Kind of crazy how a year ago the Ode was a solid 64mm grinder and a year later there's so many options. I feel like the market is so saturated with options. It was needed and credit to Lance for making a mega video

Daddy Hoff and Lance, dropping new videos at almost the same time today. Life is good.

Thank you so much for taking so much time and effort to making a huge comparison video like this. These videos are some of the best resources for people getting into the hobby to help figure out where to direct our often limited budgets. You can be sure that this will be an instant recommendation for any of my friends looking at 64mm flat burr grinders for a long long time, even as more grinders enter the market.

Yeeees, almost an hour long! Thank you for this video! I at first assumed it was going to be a roundup of all the grinders you have already reviewed, but it was so nice to see so many new ones :)

Wow, that was an epic tour! About the DF64V: Yes, I only used the v1 control board, 220V. Some stalling on filter setting 600-800 RPM, but none with SSP MP installed. Sounds like it's completely fixed now, which makes it even more appealing.

Thanks for doing this review! Always enjoy your content and attention to detail. I was considering a Lagom P64 but due to a 4 to 6 month wait period I purchased the Moca SD after seeing Tom Poland’s review. I have a Gaggia Classic Pro with a 6.5 spring installed and I’ve had no problems grinding fine enough. I agree about the grind adjustment knob needing better markings. I’d like to go back and forth between Moka pot and espresso sometimes but it’s really difficult to remember settings with the dots. I usually just hold my bottomless portafilter handle while it’s grinding… only takes 5 or 6 seconds to grind 18g. In general, I love the history of the brand, the small footprint and the build quality. (Edit: 6-26-23). I thought I would add that for me, the little grinds catcher works well not being attached. It makes it easier for me to dump and clean it without having to “detach “ it from the grinder base. Since I don’t move my grinder around, this suits me well.

Thank for reviewing these as you have covered grinders that no one else is reviewing as well as the youtube reviewer staples, love your honesty too.

Dang... that Kopi Deva 64 is a thing of beauty! no cords but once a month or so is really nice too!

16:10 Although not Charlie Puth, it is a b-flat (and the wave spring is half a tone higher…bravo for noticing the difference 👏🏼)

Thank you Lance for this video! It helped me buy my next grinder and FINALLY get into the flat burr scene for a reasonably low cost

Never had the opportunity to grind on a Zerno, but I've been able to extensively mess around with the p64 and Acaia Orbit (both editions). Both 64mm grinders are absolutely wonderful. My daily driver is the Lagom P100, its just so great to use. Hoping you release a review soon, Ive seen it in the background in a few of your videos haha. Hoping to try the Zerno soon.

Dang, so many grinders that i've never seen before. Amazing vid as always!

Amazing content! I’m waiting on the 078s as a companion to my Flair 58.

Been using the Kopi Deva for some while and if you immediately when hearing the grinding has finished do som fast on/off then it grinds 20g for about 30-40 seconds if using high rpm. Also recommend using the stand with funnel, then it wont be messy.

Solid rundown... you really provide a ton of useful info

Firstly you say DF64V is brushless, but then you show the brush which comes with it! 😄

I am as excited to watch this as if its a new movie from one of my favorite directors lol. Not even going to buy any of these because i am waiting on my 078 but it is so enjoyable and interesting to watch Lance talk about grinders.

Thanks for this Mega 64 grinder review! Good stuff.. How do u manage to remember all the grinder specs by heart... Amazing!

Came first time to check his review of my grinder. Then came back a couple of times to listen to that beatboxing again ❤❤

Your videos are engaging even for someone who is happy with their set up, I watched the whole video. I do have a couple of suggestions about production: the title does not correspond to the order of presentation (common on KZfaq ), with so many items keeping track of which you are talking about would be aided by the name inserted in the corner of the screen as it is reviewed, consider that when you are standing behind a black grinder (or handling black components) with a black tee shirt it makes items invisible. I occasionally check my grinder retention with a white cup, easier than trying to see what is coming out of the shoot. Keep up the good work.

Thanks for the video Lance, just a tonne of great info. I'm a £$299 064S backer so waiting on that... from my POV, unless dropping north of a grand it still sounds like I made the right choice for my uses! Just hope the longevity is there, but always a risk with KS.

Thanks for the mentions Lance, that's pretty classy I reckon. Appreciated.

Thanks @LanceHedrick for another comprehensive and entertaining piece.. quick question, how did you find the P64? I’m expecting mine in a month

Hello Lance, I'm a first time watcher and you my man are a treasure.. Great presentation and editing. Extremely entertaining but also very informative. Double thumbs up👍👍🎉

Still here with my 54mm Forte BG for pourovers. Great video nonetheless - gotta see what everyone is up to!

21:56 "you can screw from the back or the front it doesn't matter" :D

That hour flew! Loved every minute

Amazing video Lance ! Thanks for the huge effort and the jolt of energy you provide it makes my day better . A little note, I think imho that there is something not right with the Amalfi G64 unit you have, that phalange thing is weird I didn’t see it in other reviews, also it should come with a bellow AFAIK, maybe it’s a defective unit. I trust your opinion, that’s why at first I was excited when I looked at the timestamps and saw (g64) as I’ve seen a couple of great reviews and praises about the final product, and was waiting to see your opinion about it since I planned on buying from a local distributor (as a substitute to my built-in breville grinder).

Hell yeah. Just called in sick today and new hour long Grindr video drops!!

I have received a Kopi Deva since December 2022, now I am very satisfied, my needs at home are fine. Nice design, smart and handy, the grind quality after calibration is very good, but it seems that the Ssp HU is not suitable for me, so I will switch to the Ssp LS.

The Coffee Chronicler just confirmed to me that his unit has the old control board. I'm a bit surprised, to be honest. I thought he had reviewed the latest itineration of this grinder, but I was wrong.

I got df64v and i am very happy! Didnt experience any stalling with the latest board & medium roast.

I managed to install the SSP HU in my LX Italia 65 and the difference is huge. LX is using Eureka standards burrs. So a very good choice. Better quality then Eureka grinders and with the SSP HU, I think competing with the best for espresso. Thanks for the videos, thanks for sharing so much knowledge with all of us and please keep doing them. I love it

Excellent comparison video. Thank you so much! However, none of those grinders are blowing up my skirt.

Love my old. If it had the radial knocker and the grind shoot extended all the way into the cup, 4 no mess, it would be perfect.

This is a big one. 😃 Thank you Lance. 🙏🏻

From personal experience, I can say that the Camperista3D chute for the DF64P (the one that is most commonly cited) does not help with retention or static. It actually worsened both attributes. I was better off with just the stock chute and declumper.

Thanks so much for all your work!

wow i've had too much coffee - that Kopi slam freaked me out lol

15:57 A lot of the DF64V design was borrowed from the Lagom P64. The power button and RPM dial placement, mostly how the top burr carrier sits, and the anti-popcorn device is almost identical to the P64 (on the older version now). I'm impressed they managed get the motor that quiet grinding still sounds louder maybe, but that could be due to the burrs. Some burrs are worse sounding than others (like you mentioned the SSP MP Burrs are high pitch). The DF64V Brush looks like the same brush that came with my DF83, the brush head fell off of it before I even tried using it :D Still use-able and nice they include it.

Stalling? Lance, kindly please, introduce us the the little 98mm white fraulein over your left shoulder, there waiting in the corner?

this was just a fun video to watch, even if i have pietro and am waiting for 078s … thank you ☺️

Makes me pretty happy with my old Ode. One wouldnt expect that making good usable 64mm grinder is so hard. :D

Interesting reviews. What I think is missing is simultaneous review of more classic grinders. I have a manual Ceado that is bomber. What about Eureka? Rocket? The famous Rancillio Rocky? Or amasser at the high end? Prices are in the mid hundreds to 2k for Mazzer and several Ceados. But idea is whether the extra money is worth it. For me, the Ceado was in the $1k, but the motor is so powerful and the grind is so consistent, it is hard to see what more is possible.

I did take my Kopi apart. Good news is the battery is just an RC car battery. Can be picked up at any your hobby store.

Thanks for Sharing 👍

31:00 Option-O Lagom P64, also goes down to either 200 or 300 RPM earlier documentation said 200 now it might say 300 so they might have changed it at some point (or they just didn't measure it correctly? lol) Max RPM is a 'normal' 1400 RPM. Impressive the battery powered Kopi Deva is powerful enough to run at such low RPM though). The Kafatek Monolith Flat goes down to to a ridiculous 20RPM (max is only 800 RPM) Weber Key also does like 30 RPM I think the max on it was like only 150RPM.

After watching Kyle's video, I would go with the New DF64 Version 2. Only a change to a DC motor for sound would be an improvement, but it is the killer 64 grinder. Cost, no object is the Zerno.

Goodness dude, that was fantastic. I love the skits.

Awesome as usual. Thanks Lance!

Without further ado, I'll ado this sponsor intermission 😂 Amazing video as always Mr. Lance, as always!

I went for Zerno Z1 after having watched your video about Timemore Sculptor and hearing you mentioned the Zerno Z1. It was exactly on the closed sell day and I've written to Vel asking about the access code. He answered immediately!

Appreciate your use of unique.

0:00-0:30 Hey Lance: No grinder shaming Dude!!! 🤣🤣🤣

64mm grinders have a huge advantage in that the burr options are much cheaper than 83mm. I would love to see you compare df64 gen2 w/ SSP MP, df64v with DLC and df83v2 with standard Itamill steel burrs as they all start to be in comparable price ranges with those burrs. If df64 + SSP MP tastes as good as df83 + standard burrs, that would be a HUGE advantage in favor of df64 gen2.

Your video entries always get me 😂

Best and moest clear comparison out there. Thanks for you post!

Your face on the sounds. Hugo sounds on F1. All I take from this video ahahah ah and... of course, trying to get my hands on the next Zerno batch ;)

Left no stone unturned as per usual, thank you Lance!

I might have missed it in a video somewhere, but I'd Really like to know how you feel about these grinders vs a lower budget option like the Ubranic 070s with an RPM dimmer switch mod. Is the Urbanic worth getting, or is it just "the best you can do for $180?" Should someone on a lower budget just try to splurge for a more expensive grinder when possible? Currently using a $100 stepless modded Capresso Infinity and haven't gotten beyond "meh" results. End goal is a Gaggia and nice grider, but am hoping to get a better grinder sooner rather than later since I think my grinder is the biggest issue atm.

Great intro. You are the sanitized Dr Disrespect of origin coffee Lance 😉

Would you say there's a significant difference in taste from the df64v to say an original df64 (with italmill burrs) with a modified declumper, or is it mainly the various quality of life improvements you showed? And if there is, is it mainly due to the new DLC burrs (so if you put SSP burrs in both they'd be similar) or internal changes to the design of the grinder?

love how you mentioned the lithium part definitely not ideal to mine / source (on the deva)

the freestyle 'music' was the highlight of the video, not to say the content wasn't good... but the beatbox was ace

I was interested in playing in the 64mm space and the Zerno jumped out as the obvious choice. I have one on order. Nice to hear a little confirmation.

How is the tolerances and alignment on the df64v?

The latest P64 revision IMHO is still the 64mm workflow king. Also, I really like that the P64 RPM can go really low for that pour over clarity and consistency

Me watching videos on single-dosing grinders: 🤤 My on-demand grinder looking at me: 👿

How is the Eureka Oro Mignon XL or SD not in this lineup???

Im stuck on the fence with either the zerno + HU or the DF83 + HU (pretty much the same price in UK) from the description of flavour you made on the 83mm HU in your DF83 video im leaning towards that, but im wondering if the prebreaker on the zerno would bring the 64mm HU closer to that. plus the zerno is sexy as hell, i just don't know what to do >.

Thanks for the vid Lance.

Top tier content brother thank you

I bought the Wilfa (no scales) a few years ago. I still really like it! I know it's not stepless, but for my ignorant ass it's actually nice that I can easily repeat settings.

Been eyeing the itop64 for a while now, and now that sir Lance has basically given his approval, aside from the noise and retention (which can be compensated for by the bellows), I'll be checking it out from my shopping cart.

are those the "for multipurpose" or "for pourover" burrs on the aliex listing of the itop64? Neither look super like the MPs in those pictures

Thank you Lance 😁👍👍 Really appreciate all your great work and advice! How does the DF64V compare to the DF83? Thanks in advance

Thanks Lance! You rock!

Shirt brings me back to the old setup

The DF64P/E grind adjust reminds me a lot of the Eureka grind adjust, but somehow way jankier. If one knows where to look, at their normal prices they're difficult to justify vs an Oro XL imo.

omg! I just found u but I'm already a FAN :D you remind me so much of a friend of mine its amazing

Great video as always Lance! I am curious, do you still like the original version of the DF64? Do you think it still has it's place in the market? I currently have a DF64 V4 with stock burrs and I love it. I guess I will eventually need to buy SSP burrs, but one thing at a time. Cheers!

Hello lance ty for the video. Do you know if you get your hands on the acaia orbit at any time? :-) i am thinking about this one or the zerno.

Apologies if OT, but wondering which grinder(s) if any discussed here might be suitable for Turkish coffee (*extremely* fine grind). I would be most grateful to hear from anyone who has actually tried this, and equally grateful for other affordable (US$500 or less) recommendations.

Once again great video!!!

What a great video!

Oh I miss these long videos. I know change happens but we still need long form Lance!

Thanks Lance. Purchase question? I'm two years in to grinding fresh. Meanwhile I have a Comandante. I manage to get better shots out my PicoPresso than workplace's $4k one touch machine, even when I'm adjusting the water temp and output. Usually, though, I'm using a Clever Dripper, or MokaPot, and recently a V60. Not sure whether it's psychosomatic, but the V60 sometimes seems to taste the sweetest and most interesting. I'm chasing sweetness and to taste more flavor notes, and draw out the uniqueness of, for example a Burundii or Ruwanda light or medium roast. 1. Which burrs do you suggest? Cast Sweet? SSP Multiplurpose? "Brew V2"? I like the concept of Unimodal or HU, but what I've read implies they would limit my options. Once I've chosen the right burrs, would I be able to taste the difference between them living in a Zerno as opposed to in a DF64V or even a Lagom P64? Do you really think the difference between augur/breakers with the Zerno is as impactful as the variable speed motor? (Doesn't the pressure of cracking beans threaten the alignment of the axel of the Zerno?) Help me Lance. Coffee is one of my favorite pleasures in life. What do I buy? Thanks for your videos!

Daddy Hoff. Lolol. I love Lance and James.

Lance, thanks for just being you

ONLY an hour? Slacker... 😅 Thanks for the great content!

You can also include the zf64 the cheapest grind by weight grinder. Aeems no one had a review yet of this grinder

The set screw on the Kopi Deva alone would keep me from seriously considering it. That has no place on a grinder at that price point. Plus, I seriously can't believe an F1 guy would have designed that dosing chamber that requires using a scoop.

Great intro 👌

Where can I buy timemore 064 in Canada?

51:15 that's some pretty bad popcorning though. I'd want to open it, drop the beans in and close it ASAP (But that will turn the grinder off?)

please do a full review of the ITOP 64mm grinder.

Anything with bellows just always makes a mess.

I heard YYZ (from Rush) on that anti-popcorn device.

i guess the next one will be 78mm showdown, that's the one i need hahahahaha

Itop do not manufacture, they are retailers. Several other grinders you present in your channel manufactured by the same company that manufacturer that makes these two. They make over 50 different OEM models and about 100 ODM.