U. G. Krishnamurti: Complete Part 1 - Mystique of Enlightenment - Thinking Allowed w/ J. Mishlove

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NOTE: This is the full broadcast portion of the 88-minute interview.
Those who offer enlightenment or salvation appear to often operate more as businessmen than as authentic spiritual teachers. In part one of this two-part series, U. G. Krishnamurti he denies any possibility of knowledge of enlightenment. The very attempt to achieve enlightenment is an obstacle in the path of the proclaimed goal. The search for enlightenment is a device of the mind to perpetuate itself, in denial of its mortality.
In part two of the full DVD, he critiques various disciplines, both mystical and psychotherapeutic, which are said to lead to states of enlightenment. He proposes that states of enlightenment, if they are to be attained, must be gained in spite of--not because of--meditation, devotion, prayer, acceptance, forgiveness, or compassion. Stripped of all our pretenses, facing the despair of the human condition, freed of the imaginary diseases from which "enlightenment" may save us, we can build realistic and practical lives.
U. G. Krishnamurti was a world traveler and author of Mind Is a Myth and The Mystique of Enlightenment. Viewed by many as a liberated individual, he eschewed all gurus, teachings and followers.

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@jameskaczmarczyk8563
@jameskaczmarczyk8563 11 жыл бұрын
I like his no-bullshit attitude. It is very refreshing to hear a point of view so unique and ironically radical.
@1neinate0
@1neinate0 3 ай бұрын
I like and appreciate, unique and radical ideas it is it just entertainment or is he saying something that you value? I guess it doesn’t matter
@x.x.7646
@x.x.7646 2 жыл бұрын
Learned a lot from him - how to question all my believes and to trust my physical nature.
@icon36936
@icon36936 Жыл бұрын
Yes ug is great. the style of ug is that he falsify all statements of guru (j krishnamurthi, raman. ) by their style.
@MrUnlimitedPotential
@MrUnlimitedPotential 10 жыл бұрын
It is the universe fighting with itself, through us! We are the universe discovering that we are the universe!
@stevenmajewski3870
@stevenmajewski3870 4 жыл бұрын
But at the same time, explain what universe is? Where did it start? where does it end? lol stop asking silly questions and just live!
@zyxwfish
@zyxwfish 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a Watts statement. Is there even a universe there or only a perception of a universe there?
@grosbeak6130
@grosbeak6130 3 жыл бұрын
Everybody would you just shut up here.
@inspiringothers7197
@inspiringothers7197 3 жыл бұрын
@@stevenmajewski3870 Thinking existence had to start shows how behind you still are. Thinking it is a silly question shows us your lack of intelligence and ability to resist the ego, knowledge, etc. Most humans are so bound to their animal nature that no wonder you cannot experience more than karmic cycles, memory. Sad existence really, but that is what your society, science etc has given you since your birth, and you probably love them for ruining your life and limiting it to such a tiny spectrum of existence and experience. It is a sure way to ensure you are always and forever left guessing who you are, thereby you don’t know what you are so trust in others who have ‘studied’ it tell you what you are and how to live what to eat and so on. You have a lot of trust in people that are just as confused and unsure of who they are in reality as you are and are only studying the misinformation of the past and attempting to apply it.
@plutoneptune
@plutoneptune 6 ай бұрын
There's no universe
@1neomonkey
@1neomonkey 13 жыл бұрын
U.G. Krishnamurti was the one person that hit the dislike button. The only person that can debunk himself, I love this guy.
@imalwayswatchingu00
@imalwayswatchingu00 11 жыл бұрын
I love this interviewer, he is so genuine.
@navinkunwarsinghkashyap510
@navinkunwarsinghkashyap510 3 жыл бұрын
What about the interviewee ,?
@YoussefEIdrissi
@YoussefEIdrissi 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, he's very enthusiastic and truly wants to know
@YoussefEIdrissi
@YoussefEIdrissi 2 жыл бұрын
@@navinkunwarsinghkashyap510 for me it was disappointing. He's just like any westerner intellectualizing something that requiers to be lived and experienced and not just mental projections. He's legit about how the body function, but the it's clear that he's discredeting that which he doesnt know aka enlightenement.
@TheyBenefit
@TheyBenefit 2 жыл бұрын
@@YoussefEIdrissi that's a good explanation of U.G. He seems very lost and embracing of our human nature rather than seeking beyond
@rickdeckard1075
@rickdeckard1075 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheyBenefit he broke some part of his brain meditating, leading to his interpretation of existence as a kind of dissociative materialistic robotism...makes alex rosenberg seem warm and fuzzy...this is what drove nietschze nuts, this is the Abyss. its like when sm ppl say "i cant feel god anymore??!!" when they are subjected to transcranial magnetic stimulation or some other brain manipulation, UG existed in a perpetual ketamine hole
@vinodkad6511
@vinodkad6511 4 жыл бұрын
He is saying same as a Advait Vedanti says but in a totally diametrically opposite language. Thats the beauty of Life. It produces seemingly opposites so perfectly like black and white, day and night. Marvellous are the ways of Life.
@baccaratfitness2360
@baccaratfitness2360 4 жыл бұрын
"The search ends with the realization that there is no such thing as enlightenment." UG
@sudhasharma1093
@sudhasharma1093 3 жыл бұрын
But getting this realization is the hardest thing after all. "Word is not the thing".
@robinnizar3555
@robinnizar3555 3 жыл бұрын
@@sudhasharma1093 But how to know if someone is cheating u by saying l’m enlightened and i will help u in getting enlightened. Number of saint’s or baba’s are cheating innocent people by doing it.
@robinnizar3555
@robinnizar3555 3 жыл бұрын
@@sudhasharma1093 But how to know if someone is cheating u by saying l’m enlightened and i will help u in getting enlightened. Number of saint’s or baba’s are cheating innocent people by doing it.
@MirageandReality
@MirageandReality 3 жыл бұрын
If there is no enlightenment would that mean that all these gurus are sociopathic manipulators?. What explanation is there for the etheric energies felt in the body I wonder...
@baccaratfitness2360
@baccaratfitness2360 3 жыл бұрын
@@MirageandReality The question is do you get those energies and feelings by searching for them? Longing for them? It seems like when we look to attain them we’re lost.
@sivasrinivas3716
@sivasrinivas3716 6 жыл бұрын
UG's looks are Grace and Elegance personified! UG's words are fluidity solidified!
@RajivBhole
@RajivBhole 11 жыл бұрын
UG is the only real physicist of the 20th century who based all his research on purely his empirical observations, and not on hypothetical concepts or imaginations. In the end: "Even something as basic as the sense of touch, something we take so for granted, is really just another thought process." Wow! Hats off to u UG! So, unless we empirically observe and understand this basic thought process of the sense of touch, our thinking will never allow us to experience UG's Calamity & Natural State?
@plutoneptune
@plutoneptune 6 ай бұрын
Physics is objective. UG is more like a psychologist or a philosopher.
@preupped6201
@preupped6201 5 жыл бұрын
Many prayers to this wise man, My Master Alone.
@robinpayneguitar
@robinpayneguitar 9 жыл бұрын
A wise man once said nothing.
@34672rr
@34672rr 8 жыл бұрын
+Robin Payne
@34672rr
@34672rr 8 жыл бұрын
j
@yoloname7506
@yoloname7506 8 жыл бұрын
+gm679 this is propably one of the most ironic comments ever.
8 жыл бұрын
Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue. Proverbs 17:28
@kgprasad100
@kgprasad100 8 жыл бұрын
define nothing ??? (Being Silent or UG speaking half an hour )is not saying nothing ... LOL
@Awbrfg55
@Awbrfg55 11 жыл бұрын
Listen, when I first found UG, I got extremely depressed. But now I don't give a fuck about anything. There is nothing. I don't know what to think, what to believe, or even what to say. I am lost and there is nothing.
@drsupreeths4182
@drsupreeths4182 4 жыл бұрын
Awbrfg55 my addiction is coming to end because of ug
@MATvision
@MATvision 7 жыл бұрын
Aren't we all tired of living someone else's life? Shit, my diner is on fire!
@1neinate0
@1neinate0 3 ай бұрын
Your diner is on fire? Did you ever put it out?
@DoeBoi2525
@DoeBoi2525 8 жыл бұрын
the road of enlightenment is paved with paradoxes
@kickerstarter
@kickerstarter 7 жыл бұрын
There is no road
@PatrickBateman1987
@PatrickBateman1987 7 жыл бұрын
shut up
@kickerstarter
@kickerstarter 7 жыл бұрын
Timothy Price sure if u say so
@mohitoness
@mohitoness 7 жыл бұрын
it is a paradox
@slavomirakrasna2111
@slavomirakrasna2111 7 жыл бұрын
There is no road, no enlightenment and no paradox. There is just one lazy thought.
@ravi9973
@ravi9973 9 жыл бұрын
after dwelling sometimes i am nearing close to understand that the thoughts is indeed the time , space and sensation and without the thoughts the body does not have any identification at all..how AMAZING..THANKS UG AND OTHER NON DUAL SPEAKERS.
@paulmuldoon596
@paulmuldoon596 10 жыл бұрын
you experience it too,you just enjoy this style of a guru,your a rebel to the cause you are so aware of,.you are quality to listen too,and jiddu,i love yee both
@alessandrovaccari782
@alessandrovaccari782 8 жыл бұрын
"I WANT TO BE ENLIGHTENED!"... oh, what an unselfish statement...
@autocorrect1790
@autocorrect1790 8 жыл бұрын
the sky is blue. therefore blue is the sky. ==> pleasure creates pain, therefore we like pain. Consciousness is just a state of mind with high mental energy. It is high energy because you drop every useless thought and world model and enter the moment. These thoughts and world models require energy. the create "formulas" to deal with the internal and external world. these formulas are not reality but a small description of it. letting go of it all, and gaining trust, we gain massive amounts of energy and focus. the same kind of energy that kills procrastination and the same kind of energy that diminishes when you are experiencing depression.
@cosmiccreator
@cosmiccreator 4 жыл бұрын
*Thank you so much! Love/Light.* ♥
@surena3727
@surena3727 3 жыл бұрын
so do you agree with ug
@tommyharmon214
@tommyharmon214 2 жыл бұрын
Well said
@RajivBhole
@RajivBhole 11 жыл бұрын
And Jeffry, thanks a ton for guiding this interview so well and for bringing out the best in UG. I sure wish you could get more practical physicists to watch this video and get them interested in UG's solid research work. You can get an idea of what I have discovered about the sense of touch, since I saw this KZfaq a year back, in the video I uploaded on KZfaq last month. Thanks again, UG and Jeffry.
@LoveJungle420
@LoveJungle420 11 ай бұрын
This is a sledgehammer spiritual teaching. Brutal, elegant.
@arawiri
@arawiri 11 ай бұрын
Have you read my book 📙
@wernertrptube
@wernertrptube 12 жыл бұрын
The Self, The I, Thought, Soul, Enlightenment, Inkarnation, all is buried
@ashwinnatarajan5974
@ashwinnatarajan5974 4 жыл бұрын
UG: Why are concerned about enlightenment at all? Him: What else is there to do? :D :D :D :D
@almanashshi
@almanashshi 4 жыл бұрын
🤭
@Sambasue
@Sambasue 3 жыл бұрын
You can only think about enlightenment and then, well, you think there is a you thinking …
@paulhammer1363
@paulhammer1363 2 жыл бұрын
When UG speaks, every sentence contradicts the one before, yet he's always engaging.
@user-mh4sp8gx7y
@user-mh4sp8gx7y Жыл бұрын
With all politeness and humility I register here that there are systematic ways.. luckily UG Krishnamurthy got stumbled into this......
@edwintepuendikum3527
@edwintepuendikum3527 3 жыл бұрын
Very profound message Thanks so much, for sharing 🙏🏿🙌🏿.
@oldschoolrappers9382
@oldschoolrappers9382 3 жыл бұрын
Wow I'm lost for words
@borkapajic4154
@borkapajic4154 2 жыл бұрын
🙏No words could.. nor explanation could.. Reveal God.. Be still..listen.. Truth lS in Silence..Silence Speaks..The unKnown lS unfotold..💖
@taurman
@taurman 11 жыл бұрын
We are IT, IT is, IT will be, It was, and IT is now. We can't be separate from IT. For better or worse or in-between, we make IT what IT IS NOW.
@sunyclime
@sunyclime 8 жыл бұрын
Mishlove looks perplexed, like everyone who hears UG, totally a VOID on his face, like what the hell is this guy taking about.HAHAHAHAHAHA
@jamesjackson5020
@jamesjackson5020 5 жыл бұрын
HA. BOLLICKS
@rat9199
@rat9199 4 жыл бұрын
that's consciousness getting in the way
@bull1234
@bull1234 5 жыл бұрын
"Not to think even when involved in thought." We are phenomenon transitory illusionary and beyond our control....
@OfCourseICan
@OfCourseICan Жыл бұрын
UG: is the Greatest mind bar none. I wish I discovered him 50 years ago.
@archie977
@archie977 9 жыл бұрын
thank you for posting
@themultiverseiscallingbvig4092
@themultiverseiscallingbvig4092 8 жыл бұрын
One has to b tuned in to U.G's frequency to get what he's talking about.The more life experience one has the easier it is to resonate with what U.G is saying.From my point i get what he's saying just fine.Anyone who is in their 20s and listens to U.G,by the time that person reaches 50yrs of age they will have a whole new perception of human existence.Maybe even contrary to what U.G was saying when that person was 20yrs old.What I'm saying is human evolution includes evolution of the human brain as well.The way we use our brain today is different from the way we used our brain when we were first introduced to the use and control of fire.
@daisijazmin
@daisijazmin 5 жыл бұрын
que buen video.desde argentina, buenos aires , los saludo a todos los amantes de U.G.
@kamur
@kamur 11 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed your conversation with Mr Krishnamurti very much.
@aksharma4304
@aksharma4304 2 жыл бұрын
Happy Thoughts, शुभेच्छा।।
@sivasrinivas3716
@sivasrinivas3716 6 жыл бұрын
There isn't ONE single audio or video clip ( UG's own excluded) in the entire KZfaq as profound as this!
@hardysol881
@hardysol881 10 жыл бұрын
this is actually pretty good. I like how he connected consciousness to the physical through the hidden "awareness" dimension
@MrArunavadatta
@MrArunavadatta 4 жыл бұрын
Did he?
@jocelynhenkel4
@jocelynhenkel4 8 ай бұрын
He did do it...quite the clever man...he's so interesting though some people put him down. i end up listening to him and he makes me feel better. Wish I could have been with him when he was alive. At least we have these wonderful interviews.
@imagexr
@imagexr 2 ай бұрын
He unpicked thought with thought itself, quite unbelievable if you understand what he is saying. Profound beyond anything you'll ever hear again
@FreedomAtRisk
@FreedomAtRisk 13 жыл бұрын
thanks for sharing this mishlove
@mrboombasticx
@mrboombasticx 11 жыл бұрын
Just be yourself and don't "believe" anything. Accept everything as you see/experience it, and flow with/in it. Enlightenment is unnecessary.
@smilelikeUmeanit90
@smilelikeUmeanit90 6 жыл бұрын
(y)
@smilelikeUmeanit90
@smilelikeUmeanit90 6 жыл бұрын
You got it man, haha respect...........thank you for this commnet
@4Joo4
@4Joo4 8 жыл бұрын
That interviewer thought this was an interview
@NaturalEarthTones
@NaturalEarthTones 5 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂💪🏼🙌🏼
@2000yearOldYogiAspirant
@2000yearOldYogiAspirant 5 жыл бұрын
What haha I don't get it :P (still thought it was funny)
@kiwanas1430
@kiwanas1430 4 жыл бұрын
Lmaoo
@nagendrareddy815
@nagendrareddy815 4 жыл бұрын
""'''thought""""
@steftharula
@steftharula 3 жыл бұрын
😂
13 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the upload
@luizgoncalvez6931
@luizgoncalvez6931 5 жыл бұрын
Wonderful Awakening talk
@FrankenBeenz
@FrankenBeenz 13 жыл бұрын
fascinating guy ... good interview
@vpdabholkar
@vpdabholkar 4 жыл бұрын
An alternate title to this interview could be "Is there such a thing as enlightenment at all?" (6:04) I feel the exploration of this question is perhaps the most important contribution of this interview.
@MirageandReality
@MirageandReality 3 жыл бұрын
If there is no enlightenment would that mean that all these gurus are sociopathic manipulators?. What explanation is there for the energies felt in the body I wonder...
@vpdabholkar
@vpdabholkar 3 жыл бұрын
@@MirageandReality Good question. There are examples of self-proclaimed "enlightened" Gurus turning out to be frauds and manipulators. However, you are asking, are ALL gurus manipulators? Not sure. Is it possible that this has multiple perspectives? When a vortex in a river carrying a feeling of being independent realizes that it never was separate from the river, from the vortex's perspective is it significant? from the river's perspective is it significant? Like you say, if the effort to outsmart the other or be successful subsides, wouldn't the energy shift? Possible.
@SkateIslam
@SkateIslam 2 жыл бұрын
This guy saying we trying to listen to all the people we have faith in to give us solutions and none of them work. I'm here listening to this guy having faith that he's got some sort of idea that does work... The pursuit of seeking knowledge of the universe is in vain. The question of where thought comes from is made up by thought and we are trapped in thought essentially?
@tommyharmon214
@tommyharmon214 2 жыл бұрын
This is a great interview.
@AXharoth
@AXharoth 11 жыл бұрын
this interviewer deserves respect hes at least understanding something from what UG is saying
@DaiBei
@DaiBei 9 жыл бұрын
You can see on the light in his eyes that he is awake. This is also true for Jiddu. U.G. is fucking around with words to block the stupid mind of seekers, because their thoughts are their obsticle. Jiddu tried with logic to get the same effect. Both where beautiful but their effect on people was too limited because of their word (mind) approach instead of a heart approach. The same with most of the neo-advaita gurus. Many talks themselve to enlightenment, not seeing that they are in a trance of their own mind.
@slavomirakrasna2111
@slavomirakrasna2111 7 жыл бұрын
Their effect on people was too limited?:) Has anyone ever affected you? You are expecting the words of other to perform miracles, while you are slouching on your sofa.
@mohicanmowl
@mohicanmowl 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you professor
@MirageandReality
@MirageandReality 3 жыл бұрын
Both UG and Jiddu were anti gurus, they didn’t agree with being a guru. Heart approaches don’t need any path, you can just sit with nature , often the Bhakti cults use that no-mind approach to brainwash their followers.
@DaiBei
@DaiBei 3 жыл бұрын
@@MirageandReality Both UG and Jiddu where playing the game of being an anti guru, bur were acting as a guru (Jiddu more than UG). A real anti guru doesn't preach. I don't like the Bhakti cults. Real gurus with heart approaches are Ramakrishna, Neem Karoli Baba, Anandamayi Ma and to a certain extent also Ramana and Osho (before Sheela took over when he went to America).
@MirageandReality
@MirageandReality 3 жыл бұрын
@@DaiBei i agree that that jiddu wasnt perfect and was still playing a role of a guru but he was right in his ideas of belief, thought and authority. Osho was a goddam criminal and i agree with K on that. He had children in his ashram having sex with older people and he created sheela, he could have got rid of her. He created a system of robotic idiots that were willing to poison a town among other things. They all did what the crazy woman said because they were conditioned which is exactly what k spoke against.
@DjangoNovo
@DjangoNovo 7 жыл бұрын
I had an idea that U.G. Krishnamurti was an idiot because he sounded bitter. But bitterness is an unavoidable state of being, when you question all the goodness of the world. So today I felt free to listen to him without any prejudice. He is not enlightened and that is absolutely interesting. He doesn't focus on ego (although he does). We are all superior. Don't be afraid of being bitter.
@wdwdHenry9022
@wdwdHenry9022 Жыл бұрын
See talks between bohm and j krishnamurti you will enjoy them a lot
@robertdanielmorris
@robertdanielmorris 9 жыл бұрын
After I heard the first few minutes of this interview, I thought that U. G. Krishnamurthi's ideas were comparable to (basic or early) Buddhism. Later in the interview, UGK says there is no way out of the concomitance of knowledge and consciousness. Thus he seems to hold a form of materialism. There were sages with similar view at the time of the Buddha called Lokavata/Carvata. Buddhism, however, takes a (skeptical) position between essentialism and nihilism. UGK ideas appear to be commensurate with what is called "eliminative materialism," one of the theories in the (western) philosophy of mind.
@zoelaurent9184
@zoelaurent9184 9 жыл бұрын
ug ...un grand humain ...qui m'a marqué en tant qu'homme "ordinaire "que de chaleur se dégageait !!!sans flons flons
@FatDeadElvees
@FatDeadElvees 8 жыл бұрын
+Robert Morris UGK 4 LIFE! RIP PIMP
@Gieszkanne
@Gieszkanne 8 жыл бұрын
+Robert Morris At least it is more consequent with the thought of no self. Because a no self cant be enlightened or seek for it. Who suffer? Freed from what? Buddhism is quite contradictory.
@jamesjackson5020
@jamesjackson5020 5 жыл бұрын
BORING
@concars1234
@concars1234 5 жыл бұрын
@@jamesjackson5020 heh good one
@JagjotSinghNonDuality
@JagjotSinghNonDuality 4 жыл бұрын
Bliss experienced when the mind is silent is not a "sensual" pleasure. In fact, it is not a pleasure at all, it is "nothing". It is similar to deep sleep, but with the awareness that you exist independent of space and time. In this state you can't find where you start and where you end, senses are not engaged, and there is just one thought - that there are no thoughts. This idea about limiting nothingness to sensuality comes mainly from western psychology (freud). But people who have in reality experienced deep restful states (aka "samadhi"') can discern. This misunderstanding comes about when we try to understand subtle phenomenons (like thought & mind) intellectually. However, I do agree with him that a lot of nonsense business is taking place in the name of consciousness, bliss, happiness, and spirituality. I also agree that there is no such thing as enlightenment, mainly because I have seen the predatory nature of these so called enlightened spiritual gurus who sell enlightenment for their own personal benefits.
@alainmaitre2069
@alainmaitre2069 5 жыл бұрын
Thinking and being goes together . Good to think , it is fun to think about the good things . It is also nice to try not to think during a sitting meditation . Walking meditation and mindfulness are very good also .
@MrArunavadatta
@MrArunavadatta 4 жыл бұрын
Thoughtful indeed
@gusmcmanus6159
@gusmcmanus6159 Жыл бұрын
No words for this man. I love him ❤
@GoldenLalonde
@GoldenLalonde 13 жыл бұрын
I remember watching part of this series on Thinking allowed on GA public television when it first aired. There is actually a book compiled of guests who appeared on the show by J. Mishlove out there. Transcripts of Ug's conversation are in the book. I still have it, bought it Soo long ago.
@MO-gf6hu
@MO-gf6hu 2 жыл бұрын
can you imagine a show like this would be on tv everyday ? would solve so much world problems... :(
@mosevondermoos6891
@mosevondermoos6891 Жыл бұрын
@@MO-gf6hu you still think there is a problem,. you should watch it over. this message is for you. not someone else
@joyharmony4449
@joyharmony4449 Жыл бұрын
Great... Beyond mind talking... Thanks for sirs. 👌👍🙏😇
@krissifadwa
@krissifadwa 10 ай бұрын
Not only does this "enlightened" being has no way of telling if they are "enlightened" or not... but also, they don't even care to know what that means.
@MrBeasteye
@MrBeasteye 8 жыл бұрын
I think what U.G. really is trying to say is that without the knowledge, information and concepts we have gathered (which in essence are thoughts/thought patterns) we have no way of seperating ourselves from what we call "thoughts", and without all the mental concepts we cannot say that there is something called a thought. What we are left with is what we call "life". These words of course don't actually mean anything, they are only pointers. There's no doubt that life is some "thing", but once we try to explain it with thoughts, concepts, knowledge through language we have already distorted it massively. With what we call "thoughts" we are only able to dissect the world, but that doesn't say anything about it, it has nothing to do with it. Someone who is enlightened can be in a state where there is no "thought", and can therefore not dissect anything and everything seems to be one thing. From here, what you call as thought and what you call yourself cannot be seperated, and those two don't exist in this context. Same thing goes with experience. For experience to have any meaning you have to have some "thing" to experience and you have to have someone who is experiencing that thing, a reciever. If you do not use any thought or any knowledge that you have gathered, you have no way of saying that there is some external world and you are experiencing it, because everything becomes one and you are basically the experience and the experiencer at the same time. I know this may sound very stupid, but words and sentences are only pointers to what I really mean.
@slavomirakrasna2111
@slavomirakrasna2111 7 жыл бұрын
May I ask where exactly he was saying that without thoughts we can't separate ourselves from thoughts? The experiencer is the experienced as whatever you think of the table is your thought about the table, therefore you, not the table itself. Does it change anything about the actual existence of the table and you? No it doesn't.
@richardgates7479
@richardgates7479 5 жыл бұрын
Isn't he just arguing against current Hindu beliefs? "Thought" is a loose term, without the word "table" it would still be, we just wouldn't have a word for it and so nothing much to think about, and you'd still have to walk around it. One "thought" that everyone is really good at is over-analyzing everything.
@magnified4827
@magnified4827 5 жыл бұрын
It has in roots into aspects such as Ignosticism and Non-Cognitivism.
@Ninja04051
@Ninja04051 5 жыл бұрын
He just wants to say , I looked everywhere and found nothing so stop asking questions because you will find nothing too , just live the way you want suitable
@lun321
@lun321 5 жыл бұрын
They aren't different. U.G was a wannabe J.
@216trixie
@216trixie 9 жыл бұрын
I suffered through the 'calamities' of U.G. In fact they still go on occasionally. Let me say this. I've looked behind all the doors and traveled or overlooked all the paths. U.G. seems to have the final word on these things. I first heard his message when "it" all started but I couldn't quite accept it. Seems I had to go looking and knocking and experiencing by myself. It's all b.s. You don't want 'enlightenment'. Not like I've experienced. Not like U.G. experienced. Just enjoy life and stop asking.
@rickdeckard1075
@rickdeckard1075 2 жыл бұрын
UG was a walking K-hole
@ChromaSkys
@ChromaSkys 4 жыл бұрын
He's right , the world is a great stage , so choose your character and play it well :)
@MDVaashir
@MDVaashir 4 жыл бұрын
What an intellectual 🙏
@chrisanil3506
@chrisanil3506 11 жыл бұрын
Its the same i feel right from my childhood. The thoughts create the world which we live in. Its wonder how we feel we are always jailed in sorrows. See for example, can any mother identify her child when taken away at birth unseen.NO. Its the thought of love feeling for the child which makes her feel sad when something happens. there are lot of people who suffer and who die everyday, nobody cares, they care for their own people right. if you think its yours u feel. same with u. THERE IS NO YOU
@rasowye1139
@rasowye1139 4 жыл бұрын
You ask me, Ashu, What was the first thing that you did after you became enlightened? Laughter. And that’s the thing that I have been doing since then. I cannot laugh before you while telling jokes because that destroys the jokes, but I laugh through you. Mario staggers into his favorite bar and asks for a triple scotch. ”What happened to you?” the bartender asks. ”I am fucking mad!” Mario says. ”It all started late last night. We had been working late and my secretary asked me to drive her home. When I turned on the ignition of my car, the key snapped off in my hand!” ”Oh, that would sure piss me off,” says the bartender. ”No, that didn’t get me mad,” says Mario. ”We just took a cab, went up to her apartment and ate a little snack she prepared. Then she asked me if I would like to lie down with her a while.” ”And then?” asks the enthralled bartender. ”Well,” continues Mario, ”as I unzipped my trousers my bloody fly got jammed and I couldn’t get my pants off!” ”Wow! That would really get me mad!” exclaims the bartender. ”Naw... That didn’t get me mad. We got into it soon enough, and there we were going at it good and strong when all of a sudden there was a key in the latch. ’Quick,’ she said, ’it must be my husband. Hide!’ ” ”Now that’s a real piss-off!” says the bartender. ”No,” says Mario, ”that’s not what made me mad. I had to hide fast. In the cupboard and under the bed were obvious places, so I hung by my fingers out of the window. ’ ”And then?” says the bartender. ”Well, the husband bursts in and yells, ’Where is that sonofabitch hiding?’ And without waiting for an answer he looks under the bed and in the cupboard and then he looks out of the window and sees me hanging by my fingers there with no clothes on.” ”And then?” says the bartender. ”Well, he runs to his cupboard and pulls out a nine iron from his golf bag and with a grin on his face jumps onto the window sill and starts teeing off on my finger-tips, one by one.” ”Jesus Christ! No wonder you are mad!” says the bartender. ”No! That’s not why I am mad!” says Mario. ”It was only when he got down to the last finger that I looked down and realized that I was only twelve inches off the ground! That’s why I am mad!” - OshO Theologia Mystica Chapter #9 I Laughed www.oshoworld.com 🙏🏼😂🙏🏼😂🙏🏼😂🙏🏼😂🙏🏼😂🙏🏼😂🙏🏼😂🙏🏼
@MrUnlimitedPotential
@MrUnlimitedPotential 10 жыл бұрын
Nice! Thanks for your comment! All the best!
@bye7451
@bye7451 3 жыл бұрын
wow ...wasnt expecting professor snape here banging our heads with hard bittter facts
@aeonsleo2
@aeonsleo2 2 жыл бұрын
Self-realization as explained by Ramakrishna Parmahansa, Paramhansa Yogananda and other realised beings is the oneness of the Supreme Conciousness. It is beyond thought and body. If you shut the thoughts and sensations you may just end up in a coma. That is not realization. That is just like death.
@aubekin
@aubekin 8 жыл бұрын
I think I get it. Hard to put in words, but he's a genious.
@aubekin
@aubekin 8 жыл бұрын
You cannot be free if you keep yourself stuck in concepts like gurus or enlightenment.
@aubekin
@aubekin 8 жыл бұрын
I still think you have to have the questioning journey (Krishnamurti prob would disagree) to be free, but there comes time when you have to let go of the tools too.
@alessandrovaccari782
@alessandrovaccari782 8 жыл бұрын
oh no! A genius knows sufference but he keeps apart from. This is real geniality. Salavdor Dalì, exampling, was a fucking genius.
@alessandrovaccari782
@alessandrovaccari782 4 жыл бұрын
@@dariusus9870 for sure, but He got his part of sufference
@Sketcher86
@Sketcher86 4 жыл бұрын
@@dariusus9870 Suffering is the only truth...existance has no meaning and no purpose. There is no heaven or hell or afterlife..everything blacks out once we die.
@gheorghefalcaru
@gheorghefalcaru 5 жыл бұрын
PERFECT!!
@chrisanil3506
@chrisanil3506 11 жыл бұрын
you are always new and fresh if you want, the mind just works based on the knowledge of our previous thoughts, it is you who gives the input, feel fresh, feel happy. If you want a happy world you can build it, if you want a sad world also you can, it's upto you, I can atleast tell this because i felt it the same way, but funny my mind came a longway. Its just the input i gave i think. Think positive there are wonders to see.
@akshurocks
@akshurocks 6 жыл бұрын
27:10 The same pleasure will turn into pain my friend
@joan14u2
@joan14u2 10 жыл бұрын
U will hate everything that UG speaks of if you are not prepared to accept that everything u have believed thus far is not true.
@ferdinandalexander8053
@ferdinandalexander8053 9 жыл бұрын
Right! You have to be prepared to reject everything but not with the intention to get anything. That wouldn't be a total rejection.
@tumusiimejoel8974
@tumusiimejoel8974 2 жыл бұрын
Hahahahahaha
@tumusiimejoel8974
@tumusiimejoel8974 2 жыл бұрын
Hahahahahaha
@atgunchev
@atgunchev 10 жыл бұрын
This is the ultimate message. Nowadays it is transmitted by Tony Parsons.
@davidtaliaferro
@davidtaliaferro 10 жыл бұрын
what is the message?
@1claudiusgothicus
@1claudiusgothicus 8 жыл бұрын
although I have commented harshly on him before, he does have some good points. RIP
@othernewsid2
@othernewsid2 4 жыл бұрын
If you're here, I'd recommend discovering Ramana Maharshi. "no mind; no enlightenment; no liberation". Eventually you would find Adi Shankara, but he might be too "exotic" for the beginner. :)
@MarkOQuigley
@MarkOQuigley 10 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I finished watching that cause I got him at the end. My question is; What would an enlightened Buddhist say to this man? Despite Buddhists normally having a practice I think the enlightened Buddhist would agree with UG. He would continue teaching his practice but he would also agree with UG.
@farionganway1698
@farionganway1698 5 жыл бұрын
True, unfortunately buddhism is too much oriented on tradition and organisation, so it destroys the very essence on what they are teaching.
@2000yearOldYogiAspirant
@2000yearOldYogiAspirant 5 жыл бұрын
There's no such thing as an enlightened buddhist, because to be enlightened means to be free from labels, to be simply a wholly / complete sane human being, or not even that, simply to be. Beingness. Buddhism ends up being the same as all religions, because what happened with it is the same thing that happened with christianity and probably islam. People who don't understand what Jesus etc said and truly meant and so went on to do what crazy humans do.
@patrickbertlein4626
@patrickbertlein4626 5 жыл бұрын
@@2000yearOldYogiAspirant I mostly agree, but partially because I question if enlightenment exists at all. I think it is just an idea created by culture, it does not exist outside of culture. Imagine if we had no concept of enlightenment, would it still exist? How? How could something be natural, innate, if it needs lessons, a model, something to strive for? From certain peoples perception, be they the being who is perceived as enlightened or that being itself, it exists because the idea exists, but the idea itself is a human made construct.
@sreedevia3383
@sreedevia3383 2 жыл бұрын
Great person with great thoughts
@08453300222
@08453300222 10 жыл бұрын
You are welcome. I honestly dont see why your comment got so many negative votes. All the best to you my positive brother.
@unfalsifiable9250
@unfalsifiable9250 4 жыл бұрын
Read: Ashtavakra Samhita
@alessandrovaccari782
@alessandrovaccari782 8 жыл бұрын
I believe that many people here don't accept UG's statements simply because they know he's right. Not ready to accept brutal truth.
@rebel7332
@rebel7332 8 жыл бұрын
+Alessandro Vaccari Same case with philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer. The good fellow is put down as a pessimist. Bullshit if you ask me. He only speaks the truth
@34672rr
@34672rr 8 жыл бұрын
+Alessandro Vaccari No, they just don't understand him. But a lot of things he says are highly debatable to say the least. His concept of pleasure and enlightenment are flawed. I believe this was before the major developments in neurosciences came about.
@34672rr
@34672rr 8 жыл бұрын
+wiremessiah He doesn't speak truth, the only people that speak truth are empirical scientists. He puts an artistic and colorful patina on philosophy and abstractions. I think by his own admission there is no truth to speak.
@34672rr
@34672rr 8 жыл бұрын
2010cyberguy But we can have useful myths and illusions. Even if we know them, just like the placebo effect, which has been proven to work even when the person knows it's placebo. Life is all about the journey, not the destination, because that's only death. But walking on the right path to nowhere is better than the wrong path to nowhere. By "right' i mean the most fulfilling, artistic, lovely, creative, beautiful flower lined path to nowhere.
@34672rr
@34672rr 8 жыл бұрын
2010cyberguy Greatness comes from the perception of greatness. Many people considered great were personally depressed and neurotic or sick. But believe it or not, I think Donald Trump has convinced himself of greatness, even through pure delusion, which says a lot about belief and perception. Someone that says he is the "great super genius of all time" has to believe it, otherwise there is no way they would say it, because if they were not delusional. they'd know no one would take it seriously. Interestingly enough, though, since he does believe it, many of his base does as well, which is self-fulfilling. This is something I have pondered and struggled with in life. Are you supposed to be honest, humble, or braggadocios? I have found in life that when I believe something about myself, like my ability as a musician, others believe it by osmosis. But often if someone praises my work, I get humble about it, and that starts to infect my perception. I even played the same piece for two different people. The first time, was right after I made it, and I was excited about it and the freshness of it, and it rubbed off on the guy listening, who loved it. Later I was more critical of it, because I realized I could do it better. And I played it for another guy with the same tastes, and my disappointment rubbed off on him and he was less than impressed. I would have chalked it up to just two different people in different moods, but i find this kind of thing happens all the time. Rappers have no problem with this, because they are always over the top with the hype and the swagger, and it works. They don't have self esteem problems at least. So I am thinking I need to just call myself the "great super genius musician of all time" and believe it.
@egodust11
@egodust11 11 жыл бұрын
well said. including the rhetorical question. OM!
@filipppipenko9304
@filipppipenko9304 8 жыл бұрын
I love this man
@abhishelke123
@abhishelke123 5 жыл бұрын
My favorite dog is barking :)
@nagendrareddy815
@nagendrareddy815 4 жыл бұрын
This dog barks nicely and truly
@chintamanivivek
@chintamanivivek 4 жыл бұрын
Figure out some way to actually understand what he’s speaking about. Don’t display your misery through your words against someone else
@abhishelke123
@abhishelke123 4 жыл бұрын
@@chintamanivivek you didn't understood my comment bro this comment was expression of my true love for UG
@anshuuu9708
@anshuuu9708 4 жыл бұрын
It's just that we don't understand him our mind is not capable of such profound knowledge.
@anshuuu9708
@anshuuu9708 4 жыл бұрын
Or chizo ko dekhna ka nazariya badlo or badaho ek hi box me secluded mat rho zindai bhar
@dennisblewett5768
@dennisblewett5768 10 жыл бұрын
1:42 Anyone else think this guy looks like Snape from the Harry Potter series?
@Digital-Dental-Designing-Tech
@Digital-Dental-Designing-Tech 11 жыл бұрын
Pain - impermanence - non self, understanding this three things together through own experience brings RADICAL CHANGE AS UG BY CHANCE CAME ACROSS.
@alekid
@alekid 11 жыл бұрын
Brilliant point on Descartes.
@msredpoll
@msredpoll 9 жыл бұрын
People seem to be very critical of what this guy is saying , but I think what he's saying is every bit as credible as anything anyone else has to say on these matters..What he says about our belief in thoughts and other peoples thoughts seems perfectly valid to me. And yes I know my last sentence sounds like a contradiction
@slavomirakrasna2111
@slavomirakrasna2111 7 жыл бұрын
Does it make any difference- whether his words are credible or not? Have you ever changed because of anybody's words?
@carlos66965
@carlos66965 6 жыл бұрын
We all change because of others words. People constantly change based on the words of their mothers or fathers for instance. Really anybody's loved ones.
@alhassani626
@alhassani626 7 жыл бұрын
UG is the only drug I crave.
@indianagency7538
@indianagency7538 4 жыл бұрын
And you still believe in Islam
@hussaindaud1260
@hussaindaud1260 4 жыл бұрын
@@indianagency7538try to look past the name perhaps
@indianagency7538
@indianagency7538 4 жыл бұрын
@@hussaindaud1260 Not just the name, look at his attire.
@hussaindaud1260
@hussaindaud1260 4 жыл бұрын
@@indianagency7538 oh boy. I think you're right.
@Sketcher86
@Sketcher86 4 жыл бұрын
@@indianagency7538 Hahaha he is using UG as a tool to question us.
@Mirrorsinmaya
@Mirrorsinmaya 11 жыл бұрын
Brilliantly anarchic, provocative & humbling.
@salujathustra9905
@salujathustra9905 2 жыл бұрын
What you think you are is not you, and what you are you cannot think, because you already are.
@namero999
@namero999 3 жыл бұрын
UG: Why are we concerned with enlightenment at all? Jeffrey: Well, what else is there to do? Ahahah amazing answer, lovely XD Jeffrey you are the best!
@SahilChavan
@SahilChavan 4 жыл бұрын
In the end there is Nothing you can achieve,And when you realise this you have achieved Everything! Yet Nothing!
@GoldenLalonde
@GoldenLalonde 13 жыл бұрын
ug was very adamant about what he would tell others. people from all over the world came to see him. some just to try and find answers as if he were some enlightened one. but ug insisted that the demand for clarity was what was responsible for all the confusion. he said things that aggravated a lot of people too, he debunked their lifetime beliefs in a matter of minutes. he is often referred to as the great debunker
@laurenharrison4092
@laurenharrison4092 11 жыл бұрын
Krishnamurti is saying "You can't use the mind to solve the problems (all problems) because the imagined problems have been created by that same mind."
@calm_compost
@calm_compost 4 жыл бұрын
Lack of a social life brought me here....😂😂
@beantmander
@beantmander 4 жыл бұрын
isloated from herd of sheeps 😇 you are a lion.
@calm_compost
@calm_compost 4 жыл бұрын
@@beantmander lol.. that would be an insult to the lion... 😂
@FrankiePanaia
@FrankiePanaia 10 жыл бұрын
This "joker" pilfered much of the philosophy of his prattle from the deep metaphysical thought of the other Krishnamurti, once a former friend. UG twisted Jiddu Krishnamurti's logic (especially on the concept of thought) to serve his own numb neo-Darwinist agenda. Ironic that one Krishnamurti turned against another Krishnamurti to become the arch-rival.
@jackcarterog001
@jackcarterog001 10 жыл бұрын
Here's the difference between Jiddu and UG: Jiddu was an adulterer as a supposed "enlightened man" who died in regret saying he wish he could go back and tell people to meditate so that he could see others become enlightened before he died. He died as an egotistical guru and died with regret. UG died without any regret, always saying that he is ready to go at ANY MOMENT, and did not use women who sought him out for sexual purposes. UG didn't even charge people to listen to him speak like Jiddu did! Jiddu was a thief.
@FrankiePanaia
@FrankiePanaia 10 жыл бұрын
UG was a self-absorbed coward, who drank the 'hemlock' because he couldn't handle old age. Again, he gave nothing, but took much from life. Jiddu was an 'adulterer' - hilarious, so the man fucked a married woman, who hasnt! In fact you're' not a 'man' until you have fucked a married woman in my books.
@jackcarterog001
@jackcarterog001 10 жыл бұрын
Frankie, why are you so afraid of UG? Do you look at him and see your own future?
@FrankiePanaia
@FrankiePanaia 10 жыл бұрын
jackcarterog001 LMAO - my future is certainly not rosy by any 'stretch of the imagination'. Though I hardly envision myself lying on a 'Groupie's' couch, shrivelled up like an over-cooked prawn spouting humbug over the futility of my life and that of everyone else. At least I hope I wont...shudder.... In truth UG was little more than a circus-clown parasite, and he used his teleological / ontological (Im being very generous here) prattle to justify his parasitical life-style. In other words: why should I give a flying fuck for my starving neighbour, we're all doomed to die and turn to dust, boo hoo...pass me another bowl of that yummy caviar Groupie!
@jackcarterog001
@jackcarterog001 10 жыл бұрын
Frankie Panaia UG gave $70,000 to a guy that came to see him because he was extremely destitute. UG has always stated that if there is something he can do to help another human being, he would and he lived by those words. The money he had he would give it out to those in need like the homeless, even at the criticism of those he was with. They would ask him why is he giving the homeless so much money whne all they're going to do is buy alcohol or drugs and UG said because it will hlep them forget their pain for a while. UG was not a parasite. He was a good man.
@Kaarthik.Bekkem
@Kaarthik.Bekkem 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing one
@captntwinklestar2568
@captntwinklestar2568 8 жыл бұрын
seems like post-modern philosophy. im pretty sure ug was well studied in the western & eastern philosophical traditions, as i often feel like hes drawing upon things other philosophers like kierkegaard, nietzsche, heidegger, schopenhauer etc. have said. He may not like that fact or deny it and say all philosophy is worthless, but he is practising exactly that: building a structure of thought
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