thank you so much for your support and patience! 🙇‍♂️

@@CharaChorder So when are you planning on shipping? (I'm just really excited to get mine ^^)

There's a time and place for everything! Both VTT and keyboard usage are both dramatically on the rise 🙌

If you're afraid of new keyboard layouts maybe check out CharaChorder Lite :)

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Full comparison coming soon!

@@CharaChorder Sounds good 👍

We changed the goal to 75k given that most people preordering have wanted this product. The website is pretty out of date, will be updating really soon here with Kickstarter launch

Just like everyone has a distinct handwriting, with this device everyone has a distinct signature. Check out our video on text entanglement

Yes, you can type special characters and gibberish no problem

Ya, website is way out of date. Major updates coming soon

@@CharaChorder Well shit, I'm now even more sold on the Master's Forge =P I heard/read something about any who make a purchase while it's at the ~$300 pre-order price will get some bonuses, but also something about before a certain date. What matters to me: if I put in my pre-order before June (will happen regardless), will that make me special?

Your cousin sounds like a smart guy

there's a one handed typing mode available by default

I think that one is digikey

Thanks!

My mom can already type 80wpm on it lol

I actually kinda miss texting on a keypad. I could do it without even looking at the screen

Absolutely! We'll have to make one very soon. I've posted some tiktoks demoing coding on CC1 if that interests you

It's BS. Code completion is unbeatably fast and if you code at the speed of thought you are not coding properly.

@@Rollmops94 Code completion quality depends on the IDE and quality of the language server plugin, which not every langauge has. The second statement doesn't make any sense?!? You can know what you want to code and write it really fast.

@@Rollmops94 Weird gatekeep on coding. Do you purposely code slowly so you can look like you are doing it correctly?

​@@michiman6757 I think his point is that coding is 80:20 debugging to actually writing new code, so the increased typing speed is rendered null.

Absolutely it is, gaming demo coming soon

It is possible to type both Spanish and Japanese with an IME. We have made demo videos showing both. To talk with other international users join our discord!

Great points, that is why we make products like CCX, CCL, and CharaChorder Engine. There's no reason why this technology cannot be built into every keyboard and laptop!

@@CharaChorderhaving taken a look, it seems the really unique aspect of this input mechanism (the tactile multiple direction inputs), is only available on the one, the rest of the products implement chording, which while useful, isn’t something that can’t be done in software. The One is a very neat piece of kit though

Yes, in addition to what's shown here it can of course do everything a stenograph can as well

This. The product will never replace traditional keyboard. It's extremely good at one task and will be useful for some people most of the time, but software develop around hardware, and the current keyboard form factor has been integrated in so many tasks that it's impossible to just replace it with a new device altogether. I still love the innovation and the project looks genuinely cool.

According to their post above, you can manage Blender shortcuts entirely with one hand. Not sure if that's accurate or not, but that would be really nice.

There's a one handed typing mode so you can access all hot keys without lifting your hand off the mouse. It is absolutely GOATED for cad work

Stay tuned for gaming demos soon 😁

Really what this means is we need a new interface to replace the dated MOUSE as well as the keyboard