4WD All Season vs 2WD Winter Tires - Do you need winter tires if you have AWD?

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3 жыл бұрын

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Do you need winter tires if you have an AWD (all wheel drive) / 4WD (4x4 four wheel drive) system and good american all season tires?
To find out, I test a 2wd pickup truck with winter tires, against the same truck with 4wd engaged and all season tires.
The tests in the video include acceleration and braking on snow, a snow hill climb and the important snow handling test to see whether AWD and all season tires can beat winter tires with RWD.
Note, I know I use 4x4 and AWD interchangeably in the video.
Winter tires are sometimes called snow tires.
The tires used in this video are the excellent General Grabber Arctic and General Grabber HTS60.
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@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
This is the start of a LOT of winter content coming, so make sure you've subscribed and hit that bell icon if you haven't already. It should be a new video every few weeks until December 🥳
@olaf9198
@olaf9198 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah! IT is great that you do stuff we as subscribers ask! Since IT does make a difference, i like every video when the content is good (do every video with you :p)
@nikolaystoykov9413
@nikolaystoykov9413 3 жыл бұрын
Good stuff. Maybe do a snow/ wet performance comparison on the same make and model tyre, but with different tyre widths ( narrow vs normal vs wide). Also would LOVE to see a AT tyre snow/ wet performance test. ( maybe AT vs MT vs winter vs all season street).
@Paul-pj5qu
@Paul-pj5qu 3 жыл бұрын
I really like these winter tire videos, very helpful. BI an hoping you will have some content that applies to climates and locations (I thing it would be mostly b large urban centres) where there is only occasional big snow falls, but mostly with temperatures between -8 to +5, with the roads salted (meaning roads are mostly either wet or clear and dry, not icy or snow packed). What is safer all seasons (which I assume will have better wet and dry breaking than snows) or snows, especially if you have all wheel drive. I know this is very specific, but increasingly in the northern US and southern Canada (I live in Toronto) these are the types of conditions faced. I have come to the conclusion that overall, all seasons are safer than snows more often than not in these mixed conditions. Cheers, it is a great service you provide!
@NN-rd3mk
@NN-rd3mk 3 жыл бұрын
All seasons/winter tires are obsolete for most people. All weather tires are suitable for most people in the snow. Better than some winter tires in snow and ice and can be left on all year. Far cheaper since no ugly rims, storage or changing twice a year. They qualify as a winter tire where it's required. Nokian WR G4 or Toyo Celsius. All seasons are obsolete now. Why would you put a tire on that's terrible in the snow so only really 3 seasons? Winter tires are also obsolete for most people. All weathers are rated to last 100K km and there is no noise like many winter tires.. Once OEMs put all weathers on new cars and people find out they are fantastic in the snow and ice most people won't bother with winter tires. Search KZfaq for "Tip of the Week: All Weather Tires". Search KZfaq for "New All-Weather Tires Outperform Some Snow Tires | Consumer Reports"
@rondhole
@rondhole 3 жыл бұрын
This it's exactly why American only buy all season tires in 90% case. All season is last much longer, grip well in summer and decent in winter. Only European are really finicky about changing to summer and winter. It's only relevant for people who drive in track or 300 kmh in summer with summer tires.
@jackiejorpjomp
@jackiejorpjomp 3 жыл бұрын
Awd is good for acceleration. Winter tires are good for turning and braking, which is more important for safety.
@josefavi2539
@josefavi2539 3 жыл бұрын
I agree. Also I think there is so much difference in the acceleration because the pick up has no weight on the rear axle.
@neilmurphy845
@neilmurphy845 3 жыл бұрын
The only problem is that only a mouth or 2 or like hear in Ireland where I live it very rarely snows so it's very tricky which tire do I buy
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely
@richardsmith5249
@richardsmith5249 3 жыл бұрын
@@neilmurphy845 I'm dealing with pretty much the same situation in Scotland here, although we do get more snow. I go for an all season tyre that's good in the wet, with snow performance a secondary consideration.
@neilmurphy845
@neilmurphy845 3 жыл бұрын
@@richardsmith5249 ya that's the only thing you can do I guess or have separate rims for the winter and summer
@johnhufnagel
@johnhufnagel 3 жыл бұрын
You've demonstrated something that, sadly, most Americans refuse to recognize: 4WD is GREAT for improving the GO in the snow, but HORRID for improving the WHOA. Soooooo many people drive WAY TOO FAST in the snow in their 4WD/AWD SUVs around here, and ditch (bin) them constantly because of it. NEVER DRIVE FASTER THAN YOU CAN STOP! That's a rule people just don't remember any longer.
@wildbill23c
@wildbill23c 3 жыл бұрын
Here in Idaho most of the vehicles you find in the ditches are 4WD and AWD vehicles for sure....and tires have nothing to do with those issues its 100% driver stupidity....it wouldn't matter in their case what tires they had, they plain just have no clue how to drive, they feel the 4WD or AWD system makes them invincible. The FWD cars, vans, etc. all just drive right on my all those ditched 4x4's and AWD's LOL.
@montypizzle5780
@montypizzle5780 3 жыл бұрын
Indeed. They also don't understand the concept of tapping brakes. It really doesn't matter what you drive, just how you drive it. RWD is great in the snow, and very fun if you know how to have fun with it safely. The only time I almost got into an accident was when someone in a Jeep patriot nearly rear ended me when it was snowing lol.
@ilikerealflight
@ilikerealflight 3 жыл бұрын
Felt that the other day when I caught with my pants down and drove home on ice with my old worn AT's (last drive for those tires, replacing next year). Had traction control turned off, main roads were salted so I was fine in 2WD, I then turned off the main road onto a side road. Touched the gas in second and just about spun out. Regained myself, straightend out and tried again. Almost spun again. Seeing no-one was a round (2:30 am), I decided to test the braking. Was shocked how poorly it reacted, don't think I've ever felt my abs kick in like that before (second winter with truck). Swapped to 4WD, acceleration felt like a whole new vehicle, but braking was still tragic. Swapped on my Hakkpelitta R3's the next day
@Beary98
@Beary98 3 жыл бұрын
@@wildbill23c I lived 13 miles off the highway on a winding, hilly road for a long time up around sandpoint here. Constantly stuck behind subarus, suvs and bug trucks on shitty tires.... I drove a 2000 ford taurus at the time then later 98 grand prix, on blizzaks both were damn near unstoppable. Anywhere i couldn't go forward, I could go backward :p!
@JackOfHearts42
@JackOfHearts42 3 жыл бұрын
Here in Canada, i drive in the county to work. It's always SUVs and trucks in the ditch i see, very rarely cars. I think it's totally and overconfidence thing, and all-season tires probably.
@Insert_Coin_Here
@Insert_Coin_Here 3 жыл бұрын
Of course you need winter tires for awd. Awd is only helping for the starting movement. Still need to steer and brakes which so much safer with proper winter tires.
@ecospider5
@ecospider5 3 жыл бұрын
If you want to go fast get all wheel drive. If you want to get there safe get winter tires. If you want to get there fast and safe get both.
@dazdbog1063
@dazdbog1063 3 жыл бұрын
What about 2wd + all season tires?
@Xanthopteryx
@Xanthopteryx 3 жыл бұрын
The only difference between AWD and 2WD is that you get further out in the terrain with AWD (a known saying for all the tow people during winter).
@gogmorgoaway
@gogmorgoaway 3 жыл бұрын
@@Xanthopteryx Yup. 4x4 just gets you twice as stuck.
@snapdragogon69
@snapdragogon69 3 жыл бұрын
Don't forget, proper 4x4 (probably not the modern garbage) also helps when decelerating not just accelerating. e.g. a RWD will oversteer when you lift off and a 4x4 will not.
@xman21196
@xman21196 3 жыл бұрын
I’d love to see a FWD vs AWD with all season and winter tires
@baohoaily
@baohoaily 3 жыл бұрын
For parity vs the previous video, absolutely.
@upstandingkam
@upstandingkam 3 жыл бұрын
Yea that’s what they should’ve done
@LTVoyager
@LTVoyager 3 жыл бұрын
It would be much closer, but I still put my money on AWD/4WD, particularly if you have a locking rear diff as I have in my pickup.
@scottwhitley3392
@scottwhitley3392 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah RWD in a pickup that has absolutely no weight over the rear axle is useless in the snow.
@Ichibuns
@Ichibuns 2 жыл бұрын
That's tough to test. There is a huge difference in how each AWD system works. A few barely work at all. Others work extremely well. I think we need to test different AWD systems first
@youtubeviewer2919
@youtubeviewer2919 3 жыл бұрын
Have no snow in my country.. but I’m still watching this
@neilmurphy845
@neilmurphy845 3 жыл бұрын
Me to
@glenpearce3883
@glenpearce3883 3 жыл бұрын
No snow? How boring. Come play in the snow somewhere soon, it’s a blast.
@montypizzle5780
@montypizzle5780 3 жыл бұрын
@@glenpearce3883 Especially if you have a Crown Vic to do some Norwegian style drifting hehe.
@SPACEMIKEB
@SPACEMIKEB 3 жыл бұрын
I live in Florida and really like watching this.
@Northbound_I95
@Northbound_I95 4 ай бұрын
​Yo yo 😎 @@iknowbinary
@2007MXV
@2007MXV 3 жыл бұрын
Everytime it snows here, the first vehicles in the ditch (either buried to the axles, on their sides, or upside-down) are 4WD pickups.
@wildbill23c
@wildbill23c 3 жыл бұрын
4x4's and AWD's every snowstorm are the ones you find in the ditches in Idaho. They think that 4x4 or AWD makes them invincible....tires don't matter when you have a moron driving. I love my snow tires, Blizacks this year again. Never any problems regardless which vehicle I drive.
@iamrambo99
@iamrambo99 3 жыл бұрын
It's because of all that big dick energy, they drive too fast
@johngaudet6316
@johngaudet6316 3 жыл бұрын
Because to heavy to turn and stop safely and the rear to light. Small cars with winter tires much safer.
@car24dude
@car24dude 3 жыл бұрын
That’s because they think they own the road.
@johnrustad8540
@johnrustad8540 3 жыл бұрын
Its cuz they leave it in 2wd all the time
@NJRD977
@NJRD977 3 жыл бұрын
The point about cornering and braking is absolutely key - near me there is a long steep gently curving main road and every time we get the English 2 days of snow, you will see stranded big 4X4s on 'all season' tyres where their owners have discovered that their 4x4 can start but gravity and compacted snow decides their direction of travel and when they get to stop
@Snadzies
@Snadzies 3 жыл бұрын
There was a 2 year period where I had an AWD WRX with all season tires and my mom had a FWD Saturn with snow tires and if I had to choose which one I wanted to drive in some ugly winter weather it would be that FWD Saturn with snow tires. The WRX could get going fine but braking and cornering got rather sketchy at times where as the Saturn felt completely stable and in control.
@nothinglike1586
@nothinglike1586 3 жыл бұрын
Going out on a limb: FWD with winter tires on this pickup truck with all the weight in the front (or RWD with a weighted down/full truck bed) would have outperformed the AWD all-seasons.
@perakojot6524
@perakojot6524 3 жыл бұрын
It depends a lot on type of A/S tyres. American A/S tyres are usually more winter tyre oriented than European A/S tyres.
@sdrubaa
@sdrubaa 3 жыл бұрын
@@perakojot6524 i use european all season tyres and have no problem on snowy conditions. Currently living at Auvergne in France at 950m altitude with snowy roads between December and March. Can actually say i prefer my all season's to the blizzak's lm001 i had before.
@michaelluttmer2486
@michaelluttmer2486 3 жыл бұрын
When I owned an 04 STI and snow crossed that car on some Toyo All Seasons (stupid because I was 24), that was SO much fun because of the controllable slip Jonathan enjoyed in the truck. That car could anywhere, even on low profile all seasons, never realized how close I was from getting stuck until I got snow tires on the car and was like..Oh My.
@goaliedude32
@goaliedude32 3 жыл бұрын
I put a set of good winter tires on my stock rims for my 5 speed impreza and bought aftermarket rims that had my nice summer tires on them. absolutely worth it to switch to winter tires when there's decent snow planned
@sergioserramusic
@sergioserramusic 3 жыл бұрын
This channel should have 10 times the subscribers, its content is on point!
@squangan
@squangan Жыл бұрын
In North America’s far north I had always driven full size 4x4 pickups with good all season tires on them year around because those were the tires available to us at the time.When dedicated winter tires starting gaining in popularity I was firmly in the ‘who needs winter tires’ camp. Finally about 10 years ago more out of curiosity than anything I finally put a set of winter tires on my truck of the time and was quite shocked at how much better the truck handled. I no longer had to subconsciously gauge sliding and drifting distances from experience while driving as the vehicle mostly started, stopped, and steered just like it did in the summer. I haven’t gone back to all seasons in winter since then.
@chrisjxn
@chrisjxn 3 жыл бұрын
I love your channel and this is a test I've been waiting for. I would have really liked to have seen more on turning and braking (including things like "winter tires + 2WD stopped x feet / meters sooner than all-season tires + 4WD"). This video confirmed what a lot of us already intuitively understood: AWD provides a traction advantage under acceleration that is far greater than the advantage provided by winter tires. The vast majority of Americans -- even those who live in winter climates -- don't seem to understand that AWD does nothing to help you stop or turn and they feel like AWD is all that's needed for driving in the snow. I live close to Alta, Snowbird, Brighton, and Solitude in Utah. We have a traction law in the canyons leading to these ski areas that requires (a) AWD and M+S (i.e. all-season) tires or (b) 2WD and three-peak mountain snowflake (i.e. winter) tires. Seems like a miss to me, but I guess by the time these vehicles are coming down (when tires are way more important than AWD), the roads are pretty clear and plows are doing their thing...
@EthanWainland
@EthanWainland 3 жыл бұрын
Finally! The test I've been waiting for!
@mieszkooracz7370
@mieszkooracz7370 3 жыл бұрын
This was cool! You can't even imagine how many questions you have answered!
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it :)
@darrenbaker2955
@darrenbaker2955 3 жыл бұрын
I've been looking for a video like this. Every video is 4wd summer vs 2wd winter so it's good to see this comparison. Great vid, looking forward to your upcoming content!
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@AnthonyJ350
@AnthonyJ350 3 жыл бұрын
Great video and demonstration! I run General Tire G-Max on my 350Z and Grabber ATXs on my Silverado and I do notice in the rain both vehicles have a good amount of grip. I think when it comes to compound and siping General Tire really knows what they're doing and probably why those all season tires did pretty good. I would still prefer to run a dedicated winter as I tried the ATXs in the winter last year and even with the snow flake rating, they don't feel as sure footed as a winter tire does when braking and cornering as explained in the video.
@alltheboost801
@alltheboost801 3 жыл бұрын
As always, great content and we appreciate all your hard work that goes into making these videos
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoy it!
@TranceFur
@TranceFur 3 жыл бұрын
Great demonstration. Makes sense, because my VW R32 on A/S tires always was surprisingly effective on snow.
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
I bet that's good fun!
@GMCGUY-
@GMCGUY- 8 ай бұрын
Because of you I bought the right tires because of your videos about a year ago thanks man you save me a big Headache and you save me money from not buying the wrong tires
@evansisgreat
@evansisgreat 3 жыл бұрын
Really interesting stuff as usual. Not entirely what I expected either, I guess that's why you do these things! Food for thought after the all season comparison you did.
@maciejsuchecki7653
@maciejsuchecki7653 3 жыл бұрын
It's not fair for winters, with all that weight over front axle. Something like 3 series estate rear driven vs xdrive would give us more idea about differences, I reckon.
@GravelGuerrilla
@GravelGuerrilla 3 жыл бұрын
Americans don't drive wagons. I'd like to see a limited slip rear. Not so dependent on traction control
@JulitoPapitoo
@JulitoPapitoo 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure a similar test has been done on this channel last year or the year before.
@tommy4862
@tommy4862 3 жыл бұрын
That is true, but I think this test is relevant for US market where people actually drive these pick up trucks.
@kristiaan1
@kristiaan1 3 жыл бұрын
or some bricks in the back
@myslecinaczej8674
@myslecinaczej8674 3 жыл бұрын
But then it would not be relevant for so many front driven estates with AWD option (e.g. Audi, Volvo ). It was a great back to back test. And AWD rules! With good tires. 😁
@matthewmosca3984
@matthewmosca3984 3 жыл бұрын
Great comparison! Once you drive through a nasty winter storm on ice all you’ll ever want is 4WD/AWD with winter tires. Trucks are great but transfer case binding and low weight on rear tires make them tricky. Still drive one though!
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
Great point!
@Xanthopteryx
@Xanthopteryx 3 жыл бұрын
Studded, Nordic winter tires. Those are the best. In the world!
@baneblade48
@baneblade48 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thanks for the vid! I've been on the lookout for this since the H/T vs A/T vs M/T video. I'm proud to say I have the HTS60s on my 2014 Sierra 4x4 for the Canadian winter.
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
Great choice :D
@ozgurunaldi
@ozgurunaldi 2 жыл бұрын
So, you decided to wear properly for winter this time! :) Love your comparisons, thanks a lot!
@theroyalcrownedtiger2946
@theroyalcrownedtiger2946 3 жыл бұрын
My early 90's Cavalier does surprisingly well, even in deep snow, with set of 4 winter tires on it.
@iamthecheese2737
@iamthecheese2737 3 жыл бұрын
That's really most fwd "small" cars of that size. Cavaliers, Neons, Focus etc, (Step up from compact). They were lighter, but what weight there was was almost 75% on the front. Where all the "get going" and "stopping" components are.
@ProjectExMachina
@ProjectExMachina 3 жыл бұрын
"Editing magic"
@tehblizz
@tehblizz 3 жыл бұрын
lol
@M.TTT.
@M.TTT. 3 жыл бұрын
uh yeah?
@Bournefort
@Bournefort 3 жыл бұрын
That was a cool drone shot. I was surprised that the DJI drone was able to stay in the exact same spot for both runs.
@ProjectExMachina
@ProjectExMachina 3 жыл бұрын
@@Bournefort it prolly didn't thus editing magic
@Cylisar
@Cylisar 7 ай бұрын
Love this video! For a couple of reasons... Good question asked, european pickup, thorough tests... but I do enjoy Most Tyre Reviews films... Well it is nice to see someone is also enthousiastic about tires. Cheers to the entire TR team
@volodymyrzakolodyazhny7740
@volodymyrzakolodyazhny7740 3 жыл бұрын
That is a test I wanted and waited for long time!
@abyssalguy
@abyssalguy 3 жыл бұрын
Conclusion : rear 2 wheels drive is shit on snow when the engine is in the front.
@jonup321
@jonup321 3 жыл бұрын
In shit to drive vehicle like pickups and SUVs
@dumahim
@dumahim 3 жыл бұрын
Seems like a shit test vehicle and shit driving. He seems to be trying to take off too quickly so the tires are spinning to much. "Deep snow" looks like 3 inches. We just had 8 drop today and they're not going to plow because it might melt in a couple days. I've been in similar snow with my fwd car and winter tires and was pulling away from awd SUVs with their tires spinning. Rear lightness aside, I can't imagine a truck with good winter tires getting stuck in that.
@Hans_Holt
@Hans_Holt 3 жыл бұрын
Hmm can’t follow you conclusion. As a BMW driver, I’ve always a lot of fun, when it snows... DSC Off ;)
@wildbill23c
@wildbill23c 3 жыл бұрын
My 84 Ford Ranger 4x2 did just fine in snow, managed through 18" of snow without chains only weight on the bed was a camper shell which provided plenty of weight to keep the truck moving. Chained up once in 22" of snow to get my 14' travel trailer about 3 feet up a steep driveway. That truck did great still miss that little pickup, although I have a somewhat close replacement, without the camper shell and a 7 foot bed VS the 6 foot bed on my 84 Ranger my current 87 Ranger does quite well also and more fun to drive as my current Ranger is a manual transmission equipped truck. Nice thing with my 84 Ranger was the automatic transmission design allowed you to manually select 2nd gear and it would remain in 2nd gear, worked great for taking off in low traction conditions.
@stinkycheese804
@stinkycheese804 3 жыл бұрын
No, RWD is inferior no matter where the engine is. Extra weight for traction still does not matter as much as having the front pulling the vehicle rather than the rear pushing it, having traction in the direction you are steering too.
@william_hartman
@william_hartman 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! I think this helps prove that unless you live in a place where snow is covering the roads for multiple months of the year (as in not plowed or melted quickly), a 4wd vehicle with good all season tires is more than adequate to keep you safe and in control.
@ms-jl6dl
@ms-jl6dl 3 жыл бұрын
How about "all weather" tyres instead?
@frank3722
@frank3722 3 жыл бұрын
This only shows the affect of weight bias. There was no weight on the rear wheels so of course they will behave poorly
@clintsmitheman6512
@clintsmitheman6512 3 жыл бұрын
4x4 with all season tires okay as long as you're only driving on flats and in light powdery snow. I live in the Central Sierra of California . . . . difference between the "Flat Landers" who drive up the hill to ski on weekends and the locals are the difference in tires. Flat Landers drive with All Seasons and they are the ones always sliding off the road when the conditions get challenging regardless of vehicle or drive. The locals that put on their snow tires (and also know you have to drive slower and use the engine not the brakes to slow down) and the ones plowing ahead through a foot of fresh in a 2wd.
@clintsmitheman6512
@clintsmitheman6512 3 жыл бұрын
@@ms-jl6dl "All Weather" - a little better than "All Season", not as good as a dedicated winter tire . . . as far as snow and ice traction. Personal experience.
@RCproject18
@RCproject18 3 жыл бұрын
That's a good test and I'm not surprised that the 4x4 system on all seasons gave better acceleration. A test that is like to see is a fwd car on winter tires vs an AWD car on all season. I have winter tires on my fwd car and I've never driven a car with that much grip in the snow.
@SkyboundMar
@SkyboundMar 3 жыл бұрын
Your videos are just so relaxing and informative. I can watch all day!
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them!
@ColinMill1
@ColinMill1 3 жыл бұрын
For me, living in the High Peak of the UK and doing a modest 3k miles/year good all-season tyres on a Subaru with the backup of carrying a full set of chains and a shovel is the solution. I think the marginal benefit of the winter tyre has to be measured against their (generally) inferior performance outside of snow/ice conditions especially as wet conditions are so much more prevalent in most of the UK. As you demonstrated you are not reliant on keeping up momentum with the AWD + All-season combination so can take it easy and compensate for the slightly lower stopping and cornering performance of the all-season vs the winter tyre for the small proportion of the time we are driving on snow and ice.I should say that people outside the UK tend to laugh at our winter conditions but when we get a decent fall of snow followed by a few days of partial thaw and re-freeze we get the snow packing down and forming a polished ice surface that would not disgrace a skating rink. This is the point at which the people with summer tyres start to form Torvil & Dean appreciation meetings in the bottom of all the dips on untreated roads. Perhaps countries that insist on 3PMSF-rated tyres in winter have it right, at least for parts of the UK.
@BiggMo
@BiggMo 3 жыл бұрын
This test is relevant for us here in the NW US. Thank you
@javabeanz8549
@javabeanz8549 3 жыл бұрын
places like Redding and Portland can be quite entertaining in a snow storm, if you can find a safe place to watch the roads from.
@BiggMo
@BiggMo 3 жыл бұрын
I grew up in Portland OR. Snow there is usually barley frozen and as a result cars quickly polish it to an ice. The colder snow like up at Mt. Hood or Eastern Oregon is actually easier to drive in.
@MarthaMansbridge
@MarthaMansbridge 3 жыл бұрын
Already bought Hancook for one of our cars based on your videos, having had a puncture on a fairly new, summer tyre, and having recently moved to the Moors in Northern England (where steep hills, wet weather and snow is pretty much guaranteed from about now until March, I had a choice to either replace the £150 SUV Summer tyre or swap them all for all-season - I went for Hancook Kinergy because they were top 3/4 for all tests rather than excellent in one and terrible in others. Your videos are exceptional, so well explained, detailed and dare I say, geeky! - there are no others like them. Huge thanks and congratulations on your channel, bit of a google of you and your channel - massively impressed with your story and your hard work on the website and the channel! really appreciate the effort!
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the kind words :)
@GrnXnham
@GrnXnham 3 жыл бұрын
I find this interesting because there is another video on youtube showing that a front wheel drive sedan vs an all wheel drive sedan using winter vs all-season tires is a totally different animal than a rear wheel drive pickup. With their light rear end, pickups simply need 4WD much more than a front wheel drive sedan does to do well in the snow. The other video showed that a 2WD sedan with winter tires did better in the snow than an AWD sedan with All season tires. Not so with the pickup but not a surprise given that with a sedan much of the weight is up front with a front wheel drive. Still it's awesome to see someone test this. Thank you for this.
@procerator
@procerator 3 жыл бұрын
I am waiting for this year`s "Best 2020 winter tyres" video :)
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
I'm working on it :)
@reinulf656
@reinulf656 3 жыл бұрын
@@tyrereviews yayyyy :)
@LawrenceAbramoff
@LawrenceAbramoff 3 жыл бұрын
When you are watching a video with zero relevance to you because you like the channel.
@kevincraftsbcs4488
@kevincraftsbcs4488 3 жыл бұрын
Splendid test! My new favorite channel.
@battlement
@battlement 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing these winter tests. Extremely helpful!
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them!
@leeku7768
@leeku7768 3 жыл бұрын
Really really interesting results. I always assumed that a 2WD in winter tyres would destroy a comparable AWD with all seasons. I’ll be keeping the Audi S3 with the Michelin cross climates for the feb ski runs! Cheers mate. Excellent video as always.
@vilkku792
@vilkku792 3 жыл бұрын
That pickup had a pretty light back so there wasn't much traction. A FWD front engine car would probably do much better. I drive a bmw and while it's fun, the RWD is definitely a disadvantage in acceleration in winter.
@Xanthopteryx
@Xanthopteryx 3 жыл бұрын
Depends on the type of tires. Studded Nordic winter tires are the best ones. Especially on ice, the all seasons stands no chance.
@ms-jl6dl
@ms-jl6dl 3 жыл бұрын
Those were american all seasons,not comparable to your michelins. European all seasons are "all weather" tyres in US. By adding 2 extra wheels (50% +)for traction you'll destroy any winter tyres in 2wd,all seasons are about 10% poorer. Audi S3 and you're driving cross climates all year round? Me - seat ibiza FWD-dedicated winter tyre + summer tyre.
@666dynomax
@666dynomax 3 жыл бұрын
I'll throw another loop. Here in North America, it is very common for pickup owners to run an all terrain winter rated (3PMS stamped) tire. Theres lots of them out there that still perform very well in snow/ice and also in summer on gravel and mud. Goodyear Duratrac, BFGoodrich KO2, Toyo Open Country AT3, Faulken Wildpeak, etc etc, these are becoming a lot more common (even as factory tire options) on some larger SUV (Subaru included). Here for us they are a very good option, because "snow tires" typically go on in October and come off in April. I do not run two sets of tires nor will I ever on my pickup. Don't forget in North America pickups are the best selling vehicle here... almost 1/4 of new sales are pickups... add SUV in to that ... throw in SUV/Crossovers and you're talking nearly 3/4 the market is NOT cars/sedans/minivans. probably the opposite to almost anywhere else in the world.
@TheSWIMBEAST1
@TheSWIMBEAST1 3 жыл бұрын
This channel is THE tyre authority. Thanks for another great video!
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks!
@TheSWIMBEAST1
@TheSWIMBEAST1 3 жыл бұрын
@@tyrereviews Yes you are. I was always looking for 'independent' tyre reviews and comparisons. They just didn't exist or were really hard to find. The few that existed were from German media, but they tend to prefer German products. There were some US publications but many US tyres aren't available here. Enter Tyre Reviews, and my search ended. This is my go to source now and has been since maybe 3 years. Thanks very much.
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheSWIMBEAST1 :D I'm glad I'm useful
@ertsec
@ertsec 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve never been more excited to watch this
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
I hope it was worth the excitement!
@ThreeDee912
@ThreeDee912 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video, maybe you could have also did a braking test to emphasize the safety between the all-season and winter tires. I'd bet the all-season would take far longer to stop as AWD doesn't really help with braking.
@Petunia31
@Petunia31 3 жыл бұрын
Trying to survive my first winter in the PNW of the states with a RWD truck (it’s not going well) Was hoping this test would have gone differently so I could have just justified buying better tires and not a whole new vehicle, but alas...
@Stephen06GT
@Stephen06GT 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. My new “winter tires” are going on my new F150 4x4 tomorrow. Happy motoring.
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
Well timed :)
@Nskawtea1
@Nskawtea1 3 жыл бұрын
I driver my Lexus SC400 in the winter and have snow tires on it. Lovely drifting, total control, turn in is amazing, and braking. Compared to All seasons, well it’s sketchy really x) great review!
@ouch1011
@ouch1011 3 жыл бұрын
As an American that has used many different "American" all season tires, my experience is that at least for the weather we get around here, all season tires are downright dangerous in the winter weather we get here. When it snows here, it will often thaw a little during the day, and freeze again at night, so we end up with compacted snow with a layer of ice on top. If it snows overnight, it's snow on top of ice and compacted snow. There is no combination of all season tire and drive train that will navigate these road conditions safely, which is why anytime it snows here (not that often), it is like Armageddon. Very few people have proper winter tires, most people are driving around on bald versions of the cheapest tires they can get. For me personally, my Subaru and my Chevy Bolt have dedicated winter tires, because I my job expects me to be at work everyday, regardless of weather.
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
Not going to argue with your experiences :)
@georgejohnson7591
@georgejohnson7591 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty much sums up the UK too, all of what you said!
@robi4387
@robi4387 3 жыл бұрын
As @George Johnson says, sad but true. A For Sale ad reads: 'Good tread on all PingPong tyres' - like they are a selling point.
@RichardStefanits
@RichardStefanits 3 жыл бұрын
Oh there are people around here who are confident that summer tyres could be fine on winter. Now, there is only a thin layer of ice/compacted snow/ice of compacted snow/ fresh snow on ice of compacted snow (which here is not that uncommon) is needed to lose your grip and crash your car and even a tiny touch of damage on the car can cost you all the savings you made on tyres. On a miscalculated turn here and there and your savings on tyres goes out of the window. I don't really understand these people. They spend a fortune on new cars then they cheap out on tyres and service and risk all their investment.
@georgejohnson7591
@georgejohnson7591 3 жыл бұрын
@@RichardStefanits It's why the UK grinds to a halt with a light dusting of snow, very few gears up for it.
@Zanmiester
@Zanmiester 3 жыл бұрын
i would've been intrigued to have seen a fwd car added into this too
@therealtoine5038
@therealtoine5038 3 жыл бұрын
It's in the video...
@Zanmiester
@Zanmiester 3 жыл бұрын
@@therealtoine5038 idk it’s been 5 months since I watched this but I’m pretty sure it’s AWD vs RWD and not a FWD edit: just re-watched and yep nothing about a front wheel drive (FWD) even mentioned. although it would take more time and money, some of these videos would be very interesting if you added all types of drivetrains (AWD, 4WD, FWD, RWD). As I have experience driving both FWD and RWD with snow tires I can personally say I think FWD is better, unless you add weight for traction in the back of the RWD, although I would still say I like the control of the car being "pulled" with FWD as opposed to "pushed" by the RWD (although I prefer that in summer as well).
@rm0234
@rm0234 3 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this for years.. finally
@daoyang1562
@daoyang1562 3 жыл бұрын
Really interesting thanks for doing this test! I was almost done with the video when I started to ask the question, how much better would the winter tires be in 4wd, and then you answered my questions right at the end. Thank you sir!
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
:D
@Paul-pj5qu
@Paul-pj5qu 3 жыл бұрын
Having driven all wheel drive Audi's for all but 3 of the last 20 years I knew that all-wheel drive with all season tires would blow away rear-wheel drive with winter tires, and I thought they would probably be noticeably better when turning than the rear-wheel drive with winter tires, albeit requiring more attention and skill. Breaking would be the only area where the winter tires had an advantage, however, it's not clear to me that it's a total advantage because avoidance might be better with all-wheel drive. However, all-wheel drive with winter tires on all four corners is definitely the best.
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly :)
@Xanthopteryx
@Xanthopteryx 3 жыл бұрын
You stand no chance on ice (and especially wet ice) if you have all season AWD and compare it to studded 2WD.
@bikingmoments
@bikingmoments 3 жыл бұрын
This is really my FIRST time seeing a VW pickup truck!
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
They're REALLY good
@MOUNTY100V
@MOUNTY100V 3 жыл бұрын
And probably the last time... next Amarok will be Ford Badge engeneering Pick up...
@jonup321
@jonup321 3 жыл бұрын
They are really tiny. They get lost in Texas.
@ms-jl6dl
@ms-jl6dl 3 жыл бұрын
You are not really a car guy. Why are you watching this?
@mcplutt
@mcplutt 3 жыл бұрын
I drive a VW pickup truck almost every day at work.
@blacksaxcam
@blacksaxcam 3 жыл бұрын
Great info, Jonathan. Looking forward to more winter content (I live in Canada...)!
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks :)
@robertodelisa1544
@robertodelisa1544 7 ай бұрын
Thank very much for this review... I was undecided whether to change my all-season in my 4x4 before going to the helps but having a lot of motorway to do....
@MattWongPsyD
@MattWongPsyD 3 жыл бұрын
If you’re going to play with a truck in the snow why didn’t you include adding weight to the bed in 2wd mode?
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe a did and that's a whole different video ;)
@MattWongPsyD
@MattWongPsyD 3 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait till it shows up in my feed!
@opera93
@opera93 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, that is what I do: actually about 100 LB , (Ballast near tailgate)IN MY GMC Canyon 2007/TWD/ auto/TOWING PACKAGE/LE: and the Studded winter tires here in Helena Valley, MT( interestingly HANKOOKS ON this Truck,Nokians in my JOURNEY FRONT Wh . Drive) : somehow missed getting all Wheel Drive last two Car purchases ( one here in MT),......
@n0steeze
@n0steeze 3 жыл бұрын
I was going to say, trucks when not towing are usually front heavy. Trying to drive an empty truck up a hill with fresh snow in RWD? From a stand still?? dreaming lol
@andrewmcnally1569
@andrewmcnally1569 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, it's not a fair comparison of your not using front wheel drive.
@lehoff
@lehoff 3 жыл бұрын
Ultimately Winter Tyres + 4WD is the ultimate combo, but a good compromise is a good All Season tyre. Personally I prefer changing tyres depending on the season, in a lot of European countries (especially around the Alps) you have to change to winter tyres in the winter legally. i.e. if you have a crash with summer/sports tyres in winter you'll get a fine / points etc... That said for something like a pickup truck where summer performance is less important, an all season tyre makes perfect sense.
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
A lot of our new all season tyres do qualify as winter legal :)
@lehoff
@lehoff 3 жыл бұрын
@@tyrereviews absolutely - so it's a good way of saving money, Great review as usual Jon - gutted no 'guns' on show today, but it was a little cold it seems ;)
@lyletregoning4717
@lyletregoning4717 3 жыл бұрын
Yesssss. The video we’ve all wanted this winter. Thank you!!!!
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
Hope you enjoyed it!
@lyletregoning4717
@lyletregoning4717 3 жыл бұрын
@@tyrereviews I did. Finally confirmed if all seasons on my old rangie would be good enough for the Max 3 days snow we get here in Oxfordshire a year.
@flyonbyya
@flyonbyya 2 жыл бұрын
The hosts capacity to discern innumerable immeasurable, unquantifiable nuances and behaviors is truly remarkable.
@zaidkidwai7831
@zaidkidwai7831 3 жыл бұрын
Me who lives somewhere where it never ever snows and I’ve only seen snow once in my life: Also me: wow this info is very useful
@epiccheese911
@epiccheese911 2 жыл бұрын
People that argue about all seasons being better are people that don't experience regular snow fall every day of winter, winter tires are not worth it for many in the US which is why people will argue, and they have a point. Winter tires are generally much more expensive than regular A/S or A/T tires.
@Ozzypup1
@Ozzypup1 3 жыл бұрын
I live in Michigan. Ive had 2 wheel drive trucks, 4x4 suvs and front wheel drive cars. I can say that if you get a really bad snow or ice 2 wheel drive just sucks no matter what. The 4x4 I had seemed to plow through anything but you still need to watch your speed for turning and breaking. Otherwise your still going to wreck. Now to the front wheel drive cars they actually do pretty good in the winter as long as you have decent tires. My current car is a Hyundai elantra touring with traction control. Im actually really impressed with how good this car is in the winter with a good set of tires on it.
@myslecinaczej8674
@myslecinaczej8674 3 жыл бұрын
Those reviews would be realy great and also very useful providing that an update was given for each comparative test, considering tires material degradation with time. Is is especially important for these so called all seasons tires which looks so great when new but so much worse when used in hot summers and freezing winters. So keep the good work guys but please add such test to revel more truth!
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
Wear testing is incredibly expensive, I'm trying my best to work it in
@blumix5441
@blumix5441 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, can you (next time) do 4 versions, these + 4wd with winter + 2wd with all season.
@lfsracer79
@lfsracer79 3 жыл бұрын
2:55 7:59
@benediktgartinger7465
@benediktgartinger7465 2 жыл бұрын
It would be interessting if you compare 4WD Winter vs. 4WD All-Season Tires. It is hard to compare 2WD on back axle against 4WD drive, because the whole energy gets to the back at 2WD and at 4WD you balance the energy at the whole drivestrain. And Volkswagen takes much of the engineering of 4WD from the old quattro from AUDI. :) Stay Safe and greeting from Germany :)
@Paratyphi
@Paratyphi 3 жыл бұрын
I didn't watched it yet, but i have already liked it. I keep it for my evening tea.
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
I hope you enjoy it :)
@Paratyphi
@Paratyphi 3 жыл бұрын
@@tyrereviews Enjoyed it from the first second to the last!
@theaceofspades485
@theaceofspades485 2 жыл бұрын
One thing I will never forget. We had a V6 RWD Dodge Durango, and a 4 cylinder Dodge Journey FWD. When it snowed bad that Durango would not go anywhere spin all day long and if it dod manage to get going the first hill would kill it. The FWD journey while sketchy at times always made it through.
@JaZoN_XD
@JaZoN_XD 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder how much difference the drivetrain is when in different modes. Looks like open rear diff TC cuts all power all the time, whereas the center diff lock mode lets you actually spin the wheels
@M.TTT.
@M.TTT. 3 жыл бұрын
hm, good point. Should use a more basic vehicle with less electronic crap to test or turn off all of it.
@JCintheBCC
@JCintheBCC 3 жыл бұрын
@@M.TTT. Yes, but this is a pretty accurate representation of most modern AWD/4WD cars and the way they behave. If you run the test with locked center and rear diffs, the test is irrelevant to even most AWD/4WD vehicles. Also, the vehicle slips backward when the TC lets the wheels spin. More spinning probably wouldn't help.
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
All electrics were off for both configs for testing
@snek9353
@snek9353 3 жыл бұрын
@@tyrereviews But you said traction control was doing it's thing in the vid?
@snek9353
@snek9353 3 жыл бұрын
This is a very complicated issue in modern vehicles, most of all AWD drive ones. With every parameter computer adjusted and so many different kinds of AWD systems no two are alike and the systems are never really off. My AWD car I can force it to do RWD only and have two stabilty/traction control settings a partial off and a full off. However even full off the computer has a winter mode based on outside temps that cuts power, slows throttle response, softens the shifts, etc. It takes a lot of tweaking with pricey aftermarket software to really turn all the nannies off.
@FredrikWS
@FredrikWS 3 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see how it turned out if tested on ice.
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe one for another video :)
@Xanthopteryx
@Xanthopteryx 3 жыл бұрын
@@tyrereviews And on wet ice!
@graememaclean7197
@graememaclean7197 3 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see this too. I bet that in lots of countries there are more crashes due to black ice than there are due to snow
@k0ppit
@k0ppit 3 жыл бұрын
@@graememaclean7197 In snow you have some grip, on ice you have none. Would be a good test for studed tires.
@TheTallRaver
@TheTallRaver 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this interesting test! As always - great content!👍💪
@vipermoon_
@vipermoon_ 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I am deciding between these exact two configurations, in a pickup too.
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
Glad I could help!
@jorbjorb1
@jorbjorb1 3 жыл бұрын
I wish we had that Amarok in North America.
@KF1
@KF1 3 жыл бұрын
That's exactly why I clicked. Then oh, a Brit is going to tell me here in Canada all about snow driving? Well, have at it, then.
@sekopiski
@sekopiski 3 жыл бұрын
0:01 I see proper nordic winter tyres on the Amarok. Why didn't you test them too?
@TopiasSalakka
@TopiasSalakka 3 жыл бұрын
I think they're testing that in an upcoming video.
@RdVortex
@RdVortex 3 жыл бұрын
Would have also loved to see a comparison to those ContiVikingContact 6's.
@stephenimsong3462
@stephenimsong3462 Жыл бұрын
Second set of winter tires makes a lot of sense since you’re saving the wear of tires on your other set. I’m on my second season with my winters and when ever it snows I’m the first to drive on the road! Nothing beats sliding around in parking lots pulling my hand break doing doughnuts
@heckraiserrr413
@heckraiserrr413 2 жыл бұрын
This is a really interesting test, but I wish you had tested braking in more detail to see how big of a difference there is. And probably an emergency maneuver test (to swerve and avoid an object) would be very informative to show the limits of handling.
@CalebBaker500
@CalebBaker500 3 жыл бұрын
I'm wondering what the results would be in a FWD configuration vs awd. Everyone claims that fwd is better for snow.
@PavelPavlov1
@PavelPavlov1 3 жыл бұрын
Compared to AWD? I don't think everyone claims that
@ProjectExMachina
@ProjectExMachina 3 жыл бұрын
@@PavelPavlov1 RWD
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly much the same, just less oversteer and potentially even less traction because of weight transfer
@brileri
@brileri 3 жыл бұрын
@@tyrereviews in winter conditions weight transfer is minimal and having more mass (engine in this case) over the driven wheels is the more important factor. Easily provable if you compare RWD with light rear (like a van) to a similar weight FWD car (video idea?). Can even put them on all season tires to emphasise the differences more. Also, braking traction in snow slows you down (i.e. TC shouldn't be triggered for the fastest 0-100). Using the torque of the low RPM will get you off the line quicker, or up a hill.
@AzNightmare
@AzNightmare 3 жыл бұрын
*I can't imagine anyone would claim FWD being superior over AWD in snow... Maybe you are getting mixed up FWD vs RWD.*
@koga014
@koga014 3 жыл бұрын
"I'd recommend snow drifting a pickup truck to...." SNOW DRIFTING, YOU SAY?
@n-da-bunka2650
@n-da-bunka2650 3 жыл бұрын
Great review. I have driven 4x4 with All season DWS06 for about 10 years and now also have an Audi S7 upon which I am placing the PS 4 All Seasons as swapping for dedicated Winter tires is not reasonable for North Carolina. Good to see that All Season 4x4 can perform so very well without having the complexity and additional expense of separate seasonal tires. #worthy
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
Good choice!
@thepub245
@thepub245 3 жыл бұрын
I drove a rear wheel drive BMW through a couple of snowy winters. You could really tell the difference between the winter (Goodyear ultragrip 7) and summer tyre. I always use winter tyres in the winter season now. They perform better in low temperature then a summer tyre even without snow. Going to swap over in next couple of weeks with my FWD Audi.
@rpvnwnkl
@rpvnwnkl 3 жыл бұрын
This is a bit of an atypical scenario since pickups have so little weight in the rear, biasing the result to favour the front wheels being driven. I know you chose the truck to have the same vehicle and be able to select 2WD vs 4WD, but it’s a caveat nonetheless. Perhaps with significant weight in the back the result would be different?
@davidellis1355
@davidellis1355 3 жыл бұрын
I thought the same thing
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
There's a video about weight in the back coming soon :)
@alxace
@alxace 3 жыл бұрын
It's not an atypical scenario for pickup trucks - they mostly drive around with and empty rear, no additional weight on the rear axle.
@kristiaan1
@kristiaan1 3 жыл бұрын
it's been proven many times that good all-season is almost as good as a good winter tire, and better than cheap winter tire. what I want to know is how quickly am I gonna run down those all-seasons (which have to be softer with more thread 'cause of winter conditions) in hot summer. Isn't it better to have 2 sets just for durability in continental climates (hot summer/cold snowy winter)?
@drazgul1
@drazgul1 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah it is, I’m Spanish and most people in Spain drive summers all year round but living in Germany having 2 sets is the norm. Workshops even keep them for you all year so you can just go in April and October (November for me, I don’t think it’s that bad in October yet) to switch them out for a small fee.
@davidhicks4420
@davidhicks4420 3 жыл бұрын
Some top-end all seasons like the Michelin CrossClimate supposedly last a long time. Actually, even central European winter tyres, like the Conti TS850 last a long time if driven year-round somewhere like the UK. I think the TS850s on our A3 have something like 60,000 miles on them over 8 years, and haven't been switched to summer tyres since at least 2016. I think this is a lot down to the huge amount of tread depth on winter tyres.
@davidhicks4420
@davidhicks4420 3 жыл бұрын
Also, I came to the conclusion that European all-seasons are now so good that having separate summer and winter sets in most of Europe is pointless, unless you drive regularly in the mountains or the Nordic countries (in which case you probably want some Nordic winter tyres, different again). From the test results I've seen, it appears that the latest all-seasons do almost as well as summer tyres on dry or wet roads while providing decent handling characteristics, and still do almost as well as standard winter tyres on cold wet or snowy roads. It appears that the only area that most winter tyres still have a big advantage over the all-seasons is driving on ice, but in most of Europe this is fairly rare and thus generally avoidable anyway. And again, if you live in the mountains or Scandanavia you probably just get full winter or Nordic winter tyres.
@drazgul1
@drazgul1 3 жыл бұрын
@@davidhicks4420 I have to agree, I have a 300hp SEAT Leon Cupra now so I'd rather have all grip possible depending on season but I had a 150hp car before and didn't bother with having 2 sets, I just used the all year tires from Michelin and they lasted 4 years, 50k kilometers in all types of weather before I sold the car. I loved them and saved me a lot of hassle. They are probably still being used since they had some tread left (more than legally needed anyway).
@stinkycheese804
@stinkycheese804 3 жыл бұрын
Nope, better (for most people driving an average # of miles yearly) to put a normal amount of wear on tires and replace with fresh new rubber. Old rubber hardens with age, typically no more than 5 years is best and with a typical 15K/yr drive cycle that's 75K mi, less than you should get from two pairs of summer and winter tires.
@T100ley
@T100ley 3 жыл бұрын
Located in St. Louis MO, and over the past 6 years, we just haven't got the consistent snow like we used to. All seasons make the most sense especially in my case where my fiance and I only live 5 miles from work and at the most drive to visit family that is located 25 miles away, and our AWD cars (’14CR-V and ’16GolfR) do great with all-season tires. When I lived in Michigan however snow tires were an absolute necessity.
@MrRatFinkster
@MrRatFinkster 3 жыл бұрын
Good video. With the all season tires on my Ram, I won’t drive it in my Canadian winters. Once we get any snow or ice they’re useless and I have to go to snow tires. Maybe a good set of ATs could do it all year but definitely not the stock all seasons.
@TheWeakLink101
@TheWeakLink101 3 жыл бұрын
Id love to see this exact same test done with a FWD car, I suspect a very different outcome
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
Coming soon
@TheWeakLink101
@TheWeakLink101 3 жыл бұрын
@@tyrereviews yes! Oh I'm looking forward to it!
@nielsdebakker3283
@nielsdebakker3283 3 жыл бұрын
So conclusion: 2wd with winter tires is safer(steering and braking) than 4seasons with awd. So the best combination wil be winter tires + awd.
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
Yep :)
@clarda1
@clarda1 3 жыл бұрын
The difference was not as great as most people proclaimed it would be The HTS 60 is a decent all season in the snow but it is far from the best. We have all season tires that also get the server snow service rating... which almost renders the dedicated snow tire irrelevant. The Goodyear assurance weather ready is a great example of this. All season tire, 80K tread warranty, Severe snow certified.. absolute beast in the snow. Had a set on my last vehicle. 10/10 on the ice also.
@JCintheBCC
@JCintheBCC 3 жыл бұрын
I live in the snowy mountains of Utah in the United States, and many people have AWD/4WD vehicles with all-season tires here. There are many crashes on our mountain road each weekend for the reason you noted here. The grip under acceleration convinces many people that they can drive in snow like they normally would on dry roads. So after they drive up the canyon road easily, they have to go back down with compromised (relative to winter tires) braking and handling and end up in a ditch. I personally dragged 13 cars out with my Landcruiser last winter. It's a mess.
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
13 cars, good going! I'm actually currently in Salt Lake City looking forward to some snow
@dawannwilliams6301
@dawannwilliams6301 3 жыл бұрын
This is a wonderful video. I live in a US state that doesn’t get lots of constant winter snow and all wheel tires are the most recommended. However l drive a Porsche Cayenne that came with 21 inch Pirelli Summer tires that l love ❤️ and didn’t want to give up for a all weather tire. To me there is no comparison. I purchased the Pirelli Scorpion Winter tire that does well the 4 months out of the year that l use them.
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
Nice
@coalieroller5663
@coalieroller5663 3 жыл бұрын
AWD helps you go, Winter tyres help you stop. A tyre cant stop in time is still shit.
@Huso9922
@Huso9922 3 жыл бұрын
Winter tires help with grip, awd helps with better traction.
@georgehuser4711
@georgehuser4711 3 жыл бұрын
Damn I'm first lol. I'm guessing the all season 4wd will win acceleration but the rest winter tyres
@muumuumu
@muumuumu 3 жыл бұрын
winter wins on both
@-Burb
@-Burb 3 жыл бұрын
@@muumuumu Did you even watch the video? The 4WD all seasons destroyed the 2WD in acceleration every time. Obviously winter tires 4WD would be better but this video was about 2WD winter vs 4WD all seasons
@jtb52
@jtb52 3 жыл бұрын
Super. I like the Amarok as a possible horse box tow car. Friend has one though and got a cheap beater to save on fuel costs. Due to Covid we’re not travelling around for competitions so I didn’t mount my blizzaks yet. Our worst scenario is muddy fields with a few steeps and for sure the tyres make a big difference as well as 4wd. This latest generation of all season look great though almost solving the two sets of tyres problem.
@frankfranky7410
@frankfranky7410 3 жыл бұрын
on an AWD and snow tires ,the winter is fun up north!
@gavincregan7892
@gavincregan7892 3 жыл бұрын
Now to really be American throw an old engine block, transmission or a half dozen sandbags in the back to show what weight in the back of a pickup does to winter performance. (Do europeans do that kind of stuff?)
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
Already done, coming soon :)
@KeenxLimit
@KeenxLimit 3 жыл бұрын
Don't forget a US flag, "I love Jesus" stickers and a trump banner.
@rsk6882
@rsk6882 3 жыл бұрын
4WD + WT >>> 4WD +AT >>> 2WD + WT >>> 2WD AT
@kps84094
@kps84094 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I will be excited to see how much of a difference extra weight in the back of the truck helps with traction.
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
That video is already done :) I'll be out in a few weeks
@seanpeacock5595
@seanpeacock5595 3 жыл бұрын
Best review site I’ve seen yet. In our travels we’ve seen 30C one day and two days later been in -30C. Hard to decide..Snows with longer stopping in warm...AllSeason with longer stopping in cold.....All Weather with a little stopping longer in both? Makes my head hurt 🤪
@stinkycheese804
@stinkycheese804 3 жыл бұрын
Umm no, everything else equal, snow tires do not have a longer stopping distance in warm weather, rather they just wear down faster.
@seanpeacock5595
@seanpeacock5595 3 жыл бұрын
@@stinkycheese804 ummmmmm, no. Watch his allseason test in different temperatures
@ShowMeWhatINeedToKnow
@ShowMeWhatINeedToKnow 3 жыл бұрын
'Murica!
@HorizonFarming
@HorizonFarming 3 жыл бұрын
"American car" most used pickup in Europe...
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews 3 жыл бұрын
It's close enough 😅
@mikeprestly121
@mikeprestly121 3 жыл бұрын
The problem that we encounter with American All Season tires is after a couple summers of use. Even with relatively low mileage on them, the heat cycling of the tires hardens the A/S rubber compounds. This is how they achieve longer wear life. Whereas the winter tires tend to remain soft and pliable. Thus the winter Vastly outperforms any A/S tire after even as little as 10k use. My wife's Jeep Grand Cherokee had Michelin A/S at the beginning of 1st summer and did good that first winter. After a 2nd summer's use they failed miserably at winter traction. We bought winter tires- problem solved. Kept both sets mounted/balanced and swapped out for each respective season. Something to keep in mind.
@familyvalues2020
@familyvalues2020 Жыл бұрын
I feel like putting some weight in the back with the winter 2wd config could have helped improve the numbers since the truck is light in the back but props for doing the testing its fun to watch. For many years Ive driven snow tires on my mustang vs all seasons on my wife's countless subaru foresters and now a CX9 and while awd acceleration in all seasons is surprisingly good with modern traction systems, but winter tires are just amazing in cold weather without snow as well, all seasons can feel like hardened hockey pucks.
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