Your mom does.

I guarantee you, these guys know that. Did you honestly believe in your heart that you're the only one who knows how drones work?

You mean overweight loike cops?​@@alfredzig2035

Eh, bring it on. You ever shot teal on a windy morning?

I guarantee you, the video says "training". You learn to shoot 1000 meters by starting at 100. This is the same concept.

Drones are still make alot of noise.

@@trololoev if you hear a drone, it is already too late.

Pretty sure they will come out with a jammer

@@DonutVIP AI is rendering jammers obsolete as I'm typing this.

​@@PeterA650How?

Imagine in WW2 " M1's to the front! "

@@sharonrigs7999 LMAO

That's the civilian designation, it's called the M1014 in the military.

@@Orca19904 They change their name so they can pay twenty times its price. 😇

back of the line soldier and give me 20

It's training. Imagine going to the range to qualify. The targets are stationary paper silhouettes.

More like 100km per hour at least

True, this looks like a start to counter drone training. Hopefully they integrate more advanced courses that include moving targets.

@@facelessman9224 I think if you watched a couple of videos here on KZfaq showing how fast these drones come swooping in, you would understand how silly this training is. The training is intended as a morale booster to make grunts think they can survive a drone attack. In practice, the drone comes in so fast that the targets have no chance to react. It doesn't matter if they are riding on a vehicle, or hiding in a building, or whatever. 8 pounds of plastic explosive is the equivalent of 8 Claymore mines. Even if somebody scored a lucky hit and actually disabled the drone without causing it to explode, you can be sure that there would be 3 or 4 more on the way in moments. Surface-to-air missile batteries are being destroyed every day by FPV drones. You really think a couple of shotguns will make any difference? I certainly don't. The only practical way to stop a drone attack is by jamming its electronic control signal. But apparently that is much harder to do than people think, most likely because the operators can use countermeasures.

Yeah what are they even doing, fpv drones comes at you fast from any angle

Not really... most ppl getting attacked just seem to try and dodge them. It takes discipline to stand your ground and use your weapon, even though this is the best chance u got! That's why they are training on this. To be disciplined in combat u need lots of training.

You hear drones from dozens of meters away.

I think the point is to develop a set of tactics and procedures that have radar guided guns targeting drones and have the solider with practiced skills to take down such a target. Defense are layered, right? You practice and practice, then do war games so there is a skillset available at the forward unit level. Just MHO.

@@christopherwestbrook3534 Es geht nur darum, den Truppen ein bisschen Mut zu machen, dass sie mit Schrotflinten etwas ausrichten können. Dann scheißen sie sich beim ersten Fronteinsatz gegen FPV-Drohnen nicht in die Hosen. Aber die Realität wird sie bestimmt schnell einholen, wenn die Panzerfaust-Gefechtsköpfe an den Drohnen bedeutend schneller auf sie zurasen!

@@FeuerDesSieges There are some footages, where the infantry soldiers just try to jump from the tank to get into a safer area. ...... and the drone follows.

The American command is trying not to think about it.

It's training. Imagine going to the range to qualify. The targets are stationary paper silhouettes.

Laser radar or mm band radar, low power, can detect them well far enough away to deal with them without alerting your enemy, at least until the drone dies, then it is time to move. 30 cal minigun slaved to the radar would have no issue hosing it down. High power laser even more so. You are right about how effective these new toys are but I assure you smart people around the world are working on cheap effective countermeasures. No such thing as a stealthy propeller. That is their weak point. And some people are building flying cars based on the same multiprop system. I can see a flying car losing one engine and plummeting to the ground like a winged duck.

@@Dannysoutherner well, it's understandable. But that's another level. You could easily spot them all and intercept like Anduril and other companies do. On top of that, you could use a jammer or drone rifle and even capture them. But all of that is possible without shotguns, miniguns and etc.

@@Dannysoutherner For all type of radars, lasers, drone busters you need a source of energy...Think about if in the trench you have any? And you are wounded? In this case you are an easy target for any drone, even slow going too.

Всё правильно, только 120 мм мины таскают укроповские Бабы Ёжки по ночам...

You don't have to ask permission to express your opinion. Also, you are stating facts, not opinions, you're 100% correct

" Your not going to shoot down multiple FPV drones flying at 140KM an hour. " shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you are interfering with the circlej....rk. also, there already are AI drones in use in Ukraine and Israel.

Thats why this isnt the only thing that is being developed to combat drones :}

It's better than nothing. Or what else should they use

Well, he shot down multiple skeet-shoot traveling at 60 MPH. Also, no quadcopter on the battlefield goes 140kph. The industry standard Mavic 3 Pro and Air 3, which are the top of the line go under 50 MPH. And no, "Soon they'll use race drones" is not a valid argument, because by that logic, soon they'll use mini kamikaze interceptor drones that launch and ram the enemy drone passively, and without command. It already exists. Finally, this is being done right now as we speak with shotguns in Ukraine, so any criticism of it's validity is invalid. The US is just imitating them for testing and experimentation for the new battlefield. Definitely better ways will be invented no doubt though.

​@@calciumoxide3385 mistakes on training costs a lot of life on battlefield. Just think about this. US - that fuc....n world last hope, if you guys fucked up today, tomorrow all we are stuck in the world of shit.

clay pigeons don't fly like fpv drones. Night and day difference.

@@percyfaith11sum hunters might be able to hit the drones

@@capolean2902 anybody might be able to hit stationary drones, when no one is firing at them.

have you seen the fricking speed of some of these things?

@@percyfaith11 nah im talking about the ones who hunt birds although drones are faster than birds i believe

defensive drones would have to carry an awful lot of tech, making them expensive... drones don't actually stay in sky for very long either. So you'd have to have 1000s of rotation.

It's pointless. The only effective means to stop this is having effective jammers. If not you're sitting ducks regardless if you have a 2000$ shotgun. Theres a reason why Russia and ukraine aren't enlisting the help of trap shooters. Theres no point waving a shotty around at a drone that's 10x faster than a human can follow with a rifle/shotty.. Jammers and or emps are the only future. Destroying all "ground bases" electronics is the only way to get these fpv drones out of the air they'll need troop jammers (part of a soldiers kit) and reaper jammers circling the battlefield doing 360 degree jamming, which will destroy all contact on the battlefield for both sides. I have a feeling conventional warfare is likely to revert back to older styles, like Nam, ww2, Korea... the only way to protect soldiers will be jamming everyone's signal, drones are just too effective, and cheap, in large scale combat to not completely iraticate

@@jlo7770 I saw some of these drones are flying by analogue to get around the jammers, it's an arms race, and they're always one step ahead. You could also fly them by wire too - which again would get you around the jamming.

@@ruzziasht349 Fly by wire limits the distance from the operator to within 500yd, meaning you are inside the range of someone with a scoped rifle

@@pogo1140 TOW Missiles - The BGM-71 TOW is a prominent example of a wire-guided missile. Used extensively by the U.S. military and allied forces, and can travel 3.75 kilometres. No good reason why drones couldn't do the same.

Not all drones are kamikaze. Some are for reconnaissance

Fpvs maybe, this probably works for the annoying ones dangling frags and running reconnaissance.

FPVs are primary used to attack tanks otherwise its usually recon which is unarmed and slower

@@tantoquejodeoiga1197 reconnaissance drones fly much higher

You must get rid of Holly wood or video game mindset. Shotgun are deadly to drone with birdshot. 1 small pallet of the whole buck could fk the rotor and that enough to disable drone.

That has applied to everyone that hasn’t been to war for all of mankind’s existence.

This is the first real bad conflict since WW2 so no one in the last 100 years knows what "real war" looks like. But America has been in conflict of some kind ALL but 27 years of our existence including the "real wars" that went on. War and violence is so glorified in our country that the second we are not fighting someone else we think about fighting each other. So yeah I think we can handle a couple tier 2 militaries like Russia and China.

Moronic comment of the month goes to ramrod9556. Congrats.

You think so? How'd you come to that conclusion Sherlock?

"Wait in training the drone just hovered there"......

It always had a practical application, if you like hunting. Bird hunting specifically.

Dude what's funny is russ has developed underbarrel shotguns for their ak platforms that have a 4-6 inch barrel on them to help with drones. While underbarrel shotguns are not new the need for a longer barrel to make it effective to more than inches is hilarious

Do you mind telling me what country you are in and your language? I don't recognize your written language. Thanks! 😊

その距離まで近づかせてくれる -マヌケな- オペレータが居るかどうかですね

小型ドローンは低空飛行も可能ですから発見するのは困難でしょう。あるいは数百メートルに高度を上げて接近するして爆弾を投下かもしれません。また、接近したあと急加速することも可能です。 クレー射撃のように発射口が分かっていて軌道の予測が出来る訳でも無いでしょう。 射撃の腕を上げることは悪いことではないでしょけど戦場で様々なドローンに対応するのは難しそうです。

Many prefer to just drive faster than 50 mph offroad to evade drones than try to shoot them with the shotgun. Suspension can be repaired (many, many times), drone damage often fatal.

That would be easier because the target is getting closer. There`s a reason you`re typing that on a keyboard and they`re out there doing it....

@@ec6052 says you - you seen footage of how fast those fpvs come in? veterans say they cant even hear them coming until theyre maybe 20 metres away from you and with how fast they go they're practically on top of you by then. there's a reason why so much is being poured into EW jamming equipment or things like M-LIDs, because the rate things are going some emergency shotguns aren't going to be enough to shoot something the size of a human hand travelling at 150km/h im not trying to be a prick or knowitall, i just hope our militaries are ready for when russia pursues the expansion against its neighbours that it's be proclaiming it will over & over for the last 20 years - i dont want our generation or our children getting slaughtered because we're not learning from the war in ukraine

@@MrJ0lly You definitely don't come off as a knowitall... More like a Nottaclue lol They have multiple ways to fight drones. Just like they have multiple ways of engaging jets, but SOP when they're diving in and you have no cover is to shoot back. Might not seem likely but a platoon shooting at a specific target has a high probability of at least hitting it and they're doing 140kmh before they leave the ground. Just because we train for one possibility doesn't make it the only option lmao

@@ec6052 all i said was they should be trying to train against fpvs and not slow moving targets & you're literally proving the point - yes it's doable but it has to be trained for it's one video, maybe it's the next step, whatever - i just hope that we're ready it's all well & good saying a platoon's concentrated fire vs 1 fpv etc. but you can see in Ukraine it doesn't work like that. 1 a platoon isn't just bunched like this, they have to have much spacing to avoid artillery, there are teams advancing, supressing, doing all kinds of different roles that need to be done against the enemy in front of them 2 it's obviously heading to a direction where drone attacks are a squadron of fpvs hitting targets at once - this is already begining to happen as drone warfare is more integrated - the more ordinance brought on a target, the less concentrated the defensive fire, the more likely the drones are to get through

@@MrJ0lly Yes, we've understood that principle since it was written in Rogers Rules of Ranging, predating the nation... lol But being spread out 10m isn't going to effect our ability to shoot at the sky🤦...😂

Agree there got to be a better way if you 300 of these cheap drones coming at you

@@Rumwhiskey at the moment, i don't think there really is a viable way to counter it. Like the "cope cages" and turtle tanks, this is just stopgap measures until you have an actual countermeasure. It's better than nothing, but not ideal whatsoever.

​@@antoneriksson356there isn't, even the jammers are in their infancy... basically EVERYONE was caught sleeping on this.. I'm sure jammers are the next "nuclear weapon" in military science. Every major country needs to devise a way to get 500$ drones out of the air their only option right now is bulky "jammer guns" and small arms fire. Emps and jammers are the future, downing drones for everyone

It is probably not the most effective method but definitely the most affordable way.

I also thought of this remedy a while back. The lifers in the Pentagon are sometimes a little slow to catch on!

That's the first thing I thought of what else would work any better.

Only works if they are close.

​@@dtengineering1Well, munition type drones obviously need to get close to their target in order to hit it.

A shotgun has way more range than video games suggest. It's not like they're only effective at point blank range

how do you think people duck hunt?

@@bradarndt5636 ducks don’t have bombs on them

@@donh1572 probably better using flamethrower

Don't worry bro, if China goes off in the pacific there will be a lot of countries helping out I think. They're effectively surrounded on all their ports and in the beginning of conflict their oil pipe lines will be severed, and the southern countries will block any ships coming from the middle east. The Phillipines were smart to renegotiate their position on having us bases in their country, you'll have the best trained armies in the world helping you and every other small country in the pacific out. I see mass conflict with china/north Korea vs the rest of the pacific Islands being a horrible idea. Just look at the 3 lines of defense the US has in the pacific. China would have to hit every base and every ship simultaneously with a whole lot of firepower to knock the us out of the fight. Us should start the "pito" the pacific version of nato. Pacific countries allied with the us and the us's allies would be a massive deterrence to China/North Korea doing anything silly in the pacific.

@@jlo7770 ❤🙏🇺🇲

My dad was stationed in the Philippines at Clark Air Base in WWII. His great grandson is in the US Army currently. 😊

It's training. Imagine going to the range to qualify. The targets are stationary paper silhouettes.

As an army veteran you have got to train somehow. Got any better ideas.

So, hidding from drone eyes must be first especially from thermal drones.

Exactly. But shotguns are the cheapest anti-drown weapon you can find.

@@calciumoxide3385 Any gun can shoot at drone if you see it first. The problem is not how to shoot a drone but how to discover it first and soon enough to react. Thermal/optical sights can only cover in their FOV while radar has trouble to tell which is the drone due to them being small and flying low.

After watching numerous videos of fpv drone attacks, I am certain that trained 'anti-drone' gunners, armed with proper weapons can eliminate most FPV drone threats! Have you ever shot skeet?

@@j.b.macadam6516 nice joke

God made all people from one man, Adam. All people are brothers. Unfortunately, the lying and corrupt clirgy is silent about this. They even bless racists and nazis in the name of God. The problem is that the Devil rules the world. He is a liar and a murderer. This is why deception and violence are everywhere. This is the reason why people cry over stray cats and hate their brothers. This is the reason why Hitler got the power, but Christ was executed as "blasphemer" and "rioter" by denunciation of clergy. This is the reason why the whole world is Sodom. That's why we have the Gospel about the Kingdom of God. Jehovah will put everything in order. He has anointed the king, Jesus Christ. The dead will rise and we will meet our loved ones again! :-)

"Muzzleloader or Mini gun" 1. Buy ammo, not toys . 2. Become intimate with your weapon, research 'what, where, why are there are associated failures. (If any). 🇺🇸

Nah benelli has this handled. ;)

Yup.... preety sure the Drones doesn't stay STATIONARY

It's training. Imagine going to the range to qualify. The targets are stationary paper silhouettes.

​@@oddy5705It's training. Imagine going to the range to qualify. The targets are stationary paper silhouettes.

That is the scary future.

@@Kr0N05 Imagine your several million dollar team getting obliterated by a dozen few hundred dollar drones... ill dig a tunnel and start the secret mole man society, f the sky...

Glad I got out in 2010, did 2 tours and happy they can't ever recall me. Semper fi to the new Marines.

@@DanMorgan-bh5fv Me and all my friends were going to join but decided not to, glad i didnt for a myriad of reasons, looking at it now seems the entire force is made up of people only wanting citizenship/college/money and people who just want violence's... its a soulless machine

Drones: moves in swarms Also the Drones: unaware of something called a LMADIS

確かにイベントとか国際会議みたいな大っぴらに武器を表に出しづらい場合とか、命中しなかった弾丸が危険な場面はドローンバスターの独壇場かもしれんですね

対策できるまでは人力でどうにかする（犠牲は仕方ない）ってことなんでしょうねぇ

固定翼タイプで大型の物ならともかく、速度の遅い小型のマルチコプタータイプだと一部ローター損失で一気にバランス崩して落ちる 実際ウクライナ・ロシア双方で小火器で結構墜としてるからそれ相応の効果はある。

@@4423boizyaでも民製品だと1mも満たない大きさのものが80km/hで動いてる訳でしょ？ まず索敵が厳しいし、見つけてもそんな小さくて高速で移動する物に偏差射撃かまして落とすのとか難易度高杉晋作だわ。 飽和攻撃されたら絶対被害出る。

@@simanekop 逆に”飽和攻撃しないと”効果が出ない状態にできるのであればそは迎撃の効果が出てる所為でもある。 いくら単価が安くても膨大な数を供給運用するのはそれ相応に難しくて そこに個別のドローン対抗手段が出てくれば低価値目標であっても攻撃コストが上がっていくので 攻撃手段としてのドローンにも当然限界がでてくる。 実際既にウクライナだけでも毎月1万機のペースでドローンは投入し消耗してるけど、対抗手段と装備が時間の経過と主に充足してきて以前ほどの戦果は出なくなってきてる。

You should get your eyes checked, most of them where moving.

@@msjkid14 you should go watch some drone attack vids in the Ukraine war

Agreed, most were NOT maneuvering. So it made them an easy target. Also, notice this was all day time, where is the video of them shooting them down at night? Those guys skeet shooting, talk about reaction time. The speed of those when they come out is damn FAST.

Have you ever operated a small drone?

@@trvman1 If it is at night you basically have no counter measure. The best way is not to directly confront drones. Hiding is the best way to stay alive.

They're having a really hard time hitting stationary drones. I don't think the mark 1 eyeball is going to be very effective. I think radar guided guns and directed energy weapons are going to be the future.

Yup....Youre simple obviously...

So they should throw rocks?

@@tm5123 That seems a little high tech for me. I was thinking they could just employ a laser stare to scare the drones off. Maybe even shout.

I was thinking lasers from space guided by GAINS/GPS technology, but yea... simple too.

Time to bring back marksmanship training.

It's just "trench gun". In fact, there are unverified rumors that WW1 doughboys used trench guns to detonate or deflect German stick grenades thrown at them.

@@christopherwang4392 "PULL"!

When did the shotgun go away? I was offered one in the mid 90s.

Time to bring back Nintendo Duck Hunt!

まだコンセプトモデルだけどエイブラムスXには2:50のM-LIDSとおなじM230チェーンガンベースのRWSが載ってる。 他国の次期MBTのコンセプトモデルもそんな感じ

普通の散弾銃で十分じゃない？

@@umiushi11 歩兵ならともかく戦闘車両乗員が自ら目標視認して頭出して撃つのは色々不便だし危険

@@4423boizya どうやって見つけるか…でしょうね。接近してくるドローンを…

双眼鏡で謝って太陽見て失明とか聞いたことありますか？

Lasers. Simple, pocket-sized lasers to destroy the cameras.

exactly why we have drone jammer buggies.

bird shot works pretty well.

💯

Kevla string is very light and would jam almost ever propeller.

In order to be accurate FPV drones fly very slowly, typically. Just check out some videos.

You realize those tests are meant to exercise failure conditions? Those scenarios are designed to stress test a unit to its breaking point, see what breaks and how to fix it. That will never correlate into real world situations. Anyone with a basic understanding of implementation and strategy will recognize that. You don't build a strategy with simple theory. You have to put it into practice, then you have to stress test it to the point of absurdity to know where the weak points in the strategy are.

І ви не будете навіть спати чи відпочивати навіть не підозрюючи, що БПЛА вже наводить дрони чи міномети/артилерію. Також ніч не є перешкодою для дронів , тому при ідеальних умовах шанс збити дрон 1/10 або навіть 1/20 , тобто 19 разів з великою ймовірністю ви або 200 або 300 . Краще винайти нову зброю яка буде спеціалізуватися виключно на дронах , з радарами і автоматичною системою наведення. Це ж зараз робить Китай:/

実際問題として迎撃のために撃った弾の地上への付随被害のリスクが高いから、安易に迎撃でき無いってのはデカい　特に平時の市街地なんて非常に困難 まぁだからレーザーやマイクロ波とかの迎撃手段をみんな開発導入しようとしてる。

ロシアの事例だけどジャミング装置はそれなりに効果あげてる。実際に動画もある。 このタイトルで動画検索してみ「Операции РЭБ в Украине, потеря связи с FPV-дроном」ドローン視点でジャミングがどうされてるかわかる

クレー射撃は散弾なので、至近距離じゃないと当たらないですね。自爆特攻型ですら防ぐのは難しいかと。 ジャミングも、通信に影響を与えれるだけで、自立行動タイプを止めることはできないです。

まぁ実際問題　露軍側は固定翼タイプのがおおいからなぁ　ランセットとかそれなりにデカいとそのまま突っ込んできちゃうだろうね。 逆にウ軍側は小型マルチコプタータイプが多いから結構小銃弾とかでも墜とされちゃってるのがなんとも（）

とりあえず上空に飛来する偵察ドローンへの対処訓練なのでは？ UAVとか高度のもっと高い所を飛んでるなら小銃でも無理だろうし、前線の歩兵分隊が偵察ドローンに遭遇したら？って状況なんだと思う。 とりあえず自分達の手持ちの小火器での対処訓練だから、偵察ドローンを潰す訓練は有効なはず。

高速の軍用ドローンはコストも高くなるので対抗手段もそれなりに高コストなもので割が合う。ジャミングなり火器管制装置備えた対空兵器なり。 民間用ドローンは低速だけど安くて数が揃うから高コストな対抗手段では割に合わない。安くて低性能で数が多いドローンへの対抗手段としてショットガンはよいと思うよ。なんといっても安いから。

それは歩兵がかついで来てるだけの小型ミサイルの部類では？

現実的に難しい・無理なのは同感。 こうすればいいと訓練させて兵を安心させる目的もあるのではないかと思う。 少なくとも、本格的な対策ができる（兵器開発など）までは、人力でどうにかするしかない。

You know the truth. TSS shot is a game changer. If you knick a blade or his a sensitive component with one pellet, it game over for the drone.

No shit

標的専用の小型飛行機みたいなのはずっと昔からあるんだよな

まぁ如何せん下手な標的機より安いからなぁ　それに現物で訓練した方がいいだろうし

The Chinese already have swarms that attack such systems from all angles at the same time.

@@PeterA650 So do we. This is why future wars will become almost impossible to win, for any nation.

いやウクライナでも似たような方法で結構墜とされてる。LMGの掃射とかで墜としてる。

ウクライナでは民間用ドローンに小さい爆弾乗せたり偵察に使うケースも多くてその場合はこんな感じだよ。 高高度かつ高速なものは軍用でより大型、高コストになるので数が揃えにくい。 安くて数の多いドローンには安い対抗手段が望ましいのでショットガンは有用だよ。

ウクライナで１０万機投入して戦果１００両程度みたいなので、阻止不可能なんてものではなく、 ほとんど阻止しているけどゼロに出来ない取りこぼしで深刻な損害くらっている が実際のところじゃないかな。