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5 күн бұрын

Day 853.
Today, we bring you updates from the battlefront, analyse suspected Ukrainian ATACMS strike on a Russian space control centre in Crimea, and discuss this weekend’s terrorist violence in Russia’s Dagestan region.
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@jamesbohlman4297
@jamesbohlman4297 4 күн бұрын
The Ruskies are into this game half-a-mil total casualties and they fully mobilized their EMS in Crimea for nine sunbathers on a beach in a war zone. What is wrong with this picture?
@rockyj5047
@rockyj5047 3 күн бұрын
Russia has been waiting 2 years now for civilian casualties it could complain about. It's obviously a joke considering Russia literally targets civilians and has killed thousands since full scale invasion began.
@charliebrenton4421
@charliebrenton4421 2 күн бұрын
Propoganda, Tovarisch, Propoganda. They hoping to cause some protests in US Unis for the poor oppressed ruzzian civilians.
@ronmonks6325
@ronmonks6325 4 күн бұрын
Is Dom laboring under the belief that Ukraine target that beach? Where were the air raid sirens? Why were people on the beach in an occupied war zone? Russia and Russia alone is responsible for any and all civilian casualties.
@roguestorm7rooper451
@roguestorm7rooper451 4 күн бұрын
Totally agree
@casteretpollux
@casteretpollux 3 күн бұрын
Could be the US drones and targetting.
@richardwilson57
@richardwilson57 3 күн бұрын
Remember the controversy around suppling Cluster munitions …… they are banned in most Europeans countries…….. now we know what all the fuss was about
@maryannedouglas
@maryannedouglas 3 күн бұрын
@@richardwilson57 But not Ruzzia, eh bot?
@Chris-bb2cb
@Chris-bb2cb 3 күн бұрын
If i lived in Sevastopol, I would not be going to the beach during a war. 1 mile away from major russian base. It is russia's responsibility to not allow people on a beach 1 mile away from an air base. Crimea is Ukrainian, RUSSIA GET OUT..
@terryross2388
@terryross2388 2 күн бұрын
It is 3 miles away
@Chris-bb2cb
@Chris-bb2cb 2 күн бұрын
@@terryross2388 Ooo that makes it better
@terryross2388
@terryross2388 2 күн бұрын
@@Chris-bb2cb If the US targeting can be off by 3 miles then they should not be targeting at all.
@waynehartley506
@waynehartley506 3 күн бұрын
What would the allies had done of there were Germans sunbathing on Omaha Beach on 6th June 1944?
@The_ZeroLine
@The_ZeroLine 4 күн бұрын
Let’s sit on a beach that literally has an airstrip running through it (look at satellite photos - the airstrip literally runs through the beach) in occupied territory! The very reason they’re comfortable to do this is because they know, unlike Russia, Ukraine doesn’t target civilians.
@moreetapennicott9004
@moreetapennicott9004 4 күн бұрын
Well said
@mike4480
@mike4480 4 күн бұрын
It turns out that the missile that fell on a Beach in Temporary Occurred Crimea was not a 🇺🇦 ATACMS but …. 💙💛💙
@mike4480
@mike4480 4 күн бұрын
military expert Alexander Kovalenko points out that it is too early to draw conclusions, but the picture clearly shows: this is definitely not an ATACMS ballistic missile…..🇷🇺n 9M330…
@drywallsurgeon
@drywallsurgeon 4 күн бұрын
Human shields
@rockyfjord5338
@rockyfjord5338 3 күн бұрын
Exactly the opposite is true. Ukraine committed war crimes early on, murdering unarmed civilians as a false flag, and they continue to bomb civilians as at Belgorod, and now on a Crimean beach. Also Ukraine could not have carried out such a strike without US and/or Nato personnel. Washington IS responsible, though denied same as Nordstream.
@johnwilliams2660
@johnwilliams2660 4 күн бұрын
Look how Russia responded when Finland joined NATO. They moved all their troops on the Finish border to Ukraine. Huh Nigel?
@alberthead4806
@alberthead4806 3 күн бұрын
because they know NATO is defensive, so they now feel safe, where as finland now feels safe as they have NATO support
@RyanBrown-nx8dw
@RyanBrown-nx8dw 3 күн бұрын
U people r gonna lose
@RyanBrown-nx8dw
@RyanBrown-nx8dw 3 күн бұрын
@@alberthead4806 ur not very smart r u
@fredslipknot9
@fredslipknot9 3 күн бұрын
Exactly!
@The_ZeroLine
@The_ZeroLine 3 күн бұрын
I’d edit to say “They transferred all their troops off the Finish border border and into Ukraine because they know NATO isn’t a threat.” because some people are quite dim and won’t even get the implication.
@lorigoetz4078
@lorigoetz4078 4 күн бұрын
🧐Can a baby be an occupier?? No- However, as a PARENT, I question the insanity of taking my baby to a beach near an airfield in the middle of a hot war!! Check yourself before spouting ridiculous rhetoric
@sebastianforbes1
@sebastianforbes1 4 күн бұрын
- that's exactly the reason why half of Ukraine has fled the country, and the other half won't be so far behind them ?
@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304
@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 4 күн бұрын
@@sebastianforbes1 And this will happen in another 3 days time, I suppose?
@burritosls
@burritosls 4 күн бұрын
Which airfield is it from? What kind of hot war? Look at the map where Sevastopol is located and where the front line is located. Learn geography and don't embarrass yourself.
@Wanderer_93
@Wanderer_93 3 күн бұрын
There is no fighting in Crimea and there has never been any.
@timotheusvanesch3959
@timotheusvanesch3959 3 күн бұрын
That was my first thought on that comment as well, indeed.
@guywuytack7099
@guywuytack7099 3 күн бұрын
shooting down a missile, on its way to a military target, over a civil area, obviously endangers civilians which should be avoided. Russian defense is to blame: they knew consequences
@rockyj5047
@rockyj5047 3 күн бұрын
Any other country in the world would be blamed by their citizens for shooting down cluster munitions over populated areas.
@imperatorvespasian3125
@imperatorvespasian3125 2 күн бұрын
the people who fire the missile are to blame, UN already stated this
@Lordnumptynous
@Lordnumptynous 2 күн бұрын
@@imperatorvespasian3125 not when your in occupied territory numbnuts..
@DanKoerner
@DanKoerner 3 күн бұрын
I guess it isn't such a great idea to go sunbathing in an active war zone.
@richardwilson57
@richardwilson57 3 күн бұрын
Crimea isn’t an active war zone ……. Ukraine is…… Crimea is part of Russia (and has been for about a decade)
@phileasler5401
@phileasler5401 4 күн бұрын
Why would those evil people attack Crimea…. It’s like there’s a war or something going on 😂
@datrevmeister
@datrevmeister 3 күн бұрын
LOL i laugh HARD at the russian audacity and the amount of whining by the criminal putin regime!
@terryross2388
@terryross2388 2 күн бұрын
The audacity of civilians to go to the beach on an Orthodox Christian holiday (Pentecost) during hot summer weather. How dare they!!! Did they not realise that this was just begging the US and Ukrainians to attack them with cluster munitions?
@timrobertson8436
@timrobertson8436 3 күн бұрын
Yet another gaseous emission from Fartage with fallout.
@06madmartin
@06madmartin 4 күн бұрын
Lol he keeps his space tracking station in contested land doh
@dtw4326
@dtw4326 3 күн бұрын
Excellent analysis greetings from Australia
@ik9116
@ik9116 2 күн бұрын
Смердючi ублюдки паршиві сбушники на цьому каналі йдіть на фронт і воюйте за неньку бо легко сидіти за комп'ютером та гратися в героїв україни та пити каву в зручних умовах.....підари та підараски бог дай вас всіх шляк наглий трафить курви нікчемні!
@Elongated_Muskrat
@Elongated_Muskrat 4 күн бұрын
Russia claims friendly fire to avoid embarrassing themselves
@KieranLoughlin-yr7jt
@KieranLoughlin-yr7jt 4 күн бұрын
60% of Mariupol saw themselves as ethnic Russian, yet they bomb from day one.
@user-ly8dq9tb8c
@user-ly8dq9tb8c 4 күн бұрын
Back in the 2002 censuses of Ukraine not even 30% of people living in Mariupol considered themselves as ethnic Russians. 80% of them were Russian speakers, however.
@dimas3829
@dimas3829 4 күн бұрын
@@user-ly8dq9tb8c was the question of their ethnicity or nationality in 2002, though? Cause if I'd be living in Ukraine in 2002 as ethnic Russian - I'd call myself Ukrainian too, duh.
@KILABANANA
@KILABANANA 4 күн бұрын
@@dimas3829 why
@Metoo3232-pu2wc
@Metoo3232-pu2wc 4 күн бұрын
@@KieranLoughlin-yr7jt Less than 30% in 2002. UIf they want to be Russian go back to Russia. Lots of US citizens live in Moscow so therefore it's okay for the US to take Moscow and make it the 53rd state by your reasoning.
@user-fx4xg5np1n
@user-fx4xg5np1n 4 күн бұрын
Sunbathers during a war and close to a military base? What are these sunbathers thinking? How arrogant and hypocritical of Russians. They target civilians. If sunbathers get hurt by falling debris why are they lying near a base???? It is clear to me that sunbathing near a military base during a war is utterly stupid on their part.
@ieeba999
@ieeba999 2 күн бұрын
Were the beachgoers Russian citizens employed on nearby Russian bases, arrogantly thinking they could kill and main at will, and not experience return fire?? The Kremlin talks as if the rest of the world are stupid.
@jimbolambo103
@jimbolambo103 4 күн бұрын
Tourists don't visit warzones.
@sebastianforbes1
@sebastianforbes1 4 күн бұрын
- does that mean my visa to Kiev has been cancelled ?
@rettro6578
@rettro6578 3 күн бұрын
Nobody is visiting Israel that’s for sure.
@mike1117777
@mike1117777 4 күн бұрын
Boris said exactly the same thing
@DowntheJunction
@DowntheJunction 4 күн бұрын
I know, I do wish Francis had mentioned that.
@leecudmore-ray6697
@leecudmore-ray6697 3 күн бұрын
Well OOPS. Do we care? Nope. 😅😅
@michaeldarling1759
@michaeldarling1759 3 күн бұрын
War tourism is risky.
@Silures11
@Silures11 3 күн бұрын
If those Russian beach goers choose to use a beach surrounded by military targets, that’s their costly mistake…
@user-ck8kn8gm3x
@user-ck8kn8gm3x 4 күн бұрын
Regards the deaths f civilians due to the attack on Crimea by the Ukrainian armed forces: Why were people lounging on a beach in close proximity to a prime target?
@grantp3911
@grantp3911 3 күн бұрын
Why's it a prime target? I thought the US agreed that Ukraine cannot attack sovereign Russian territory with western supplied weapons, or things would escalate to a point NATO would not be comfortable with. Crimean's voted to rejoin Russia since Crimea was always Russian territory.
@ArmyJames
@ArmyJames 3 күн бұрын
“The war is not meant to be won. It is meant to be continued.”
2 күн бұрын
Blah blah blah blah
@ArmyJames
@ArmyJames 2 күн бұрын
Very intelligent comment.
@barrettzbrowning
@barrettzbrowning 4 күн бұрын
Dom: re Crimea: ‘Babies don’t occupy’ - but their parents do.
@burritosls
@burritosls 4 күн бұрын
Sevastopol residents occupied Sevastopol. OK🤣
@briangriffiths937
@briangriffiths937 4 күн бұрын
ICC issues arrest warrants for former Russian defence minister Sergei Shoigu and chief of staff Valery Gerasimov. The list of war criminals is mounting. Another 2 that will be taking vacations in NK.
@sebastianforbes1
@sebastianforbes1 4 күн бұрын
- and yet, Netanyahu is a modern day Saint ? me thinks your ICC is just as defunct as the EU and NATO..
@burritosls
@burritosls 4 күн бұрын
As long as Zelensky and Biden are not on this list, there is no point in taking him seriously.
@briangriffiths937
@briangriffiths937 3 күн бұрын
@@burritosls They are not committing war crimes, Ivan.
@AK-ej5ml
@AK-ej5ml 3 күн бұрын
Many media organisations talked extensively about the Crimean beach incidence, why?. Russia intentionally targets civilians and it doesn't warrant a mention, one of Ukraine's missiles is destroyed by Russia above a beach and debris hit civilians and it deserves extensive discussion and analysis... is that unbiased reporting? By the way: Dom called it a Ukrainian strike suggesting intent,, it wasn't, it was debris from a Ukrainian missile intersepted missile.
@timotheusvanesch3959
@timotheusvanesch3959 3 күн бұрын
Just means that ruZZians voice in the UN security council is still active. Nothing else.
@richardwilson57
@richardwilson57 3 күн бұрын
The issue was that the ‘debris’ included cluster bomblets that are specifically designed to kill ‘soft’ unarmed targets (humans) en mass ……. US supplied these Cluster weapons and they are banned by most Europeans countries…….. but yeah no big deal -- maybe Russia should send something similar towards Bournemouth beach this summer ….. I’m sure there is defence manufacturing infrastructure somewhere in the vicinity
@rettro6578
@rettro6578 3 күн бұрын
@@richardwilson57💯
@philiplbrown
@philiplbrown 3 күн бұрын
@@richardwilson57 Crimea is a theatre of war. It is a war zone PERIOD. If beach goers take a conscious decision to take to the beach where there are geolocated Russian military hardware, then it is a legitimate target. If there is collateral damage, then so be it. If I choose to relocate and buy a property in a desirous area that has unstable geological properties, ie peat/soil shrinkage, then I must weigh the very real consequences of having my house underpinned at some point and the financial and social costs associated. Those beach goers had the right to choose. Even the Russians have now said beaches close to military activity should be closed to the public. And Crimea along with territories Russia has claimed illegally are part of his SMO.
@terryross2388
@terryross2388 2 күн бұрын
@@philiplbrown No. Crimea is an oblast of Russia and has been so since 2014. Admittedly it unwillingly was part of an independent Ukraine between the years of 1991 and 2014, but its citizens remedied that after the 2014 Ukrainian coup which deposed their president.
@KatharineRydall
@KatharineRydall 3 күн бұрын
Listening from Echo Bay , ON, Canada
@nadenek
@nadenek 3 күн бұрын
A few civvies dead on a beach, meh. I've lost count of how many have died in Kharkiv alone.
@uncletom7877
@uncletom7877 4 күн бұрын
There are many beaches in Crimea why would Russian base operators allow civilians to be that close to legitimate target. Also missle was hit by air defence and a beach was never going to be the target of limited stocks, of an expensive and acurate munition. Russians called US Ambassador and made massive issue because a sucsessful strike hurt them big time. The discussion, and talk of invader babies by Dom is absolute tosh and not worthy of someone who generally has excellent insight !!!!!! MUSCOVY IS NOT THE VICTIM !!!!
@drywallsurgeon
@drywallsurgeon 4 күн бұрын
Human shields
@RyanBrown-nx8dw
@RyanBrown-nx8dw 4 күн бұрын
U british idiots r really asking for ut
@sebastianforbes1
@sebastianforbes1 4 күн бұрын
- "hurt them big time"... what changed on the frontline, another day, another village ?
@3s0t3r1c
@3s0t3r1c 4 күн бұрын
@@sebastianforbes1 not any more.
@andrewbrock4636
@andrewbrock4636 4 күн бұрын
​@@sebastianforbes1long term damage to Russian strategic assets are more important than tactical victories
@APW-ry2ok
@APW-ry2ok 4 күн бұрын
Brilliant move by Putin in North Korea ,South Korea now on the verge of giving weapons to Ukraine. This and getting Sweden and Finland to join NATO is fantastic ! Keep it up Putin !
@sebastianforbes1
@sebastianforbes1 4 күн бұрын
- escalate, escalate... but, don't stop to count the dead ?
@dimas3829
@dimas3829 4 күн бұрын
on a verge? Lmao. South Korea already was supplying Poland with new weaponry, filling Polish warehouses that were emptied to supply Ukraine. Was Putin to ignore that his enemies was already supply by South Korea? Getting aid of North Korea is a given, considering the situation at hand. Sweeden and Finland were long time prepared to join NATO and their military was already trained as part of one, they de facto joined the disgusting agressive alliance long time ago, duh.
@anthonyhulse1248
@anthonyhulse1248 4 күн бұрын
@@sebastianforbes1@sebastianforbes1 The casualty count is easily fixed - Ruzzia, goes home today.
@AkenValle
@AkenValle 3 күн бұрын
Why would they do that? Thanks to Putin stuff that would hit SK, is going to Ukraine. Is win win. Why Ukrobots are brainless?
@timotheusvanesch3959
@timotheusvanesch3959 3 күн бұрын
Cynical, but indeed the boomerang with razor sharp edges he is trying to catch...
@CoffeeCup1346
@CoffeeCup1346 3 күн бұрын
Dom is changing.
@NZM59
@NZM59 4 күн бұрын
The question whether the civilians killed on the beaches of Crimea is morale acceptable is a complex. Who is responsible for what has happened, the cause were Rockets from the US, sent by Ukrainians and taken down over civilian territory by Ruzzian air defense. But who / what is responsible? The occupation of the Crimea? The lack of civil protection by the Ruzzian authorities? The support of Putin by the inhabitants of Crimea? Did the attacking Rocket's had to be taken down over civilian territory? Just to mention some points to consider.... In casuistique the one who starts the chain of events, true?
@philiplbrown
@philiplbrown 2 күн бұрын
They were not inhabitants, but occupiers. Putin ensured Russian civilians relocate to Crimea in 2014 to make it a Russian civilian fortress. Those Russians CHOSE to go to the beach which should have been closed to the public. Geolocated footage clearly shows the extent of Russian military assets in very close proximity to that beach. Furthermore those military assets were not hidden from plain sight. They chose to relax in an area of hot war. Actions have consequences, regrettably tragic for some.
@Lordnumptynous
@Lordnumptynous 4 күн бұрын
7:46 nobody but putler to blame for dead babies Dom..
@The_ZeroLine
@The_ZeroLine 4 күн бұрын
It's almost as if they understand that Ukraine doesn't intentionally target civilians, while dismissing the fact that their crappy orc military does target civilians. They’re just not used to attacks during the day and still sunbathe near a military target.
@dimas3829
@dimas3829 4 күн бұрын
cluster bombs strike is on Ukraine's conscience, non-existent one, that is. Hundred people became a victim of Ukrainian warcrime there, clearly a night and day difference with Russian strikes that hurt a dozen civilians max.
@PalleRasmussen
@PalleRasmussen 4 күн бұрын
Putolini! Hitler wore a shirt and had a very effective military. Meanwhile Mussolini liked the wrestle lion cups barechested and his army got whupped by the Greeks.
@roguestorm7rooper451
@roguestorm7rooper451 4 күн бұрын
💯
@user-hn7ui8mh1e
@user-hn7ui8mh1e 4 күн бұрын
I totally agree, and I am curious as to why the Russians intercepted the missile exactly where doing so would maximise Russian civilian casualties.
@caseytaylor1487
@caseytaylor1487 3 күн бұрын
Two points: Thing 1 - A soldier begging for his life to a drone who cannot otherwise be affirmatively disarmed and taken into custody, is not a soldier surrendering. Once the drone is gone or incapacitated, this soldier picks up his weapons and goes back about the business of killing more Ukrainians. I have zero moral qualms with killing a “surrendering” soldier that cannot be taken into custody. Thing 2 - It is true that if the state apparatus performed as designed, Prigozhin would’ve never even made it as far as he did. And while it’s certainly not a foregone conclusion that he could’ve ultimately been successful, it’s also clear that the state apparatus was largely paralyzed and not operating as designed. Many in command positions were clearly sitting on the sidelines trying to figure out who was going to win so that they could come out to back that one. I believe it’s quite true to say that Putin narrowly escaped what could become a national disaster of one form or another because of Prigozhin’s brazen march.
@drywallsurgeon
@drywallsurgeon 4 күн бұрын
How on earth can people “vacation” in a war zone? Macabre at best. Ignorance is bliss it is said.
@dimas3829
@dimas3829 4 күн бұрын
because they lack alternative and considered that the opposing side was decent enough to not commit warcrime of cluster bombing civilians.
@richardwilson57
@richardwilson57 3 күн бұрын
Russian citizens can no longer travel to European beaches (visas options removed)
@rettro6578
@rettro6578 3 күн бұрын
How can Israeli ravers party next to open air prison and military base? How can Israel out military assets in civilian zones?
@martinalladin8981
@martinalladin8981 3 күн бұрын
It won't let me edit it but that was supposed to say if Vichy French we're on the beach
@The_ZeroLine
@The_ZeroLine 4 күн бұрын
3 days! Oh, our energy infrastructure and clients are gone! Oh, all our foreign investment is gone! Oh, all our trained and educated labor is gone! Oh, we’ve expanded the very organization we used as an excuse to start the war! Oh, we’ve lost our entire arms exports business and been exposed as militarily weak.
@tvd9015
@tvd9015 4 күн бұрын
Excellent summary
@Jo-re2ye
@Jo-re2ye 4 күн бұрын
But we remain first class strategists
@richardmarsden5610
@richardmarsden5610 4 күн бұрын
Yet, Nato still has lost and the western financial system is forever undermined!
@SR71ABCD
@SR71ABCD 4 күн бұрын
@@richardmarsden5610 nope wrong again.
@drywallsurgeon
@drywallsurgeon 4 күн бұрын
“ Let’s vacation “ unreal
@summerbeemeadow
@summerbeemeadow 4 күн бұрын
It would be helpful if some would refrain from nonsensical posts, here.
@sebastianforbes1
@sebastianforbes1 4 күн бұрын
- so long as we don't use words that Farage would use, we can keep up the 'united front' ?
@Bob-nd2mr
@Bob-nd2mr 4 күн бұрын
the Like , Subscribe, View options feed the algorthm and comments also add weighting but only the actual number of comments not the "content". So "nonsensical posts" do not matter except in how many there are. of them. Also, if Likes divided by Views are consistantly greater than 10 % then that's the pass mark which adds weight to the algorithm and the combination of all these simple actions by the world audience has created a new "thing" ...the Ukraine War is the first excursion of this strange "thing" ? God knows what AI will come up with in combination with "nonsensical posts & bots & algorithms" . But the Russsians and Moslems are primitives in this new jungle and the youth with their ready acces to information and their skills at "computer games" all favours the Democracies and is a revolution IMO. Slava Ukraini & Heroyam Slava. .
@user-nc1lb6vl9y
@user-nc1lb6vl9y 3 күн бұрын
Dom, Your question about the moral aspects of who should be hit is clear to Ukraine. Ukraine hits military and support installations. There is no targeting of Russian civilians. That does not mean Russian civilians will not be hit. But it means that during war and missile defenses, Ukraine is targeting items and locations used in Russia's war effort.
@AkenValle
@AkenValle 3 күн бұрын
Lies
@user-nc1lb6vl9y
@user-nc1lb6vl9y 3 күн бұрын
@@AkenValle In what way?
@Prometheus-Unbound
@Prometheus-Unbound 4 күн бұрын
Well if want a moral conundrum to consider how about this one. Western morality deplores civilian casualties so Ukraine must avoid them at all costs including limiting strikes on military targets on Russian or Russian held territories where Russia has placed them among civilians. This would guarantee Russia a safe haven and pretty much guarantee continued Russian aggressive action including strikes on Ukrainian civilians, abuse of civilians in areas occupied and war crimes against Ukrainian soldier. Russia started this, Ukraine has a right to defend itself and unlike Russia, seem to do a fairly good job of observing the rules of war. The Russian state routinely commits war crimes as a matter of policy. Ukraine does not.
@richardmarsden5610
@richardmarsden5610 4 күн бұрын
Ukraine is Russia. It certainly won't remain a U.S. client state for much longer.
@samsungtap4183
@samsungtap4183 4 күн бұрын
Rubbish.
@briangriffiths937
@briangriffiths937 4 күн бұрын
@@samsungtap4183 ICC issues arrest warrants for former Russian defence minister Sergei Shoigu and chief of staff Valery Gerasimov. Eat this Ivan.
@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304
@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 4 күн бұрын
While civilian casualties should be avoided, Ukraine cannot be expected to take into account the incompetence of Russian anti air defenses. If Russian civilians are dying from friendly fire, thats an issue Russians will have to take up with their warlord.
@PalleRasmussen
@PalleRasmussen 4 күн бұрын
​@@samsungtap4183what is?
@albertusman
@albertusman 4 күн бұрын
Crimea is clearly occupied by foreign forces and it's currently heavily contested by the long range weapons of the forces that belongs to that teritory as it's internationaly recognised. Any civilian regardless of the nationality should count on that and care not to be a civilian shield of the combatants' infrastructure. I suppose the people on the Crimean beach had this choice on the contrary to many civilians in Gaza. In case of Gaza there were many excuses how this is unavoidable although those civilian victims had absolutely no choice whether to be o not to be at the particular place and protect their personal safety. In case of Crimea any one mentaly sane would avoid that space in terms of a seaside recreation for the sake of his/her personal safety and any one had that choice. If they were targrted deliberately or AFU had a better choice to effectively contest Russian army assets in Crimea in order to lessen the probabiility of civilian casualities I'd think different. In this case I don't see the point of doubts if we are not willing to let civilians on one side of the war unlimited space to pretend there ain't one.
@CodingForPeace
@CodingForPeace 3 күн бұрын
IMO, a combetant is wearing a uniform or a weapon and is a validt target. Actively supporting said troops by information or ability is a direct threat to defensive troops and will regettably be valid targets indirectly in so the target is to end that and they're a part of it by being from where it happens. Ruzzian natives on Ukrainian occupied lands are part of the occupational culture by means of exploit and are self to blame for being collateral casualties when sunbathing near anti aircraft missiles and jammer equipment. Impact is known to be unpredictable when they work and they bloody well have no place being there in the first place
@robertsteele474
@robertsteele474 3 күн бұрын
Your opinion is as wrong as your alias.
@timotheusvanesch3959
@timotheusvanesch3959 3 күн бұрын
I get your point, but civilians are simply never legitimate targets. Never. Ever. That's why those thousands of glide bombs fired off indiscriminately into Ukraine are 99% war crimes, killing civilians & hitting civilian infrastructure. ruZZia is of a different opinion, clearly: Only théir citizens are no legitimate target. Mais bon. ruZZia is becoming more and more isolated for a reason. I would say: 1st responsible is the ruZZian authorities. Opening a beach resort in-between 2 valid military targets is just plain stupid. And then not warning your population of the dangers is the second mistake.
@grisall
@grisall 3 күн бұрын
Should German sunbathers on the beaches of Normandy on June 6, 1944 be protected from the allied invaders?
@mvjh2277
@mvjh2277 3 күн бұрын
I found the book in background. The Vytautas Epoch in the History of Ukraine (1387-1430) Vytautas the Great ruled Lithuania (and Poland). Anna will need to explain exactly.
@ChorltonBrook
@ChorltonBrook 3 күн бұрын
Farage’s two sided comment reminds be of a way russian trolls often chat. Making it confusing whether vote up of down on a single comment seems to be a ploy.
@philiplbrown
@philiplbrown 2 күн бұрын
Very true. Many of these Russian trolls have nuanced their language instead of being ouright, overt Putin/Kremlin propagandists.
@juanjose9332
@juanjose9332 4 күн бұрын
Slava Ukraini
@ik9116
@ik9116 2 күн бұрын
Смердючi ублюдки паршиві сбушники на цьому каналі йдіть на фронт і воюйте за неньку бо легко сидіти за комп'ютером та гратися в героїв україни та пити каву в зручних умовах.....підари та підараски бог дай вас всіх шляк наглий трафить курви нікчемні!
@TheKievKen
@TheKievKen 3 күн бұрын
“Suspected”? Inappropriate term.
@sergeyakimov2974
@sergeyakimov2974 4 күн бұрын
where is space control on the puclic beach?
@rochcarothers-ts3jx
@rochcarothers-ts3jx 4 күн бұрын
🇷🇺GO HOME
@ik9116
@ik9116 2 күн бұрын
Смердючi ублюдки паршиві сбушники на цьому каналі йдіть на фронт і воюйте за неньку бо легко сидіти за комп'ютером та гратися в героїв україни та пити каву в зручних умовах.....підари та підараски бог дай вас всіх шляк наглий трафить курви нікчемні!
@tracyhowell4371
@tracyhowell4371 3 күн бұрын
Hummm...Putin must have a copy of the Iranian military play book. "How of fight a War while hiding behind Civilians".
@fastmover45
@fastmover45 4 күн бұрын
How long does this take to upload!
@sebastianforbes1
@sebastianforbes1 4 күн бұрын
- they always delay the 'controversial' topics so they don't get shot down by the comments section ?
@pedtrog6443
@pedtrog6443 4 күн бұрын
It's probably KZfaq vetting
@The_ZeroLine
@The_ZeroLine 4 күн бұрын
It’s up to YouRube, not them.
@anthonyhulse1248
@anthonyhulse1248 4 күн бұрын
@@sebastianforbes1@sebastianforbes1 "Shot down" is an interesting phrase, my misinformation friend.
@sebastianforbes1
@sebastianforbes1 4 күн бұрын
@@anthonyhulse1248 - how is it interesting ?
@chrisyoung7157
@chrisyoung7157 4 күн бұрын
Even if Farage has a point, it is a weak one. Ukraine was entitled to make the choices it did and deserves help in it's defence now.
@anthonyhulse1248
@anthonyhulse1248 4 күн бұрын
Just because my drunk uncle is easily triggered doesn't mean it's my fault when he flips out.
@richardwilson57
@richardwilson57 3 күн бұрын
But was it coerced by Boris, Brussels and Washington?
@davidbarry6900
@davidbarry6900 3 күн бұрын
38:20 40:16 The question of where do "sunbathers" fit on the spectrum of participants in the war is a stupid one, sorry Dom Nichols. They are clearly collateral damage, (relatively) innocent civilian casualties. The relevant aspect is that the missiles were NOT targeting them - they were ACCIDENTAL victims who happened to be in the war zone. The responsibility for their deaths is entirely on the Russian side, a) for starting the war, and b) for not keeping civilians far away from military targets. If the Russians wanted to avoid Russian civilian casualties (they clearly don't care about Ukrainian civilian casualties), then they would evacuate the entirety of the Donbas and Crimea - with Rostov and Belgorod regions next.
@ramonf.mcdougall4862
@ramonf.mcdougall4862 3 күн бұрын
I’m really sorry for their demise but Putin is really to blame those civilians should be evacuated.
@coodudeman
@coodudeman 4 күн бұрын
oh good... that Myself person will be there...
@crimeajewel
@crimeajewel 4 күн бұрын
I have been to Russian radar places in Crimea years ago,( before 2012). No hassle in those says.
@timotheusvanesch3959
@timotheusvanesch3959 3 күн бұрын
Back when Crimea was still Ukrainian.
@ik9116
@ik9116 2 күн бұрын
Смердючi ублюдки паршиві сбушники на цьому каналі йдіть на фронт і воюйте за неньку бо легко сидіти за комп'ютером та гратися в героїв україни та пити каву в зручних умовах.....підари та підараски бог дай вас всіх шляк наглий трафить курви нікчемні!
@AngusAbbott-qf8xm
@AngusAbbott-qf8xm 3 күн бұрын
I voted for Brexit BUT do not agree with Farage and his nonsense about NATO expansion being responsible for Putin’s actions
@richardwilson57
@richardwilson57 3 күн бұрын
He didn’t say they were responsible……. He said it laid the ground for a future war…… Ukraine like turkey is geographically positioned to look both east and west……. But Washington and Brussels weren’t up for that ….
@joelturley4847
@joelturley4847 4 күн бұрын
Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
@wesley135
@wesley135 4 күн бұрын
Slava ukraini
@charliebrenton4421
@charliebrenton4421 2 күн бұрын
Farage giving me them Oswald Mosley vibes…
@easymoneeey
@easymoneeey 4 күн бұрын
ruzzia fked around and is finding out
@AkenValle
@AkenValle 3 күн бұрын
What, that they will keep on culling?
@easymoneeey
@easymoneeey 3 күн бұрын
@@AkenValle Culling their own retreating meat wave troops from the rear guard 🤣
@thesceptic1018
@thesceptic1018 4 күн бұрын
If I say it's safe to surf this beach
@DaniEles-rc7ij
@DaniEles-rc7ij 2 күн бұрын
Charlie dont surf.
@takkoii
@takkoii 3 күн бұрын
roland seems to be in love with russia
@kevinjohnson8220
@kevinjohnson8220 4 күн бұрын
I'm looking ahead. I'm worried about Strelkov
@maxlevett7474
@maxlevett7474 4 күн бұрын
He not happy with the food. Not what he`s used to.
@sebastianforbes1
@sebastianforbes1 4 күн бұрын
@@maxlevett7474 - I bet Strelkov has access to a TV and fresh water though ?
@marisabenson1222
@marisabenson1222 3 күн бұрын
The guy responsible for shooting down mh17
@maxlevett7474
@maxlevett7474 3 күн бұрын
@@marisabenson1222 Yes that be him. Igor Girkin (strelkov) He would live longer in a Hague prison & food will be better.
@kevinjohnson8220
@kevinjohnson8220 3 күн бұрын
@@maxlevett7474 he's in prison for criticizing Putin for being too lenient. There are people in Russia who listen to Strelkov. He's a very intelligent and dangerous man. Watch out for him
@WoodFile
@WoodFile 4 күн бұрын
Please give Count Binface Telegraph time equal to all the Farage coverage since times immemorial. Ask him how the ideologies of Enoch Powell and Putin converge, and why Farage is a tea-what.
@anthonyhulse1248
@anthonyhulse1248 4 күн бұрын
try that again in English.
@timotheusvanesch3959
@timotheusvanesch3959 3 күн бұрын
@@anthonyhulse1248 Yep. I was also like: Wait. Whut?!
@WoodFile
@WoodFile 3 күн бұрын
@@anthonyhulse1248 The Soane Museum put out a video a couple days ago, “Ian Hislop on William Hogarth's 'Humors of an Election.' “ There is an absurdity in politics that has always been ingrained in how things get done and not indicative of existential doom. Count Binface talks of the virtues open democracy offers with satire and humor. The Northern Hemisphere on this planet is unacceptably hot and comedy helps cool-down the urge to [redacted]. Outsiders in boats might be understood like NATO as a fear-mongering means to drum up support while distracting from things like accountability and lies. Does the UK lose 350 million Euros a week without CEEFAX?
@pi5549
@pi5549 Күн бұрын
Seems like a long time since the Kerch Bridge got blown up. Just sayin'...
@georgeallcorn6302
@georgeallcorn6302 4 күн бұрын
All victims of war are a tragedy , this to include young men conscripted into Putin's war that are now injured or dead ,
@burritosls
@burritosls 4 күн бұрын
it is NATO's war - they are started all of it
@crimeajewel
@crimeajewel 4 күн бұрын
There are Ukraine videos of Russians surrendering to drones, and following drones back to Ukraine lines. Things different are down to the drones operator.
@RyanBrown-nx8dw
@RyanBrown-nx8dw 4 күн бұрын
Yet ur still losing
@dimas3829
@dimas3829 4 күн бұрын
there are significantly more videos of Ukrainians committing warcrimes of murdering Russians who tried to surrender to the drones, though.
@RyanBrown-nx8dw
@RyanBrown-nx8dw 4 күн бұрын
@@dimas3829 nicely said
@lbierman
@lbierman 4 күн бұрын
@@dimas3829 There would be no war if Russia had not invaded. Putin is the criminal.
@TeeganDuckworth-ko6vs
@TeeganDuckworth-ko6vs 4 күн бұрын
Well what can one say…..KiloMikeRomeo, KiloTangoAlfa, WhiskeyTangoOscar ❤❤❤
@jondoe1622
@jondoe1622 4 күн бұрын
4:28 gee... sounds like the perfect time for a Russian double tap! 🤔 42:15 because someone somewhere re-engaged his services as a political 'consultant'?
@williammorris584
@williammorris584 4 күн бұрын
8:01 ISW has a somewhat different assessment of Russian activity in the north, most recently in their appreciation of June 22: “Russian forces appear to be intensifying the tempo of their offensive operations in Donetsk Oblast while decreasing the rate of attacks in northern Kharkiv Oblast - consistent with ISW's assessment that Russian offensive operations in Kharkiv Oblast are primarily intended to fix and distract Ukrainian forces in order to allow Russian forces to intensify elsewhere in theater.” (ISW, June 22 2024) With respect to the restriction on the use of US munitions, the US apparently would like Ukraine to endure, but not to prevail, in line with the frequent observation that the US wants Ukraine to win in a way that means Russia does not lose. Thus the restrictions to which the client state must adhere, and which change with how Ukraine fares.
@sebastianforbes1
@sebastianforbes1 4 күн бұрын
- LATEST NEWS... ISW added to Mirotvorets ? 🤣
@williammorris584
@williammorris584 4 күн бұрын
@@sebastianforbes1 ISW has gradually transitioned from analysis, to pro-Ukraine, to Ukraine’s cheerleading squad.
@robertsteele474
@robertsteele474 3 күн бұрын
@@williammorris584 Gradually? ISW is run by Toria Nuland's sister-in-law Kim Kagan.
@Anders-fs4ku
@Anders-fs4ku 4 күн бұрын
🇺🇦👍🇺🇦
@rossr6616
@rossr6616 3 күн бұрын
Someone needs to have a look at Farage’s income streams…
@richardwilson57
@richardwilson57 3 күн бұрын
Yeah and how much Boris was paid by USA to fly down to Kiev to ensure there was no compromise…..
@recruitmenttips
@recruitmenttips 4 күн бұрын
The ability to see where our own, and allies foreign policy mistakes have been made and are being made, will determine our ability to make the correct decisions going forward. The political class need leadership as ultimately we will have to negotiate a peace, and total victory for either Ukraine or Russia seems an unrealistic goal.
@heatrayzvideo3007
@heatrayzvideo3007 3 күн бұрын
Slava Ukraine
@ik9116
@ik9116 2 күн бұрын
Смердючi ублюдки паршиві сбушники на цьому каналі йдіть на фронт і воюйте за неньку бо легко сидіти за комп'ютером та гратися в героїв україни та пити каву в зручних умовах.....підари та підараски бог дай вас всіх шляк наглий трафить курви нікчемні!
@SvetlanaRakhim
@SvetlanaRakhim 4 күн бұрын
Hamas tactics of using civilians as a shield for legitimate military targets
@casteretpollux
@casteretpollux 3 күн бұрын
Showing your genocidal tendencies.
@benjaminjames8657
@benjaminjames8657 3 күн бұрын
🇺🇦🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿❤️
@dauharryrahman3398
@dauharryrahman3398 Күн бұрын
The latest news is that Zelensky has declared this war cannot last long nrcause thenumber of raeth and wounded is too great. Can there be any peace without Ukraine losing territory?
@sandybottom6623
@sandybottom6623 2 күн бұрын
Farage wont lead the Tories - that would be barmy. He, and Reform, will displace the Tories.
@lagershutz3527
@lagershutz3527 2 күн бұрын
Can a baby be an occupier? No, but the parents yes!! And they should have thought about that before moving to a territory that is by all means illegally occupied. They took the decision to be in the middle of the war, they pay for their actions.
@emaspork4260
@emaspork4260 4 күн бұрын
Tak prý Ukrajina pomocí US raket zničila ruské vesmírné řídící středisko na Krymu. Hledám někde o tom další zprávu.
@ik9116
@ik9116 2 күн бұрын
Смердючi ублюдки паршиві сбушники на цьому каналі йдіть на фронт і воюйте за неньку бо легко сидіти за комп'ютером та гратися в героїв україни та пити каву в зручних умовах.....підари та підараски бог дай вас всіх шляк наглий трафить курви нікчемні!
@user-hp8kx6dh8x
@user-hp8kx6dh8x 3 күн бұрын
A humble request to European neighbours by Putin🙏 ✌️Peacefully coordinating Ucryain is piggy banking on Uas Uak taxes$ Uas Uak are bumbing from Ucryain bases* Keep away from both$#
@user-hp8kx6dh8x
@user-hp8kx6dh8x 3 күн бұрын
😊😊😊
@sebastianforbes1
@sebastianforbes1 4 күн бұрын
what else are we being lied to about... 31,000 ?
@burritosls
@burritosls 4 күн бұрын
Lots of examples. Once Ukraine shot down a Russian plane that was carrying Ukrainian prisoners of war for exchange. And then they said that it didn't happen.
@Jinrai_
@Jinrai_ 4 күн бұрын
Proof or didn't happen
@ronmonks6325
@ronmonks6325 4 күн бұрын
@@burritosls If Russians ministry of Defense says it's true, it's not. Take it to the bank.
@burritosls
@burritosls 4 күн бұрын
@@ronmonks6325 This is more likely to apply to liars like Jake Sullivan or Kirby. The words of the Russian Defense Minister are as hard as a rock. Everything he says gets official publicity sooner or later, everything is confirmed.
@Kath-nd6pj
@Kath-nd6pj 4 күн бұрын
@burritosls why did tracking show that plane was flying in the opposite direction. Where are the pictures of prisoner passenger bodies on the ground. Why is Russia now quiet about that. Proved it was a plane that dropped off military supplies and was returning Eastwards, that is why.
@bill_and_amanda
@bill_and_amanda Күн бұрын
It's a shame those civilians died but they were in an active war zone on occupied land and Ukraine did not target them, the missile was targeted at a military facility. Russia started the war. Russia stole the land. Russia encouraged civilians to go to the occupied zone. Russia refused to close the beaches. And Russia shot down the missile, which is ultimately what caused the shrapnel.
@myrnaknoche4574
@myrnaknoche4574 4 күн бұрын
So what it's a war.
@dimas3829
@dimas3829 4 күн бұрын
Special Military Operation - in Russia's rhetoric Anti-Terrorist Operation - in Ukraine's rhetoric. Still not a war officially by both sides.
@mfallen2023
@mfallen2023 4 күн бұрын
exactly
@SeemoreDunkan
@SeemoreDunkan 4 күн бұрын
😂😂 “suspected”.. they’re defending themselves from invasion 🎉
@asynchronicity
@asynchronicity 2 күн бұрын
Karma is tricky, eh, Russians…?
@Bob-nd2mr
@Bob-nd2mr 4 күн бұрын
The Like , Subscribe, View options feed the algorthm and comments also add weighting but only the actual number of comments not the "content". So "nonsensical posts" do not matter except in how many there are of them. Also, if Likes divided by Views are consistantly greater than 10 % then that's the pass mark which adds weight to the algorithm and the combination of all these simple actions by the world audience has created a new "thing" ...the Ukraine War is the first excursion of this strange "thing" ? God knows what AI will come up with in combination with "nonsensical posts & bots & algorithms" . But the Russsians and Moslems are primitives in this new jungle and the western orientated youth with their ready acces to information and their skills at "computer games" ...all favour the Democracies and is a revolution in my life time. IMO. Slava Ukraini & Heroyam Slava. .
@QuercusQuest
@QuercusQuest 4 күн бұрын
keep going
@annbjorn
@annbjorn 3 күн бұрын
1 out of 5 will vote for Farage.
@deborahborlase7100
@deborahborlase7100 3 күн бұрын
So many?? 😂
@dustyrhodes8147
@dustyrhodes8147 3 күн бұрын
Not any more: his ignorant, misguided, Russian propaganda was beyond the pale.
@simongardiner1260
@simongardiner1260 4 күн бұрын
2 time
@takkoii
@takkoii 3 күн бұрын
Dagastan is Dagastan it is not russia, stop with that colinial stupidity. the russian federation has 22 independant republics in it.
@DylanOb_
@DylanOb_ 4 күн бұрын
IT WAS US NOT UKRAINE
@paulnickelles207
@paulnickelles207 3 күн бұрын
Who gives a 🎉🎉🎉
@mehorter
@mehorter 4 күн бұрын
Couldn't watch; advertisements every couple of minutes. Unwatchable
@justmehello5543
@justmehello5543 3 күн бұрын
i dont get those
@liamweinberg4902
@liamweinberg4902 3 күн бұрын
Get premium. No ads and it's very reasonable
@darinmeritt3790
@darinmeritt3790 3 күн бұрын
It's a youtube problem with their ad system
@samsungtap4183
@samsungtap4183 4 күн бұрын
Julian Assarge free...the free world rejoices !
@robertdowning903
@robertdowning903 4 күн бұрын
Yet more waffle from Dom Nicholls - anyone else wish he stuck to the updates!?
@mitchellbailey7030
@mitchellbailey7030 4 күн бұрын
#1
@user-hl1dq7nh4d
@user-hl1dq7nh4d 22 сағат бұрын
the lying telegraph ... pro ukie lies ..hahahahahah thats how desperate they are.
@AntonyBlinken-rm2nx
@AntonyBlinken-rm2nx 2 күн бұрын
Pure propaganda
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