UGREEN DXP480T Flash NAS Review - The Best SSD NAS Ever?
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With many newcomers stepping into the network-attached storage arena, aiming to compete with established giants like Synology and QNAP, UGREEN’s entry is one of the most confident I’ve seen to date. UGREEN, a brand that has existed for quite some time in the computer accessories arena, seems to have a head start over other brands trying to enter the private consumer cloud and entry-level business market. The NASync series, also known as the DXP series, features an unusually large number of SKUs at launch, offering seven different configurations of storage capacity, internal hardware, and external connectivity. In a somewhat unconventional move, the brand has opted to use the crowdfunding site Kickstarter to launch its new product range. Although crowdfunding for NAS solutions was once rare, by 2024, several mid to high-profile crowdfunded NAS solutions have emerged with varying degrees of success. Predominantly East Asian-based brands often utilize Kickstarter to introduce their products to a Western audience, and UGREEN is doubling down on this strategy. Today, we’re examining the DXP4800 Plus, a 4-bay prosumer solution aiming to change expectations for server value. It boasts high-demand features like a powerful Intel CPU, DDR5 memory, Gen SSD storage, 10GbE, and flexible OS usage. There’s a lot to like here, but is this brand’s first foray into NAS storage worth your investment? And should Synology and QNAP be concerned?
Video Chapters
00:00 - Disclaimer
01:03 - The Start
01:25 - FLASH SSD NAS is so hot right now...
02:32 - Hardware Specifications
03:35 - WHY CROWDFUNDING???
04:20 - Price
04:45 - Relative Size
05:30 - What is included?
06:30 - Why is UGREEN Possibly Different?
08:44 - Design
09:31 - Noise Testing
12:11 - Design Continued
13:45 - The M.2 NVMe SSD Storage Area
16:35 - Ports and Connections
20:19 - Internal Hardware
24:25 - UGREEN NAS Software
26:23 - The WiFi 6E Connection
28:12 - Volume Migration?
30:40 - Security?
33:25 - TrueNAS and UnRAID Use on UGREEN NAS
34:01 - The HDMI Output
35:15 - Performance Testing and Benchmarks
38:39 - Lanes and Exploring with Putty in SSH
41:00 - Internal Performance
42:18 - Verdict and Conclusion
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@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
*IMPORTANT UPDATES* - 1) Power Consumption Tests were removed from this video, as an update to the system services has changed the results and will be revisited in another video very soon. 2) PCIe Lane allocation is under re-investigation, as in post-production I noticed an 8GT/s x4 downgrade that I need to check was unrelated to the tested drive vs system lane allocation. 3) UGREEN states that system optimization is still ongoing and the 10GbE SMB performance will be better in the next large update.
@marcosscriven 2 ай бұрын
I was about to say, saw the "downgraded" scroll by. Thanks for investigating lane allocation properly - this is a real bug bear of mine with the mini PC and NAS vendors hiding these fundamental bottlenecks.
@leonelantonio36 2 ай бұрын
I saw that you said high quality PSU is it sold separately what kind of psu is it I mean the conector 7:17 may be you can elaborate more if its interesting or add affiliate link for that psu in particular! Thanks in advance!
@leonelantonio36 2 ай бұрын
I wonder if those are USB C, or barrel if Barrel they lost the chance to promote the charges 😮 or im am wrong?
@captainsubtext 2 ай бұрын
4 slots: 1+2 are Gen4 with full speed and slot 3+4 are Gen3?! Well I’m disappointed.. I ordered one but hmm 😒
@b4d6d5d9dcf1 2 ай бұрын
Novice here. I don't understand what optimization could possibly be done. If AJA is reporting ~600mbs, and the lanes are Gen4X4 something is seriously wrong .. no?
@LSUEngineer1978 Ай бұрын
Robbie as always you show us all of the incredible new NAS devices. And this is the one small users have been waiting for, too. Great, great video. Cheers.
@johnbeeck2540 2 ай бұрын
Rob another great assessment! I have supported the 4800 plus and anxious to get it!~ Thanks for your honest, deliberate, and detailed video!
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the kind words bud
@danwemet 2 ай бұрын
great review, thanks for all the helpful info and updates on all the ugreen nas news. really excited to get my 480t 👍
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
Thanks man
@JBlongz 2 ай бұрын
This channel is indispensable. Thank You!
@lsbj0rn 2 ай бұрын
This is so great! Love the videos you make about these Ugreen NAS. Really love this model with m2 SSD, and have backed for one on Kickstarter, so its nice to learn the products more and see what they change based on feedback in the close future close to release!
@captainsubtext 2 ай бұрын
I backed also the dxp480t plus but the face at 14:00 made me disappointed 😖
@condon4355 2 ай бұрын
I think your videos are just mega. You help many users, including me, to make the right choice. Your diagnosis is precise and quite accurate and I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart. I have pre-ordered the DXP 4800 Plus and the DXP 480T Plus because of your videos which I find exciting to follow. I think it's great that Ugreen has eased up a bit so that you can install other operating systems such as Unraid or Truenas. Thanks for that and I think your work is just great. 👍👍👍👍👍
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for your kind words. Sadly, I'm British and MASSIVELY REPRESSED, so I am unable to take compliments. Shame really...
@condon4355 2 ай бұрын
@@nascompares But you should know. Thank you and please keep up the good work...👌
@slow_Jo 2 ай бұрын
Just glad that we can install 3rd party OS if UGOS isn't up to the job. It's obvious that UGreen needs more experience building their own systems. Reminds me of all those mini pc vendors releasing their first/second gen products.
@thisisgm21 2 ай бұрын
Thank you reviewing my suggestions! You’re the best
@Danny-ml2ny 2 ай бұрын
For an old man who doesn't speak English like me, it's not easy to follow but I'm trying hard. Thanks for his work on the channel.I ask you if you can tell me about good quality SSDs specifically for NAS with medium and medium/high prices. It would help me a lot. The content he makes on NAS is fantastic 👍🏻
@elmeromero303 2 ай бұрын
Great Update and huge amount of Infos as always 👍 Is the Network Performance with other OS also poor or its only with UGOS?
@MikeyRussell88 26 күн бұрын
I've always had good experiences with UGreen products. So this should be promising.
@JBlongz 2 ай бұрын
I wonder it the 10gbe performance is better on TrueNas, OMV, or Proxmox.
@leakyabstraction 2 ай бұрын
Very interesting product - I've been looking for something exactly like this. To be honest as a consumer user I'm not even that focused on getting top performance out of it. I'd be quite fine with a few hundred MB/s over ethernet via file shares. The main factor for me is the compact size, the quiet operation, the hopefully low idle power consumption, and the flexibility of it as a platform. But, I also have to say that at 800 euros it's getting pretty expensive for a regular consumer who wouldn't use it for work related tasks. And if someone is using it for work, then maybe they'd have a lot more options to look at from more established professional brands.
@FrgottenFrshness 27 күн бұрын
What is the crackling popping sounds while you were doing the fan noise testing???
@BerNieSLU 2 ай бұрын
Great video as usual, this unit can be converted to an unraid server simply by booting with an unraid USB or there are additional steps?
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
There are a few extra steps for other OS', but for UnRAID it's just 2. Usual boot drive change, but also watchdog deactivation and maybe even deactivating slot #5 in bios, unless you want to pull the 2242 drive. Video coming Sunday on this
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
There are a few extra steps for other OS', but for UnRAID it's just 2. Usual boot drive change, but also watchdog deactivation and maybe even deactivating slot #5 in bios, unless you want to pull the 2242 drive. Video coming Sunday on this
@BerNieSLU 2 ай бұрын
@@nascompares WOW! then I will be purchasing this unit if it comes to market, UnRAID server with 4x4TB NVME is more than enough for my travel bag.
@svenasmussen8745 2 ай бұрын
If it could do thunderbolt in client mode then that would be a complete game changer. Like this I dont see the advantage over their other boxes which also have 2 SSDs. Essentially it seems like you are getting 2 SSD slots but losing all the HDD slots. If you could use it as highspeed thunderbolt storage, then that would be really cool for people who edit photos and videos on a macbook or something. Did they indicate if they want to add both ways functionality to the thunderbolt?
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
They state that they are investigating this. But, realistically, it's a massive uphill battle! This is why only QNAP provide this feature (Promise and QSAN tried), as it's super complicated and requires alot of system reverse engineering to commit thunderbolt over ethernet connections. That said, never say never!
@iblackfeathers 2 ай бұрын
kickstarter is the dealbreaker. we’ll see after retail.
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
100% the opinion of like 50% of the audience 25% of the time!
@unwisemonkey2945 6 күн бұрын
do you have any idea when the flash system is being re-stocked? Every time I look they are out of stock :/
@jobasti 2 ай бұрын
Short question: Can we install Debian with Proxmox on it? Or does it have some weird quriks that hinders that?
@5TRM 2 ай бұрын
I would like to know, if I occupy all 4 bays and make a volume with all sdds, is the speed then bottlenecked but the 2 Gen3x2 bays?
@Raintiger88 2 ай бұрын
Great review. I would have preferred that they did PCI 4 x2 lanes for each of the 4 instead of using PCI 3 x 2 for 3&4. I'd probably buy if they had they done that. That said, they've done a better job than the others.
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
Good points all round man!
@jirehla-ab1671 2 ай бұрын
@@nascompares do u know any NAS brands vendors that do allow you to install any operating system on it on the host, not tin a VM or a docker container?
@bluesunsxiv2129 2 ай бұрын
Great video update! Thank you! Feel a little more confident with the kickstarter
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the kind words bud
@v2joecr 2 ай бұрын
I'm wondering about a NAS to put in a car as a media server. After I saw another channel do a video on the FriendlyElec CM3588. I wondered what you thought about something like that. obviously I don't want to use any spinning disks & that one sounded promising. In the car I was thinking videos wouldn't need to go above 720 p.
@kchaney56 Ай бұрын
Yeah, I am saying no to crowdfunding projects.
@craigr7262 2 ай бұрын
What's different on the plus version
@craigr7262 Ай бұрын
What's the difference between the plus version and the regular one?
@bjorksven 2 ай бұрын
If only it was fanless, passively cooled. There's a missed opportunity not making it perfectly silent IMO. The most interesting option I've seen so far is the one LTT looked at recently, the Friendlyelec CM3588.
@mamdouh-Tawadros 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for your review. This kind of storage box, will get down in price, as the nvme and SSD will be more expensive.
@noth606 2 ай бұрын
Ehm, maybe read your comment before posting? You're not making sense, things going down in price while getting more expensive...
@mamdouh-Tawadros 2 ай бұрын
@@noth606 I am sorry for not making myself clear. The SSD and nvme will increase in price, only the box containing them will be lower in price, get it ?
@giovannifrancesco3344 2 ай бұрын
Does this NAS come with intel vPro AMT?
@JohnWashburn-xb7yk 2 ай бұрын
A question I’ve been trying to get into touch with UGreen about there mobile app because I have a question if you know the answer that would be great, will the mobile app automatically upload your phone to the Nas or do you have to upload to the Nas manually? If you have to upload manually will they be implementing it in the future so it will upload automatically? Please let me know
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
Both my UGREEN units are currently doing tests with other OS's for another video, but I am 99.99% sure that the mobile app provides this. Watch this video (already skipped it ahead to the mobile section) and this 7 minute section is all about the mobile app - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j8d8g89llrKmqaM.htmlsi=1b48jAgoj7e41xze&t=1949
@marcosscriven 2 ай бұрын
Betteridge's law - no :) But thanks for the in-depth review.
@xellaz 2 ай бұрын
@nascompares Are those test results using default 8GB RAM or full 64GB RAM? If it's the default 8GB RAM, can you please redo the tests using 64GB RAM? I'm just curious if it will make any difference. Thanks! 👍
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
I can't really publish tests with more member than what users are expecting recieve, as I have to show this system "as is" as much as possible. I get your point though and will try it in the test area when I get a minute next week
@xellaz 2 ай бұрын
@@nascompares Awesome! Thanks! 😁
@paulcotterill7247 Ай бұрын
Can this only be shipped to USA and Germany?
@CraigMcIntosh 2 ай бұрын
Personally due to the fact they did not include the UK in the kickstarter campaign, and since NASCompares is based in the UK and we can't buy it, I am going with the Asustor Flashstore 12 Pro, I recently bouhgt the Asustor Lockstore 4 Gen 2 and I added 4 x 18 Seagate Ironwolf Pro, all for file storage and plex server, and cloud storage, macbook air and macbook pro backups and more storage for my numerous Raspberry Pi setups., as well as home automation. Will use the Asustor Flashstore 12 Pro as a silent Plex server sitting under my wall mounted TV. So Asustor Lockstore 4 gen 2 will have duplicate copy of Plex files for back up.
@gingervspie1118 2 ай бұрын
With ugreen nas lineup are you able in docker to change what storage pool the container lives in?
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
Yes (also, the location of the docker app install)
@ironblader 2 ай бұрын
i´ll stay on my Asustor FS6706T Flashstor 6
@seanlong9049 Ай бұрын
Can you do a quick monthly "this is the one to buy today" video every month? Just a 5 minute blurb with whatever is the best NAS hardware and software to get at that moment (that can actually be purchased retail). That would be super helpful. For a stretch, maybe one consumer level pre-built device (qnap, etc) and one DIY or hack device.
@nascompares Ай бұрын
Me and Ed @ NASCompares discussed this. The issue was always that different NAS are available in different regions, or are priced wildly different in different countries. Maybe we are over thinking this. Will knock my head together with Ed's and revisit this idea. Thanks man
@seanlong9049 Ай бұрын
@@nascompares Great thanks! My thinking is that everyone is always shopping for the next thing, but a monthly update will let the info simmer and when people are ready to pull the trigger and purchase, they'll have a current recommendation in addition to the string of previous recommendations to look at. Fewer regrets, less hesitancy to buy when the time is right.
@donjohnson7801 2 ай бұрын
Will a Thunderbolt external multi-drive enclosure like the OWC Thunderbay 8 work with the UGreen DXP480T through the Thunderbolt connection
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
Bloody good question! I'd say yes (I tried a RAID 0 2 BAY on the 6 HDD NAS). But nothing that requires the OS to run the raid (pwc tends to use software raid software)
@xJI00 2 ай бұрын
On the down side at this point the drives are going to cost you an organ, unless of course you’re happy going back to a tiny capacity NAS. On the plus side, by the time large drives are affordable we might be on version 10 and it will be much improved. Thanks for another nice review it’s good to see where things are going. Will look forward to it becoming mainstream.
@radeksparowski7174 2 ай бұрын
cute, the asus flashstore comes out better pricewise though and is available with 12 m.2 storage slots, the favorite is still the QNAP TBS-h574TX, shiver down my spine if I just think of five 60 TB drives...that would nicely tidy up my hoarding issue......and ruin me financially as a side effect :-D
@TimHunold 2 ай бұрын
CPU bottle neck not an issue for you?
@radeksparowski7174 2 ай бұрын
@@TimHunold is an issue, but is beaten by data density, some time ago there were ExaDrive-s from Nimbus, those were in 3,5" form factor having sata/ahci interface and up to 100TB capacity, for back than approx 40 000 USD/+tax/ upon asking /2016 ish/, currently there are 61.44TB drives with pcie/nvme interface in U.2/U3 15mm, E3.S 7.5mm, and E1.L 9.5 mm form factors, it is freely available in the US for some 4 600 usd /+tax/ and even here in europe for some 5 200 Euro /on 3 pricelists with VAT and free shipping/ so pricey.... that nas and five drives would be some 28 000 euro for 5*60=300 TB raw storage capacity sized like 4-5 DVD cases...... just to fantasize..... smart thing would be of course to use one 15TB drive for some 1200-1400 EUR internally in a workstation utilising the pcie speeds and build two independent nas-es with rotational drives with that capacity for redundancy.....speed would be comparable, and price wise there would be enough spare change to buy a car......
@smudgeous4068 2 ай бұрын
It looks like the SSD area would be better served by housing one single fan that takes up the whole area and can spin much slower for near complete silence with the same CFM. The engineering they chose looks slick to be sure, but I abhor tiny fans
@monkeyrun 2 ай бұрын
Google doesn't use pure SSD for data centers. Anyone could've used SSD drives for NAS if they want to, it's just a lot more expensive than regular spinning disks.
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
All true. But also, they do use more and more SSD at data center level now, but for more PaaS and SaaS ent service use
@aklem001 2 ай бұрын
Could this be used to replace a Thunderbolt 3 10G Ethernet Adapter (and for storage as well of course)?
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
Sadly, not at the minute
@CarlRyds 2 ай бұрын
I'd love to see Synology just copy this device... cos you know DSM is BAE
@xellaz 2 ай бұрын
But their price not so bae~ 😅 I could get a UGreen 8-bay and a 6-bay for the price I paid for my 6-bay Synology DS1621xs+ 🥲
@ralphhuppin8348 2 ай бұрын
It would be interesting how the performance is using UNRAID. if it is better, then its a software problem, if not what a shame
@xellaz 2 ай бұрын
I would Iike a mini-PC version of this with 10GbE, HDMI 2.1, and Displayport 2.0 at the back and USBs, SD-card reader, and thunderbolt 4 connectivity at the front panel. 🥺
@matthewhorwat7540 2 ай бұрын
The ssd screws are so important, you have to mention it twice in a row 😂
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
*points vaguely at Peter pedantic* *Realises it's a mirror*
@xwd4747 2 ай бұрын
Could it be possible to install a different OS (TrueNAS, UnRAID, Ubuntu...) on this UGreen device?
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
100%, video coming Sunday on this specifically
@stow8619 2 ай бұрын
Do you need to still pull the m.2 to install 3rd party?
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
Luckily, no! My video this Sunday will explain it better, but there are numerous ways to avoid this. Also, let's be honest, replacing a 2242 m.2 is a right pain in the arse!!!
@fwiler 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for digging into the hardware and showing internal file transfers. Try unraid with zfs1 of 2 or 3 drives and see how fast it is, just to verify it's not OS/driver related. I think you are correct that the pcie and network are somehow connected to a pcie switch. That would explain the drop. Or that Aquantia nic has incorrect driver. I would pre order one, but can't as not being able to saturate 10Gb is a no go. I think you're beating them up too much on the security part. If account is local then let 3rd party do 2 factor, same with malware, etc.
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
I see you point, but they NEED to be pushed on the question of security. With approx 6K backers and over a month left to get more people on board, security and long term support is paramount!
@overclocked9033 2 ай бұрын
Is the 10Gbps speed bad performance present in the other OS's (unraid truenas etc) ?
@matzoe123 2 ай бұрын
2 German techtubers did some testing. Unraid and truenas seem to be fine: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iKx4hJmDncexopc.htmlsi=rtYNbZP9U8mOPv93
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
No, I got clean full saturation of 10G in TrueNAS scale. I never got the chance to do the same in UnRAID, as I was connected over 1G and running different OS back to back, for a video this Sunday
@James-pf1vg 2 ай бұрын
Any knowledge on being able to get the kickstarter discount prices with shipping to the UK? Currently it only shows USA and Germany.
@tariqmcfadzean8797 2 ай бұрын
That is something I would like to know as well. I really like NASCompare's content, one big reason is because they are UK based.
@CarlMoebis 2 ай бұрын
This guy is a master of stretching a 5 minute video into 45 minutes. He must have repeated that the ssd and i5 fans are separate about 10 times and doesn’t even get into the technical stuff until 17 minutes in. If you like wasting your time then watch this. I guess he’s just trying to game the algorithm at our expense.
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
Umm..who made you watch this?
@CarlMoebis 2 ай бұрын
@@nascompares ummm, who made you read and reply to my comment?
@jodajackson4489 2 ай бұрын
Looks like UGreen could have opted for a single 120mm fan on that bottom cover to cool the NVMe drives.
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
I kinda like the 2 fans tbh, moni PCs tend to use just 1 and have noticed the noise more. Might just be in my head thouug
@jodajackson4489 2 ай бұрын
@@nascompares I might think the same if I had the product to test. One would think a single larger fan would be less audible but a nice fan hum can be downright cathartic for some.
@OistheOne 2 ай бұрын
Another of the channels that got the NAS was able to get higher network speed by increasing the RAM to the maximum
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
Very true, but that's not the default state. Also, the fact this intel 12th gen chip with NVMe at gen 4 internally needs more than 8GB to fully saturate 10G is....odd. I was able to hit 990MB/s with relative ease, using the TS-464 (CELERON, 4GB, 10G card) and the DS1522+ (emb.Ryzen, 8GB, 10G card) with the NVMe on each, as well getting 650-700MB/s with HDDs
@topgazza 2 ай бұрын
Struggling to see the practical benefits of these boxes. Storage size is still seriously limited compared to SATA drives and being quieter can’t be the biggest selling point
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
And speed!!!!
@topgazza 2 ай бұрын
@@nascompares So I guess for small high speed purposes that don’t require much storage and for someone who has very very deep pockets ? 😀 Must be quite a tiny market
@stephenkbolton 2 ай бұрын
Thunderbolt 40g is often thrown around like it's that speed per port. But it's often 40 total throughput. So your discovery of 20 per port is pretty typical to how most thunderbolt operates.
@MasterMind187b 2 ай бұрын
its depends on the device. all apple M Mac with 2 tb ports use a different bus. so you can get 40gbit over every port.
@jonevansauthor 2 ай бұрын
It still bugs me with mini PCs and this, that manufacturers are so wedded to the 4x4x2 (ish) form factor, that you can't just chuck a Noctua fan in them when if it were maybe an inch or so larger, there'd be more than enough room for it. Or just sell the base version, and an upgraded fancy case.
@paulrobinson6297 2 ай бұрын
This looks like a perfect replacement for my aging nas with spinning rust. Shame the kickstarter is US and Germany delivery only :(
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
Yep, bummer!
@raylab77 2 ай бұрын
The seagull was not outside my window? 😂
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
How DARE YOU!
@leakyabstraction 2 ай бұрын
I just watched another review of this, and the idle power consumption was insanely high, 30 watts. It's very disappointing if it will be that high... Arguably it should be around 5-6-8W idle for a device like this.
@sylvain351 2 ай бұрын
hi, which os for the NAS ?
@GroundDwellerStudioS 2 ай бұрын
UGOS
@Makumbi 2 ай бұрын
Quick tech question, why don't people use powered screwdrivers any more? Is there a technical reason?
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
Massively tears the threads to pieces! The screws in most of these devices are tiny cross heads and/or star screws
@waynetaylor2784 2 ай бұрын
@nascompares your buying the wrong electric screwdrivers then, my technicians would strike without em, n we never stripped threads.
@Makumbi 2 ай бұрын
r2784 used to be our fear was, "skating", where the driver pops out of the screw head and goes all over the motherboard destroying the silicone lines. This was early 2000 pc building. But what @nascompares says wasn't on my list.
@marcogenovesi8570 2 ай бұрын
they don't screw that many screws to need a powered tool
@marcogenovesi8570 2 ай бұрын
@@nascompares there are small powered screwdrivers for these small screws with appropriate gears that will stop before breaking the screw. Similar to the big power tool counterparts with the swappable lithium cells that do it for big screws
@segretoesconociuto 2 ай бұрын
Does it have the capability to deploy a Virtual Machine?
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
Only containers currently in the beta
@stmageenz Ай бұрын
down here in New Zealand we have neither snakes nor UGREEN NAS's.
@nascompares Ай бұрын
And oddly, both will kill you if you take them in the bath...
@crate8134 2 ай бұрын
Looks like a great product, I would of bought one but seems they only let Germany and USA back it and get the discounts. Really disappointing that a massive company like Ugreen would use kickstarter, and on top of that making it impossible for other countries is ridiculous.
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, this is really, REALLY odd/annoying
@theroboticscodedepot7736 2 ай бұрын
Did you hire a new video editor? This video had a few weird glitches in it :)
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
Sorry about that bud. This was a heavy vid and one that was edited on/off for a month. I spotted the incorrect 'internal hardware/ ports' one. Can you send me a link to others. No worries if you've already watched etc and no time. Cheers for the heads up regardless man
@theroboticscodedepot7736 2 ай бұрын
@@nascompares It's totally fine! I was just joking with you! Love your videos!
@tehehe5929 2 ай бұрын
It would be great to have 8 drive version even if only 1x or 2x lanes. 4 is a bit too low, nvmes don't have that much capacity.
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
Would need a Xeon at least, or else you won't just lose the lane speed, but also just the sheer overhead handling surely
@tehehe5929 2 ай бұрын
@@nascompares Xeon for eight pcie4x1 drives? Performance wise it's the same as two pcie4x4 disks. Intel 8505 is too much for that.
@giornikitop5373 2 ай бұрын
@@tehehe5929 the main problem is that you have usually only 2 ways of splitting the pci-e lanes in consumer cpu's (something like 2x8+1x4 or 1x16+1x4 etc). most devices end up having to use mux/bridge chips to make it work and create additional bottlenecks+cost. that's where xeons come to play, even if you don't need the extra lanes, they have much more combinations than 2. so, in other words, even if you have enough lanes it doesn't matter, 8x1 is not possible in a consumer cpu, because the cpu itself doesnot support it.
@tehehe5929 2 ай бұрын
@@giornikitop5373 I'm sure hardware oem can manage to change this for a nas. Doesn't seem like something unsurmountable. Remamber that I'm talking about ugreen product here not self built nas.
@romanciesielski10 2 ай бұрын
nice device, except front panel and power button :(
@wisetoad 2 ай бұрын
I don't like that it is maxed out at 16TB of storage.
@shababzy Ай бұрын
It appears that the campaign isn't open for us to contribute from the United Kingdom, but for the United States and Germany only ....am I missing anything here?
@0xKruzr 2 ай бұрын
what they told you about the Thunderbolt ports being "host only" doesn't make any sense. *minimally* , support for Thunderbolt *networking* -- that is, point to point, peer to peer connections between two machines (I guess in "NDIS" mode) should be built into the kernel by default. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it can't just like, become a USB mass storage device, and never would have expected that to begin with. but the idea that it "just can't" make a Thunderbolt-Thunderbolt connection between itself and another host at ~40G for networking doesn't pass the smell test. I suspect someone mistranslated something in emails.
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, they have definitely over promised on this as a "something we are working on" feature. And because it's Crowdfunding, those words need to carry weight to a degree. I hope they achieve it, but I'm pretty doubtful too
@norfolknonsense7578 2 ай бұрын
It's a shame it pnly does host based TB4. I would have loved to connect my Macs to it.
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
It's a big "if" if they can actually accommodate this
@komolunanole8697 2 ай бұрын
cwwk 7840hs followup video when?
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
When there is time! You might need a quick manners check there bud!
@komolunanole8697 2 ай бұрын
@@nascompares sorry, didn't mean to be rude. I appreciate your work, thanks.
@stephenkbolton 2 ай бұрын
Sold until learning thunderbolt can't be used for networking. What a miss
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
Tbh, hardly any brand has successfully managed this but QNAP. A few brands (QSAN, Promise) have tried, but it rarely gets beyond the development stages.
@b00573d 2 ай бұрын
Software looks almost like a Synology copy
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
It is a bit, yeah
@VickyLovesHeadphones 2 ай бұрын
Why would I buy a turnkey NAS solution just to install a 3ed party OS on it? 🙄 I use Synology for their SW, not their HW. Had I wanted to use TrueNAS/UnRaid, I would have gone the DIY route and got better HW for less $
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
Convenience tbh. Plus single warranty point of call
@jodajackson4489 2 ай бұрын
It just occurred to me that one could probably bang in four or five of those NVMe to SATA cards (each usually support 4 or 5 SATA ports) into one of these UGreen models and be able to support something like~25 SATA HDD or ~25 SATA SSDs.
@sedatalizevit51 2 ай бұрын
I wish it has sd card slot. What a miss 😢
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
I mean, it's not a massive deal breaker for many...but yeah, that would have been the cherry
@curtisbme 2 ай бұрын
@35:53 - Wow, that is terrible. Might be OK for a single HDD but nobody is spending the money for a 10gbe NMVE NAS for that level of performance when writing large sequential files. If I got this and didn't see it writing/reading at 900MB/s+ I would assume something is very, very wrong. Until they resolved it, and have proven it isn't some hardware limitation/bad design that can't be fixed with software, I wouldn't fund/order this.
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
Optimization is apparently ongoing. Plus, there are like 4 different firmware's floating around at the minute with reviewers and I've seen users hit 1GB/1000MB/s. But only in RAID use. Not single drives (which tbh should massively hit 1000MB regardless. TBC!
@curtisbme 2 ай бұрын
@@nascompares Yeah, the fact that a single drive can't currently do it, where the NIC should always be the bottleneck, is where I'm wondering if the hardware is limited in the way they linked things like you mentioned. Hopefully it is just software bugs as review highlights it certainly has a ways to go.
@WhiteVaille 2 ай бұрын
really unfortunate that this system just seems like a solution searching for a problem. I'm really not sure I understand what niche role this actually fills. It just seems so half-baked as presented, with the seemingly alpha-state software (same as the other boxes) and the limited PCIe and Thunderbolt functionality, at the price bracket it's being sold at.
@WhiteVaille 2 ай бұрын
(to be fair, I'm also very uneducated about this sort of tech, thus why I come to professionals like this channel for guidance, lol)
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
To be fair, the move towards flash is ramping up considerably. There will be a lot more units like this arriving in the autumn
@rgblack316 2 ай бұрын
CAT 7 isn't a real standard for network cabling. UGREEN are providing a cable that is more than likely CAT 6, or even 5E, and mislabeling like the huge number of sellers on Amazon are currently doing.
@waynetaylor2784 2 ай бұрын
Ahhh yes it is and Cat7 - Has a speed up to 10.000 Mbit/s, 1.000MHz makes big difference in my network , the shielding n frequency way different to cat 6 even cat 6a
@RITPA 2 ай бұрын
Where is the plex testing lol
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
It was published 2 days ago!
@RITPA 2 ай бұрын
@@nascompares I thought that was revieew of the 4 bay. I will check it out.
@bits2646 2 ай бұрын
Too bad it can't utilize tb4 and have DAS functionality, big missed op
@noth606 2 ай бұрын
Obviously not, they are aiming to sell to more than the 20 or so ppl worldwide who'd be interested if it did have that. Price matters, ya know.
@johnroberts2905 2 ай бұрын
Why only shipping to US and Germany? Pointless.
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
I keep having to say this...but.."pointless" is rather strong, right?
@johnroberts2905 2 ай бұрын
@@nascompares Put yourself in the place of someone in the UK who can’t Kickstarter a promising product and will have to wait for a full priced retail unit.
@noth606 2 ай бұрын
@@johnroberts2905 Your point is what? Booooohoooooo, not getting special treatment you don't deserve, and getting the same deal as everyone else - how DARE they?!?!
@mrsaipros338 2 ай бұрын
I'm new to the NAS home desktop servers. But not the concept. I ran my own Telecommunications Company for 12 years serving large corporations. (HPs International Headquarters, Met Life, Ingersoll-Rand, Burns & Roe, etc) basically 1000 employee workstations or more. Retired in 2010. I've been watching your channel nonstop trying to find what I consider "bare minimum" for an NAS setup. Which is 2000TB in a RAID2 configuration based on Blu-ray and 4k Blu-ray disc size. I'm not reducing quality when I rip. That's the point. I buy these formats for the quality. I do the same with music, when I rip CDs it's at 320 unlimited. My music collection is over 7TB alone. I don't care. I want the quality I'm paying for. Otherwise just get crappy streaming services. 3 years ago drive sizes were 22TB. 3 years later it's still the same? WTF is going on. According to Moores Law I should be looking at 96TB drives today? So let me just ask strait out. What's the best way right now to build a 2000TB desktop NAS server? Thanks for your help. Love the videos.
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
This is a biggie. Would you be ok to ping me an email on Robbie at NASCompares?
@ymeshulin 2 ай бұрын
So you don't compress your videos, but you rip your music to MP3?
@noth606 2 ай бұрын
The best and only way to build your NAS is the same as the rest of the stuff in your comment: make it up - aka: pull it out of your bum.
@uwhat1 2 ай бұрын
Fine if you live in the US or Germany otherwise kind of pointless review "Ugreen NA Sync Series on Kickstarter will be available in the following countries: US, Germany"
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
"kind of a pointless review", but strong there!
@editsmith 2 ай бұрын
There seems to be a lot of negativity around the number of reviews for this here, and that it's a kickstarter. To be fair there are lots of reviews on this site for different manufacturers, so I don't see any special treatment of Ugreen. Also, as a video editor this is exactly what I've been looking for, and based on this review, and the fact it's Ugreen, if I could I'd be buying off the kickstarter, but sadly just Germany and US. I understand if you have large amounts of data this NAS would be limiting but as an editor it's perfect, I still have a Terramaster with 24gigs in it to offload completed jobs. I am currently editing off the Terramaster but even with 10Gbe it struggles editing 4K due to the Platter drives.
@faizannabi7540 2 ай бұрын
It should be around $250 not more.
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
I mean...how? Like... seriously, how would that be profitable at all AND remain in any way supported and sustainable?!
@faizannabi7540 2 ай бұрын
@@nascompares The hardware/software is new and unfinished. You don't know how long it will be supported and a well established company crowdfunding it. Also, how do you justify $500 and why one should buy it if it's not affordable why not I make a cheap pc nas or other nas available in the market? I'm surprised you are supporting the current price.
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
How could a company provide the support you are describing if they were selling these at $250? Notwithstanding materials, mass shipping, production, QC and packaging. This is exactly what numerous people said was the earliest sign that Storaxa was dodgy...
@faizannabi7540 2 ай бұрын
@@nascompares it looks like you have calculated product price for them or they paid you well to defend whatever the case.
@logiclust 2 ай бұрын
far from even being useful. the drives are only accessible via a hatch in the bottom of the device??? so one would have to pull the device out of its place, unhook everything and flip it over and.... i wouldn't want one from free.
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
Wow bud.....wow
@ymeshulin 2 ай бұрын
Totally agree. That hatch is likely to only be rated for 1000 opens, which means a maximum of daily drive replacements for less than 3 years...
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
Am I going mad?!? These are not hot swappable, so you would always need to power down anyway. Also, you "wouldn't want one for free" because you need to remove the plate to access the drives?! Already Elon..chill out...
@ymeshulin 2 ай бұрын
@@nascompares I'm just trolling the poor guy, Robbie.
@ThePaulpope 2 ай бұрын
Can you shrill anymore for Ugreen ?.. honestly how about you just say No … I will not “ review” an unfinished non shipping product…. I am really disappointed with your channel lately you might as well just rename it Ugreen
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
Hello again! You realize these reviews are based on user requests, right? Would you rather people engage with Crowdfunding to "buy" a product without evaluation? Just to check, you know the internet and what people like isn't just "you" and "what you like", right?
@ThePaulpope 2 ай бұрын
@@nascompares actually I think you need to say “ nope “ I don’t think anyone should touch this and I’m not doing 40 min interviews with them or many videos on what let’s face it are not actually products…. You’re only as good as your ability to protect your viewership from bad options…. Regardless of you pointing out the negatives in the content it is undeniably total BS to do what is what 6 or 7 videos now ?..on non existent products … you don’t do 6 videos on a new Synology …. Yet you’re giving these people so much space … it’s suss
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
Man, can you explain why you think I should say: "“ nope “ I don’t think anyone should touch this and I’m not doing 40 min interviews with them or many videos on what let’s face it are not actually products…. You’re only as good as your ability to protect your viewership from bad options". Genuinely interested now. Aside from the already heavily signposted crowdfunding, please do justify why you believe that the sentence above should be the response to this product?
@ThePaulpope 2 ай бұрын
@@nascompares because as you have said buried deep in some of your videos none of this product adds up not the least being the dodgy crowd funding … it’s suss as … and frankly I am really suspicious about why you have made so many videos about it. It’s nothing special because it actually does not exist and it really doesn’t exist in the UK so why would you give it so much attention?…. I’m not saying that it’s dodgy but it sure looks dodgy…. A real shipping retail product doesn’t get anywhere near as much attention…. Looks suss
@waynetaylor2784 2 ай бұрын
Really? Best guess ppl maybe afford 4 x 4tb ssd , raid 6 , so 12tb storage. Lol no thanks
@nascompares 2 ай бұрын
Think of the speed though...and the silence....and the bank balance..oh wait
@ajrfilm0110 2 ай бұрын
Convenience and footprint on set / on the move - if I can toss this into my bag and offload footage quickly onto a NAS I can then also edit from, with added benefit of at least a bit of redunancy, I will take it over big heavy spinning disks all the way. Yes, could do a 4-bay with 2,5" SATA SSD too, but at about 3x the volume and close to twice the weight.
@waynetaylor2784 2 ай бұрын
@nascompares Definitely a niche market video editors maybe.. lol speed my diy nas are faster running connect x controllers kioxia ssds
@waynetaylor2784 2 ай бұрын
@@nascompares And I still manage to saturate my network lol
@URackADisciprine 2 ай бұрын
Another NAS without ECC...catering to the least common denominator yet again. Oh, and NO! $779 is not cheap for a NAS like this without ECC. I just built a 2U rack mount chassis, all flash setup with ECC and far more capability for just under $1K US (minus the storage of course). It's really sad that a NAS specific channel like this so easily dismisses the fact that all these systems do not have ECC. Long term storage be damned I guess.
@danielahmadu1788 2 ай бұрын
Can you put your 2u nas on your desk next to a laptop?
@URackADisciprine 2 ай бұрын
@@danielahmadu1788 Well, I could easily do so if I put it into an ITX case. However, I don't do cases. Cases are for kids.
@waynetaylor2784 2 ай бұрын
@danielahmadu1788 Dont need too that's why it's in a rack I can remote in..
@danielahmadu1788 2 ай бұрын
@@waynetaylor2784 The people that these kind of devices are built for don't have that luxury.
@danielahmadu1788 2 ай бұрын
@@URackADisciprine a sign of maturity is being able to understand that everyone's use cases are different when it comes to various devices. If you have the space for a rack and the knowledge to build your own server, then that would outperform any off the shelf device. But then those kinds of devices aren't being built for people like you.
@skypetestanruf 2 ай бұрын
I buy a Nas because of the software. Otherwise I would go DIY.
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