U-Boat Massacre - The Case of U-852

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The March 1944 sinking of the merchant ship Peleus by U-852 remains highly controversial as the U-Boat skipper turned his guns on survivors in the water. Was this kind of action policy in the Kriegsmarine and what was the outcome for the German captain and his crew?
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@NeuroticLobster 4 жыл бұрын

KZfaq doesn’t deserve Mark Felton. Incredible video as always.

@WarStorieswithMarkFelton 4 жыл бұрын

I appreciate that!

@Pique147 4 жыл бұрын

@@WarStorieswithMarkFelton Do you have a podcast Mark? I drive a lot and would love to listen to these War Stories while on the move.

@jacobfarrell7171 4 жыл бұрын

Don't say that! 😟

@hodaka1000 4 жыл бұрын

@@WarStorieswithMarkFelton Don't get a swelled head mate, there were too many inaccuracies in your Sandakan story to bother mentioning, just Google the actual death toll for instance. Anyway there were other cases of American submarines killing Japanese survivors in the water. You most likely have seen photos of the Australian POWs being recover by American submarines. The truth of the matter was the first Americans had surfaced to execute survivors in the water, as they were surfacing they were calling to their crew members to "get a gun if you want to shoot a Jap" they were about to start shooting when they heard an Australian voice shout, "you sink us and now you're want to shoot us" or words to that affect

@Bellislawns 4 жыл бұрын

hodaka1000 I’m surprised you don’t suggest Wikipedia for research purposes

@jimmyteerex2177 4 жыл бұрын

The story of the men who survived 43 days adrift must be an epic in itself.

@wookeybradbury 4 жыл бұрын

Jimmy Tee Rex if they had been American they would have made a film of it

@based_prophet 4 жыл бұрын

Yea with a shot up raft probly heavly wounded

@based_prophet 4 жыл бұрын

If you got magits by eating them u gain more water than they take n can live off salt water in fly state into larva sumwhat but not enough to kill just to give u a source of food n water

@based_prophet 4 жыл бұрын

Its sad but most pirates lived off maggits off the dead

@V0YAG3R 4 жыл бұрын

pistol breath What the heck is a 'magit'!? 🤨

@ArcAudios77 4 жыл бұрын

Disturbing to hear these facts - your research & delivery was excellent as always Mark. Thanks

@Azerkeux 4 жыл бұрын

Compared to the 8 months of naval blockade following the armistice it really seems somewhat inconsequential

@JeanLucCaptain 4 жыл бұрын

I want to piss off the ENTIRE world and guarantee they will hunt down my ship and crew: CAPTAIN ECK.

@ColinH1973 4 жыл бұрын

Another little-known episode from WW2 skilfully brought to life in a masterly manner. Thanks Mark.

@robhall3311 4 жыл бұрын

One of my uncles served on a USN submarine during WWII. He came back very different than he had been when he left. After the war, he went to work each day, came back each night to the family home, stayed in his room, smoked and drank. Rarely said more than 3 or 4 words at a time. The only time my father (also a WWII Navy vet) heard his brother speak of his service was one evening of hard drinking. My father made mention of Germans machine gunning survivors. My uncle simply replied "they weren't the only ones", and said no more. My father said the manner in which his brother spoke chilled him; it was clear to my father that he was speaking from personal experience. He was a man haunted by memories....

@Perkelenaattori 3 жыл бұрын

There are several cases of US submarines torpedoing Japanese troopships and then machine gunning the survivors. The Pacific was a hard theater. The Japanese expected no quarter either because that's what they would've done.

@eric-yy2cq 3 жыл бұрын

my uncle went down on 2 ships 1st time most survived 2nd time most died.He told me once that they got a sub it surfaced , the lads got nets to throw over the side to the suvviours , the officers ordered macjhing guns and shot them all he was in the Navy [british]

@TheGreatest1974 3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, these are the experiences that contribute to making war terrible for all involved. We should thank our lucky stars that there have been no more ‘world wars’.

@dethray1000 3 жыл бұрын

my dad was a pilot who went down on d =day--all of his crew walked away--he joined up with a combat group,he was an officer--the group looked for leadership but dad had no combat experience--he teamed with a sarge and gave the guy his machine gun--an unarmed german solider was running away and the sarge shot him in the back with the thompson--dad was mad as hell-took it back--such is war....

@photoisca7386 3 жыл бұрын

It's quite common for "fighting vets", especially from ww2, to be tight-lipped about their experience. My uncle was a marine and landed with the Canadians on Juno and fought through to the Netherlands, he said nothing except how young the Germans were. He was an elderly 19. A friends father drove a tank, same thing. Another friends dad was an electrician attached to a brigade H.Q, he seems to have had a good war, picking up liberated goods etc. He said Clint Eastwood's officer in Kelly's Heroes reminded him of the brigadier.

@28ebdh3udnav 4 жыл бұрын

There was dozens of instances where U Boats would sacrifice some food and water, throw it to the survivors, and tell them, "Good luck. I cant help you any further. Land is that way, (points to a direction), hope you guys make it."

@ThreeSixFour 4 жыл бұрын

If you win the war you still need to be able to live with yourself, killing POW’s is something you don’t come back from.

@ronaldgreene5733 4 жыл бұрын

We bought a corrupt narrative for an unnecessary war . . A very difficult subject to engage upon after so much effort, resources and lives were spent in what was presented as a patriotic fight against evil . . the true evil were those who created the justification for war through the same kind of corrupt media and intelligence in the same vein -- a tide today for which few can swim against -- no love or hate is necessary to recognize the nature of corruption while most politicians function in the role of puppets given sufficient justification and reward rather than understand the nature of networking and corrupt influence in government and corporate related activity. In a world of corruption, there are no conspiracies. The canvas of war is sufficient to paint the narrative moving forward. The victors write the history, while the people are never victorious.

@algrayson8965 4 жыл бұрын

@@ronaldgreene5733- The US had no good reason for entering the European and Asian wars (WWs I & II). If the US had picked the sides they wanted to support, sold them supplies, war materiel, until they ran out of gold, stuff to trade for it, then just gave it to them, no American blood needed to be spilled in foreign adventures.

@allangibson8494 4 жыл бұрын

Al Grayson The United States was attacked by German agents on 30th of July 1916 with 4 deaths for doing exactly what you suggested. (Look up Black Tom some time). The trigger for war being declared was German support for yet another Mexican invasion of the United States in 1917 (as a follow up to the 1916 invasion). Pearl Harbour was because the US refused to sell fuel to Japan because of its actions in Nanking - that were described as brutal and repugnant by Nazi party representatives present. The Japanese attacked a US Naval vessel (USS Panay) at the same time on December 12, 1937 with 3 deaths and 43 wounded. The US didn’t declare war on Germany in 1941 - Germany declared war on the United States (Japan didn’t bother declaring war - they just sank the US Pacific Fleet and invaded a US Protectorate).

@HiTechOilCo 4 жыл бұрын

Can you please provide links to your sources of these dozens of instances?

@barryolaith 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Mark for your research and in particular for your balanced reporting and placing events in context.

@PinkSlime0990 4 жыл бұрын

Desires to stay clandestine, but sails into group of survivors confirming his presence and lingers on the surface for 5 hours.

@pweter351 4 жыл бұрын

Likely they would asume that it was a Japanese sub

@bossdog1480 4 жыл бұрын

5 hours? Must have been REALLY bad shots.

@Collectorfirearms 4 жыл бұрын

@@bossdog1480 it's hard to find everyone

@JeanLucCaptain 4 жыл бұрын

@@bossdog1480 Stormtroopers? Lol.

@billcar6805 3 жыл бұрын

The survivors obviously knew a submarine was near as they just got sank by a torpedo. When rescued, they tell the military there is a submarine near. Aircraft are sent out to find and destroy it. But if you kill the survivors, even if it takes 5 hours, then no message about a uboat gets out. Use some critical thinking ffs

@freddymarcel-marcum6831 4 жыл бұрын

My grandmothers brother Erich Marcel Weudermann was a U-boat commander and a reluctant warrior. He never would have fired on anyone in the water. He is still at the bottom of the Bay Of Biscay.

@traxel14 3 жыл бұрын

Viele Männer, die wirklich aufrichtig waren, sind gestorben. Auf allen Seiten. Leider verläuft es so in der Geschichte...

@frogstamper 3 жыл бұрын

I'm guessing there were many men like your grandmother's brother Freddy, normal working men who were taken from their lives and loved ones and given a rifle.

@freddymarcel-marcum6831 3 жыл бұрын

@@frogstamper I think that was pretty much most of them. Heck I was delivering pizzas one day, two weeks later, Navy. That's how it goes.

@paulmcdonough1093 3 жыл бұрын

not a warrior he was a coward being in a u boat hiding away under the ocean

@freddymarcel-marcum6831 3 жыл бұрын

@@paulmcdonough1093 they don't give cowards keys to the boat son.

@davidvanniekerk3813 4 жыл бұрын

Dankie Dr Felton. You must have a lot of hours to get all these facts. Merci beaucoup.

@tt350zJason 4 жыл бұрын

Mark Felton = The BEST and most underrated historian. Another great video.

@garynarborough 4 жыл бұрын

Thoroughly enjoyed listening to this Mark. I've never heard of this incident or the other UK & US incident. From memory their was an incident similar to this in the first world war but that was a surface German vessel in the southern hemisphere. A great way to end my night. Thanks for all the research and effort and you put into these. I've still got to hear part 5 of Ratlines. Better than reading a good novel. Stay safe from Greater London!

@liamhackett513 3 жыл бұрын

there is a youtube post showing footage of US submariners shooting dead Japanese survivors somewhere in the Pacific.

@jacobleukus6930 4 жыл бұрын

Love the war stories channel too please keep it going. Having two places to get my daily dose of Dr. Felton is always a plus

@TankerBricks 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent videos Mark! Cheers for doing em. Popped up at Breakfast time!

@chrisbaker2784 4 жыл бұрын

Sir, this is a quality channel. I'll be subbed forever, I expect

@thomassk7161 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Mark, for so good stories and telling the stories. All what you make is so good both these and the vidoes.. Thank you Mark Felton

@cj.tj.8201 4 жыл бұрын

You positively make my weekend Dr. Felton.... I so enjoy you telling these stories... Thanks so much...

@muttleycrew 4 жыл бұрын

I love your uploads, Mark. Thank you!

@WarStorieswithMarkFelton 4 жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

@Da_Xman 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for taking the time to put together this information!

@Willigula 4 жыл бұрын

Dr. Felton, your superb writing and masterful narration make this audio story better than history programs with VIDEO on TV. SUBSCRIBED. Thank you!

@Wolshanze 4 жыл бұрын

You deserve far great subscription than you currently have and I have always spread the word !

@bernardedwards8461 3 жыл бұрын

There was a notorious incident in WW1 where in 1915 Royal Navy Q-ship Baralong intercepted a U-boat which had captured the Allied freighter Nicosia. The U-boat crew surrendered, but marines from the Baralong hunted them down and murdered them. Nobody was ever punished.

@carlgriffith4660 3 жыл бұрын

Mark, once again a fantastic job! I learn so much factual information from your videos that each one I watch I am astounded time and time again over the quality of your work. Thank you so much!

@robbabcock_ 4 жыл бұрын

Great program! I hadn't heard this story before, thanks.

@giovannidomenech4321 4 жыл бұрын

I’m mesmerized by all of your stories Mark. Thanks for the education and history I’m a huge fan!

@Ballinalower 3 жыл бұрын

The depth of historical research by Mark is stunningly impressive and almost unique.

@teh_major4106 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing Mark, brilliant story telling as always.

@imagremlin875 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your honesty Mr. Felton.

@chrismaddox15 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Dr Felton. I love how you do your best to tell the truth about history. Fair to all sides. You are a true historian.

@jackpinesavage1628 4 жыл бұрын

This story reminds me of the movie and the book titled "Murphy's War". Filmed in Venezuela, the movie had Peter O'Toole in it.

@reb0118 3 жыл бұрын

That's a blast from the past. I always thought it was Robert Powell who played the wounded pilot Lt. Ellis (shot to death in his hospital bed) but it turns out it was John Hallam.

@scooterbob4432 3 жыл бұрын

I watched that movie and liked it. too. But for a torpedo to be armed, I think it has to travel some distance first. Like the scene from Red October.

@johnjohnon8767 3 жыл бұрын

I vaguely remember this movie. He is saved by a priest I believe. But determined to sink the u boat by improvising a torpedo I think.

@waynesimpson2074 3 жыл бұрын

A superb film and morality tale....the dilemma facing revenge?

@flyingphobiahelp 3 жыл бұрын

Remember it well great film

@MrMike-oc6dr 3 жыл бұрын

Sure appreciate this video. So many little things i am learning about the war thanks to you Mr Felton!

@bobbymancini9069 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Mark Felton for telling all sides of the war.

@billcar6805 3 жыл бұрын

I must have missed that in the video?

@DanFraser1984 4 жыл бұрын

So what if I was researching something else? Mark Felton just uploaded a new video!

@YvonneWilson312 4 жыл бұрын

Same here!

@garymckee8857 4 жыл бұрын

Agreed.

@DaveSCameron 4 жыл бұрын

Not a lacklustre effort my friend but watch this space, I'm brewing up one of the finest complimentary sentences ever released come our good doctors very next upload so don't get all drowsy on that throne there! #SycophantBattles

@Benjamin-gw7gd 4 жыл бұрын

Knobheads

@Benjamin-gw7gd 4 жыл бұрын

@EBISU 88 Same here!

@wetwriterrr 3 жыл бұрын

DANG MARK, you come up with WW2 details that are little known that keep us armchair history buffs from getting our lawns mowed. Thank you!

@EdemJansen 3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely beautiful history work - it's so rare to see nowadays, thank you so much!

@alexamerling79 4 жыл бұрын

Very informative. Love your videos Mark!

@TheAmericanDane 4 жыл бұрын

Mark Felton productions is one of those channels where I always like the video before I watch it, just incase I forget at the end.

@billcar6805 3 жыл бұрын

Then you are a muppet.

@hughmungus1767 4 жыл бұрын

I remember seeing a documentary some years ago on TV which discussed the sinking of a merchant ship in the South Atlantic. Some of the sailors on the merchant ship managed to get into life boats and get clear of the sinking ship. The submarine that had sunk the ship approached. If I remember correctly, the survivor being interviewed said it was an Italian submarine but that it carried a German officer. Apparently, the German officer ordered the Italian crewmen to open fire on the survivors of the sinking and killed several of them before leaving the area. Only two of the crewmen ultimately survived to reach the coast of Africa and even then they landed at a remote spot where they had to walk a very long distance before they found civilization. A truly harrowing tale as told by one of the two who made it! (It was a full episode of a documentary series called Survive - or Survivor? - that I saw on Global TV in Canada, probably in the 1980s.)

@stevealino2899 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you once again Mark.

@JohnJohnson-hk7cj 3 жыл бұрын

Mate your war videos and commentary is awesome! Thank you😀

@franklinwerren7684 4 жыл бұрын

I lost a cousin in WWII to the same thing, his Coast Guard cutter was torpedoed and was sunk, survivors were machine gunned in the water and life boats. That was the story in the family that was told by survivors. I want to do more research on that fact. His name was George Ayrault. His name is on the tablets of the missing in NYC.

@mkoschier 4 жыл бұрын

The U 852 case was not one of several but the only case so far kown were Uboat crews killed survivors in the water. The story is as of know hear say and nowhere documented. It was all too often the survivors in the water thought that Uboats shooting at them when in fact they engaged a complete other target

@AdmiralPureBlood 4 жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear that. It’s a shame the Democrats want to tear down your cousins name and the name of all those brave men

@routeoz02 4 жыл бұрын

@@AdmiralPureBlood Do grow up.

@csthompson9785 3 жыл бұрын

@@AdmiralPureBlood It's also a shame what the Dunce in Chief President Dumptard has said about veterans isn't it! How they are losers and suckers! Unbelievable!!

@THE-HammerMan 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for clearing up the erroneous number of cases where mariners shot survivors from sunken vessels. Except for the Japanese, most all other combatants in WWII did not massacre prisoners or survivors of sunken vessels. The number of actual incidents is hugely exaggerated, but you are absolutely correct when saying that the Allies were guilty of this at times. Thank God this type of action is repugnant to all honorable servicemen. Excellent work, Mark! Thanks.

@jeffgatewood2104 4 жыл бұрын

Captain "Mush" Morton, commander of the U.S.S. Wahoo, did the same thing to the Japanese, machine-gunning the survivors in the water. No one complained about it. Look it up.

@buildmotosykletist1987 4 жыл бұрын

@@jeffgatewood2104 ; You maybe interested in researching the atrocities of the British and Japanese in Borneo. The Brits carried out missions (massacres) making it look like the natives had done it. The Japanese took revenge which helped the Brits to recruit the natives. Some of the British soldiers never really recovered from what they themselves did. All is not fair in love and war.

@mistershepherd6808 4 жыл бұрын

Matthew Hamersly Really? I guess you haven’t heard of that little dust up between Germany and USSR? Millions of POWs killed by both sides.

@unsuspiciouschair4501 4 жыл бұрын

Fuck war. Rest in piece to all the innocent people killed.

@drewhinners8793 4 жыл бұрын

I could and do just leave your videos on repeat while I do other things. Keep them up!

@Othello484 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for setting the record straight. Awesome history as usual. :)

@valgunnarsson8567 4 жыл бұрын

The statement that this was the only incident in which a U-Boat slaughtered the unarmed crew of a merchantman after sinking their ship caught me because of the story of a different slaughter near Iceland I grew up with. Here it is in summary, maybe you have a way to see if it’s true: Vestmannaeyjar is a cluster of small islands off the south coast of Iceland. The principal of these is the small island of Heimaey (“Home Island”) where my mother was born. Heimaey has a little harbor of fishing boats, as it has for hundreds of years. My mother was a teenager during WWII when, she always told us, one of the trawlers came into the harbor with one surviving crewman. He told of a U-Boat having surfaced close by the trawler; men came out of the submarine with guns and slaughtered the Iceland crew. Just the one sailor survived. My mother has been gone now for many years but she told my brothers and me this story many times with genuine anger and disgust.

@winnifredforbes8712 4 жыл бұрын

Val Gunnarsson Oh, dear God! I would not be surprised if there were many stories similar to this!

@stevenkelly2477 4 жыл бұрын

There’s probably more incidents like this that will we will never know about.

@traxel14 4 жыл бұрын

Who knows which side this Submarine was on? They all look fairly similar.

@sethkimmel7312 4 жыл бұрын

@@traxel14 there were few US subs in the Atlantic almost all transiting to the med to fight....The same for the Brits- there subs were in the med and the North Sea....you don't want your boats mistaken for U boats and attacked so this was a U boat....nice try though apologist....

@naverilllang 3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like they were on the boat. Early in the war, it was standard practice to surface and use deck guns to destroy unarmed ships. Torpedoes were expensive, so you don't want to waste them. Destroying a fishing boat seems villainous, but if that food ultimately benefits the allies, then it's fair game. Iceland was officially neutral, but it was occupied by the allies.

@messmeister92 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Mark, for calling out examples of Allied war crimes as well. While we fought on “the good side,” there are still examples of war crimes committed by Allied soldiers. It’s unfortunate, but true, and often left out of the mainstream historical record.

@cuttlefisch 4 жыл бұрын

Superbly informative as always.

@WarStorieswithMarkFelton 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks again!

@CloneShockTrooper 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Mark Felton.

@larryw00fman78 4 жыл бұрын

I read of similar actions taken by allied aircraft in the battle of the Bismardk Sea. The air crews rationalized if the soldiers who survived the sinkings made it to land they would return to battle and kill allied sold6. War does terrible thing to the human heart. Great presentation Dr. Felton.

@rogerpattube 4 жыл бұрын

They started it.

@HiTechOilCo 4 жыл бұрын

larry - Where exactly did you read this? Link please.

@livethefuture2492 4 жыл бұрын

there were around 115 or so survivors picked up from the bismark.

@johnzelenak9432 4 жыл бұрын

YOU AND THE HISTORY GUY ARE THE 2 BEST OUT THEIR! ME& MY WHOLE FAMILY THANKS YOU!

@MatSpeedle 4 жыл бұрын

Fantastic stuff Mark an enjoyable listen!

@WarStorieswithMarkFelton 4 жыл бұрын

Many thanks!

@kylestewart4203 4 жыл бұрын

Wow, amazing story! Please keep them coming !

@antoniograncino3506 4 жыл бұрын

Commander Myers was given the frowning of his life.

@paulherzog9605 3 жыл бұрын

Victor's justice

@JP-fu1xw 3 жыл бұрын

Yes it's sad to see the difference in the handling of the cases. Which is why holding punishment right after the war is always fraud with emotions and leads to these injustices.

@PeteCourtier 4 жыл бұрын

My grandfather was sunk twice by u boats. In the Atlantic and Caribbean.

@PeteCourtier 3 жыл бұрын

@D Lopez I’ve asked my father but he doesn’t know! Both my uncles have passed away but I will try to find out. I know he was stranded in the US for 10 months. My grandmother didn’t know if he was alive and no income. When your ship is sunk your contract is terminated! I don’t know if this is true but apparently Douglas Fairbanks Jr paid board and lodging for rescued merchant seaman in the US. After the war he was in the Coast Guard at Rame Head in Cornwall.

@bntaft5133 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Mark.

@KlingonGamerYT 4 жыл бұрын

great work Mark enjoy these unknown to me stories!!!

@mraafi863 4 жыл бұрын

It's fun to imagine these audio documentaries like it's a TV program, Mark as the host and there's footages or reconstruction animations behind him

@ipad141 4 жыл бұрын

Talking to my mum‘s brother when he was alive , he was in the merchant Navy supplying Russia, A U-boat torpedo them then surfaced and used its machine guns on them, he survived and picked up by Russian ship and stayed in Russia for six months on the ship not allowed off.

@duncanidaho2097 3 жыл бұрын

And this episode, like many others, was never officially recorded, so doesn’t make Felton’s cut.

@majorronaldmandell7835 3 жыл бұрын

Extremely informative!! Thanks south!

@Bruno-Guitarist 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Good content as usual.

@MajorEasley 4 жыл бұрын

The most mesmerizing audiobook ever to hit KZfaq. Thank you so much Dr. Mark as always.

@WarStorieswithMarkFelton 4 жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

@dat2ra 4 жыл бұрын

I'd love to hear more about the "fringe" armies, like the Somali Land Camel Corps.

@dpeasehead 4 жыл бұрын

The "technicals" of their time?

@arthurfisher1857 3 жыл бұрын

Forget the Land Camel Corps... I'm WAY more curious about the Sea and Air Camel Corps that that name implies existed!!

@barnbersonol 3 жыл бұрын

Or at the least, stripped of his VC. There was the case of an Aussie private, son of poor Irish immigrants, who won a VC in WW2 which he forfeited for cattle rustling!!

@Paul-dv4dr 3 жыл бұрын

Somaliland was a British dependency, later incorporated into Somalia and now an (unrecognised) independent nation. The Camel corps was made up of local warriors I believe, or at least those who had been persuaded to fight on the Allies side. The Italians were the local axis power, and forced a British retreat from Berbera to Aden. This was just after Dunkirk, and Churchill was furious. The evacuation was largely kept quiet, for upholding public morale at a very difficult stage of the war. Britain and allies later re-took the horn of Africa of course, and the 8th Army took on the Germans at El Alamein. The modern emblem of Somalia, the 5-pointed star, signifies the 5 parts of Greater Somalia - Djibouti, Somaliland, Ogaden, NW Kenya and modern (rump) Somalia.

@marieravening927 3 жыл бұрын

@@barnbersonol As an Australian I've never heard of that incident. I wonder where I could find a report giving more details.

@barrysheridan9186 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent reporting, thanks.

@WarStorieswithMarkFelton 4 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

@USVIsteve 3 жыл бұрын

Mark Felton is awesome I love these mini documentaries

@PUBHEAD1 4 жыл бұрын

Mark, another outstanding vid.

@fload46d 4 жыл бұрын

I have read that my namesake, Kapitan Otto Kretschmer was severely averse to this kind of thing even though he was adept at getting inside convoys and having a turkey shoot with his torpedoes and deck gun.

@rimshot2270 3 жыл бұрын

For which he paid with his life. In fairness, what he did was war. Killing helpless survivors was murder.

@concerned1313 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Doctor Felton. Never heard of this one and good dialog.

@arober9758 4 жыл бұрын

Amazing informational story!!!🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤩🤩🤩🤩🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

@actioncom2748 4 жыл бұрын

Thank You, Mr. Felton for calling out the inaccuracies of the movie U-571. When I first saw that scene, I knew how unfair that was.

@WALTERBROADDUS 4 жыл бұрын

It's a entertainment film, not a documentary.

@WALTERBROADDUS 4 жыл бұрын

@Tim Webb Oh, please don't go there.... Hollywood is run by Sony, Disney, Etc. today.

@WALTERBROADDUS 4 жыл бұрын

@Mactrip100 The film story is based on real events. "Gone with the Wind" has the same amount of reality.

@ottovonbismarck2443 4 жыл бұрын

War crimes always happen in war; every side commits them. It's a reflexion of human behaviour. Most humans despise crimes, still crimes happen. Thanks for both sides of the story, Dr. Felton.

@ellioteslander3046 4 жыл бұрын

Whataboutism eh?

@Hurault_Pierre 4 жыл бұрын

I can understand with your display name that you believe what you wrote but it is false ! not all sides committed it !

@Wuestenkarsten 4 жыл бұрын

@@Hurault_Pierre in WW2 ALL did War Crimes!!!! No Way that in any War only one Side is "the bad Guy!" Get educated!

@victorhorvat1386 4 жыл бұрын

@@Hurault_Pierre Get out of your fantasy world pal , I can to a dozen or more crimes the Allies commited but never had to stand trial for them , nor get executed .

@charlesrs 4 жыл бұрын

@@Hurault_Pierre both sides did Dresden is one

@triplecap4307 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, this is just great stuff. It's not easy to tell it like it is and entertain at the same time.

@InternetDisciple 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for setting the record straight, my friend.

@5ch4rn 3 жыл бұрын

Admiral of the Fleet Andrew Browne Cunningham, in his autobiography, describes how a U-boat was attacked and brought to the surface during a Murmansk convoy and the crew captured. They were brought aboard by a Polish destroyer. Once back at Scapa Flow, the Royal Navy sent a boat to pick-up the u-boat crew only to be told they had been executed by the Poles as being war criminals. Does that count as a "massacre"?

@benwilson6145 3 жыл бұрын

Do you have any details, U boat no etc

@adamlees6305 3 жыл бұрын

Hear d a story from a Dutch sailor present at Dunkirk: a Dutch fishing boat assisting evacuation went to pick survivors from a damaged U boat, Dutch navy went to receive prisoners..none left. They had been helped on board then put off the other side, told me this late 60,s

@homefront3162 4 жыл бұрын

I thought I knew a lot about WW2, Mark Felton "Hold my tea"

@danielfmontero 3 жыл бұрын

Very nice Mark

@JohnDoe-jq5wy 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the through presentation.

@IronCross82 4 жыл бұрын

If he is on the surface for 5 hours shooting people in the water there is more motive than we know

@billcar6805 3 жыл бұрын

No. The motive was to make it so noone could report a uboat in the area when rescued.

@mikeryan3701 4 жыл бұрын

Mark Felton says that U-Boat Commanders were under orders not to take on board survivors because space and provisions would not permit such humanitarian gestures. Whilst there may be some truth in this, the main reason for the order was because of the treatment of two U-boats by Allied planes when they attempted to rescue survivors of SS Laconia.

@TileGuyJesse 4 жыл бұрын

Have you ever seen the inside of a U-Boat? Obviously not.

@hodaka1000 3 жыл бұрын

@@TileGuyJesse Have you ?

@prophet725 3 жыл бұрын

@@TileGuyJesse While this is true, they had absolutely no space on board to accommodate more people, the main reason for the order was because of the treatment of those two U-boats. The order by Doenitz is literally called the Laconia Order. (Laconia-Befehl)

@mikeprimm4077 3 жыл бұрын

Then again, if they wouldn't have sank the laconia in the first place........

@chazp100 3 жыл бұрын

My Father was a survivour of the RMS Laconia was rescued by the vichy french ship Gloria and interned in Morocco North Africa, U-Boat crew treated them quite well,

@d.b.cooper8379 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! My dad was Canadian Merchant Navy in the last year of the war, granddad and uncle Alf were Canadian Navy. Uncle Alf's brother was RAF but did not come home. My mom's dad was US Army in WWI but was told he was too old when WWII started(he was born in 1895

@normangerring4645 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Mark, very interesting

@WarStorieswithMarkFelton 4 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

@ATRTAP 4 жыл бұрын

I’ll keep me my eyes peeled for Mark Felton’s Somaliland Camel Corps video.

@Athrun82 4 жыл бұрын

Interesting. I didn't know that stoy. I know that Admiral Dönitz issued "Operation Regenbogen" in 1942 or 1943 which meant that U-Boats were ordered to not help sailors from sunken ships (if I remember correctly). Duing the trials of Nuremburg he was confronted with it (as a order for committing war crimes basically) and his lawyer managed to refute this point by having the Allied admirals confirming that they had issued similar orders.

@markdavis2475 4 жыл бұрын

The order was made after the incident when a US aircraft bombed U boats as they were attempting to rescue passengers from a liner sunk by another U boat. The Laconia Incident.

@remc70 4 жыл бұрын

The German at the start of the war, following the British Prize rule, where you would board a ship, and if it had counter band, you could take it as a prize of sink it. the only problem is the British didn’t play by their rules. They would false flag a ship, told the ship to try to ram the sub, or had a deck gun on it, which made an auxiliary cruiser, and by the rules of war could be sunk on site. It’s interesting to note, the American, British, Russian, Japanese’s or Italian didn’t follow these rules

@user-rf9mx4qf7z 4 жыл бұрын

@@markdavis2475 Wouldn't it be great if Mark had a video on this? And he does: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pL2PdqpomrabmIU.html You're welcome :-)

@washingtonradio 4 жыл бұрын

@@remc70 That was more true in WWI than WWII. In WWII, it was understood the merchant marine of the enemy was going to be a target pretty early so convoying was instituted pretty quickly.

@leemichael2154 4 жыл бұрын

In the same way Otto Scortzeny was facing the death sentence for operating in enemy uniforms, until his lawyer called W commander Yeo-Thomas (the white rabbit) who confirmed the British did the same thing as a matter of course ,thus beating the charge

@vinayakdixit32 3 жыл бұрын

Mark you are simply superb in your narration

@factstrumpprejudice6740 4 жыл бұрын

Superb factual documetary, first rate delivery, always interesting, many thanks.

@WarStorieswithMarkFelton 4 жыл бұрын

Many thanks!

@mh-ki2dv 3 жыл бұрын

"Opened up with the 20mm and 37mm" "5 hours", Oh don't worry about ammo Hans I'm just making EXTRA sure

@billcar6805 3 жыл бұрын

It was in the ocean. Ya know, with waves and currents. Aiming would be difficult.

@johnmercier5868 4 жыл бұрын

I have become increasingly impressed with the scholarship that Mark Felton displays in his productions. Not being American seems to give him a broader perspective than most English language broadcasts. He also seems to have access to, and appreciation for, sources other than American and British.

@hotdogsubmarine3308 3 жыл бұрын

I’ve watched every video I can find that you’ve posted... now I catch myself humming the intro music at random times

@unclebob6728 3 жыл бұрын

Thank You Dr. F!

@user-oh2kt8lf6g 4 жыл бұрын

The story reminds of the massacre by Captain Peace from Geoffrey Jenkins's "A Twist of Sand."

@studinthemaking 4 жыл бұрын

Never heard of it. Is that a book or movie?

@bigbootros4362 4 жыл бұрын

Hello to all submariners and ex submariners. It wasn't a easy job, I can tell you that, but it certainly doesn't excuse firing at survivors.

@srenkoch6127 4 жыл бұрын

And almost none of them did it. Being a German submariner was the most dangerous posting and the part of the military with the least chance of survival, but even then, it was the most chivalrous part of Nazi German military, with only this documented case of war crimes. Dönitz may have been a Nazi, but he did not go with the rest of them and never told his men to follow Hitlers orders regarding shooting innocents (as the Wehrmacht did on a large scale in eastern Europe), and at the Nuremberg Trials he was acquitted on the charge of crimes against humanity (although he was convicted of other war crimes, so he was in no way a saint...)

@sirderam1 4 жыл бұрын

@Tim Webb If the Wehrmacht had not been in Russia there would have been no partisans, innocent or otherwise, to be shot.

@sirderam1 4 жыл бұрын

@Tim Webb Nonsense. No Soviet armies were assembled on Germany's borders. The Russian army never got nearer to Germany's borders than central Poland until AFTER the German invasion of Russia had been defeated and driven back. Hitler's invasion of Russia had nothing to do with defending oil fields, it was entirely aggressive. He ALWAYS intemded to invade and conquer western Russia to provide "lebensraum" for the new German empire which he aspired to create.

@ericrachut4207 3 жыл бұрын

@@srenkoch6127 Doenitz was not a Nazi. The German Navy regulations forbade membership in the Party. In fact, only about 8% of the German population as a whole were members.

@Ghostrider-71 4 жыл бұрын

War is Hell. Excellent video and narrative.

@stephensmith4480 3 жыл бұрын

My Father served in The British Merchant Navy during the war. He was part of The North Atlantic Convoys, travelling up to Murmansk in Russia. I can`t imagine what it must have been like for these men, apart from the atrocious weather, the constant fear of being attacked, day or night. Brave men, regardless of which Nation they served.

@ScooterFXRS 3 жыл бұрын

"..received a strongly worded reprimand....", then put medals on him. Yeah, that goes far, politics, connections as usual. War crimes are war crimes. Thank you for your straight up approach Mr. Felton.

@chrisdeal9945 4 жыл бұрын

Man that skipper was a equal opportunity employer , multi culti crew.

@rrrogster 3 жыл бұрын

It was wartime. Your ship is old and slow and a major target. You take whoever you can get.

@larrykent196 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for telling the history. Cheers!

@lagoonlane 3 жыл бұрын

Fabulous channel !

@paulsaid1365 4 жыл бұрын

My father was one of the survivors on the pelvis his name was.Rocco Said. He used to tell me stories about it how he was Lucky it was the rainy season and they trapped fresh water in the sail and they used to eat flying fish that jumped in the boat and turtle soup they had to put one person overboard because he died having gangrene in his leg they were at sea almost a month.

@dantheking8030 4 жыл бұрын

Hello grandad this is dan

@homefront3162 4 жыл бұрын

DAMN

@benwilson6145 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your story. My grandfather was on a ship that was torpedoed and all crew lost.