ultimatebeat - too much to lose

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Doublehead Pictures

Doublehead Pictures

6 жыл бұрын

A documentary about online cheating and fraud at ultimatebet, an online poker site. Founders created tools to see players cards, then went on to steal tens of millions of dollars in a far reaching conspiracy.

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@mikegermanio324
@mikegermanio324 3 жыл бұрын
This doc was shockingly impressive and without commercials
@GHOST25938
@GHOST25938 2 жыл бұрын
Most likely the Channel was to small to be monetized Back in the day
@joshswanstrom5849
@joshswanstrom5849 3 жыл бұрын
"After leaving ultimate bet Jason DeHaan became chief information officer of Chicago" Yeah, that sounds about right.
@pattymakk1597
@pattymakk1597 4 жыл бұрын
Man, this should have wayyyy more views. Great work!
@suds2808
@suds2808 Жыл бұрын
The people involved in this fraud should spend serious time in prison. This has been a great injustice.
@bt4582
@bt4582 Жыл бұрын
This is a really well done doc that contains blood boiling information that more people need to understand. It is a good doc but I think it is too complicated for most people to understand. If it was broken down in a way that explains it in details that the general public can understand (like the Big Short), it would gain a lot more traction IMO!
@Jimbo898
@Jimbo898 Жыл бұрын
This aged well, looks one of the Ultimate Bets scammers was connected to FTX scandal.
@roytheboyF1
@roytheboyF1 4 жыл бұрын
So much work put into this - excellent job
@Unfluencer
@Unfluencer Жыл бұрын
this will always be a problem in online poker. no matter how safe it is, somebody can see your cards.
@robg915
@robg915 3 жыл бұрын
Wow this video really reveals in great detail the extent of the whole scandal. I'll be watching this more than once.
@jayzui_9564
@jayzui_9564 3 жыл бұрын
Ok so who else’s recommended this just randomly come in? Didn’t even know what the video was about before I clicked here before the 1 million mark.
@jayzui_9564
@jayzui_9564 3 жыл бұрын
Btw I watched the whole thing. It’s a crazy little situation.
@DEviceJR
@DEviceJR 3 жыл бұрын
Very clean and well put together Documentary. This will remain a huge black eye on the poker community. I really feel for players like Brad Booth who were huge NLHE crushers in the online scene back when and to just have their mental broken like that vs cheaters is a crime. I myself was cheated in the mid and high stakes limit games on UB where I played 30/60 LHE short handed on UB but I was never compensated either. I honestly couldn't explain at the time why I was winning on Paradise Poker, Party Poker and Stars but I couldn't book more than a daily winning session on UB. Thankfully I didn't put more than a few thousand hands of volume on UB back when I was cheated but it still cost me several thousands of dollars I will never see back.
@webguy943
@webguy943 Жыл бұрын
ACR is also cheating ppl
@notsure9355
@notsure9355 3 жыл бұрын
This should be prime time on TV, not only on KZfaq... I was one who lost on UB. Later I was on Party Poker, and after SO many shady hands on Party Poker, I closed my account there. And then gave up playing online (save for VERY small / micro tourneys for bored entertainment). I bought a casino table for the basement, and play with friends and family now only. As usual, its the few that spoil it for the many. Someone should be in jail over this.
@fastfunpokerjamie124
@fastfunpokerjamie124 3 жыл бұрын
I too lost on UB back in the day.. the worst thing that happened was they gave me $1000 refund... so then I trusted online even more... now I’m having same feelings of collusion and cheating on poker bro’s and ACR before that.. there must be super users of some sort but w technology now it’s way easier to make it look legit.
@notsure9355
@notsure9355 3 жыл бұрын
@@fastfunpokerjamie124 - I still think people are up to no good. And if you put a gun to my head, I'd say the same. Though I'm going by watching friends play, as I don't play much of my own online anymore. I think now that we have the bit-rate (note I didn't say bandwidth - that's a misnomer), we should require all players to have webcams enabled & uploaded to the cloud. Existing casino face recog tech should soon identify collusion, ghosting / bot accounts, and so on. I once heard a rumour that in China, they have unused business buildings resembling classrooms, they all join big tourneys, whilst using laptops, and as they are seated together, they crowd around a common table to share hole cards. VLANS / VPNs abound...
@Bealotcoolerifudid
@Bealotcoolerifudid 3 жыл бұрын
I agree, it should be on American Greed.
@notsure9355
@notsure9355 3 жыл бұрын
@@Bealotcoolerifudid LOVE that show.
@markconiglio7769
@markconiglio7769 Жыл бұрын
@@fastfunpokerjamie124 poker bros is the biggest cheating site ever! Every hand is insane. You'll hit a set, and somebody will stay in when you are all in on the flop. Runner runner 4 card straight or 4 card flush. I never deposited money on poker Bros. All my money was from freerolls on there. It's super sketchy all through rebuys. The bigger stack always wins.
@teresakatrinak8158
@teresakatrinak8158 Жыл бұрын
Wow, the greed. Selling your soul. Fantastic documentary, well done!
@martinedwards4522
@martinedwards4522 2 жыл бұрын
its now 4-21-2022..... where does this stand today?.. ive seen matusow n hellmuth buddy buddy on tv
@zooski1516
@zooski1516 3 жыл бұрын
Well produced documentary. I played on all the sites back in the day and like a book I watched Ultimate Bet go from best site to something the is not right site. Repetitive hands, impossible calls, cash out curses. Things that just didn’t happen on other sites. A few years later it was full tilt’s turn. Terrible repetition, impossible calls, definitely not random. Before Black Friday it was only pokerstars that could be trusted.
@dontbescaredhomie3137
@dontbescaredhomie3137 6 ай бұрын
Same, I just didn't like the skin lol. And AP was always timing out my hands if I played tables over each other. while I didn't have those issues with PS PP and FT. AP had by far the most fish. I just didn't like UB skin, so ugly. Also not being able to review HHs easily and Hud/PT issues It affected my play too much. I started in 2006/2007 played donkaments for like 95%. Obviously not affected by any cheating but fully agree that any cheating allegations were seen as conspiracy theories. We thought 100% Indians were beaming lasers off mirrors and fluctuations would add entropy in the RNG. If I knew UB was using a mysql backend where some engineer could just alter shit without any auditing, I'd already been shitting myself.
@wuldntuliktonoptb6861
@wuldntuliktonoptb6861 Жыл бұрын
Daniel friedberg just got wrapped up in ftx scam a tiger never changes its stripes
@msgfrmdaactionman3000
@msgfrmdaactionman3000 Жыл бұрын
A chief lawyer for this gambling site also worked for FTX in 2022! Corrupt country.
@dustinjay3743
@dustinjay3743 3 жыл бұрын
Just waiting to see one of these documentaries on Pokerstars lol
@TommyF4
@TommyF4 3 жыл бұрын
100% True! I met Jeff Madsen on a final table once, he was a "stars pro". I had a very tight image, and he called like crazy from flop and miracle hitted a runner runner straight out of position and risked the tourny as well. We two also was the major chip leaders at the table of 7 left, it made no sense. I stopped to play that day and never played online again. Some years ago now. But Stars is rigged 100%, and it was not the first time either on pokerstars this had happened. Have screens of the final table on some old hardisk somewere, but I forgot screen the hand history cause I was shocked about the play and closed the app. I had over 10 yrs of daily experience online and live, so ye I know when I see..Hard to thrust online poker again ever..I always do really good in live poker, so going to stick with that :)
@TommyF4
@TommyF4 3 жыл бұрын
@ItsFayne maybe. I think I had AK and hitted A on a A 10 5 flop rainbow. I betted almost potbet on the flop. He had like 7 high or something. He calls, then he calls again on the turn with still 7 high and only a inside draw 7-9% on a potbet. Wtf. Even including the implied odds it was not even close to worth it. He had a big lead too as 1st place and if lost he was last place. In my 3k online tourny exp on a expensive tourny I FINALLY going to win 20k. This happened and I won 3k and it was vs one from the starsteam on stars. Well, I know it wasnt real. All on the table wrote in chat like wtf. I will never forget that..and I had tight image with only good hands on that table and he was also out of pos and takes on the big stack and risked it all like that xD
@jackbenjamin4856
@jackbenjamin4856 3 жыл бұрын
You cannot tell me for a second that pokerstars doesn’t generate bad beats over and over . I don’t know if you’re talking about real money but I’m talking about the free games just for fun but it’s not really fun after you realize the algorithm they’re using is constantly rewarding the long shot hands and making sure someone with pocket pair gets cracked constantly . Basically generating action and rewarding bad calls and chasers or calling stations lol. I don’t trust computers at all , I don’t even like the shufflers at poker tables would rather have dealers shuffle and rely on the eye in the skies to catch mechanics . The only reason I do play at tables with electronic shufflers is the fact that the house is getting the rake regardless and we’re not playing against the house.
@sleepnosis
@sleepnosis 3 жыл бұрын
Hellmuth is worth 400 million and gambles with other peoples money who stake him and splits the profits and he still whines like a baby when he loses a hand. And he was mixed up with this? He is a tool and a douche
@AinsleyHarriott1
@AinsleyHarriott1 2 жыл бұрын
I messaged Greg Pierson on LinkedIn asking if he had any stealth observers left and he blocked me.
@andrewdinns1746
@andrewdinns1746 2 жыл бұрын
wp! Hellmuth's best friend lol.
@jf5618
@jf5618 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice content! I’m a 23 year data protection specialist and the “loss was due to a RAID drive failure” is utter BS. Makes no sense at all...then again, we already know this
@notsure9355
@notsure9355 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly, the very function of RAID is to protect against volume loss, due to hard disk failure. I can't imagine a site like UB ran anything less than RAID6.
@bruceree6593
@bruceree6593 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate no commercials
@WanderingBrushArt
@WanderingBrushArt 3 жыл бұрын
Get ad blocker
@bruceree6593
@bruceree6593 3 жыл бұрын
@@WanderingBrushArt it's funny how comments can get a reply from here and forever lol. Yes I need it but don't want to pay for it 😜
@AceHighAlbion
@AceHighAlbion 3 жыл бұрын
@@bruceree6593 You dont pay for a addblocker.. :) Depending on which browser you got, you just google addblocker+browser and it should be absolutly free :) well you properly pay with some info about you.
@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants
@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants 3 жыл бұрын
@@bruceree6593 It is free bro
@mikewatte4478
@mikewatte4478 3 жыл бұрын
No ad blocker on android
@bn9461
@bn9461 Жыл бұрын
Great DOC! Unreal to think about everything and how sophisticated all the scams were to their extent. I wonder how in-depth cheating can be on these poker apps now days
@BERENCEV
@BERENCEV 3 жыл бұрын
Very pleasurable doco to watch, just a lovely piece of work!!
@josecastro-qs9dc
@josecastro-qs9dc Жыл бұрын
I HAVE BEEN PLAYING POKER SINCE 2000S. PLAYED ON ALL THESE SITES. AND i never saw this. THEYVE HUSHED THIS UP
@alexj.9638
@alexj.9638 3 жыл бұрын
If you published this @Doublehead Pictures I salute you. There needs to be a collection playlist for documentaries made by creators like you.
@hershysquirts187
@hershysquirts187 4 жыл бұрын
Annie Dukes boyfriend went from Shannon Elizabeth to Annie. Talk about a downgrade.
@robertwegner8962
@robertwegner8962 3 жыл бұрын
A "downgrade"? We are talking about human beings, aren't we?
@benzienugent2010
@benzienugent2010 3 жыл бұрын
Magic vagina, its said.
@sambarnett3202
@sambarnett3202 3 жыл бұрын
@@robertwegner8962 yeah shut up pussy
@robertwegner8962
@robertwegner8962 3 жыл бұрын
@@sambarnett3202 No need for you to continue serving satan. Come to Christ and you shall live. Reclaim your dignity and come out of the dirt.
@robertwegner8962
@robertwegner8962 3 жыл бұрын
@Alfred Piano You are a son of satan and you need Jesus Christ. May the Lord bless you and lead you out of darkness.
@6thwilbury2331
@6thwilbury2331 3 жыл бұрын
Scott, if you see this all these years later... thanks again for the shoutout in the "Gut Check" section of the credits. No way did I deserve that, but I certainly do appreciate it!
@2332Stephen
@2332Stephen 3 жыл бұрын
Well what do you expect when you put a former bookie in charge of a ton of money in a reputable poker site
@rasherbilbo452
@rasherbilbo452 3 жыл бұрын
Very nicely done. Deserves more views.
@C0ND3V1L
@C0ND3V1L 5 жыл бұрын
It is the year 2059 ultimate bet is still scamming people.
@MrZola1234
@MrZola1234 3 жыл бұрын
Still can't believe how Phil escaped any hit to his reputation in the poker world.
@SalDOWN
@SalDOWN 3 жыл бұрын
He is fn rich...
@MrZola1234
@MrZola1234 3 жыл бұрын
@@SalDOWN they all are, but the poker community has given him a pass in a way they gave not given Anie Duke and Russ Hamilton. Also, Jesus Ferguson and Annie's brother Howard Ledder are considered pariahs in the poker community for their role in the Full Tilt scandal. Maybe it is simply because Russ stated that they hid the God mode from Phil, so the poker community doesn't see him as culpable.
@SalDOWN
@SalDOWN 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrZola1234 Yes, Hellmuth should have been banned from poker for his life! He is a thief just like Annie Puke and Coward Folderer.
@peterlohnes1
@peterlohnes1 3 жыл бұрын
Just an association doesn't make you guilty of anything...a spokesperson barely has anything to do with the internals of a company.
@MrZola1234
@MrZola1234 3 жыл бұрын
@@peterlohnes1 Even if he did not play on the site using god mode, he took money as a sponsored player and promoted others using the site long after it was known there was an issue.
@danieljohnson6684
@danieljohnson6684 3 жыл бұрын
Great video I played all these sites back then and had no idea how bad it was. Took $50 and made 7k that I lost in hours. I was devastated couldn’t imagine how you guys felt taking these loses. I’m sorry that a person could do this too another.
@barnabyjones2203
@barnabyjones2203 2 жыл бұрын
Hellmuths personality type(entj) is known for being the most prone to chasing power and being weasely.
@RyanDepauloDegenerateGambler
@RyanDepauloDegenerateGambler 3 жыл бұрын
THIS IS SO GOOD
@jean-christophebinette2635
@jean-christophebinette2635 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Ryan my love
@parenzopoker
@parenzopoker Жыл бұрын
not even 150k views in 5 years,this video deserve more!!!
@AinsleyHarriott1
@AinsleyHarriott1 2 жыл бұрын
Dan Friedberg is now the Chief Regulatory Officer of FTX the crypto exchange. lol.
@ericlunianga3145
@ericlunianga3145 Жыл бұрын
LOOOOOOOL most based observation of all time
@ericcarrillo1294
@ericcarrillo1294 3 жыл бұрын
I got into online poker in late 2004. I’ll never forget when PH actually had the losing hand and the pot got dragged to him. I stopped on UB shortly after lol.
@themaharishi8160
@themaharishi8160 3 жыл бұрын
I actually managed to withdraw from UB before shit hit the fan. Then I got scammed by party poker. First they refused to let me cash out when laws changed but they would accept deposits that I could gamble with and then later simply zeroed my balance without giving me shit. It's sad that basically only pokerstars was legit in the whole industry. When that's the place where I had the weirdest losses in my million plus hands played XD
@milanbisercic9338
@milanbisercic9338 3 жыл бұрын
@@themaharishi8160 Mate, I thought that PS was realy legit, but...My personal feeling is that, comparing with pros playing the PS, lower quality players are always fucked up. Always! Random generator is bad for us. It is incredible when you loose nuts hands 11 times in a row, isn"t it!?
@Coryalan2
@Coryalan2 3 жыл бұрын
@@milanbisercic9338 there has NEVER been a RNG scandal in online poker
@1pokerhero825
@1pokerhero825 3 жыл бұрын
@@milanbisercic9338 I personally feel the same way..it plays much different then all other sites...I can't explain what's going on...but I definitely feel the same way
@milanbisercic9338
@milanbisercic9338 3 жыл бұрын
@@Coryalan2 Not yet. Mate, it is impossible that so much hands played can be explained in normal way. My personal experience is awfull, trust me. Most of the players try to convince me that this situation is normal, compared with the number of hands. For me it is not. I strongly believe that pro players on PS are somehow prority, compared to us, small ball players. I was watching the games between the pros, nothing simmilar ever happened! As soon as I sit down, RNG goes wild. Cannot explain why, but my nuts preflop, on the flop and turn, always, I repeat, ALWAYS goes in flames on the river. Nobody can make me believe that RNG isn"t rigged. That is why I stopped online games, and somehow, managed to cut my loses more than 95% playing only live games. In less than 5 months I made more than 47k euro win. No online sites will ever see me again. PS: I am sure that in a short time this story with RNG will be uncovered.
@sandsplasherasmr1865
@sandsplasherasmr1865 Жыл бұрын
100% Phil was heavily involved
@LEFTaTIP
@LEFTaTIP Жыл бұрын
Maybe not 100% but Hellmuth knew what was going on and kept taking his paycheck, sponsor monies and getting re-imbursed for his tournament fees and travel perks. Again if Hellmuth was so righteous he shouldve given his salaries to the players that were cheated.
@unknowncaves2099
@unknowncaves2099 3 жыл бұрын
Swear all poker sites to this day still use these tatics to make themselves rich and us poor hence why I quit online poker which is a massive scam
@stackmon3y1989
@stackmon3y1989 3 жыл бұрын
America's Card Room Is a scam
@Coryalan2
@Coryalan2 3 жыл бұрын
Milk is a scam
@kaseone6896
@kaseone6896 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I’m just realizing this as well. Lost a ton of money on Global poker man. Never in my life have I been on such a losing streak . Almost 90% all to bad beats with opponents hitting 1-2 outers.. I’m gonna give up online poker as well. Have this crap a try during this pandemic and wish I never would have!! Everyone reading my comments that are in Global poker do yourselves a favor and delete your account and play live poker. Real cards do not lie and your odds are way better playing live. Stop making these con artist business men running these poker sites rich in your bankrolls!!
@Coryalan2
@Coryalan2 3 жыл бұрын
@@kaseone6896 look up the amount of RNG scandals there have been in the history of online poker and you might be surprised (it's ZERO)
@jacksparrow3490
@jacksparrow3490 Жыл бұрын
@@Coryalan2 well considering computers can't generate random numbers especially with 52 "cards" making all those combinations impossible for a computer to generate on its own without human programming id say you probably don't have a clue.. the hands are created for action. The site will determine who wins and who loses. Why doesn't the sites show their source code for the rng? If its legit why doesn't anyone show their RNG? Because they're not all the same smart guy
@AinsleyHarriott1
@AinsleyHarriott1 2 жыл бұрын
Stuart Hoegner, the director of compliance at Excapsa, is now the General Counsel for Bitfinex lol
@gfysyoutube
@gfysyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
Don't know how Phil Helmuth got a pass on this he was knee-deep in this scam.
@derekstiles5801
@derekstiles5801 Жыл бұрын
There’s zero even in this that shows Phil knee deep in it. He’s basically guilty of taking his paycheck after they started refunding players. Well, and still defending his friends for a while.
@AinsleyHarriott1
@AinsleyHarriott1 3 жыл бұрын
52:24 stop and look at that list... wow. Brad Booth, Gloria Matusow (Mikes mom), Scott Matusow, Mohamed Kowssarie (cheated Patrik Antonius and Johnny Lodden by hacking their computer), Brian Townsend, Taylor Caby, Tom Dwan, Eric Lindgren, Cole South.... what a list!!!!!!
@AinsleyHarriott1
@AinsleyHarriott1 3 жыл бұрын
And “Philip Ivey” haha
@jacksparrow3490
@jacksparrow3490 Жыл бұрын
The more people dig into the poker world the more you will realize the "great" players have all been in some sort of scandal to profit big on cheating ppl.
@dp26385
@dp26385 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing documentary. Thank you.
@petehunt4534
@petehunt4534 3 жыл бұрын
Well done for posting this ... great job
@johndoughcrypto9688
@johndoughcrypto9688 Жыл бұрын
Great video, even 5 years later as I'm seeing it for the 1st time
@JohnSmith-ih3qr
@JohnSmith-ih3qr 6 жыл бұрын
Great job, 3rd time watching (1st time free thx). Are the payout lists received published on 2p2 or anywhere else?
@vzayts3v814
@vzayts3v814 5 жыл бұрын
Great work, any chance we could get some of those list pics posted somewhere like 2+2 ?
@jf5618
@jf5618 Жыл бұрын
Now we fully understand why PH is always a short stack buy in on streams today…that risk free, free rolls is smoked
@cryptobull4130
@cryptobull4130 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like this is PokerStars now
@Justin-np3ki
@Justin-np3ki Жыл бұрын
This is an absolutely amazing doc
@chesthoIe
@chesthoIe 3 жыл бұрын
Benny Binion knows quite a bit about stealing. He got in to the casino industry by walking in to a numbers house, pulling out a gun, and saying this is mine now.
@TylerDurrrden1
@TylerDurrrden1 3 жыл бұрын
This needs a movie
@utubecomment21
@utubecomment21 2 жыл бұрын
What's so shocking about this Documentary, was the impression, that this wasn't going on more, than I suspect it actually was/is!!!!
@MrJnew123
@MrJnew123 2 жыл бұрын
Outstanding documentary. What an evil can of worms.
@markchalled3976
@markchalled3976 3 жыл бұрын
If you had access to this seeing other player's cards you could sell it for a piece of their ill gotten gains.
@CLIFFemALL83
@CLIFFemALL83 Жыл бұрын
Eye opening to say the least... Thanks 👍
@voteZDLR
@voteZDLR Жыл бұрын
Leave it up to Hellmuth to design something where he wins every hand lol
@feliksj.kwiatkowski2935
@feliksj.kwiatkowski2935 3 жыл бұрын
"A lack of consequences .... " Indeed!
@TsarOfRuss
@TsarOfRuss 3 жыл бұрын
So, nobody was jailed !!!?? wow
@klauseba
@klauseba 3 жыл бұрын
at 56:13 the police was a board member
@acepaul407
@acepaul407 3 жыл бұрын
@@klauseba the police got a cut.
@DBStoic
@DBStoic 2 жыл бұрын
outstanding research and presentation!
@vzayts3v814
@vzayts3v814 5 жыл бұрын
Also wanted to let you know you might want to change the title, bc it doesnt pop up on first page of google when searching ulitmate beat
@awakenotwoke2643
@awakenotwoke2643 2 жыл бұрын
I'm starting to suspect Bovada
@harryupslowdown6972
@harryupslowdown6972 8 ай бұрын
This will get turned into a movie one day.. just wait and see..
@czechraiser
@czechraiser 3 жыл бұрын
"Phil's an idiot..." Had me right there. So true.
@therainmakerinsider
@therainmakerinsider 3 жыл бұрын
If you watch Polk vs Negranu, Daniel acts like a bigger baby than Phil. He hides his nice guy image.
@supremeleaderarmy9164
@supremeleaderarmy9164 3 жыл бұрын
@@therainmakerinsider But he has turrets
@YouGotHousesWeGotMahomes
@YouGotHousesWeGotMahomes 2 жыл бұрын
Supreme Leader Army 🤣🤣🤣
@DJDonkeytron
@DJDonkeytron 3 жыл бұрын
I remember watching LFISGD play O8 on Full Tilt... seemed like he won at least 1/2 of every single pot. 👍
@symphoniez
@symphoniez 3 жыл бұрын
Incredible documentary
@nikitakucherov5028
@nikitakucherov5028 3 жыл бұрын
All online poker is a scam.... if you disagree I know a Kazikstan prince who will give you 4 billion dollars if you send him $2,000 first.
@msxmurda2385
@msxmurda2385 3 жыл бұрын
I always did well on Absolute Poker, but Party Poker was so shady. The calls people made against me was sometimes ridiculous. I’ll never forget the screen name ZeeJustin who called a massive bluff against me with 11 people left in a big Sunday tourney. Yes, I had rags...but this player had 32 and only a pair of 2’s which he caught on the river. ~ I quit playing online poker after that call.
@stevenmckelvey4210
@stevenmckelvey4210 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if you're being facetious but that guy went on to become a well know player
@asb3pe
@asb3pe 3 жыл бұрын
That well known player was also accused of multi-accounting, so who knows if he had 3 or 4 other accounts sitting at that table with Pale Zombie, and who knows if the cards in the hands of those other accounts gave that well known player enough information in the hand (i.e. blockers) to turn a fold into a call with 32... I'm just sayin''... and yeah, that well known player has certainly gone on to prove himself in the one field we think we can safely assume is essentially free from any cheating scandals... the live poker arena. That well known player has excelled beyond the dreams of most poker players, phenomenal success... that helps to reduce suspicion, certainly, but it was a well-known fact that MA was illegal even back then... some of the young kids just didn't care. If a human believes they can get away with cheating and not get caught, well guess what? Most of those humans are gonna go ahead and cheat. It's out human nature to be unethical and immoral, that's my conclusion drawn from my decades of life experience... being a perfectly ethical and moral human being is certainly the road much less traveled. We're all flawed in our own unique way. :-)
@msxmurda2385
@msxmurda2385 3 жыл бұрын
@@asb3pe So what is the name of that player??? I find it hard to believe he would call a x3.5 raise pre flop, then call 40k and 60k on the turn and river with 3 high...then catches a 2 and flat calls 95% of his stack on a 8810K2 board. No draws, just calling all his chips to catch a 3 or 2 on the bubble of a final table 200+15 buy-in. I had AQ off. I bet 60k and he had roughly 62k left. That was shady, to say the least. Now you tell me he had multiple accounts, which is also cheating or immoral at the very least.
@adamk4733
@adamk4733 3 жыл бұрын
@@msxmurda2385 ZeeJustin is Justin Bonomo
@asb3pe
@asb3pe 3 жыл бұрын
the multi-accounting accusations against Justin from years ago is not a secret, it is easy to find with a web search, I simply did not want to name him directly but even using his screen name in a search will bring you to his story. He was far from alone in trying to gain advantage via MA, many players were secretly doing the same thing, and I bet most of them never got caught, Justin just happened to be one that was... I play poker, but I also read my Bible... and I subscribe to the wisdom and guidance of 1 Timothy 6-10, I don't play poker to get rich, I play poker for the love of the game. That makes me a weirdo in our "love of money" world, trust me. LOL The path less traveled is a lonely one.
@twatmunro9563
@twatmunro9563 2 жыл бұрын
Watching this for the second time, five years after my first watch. Man, the guy who made this did a fantastic job. Great interviews, masterful coverage of the material. If I have a single criticism, it's about the storytelling aspect of the film. I watched it, having followed the story as it played out on 2+2, so I knew what had happened, how it had happened and why. If I was coming to this story fresh, knowing nothing about it, I'm not sure if I'd be able to follow it. There's possibly too much information. If you know the basic outline of the story though, it's great. You can just wallow in geekish pleasure at the sheer quantity of the detail,
@AliceYobby
@AliceYobby 2 жыл бұрын
As someone with zero knowledge of this before watching, I honestly appreciate the amount of detail and that nothing was left out. But then again, I always prefer this as it really illuminates how understandably human the process of conspiracies like this are, like it isn’t some maniacal, meticulously crafted scheme, it’s just a bunch of skeezy, worthless people getting together and deciding to make a quick buck, and because like attracts like, one person with no dignity is gonna be tight with others with no dignity.
@chesthoIe
@chesthoIe 3 жыл бұрын
The statute of limitations for federal fraud cases is 7 years.
@MrKaskad
@MrKaskad 3 жыл бұрын
Who says crime don't pay , snatch a purse from an old lady you get 6 months , steel a billion from mug punters and you get a trophy wife , a private jet , and life style of a movie star.
@Wongwongwong10000
@Wongwongwong10000 2 жыл бұрын
There has been cheating in poker from the start. Online poker just made it easier and you won’t get back roomed or killed. Full Tilt Poker was the worst and Howard, Ferguson and Russ didn’t do anything they liked using other players money as there personal bank roll. Full Tilt pros also liked the money. Ultimate Bet was the same and Phil Hellmuth was just the main promoter and because he never played with the cheating software he got a pass and the poker community gave Phil a second chance. Full Tilt made me stop playing poker and my interest in it. Poker is great game but it’s also sleazy but if you made millions in the poker boom and you didn’t go broke because your extremely good your set for life.
@juuguns
@juuguns 2 жыл бұрын
great journalism piece
@vambo13257
@vambo13257 3 жыл бұрын
This stuff still goes on, you cannot convince me that ignition poker is on the up and up.
@gabrielciuclaru5086
@gabrielciuclaru5086 3 жыл бұрын
@CarlitoJr888 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bJuVmtWk2p6sgJc.html all pokersites Are RIGGED and RIGGEDSTARS ARE THE ONE ON TOP OF THE SCAMERS.
@klauseba
@klauseba 3 жыл бұрын
@CarlitoJr888 what's your experience with BCP so far? On a new account with 0 money, out of 15 freerolls I could hardly get into the paid top 200 four times, but on another account in which I uploaded 25 dollars I could win so many pre-flop all-ins even when I was up against AA pairs and got to the 7th position easily.
@klauseba
@klauseba 3 жыл бұрын
@CarlitoJr888 Yeah it's good to have notes and report suupicious accounts. Me and my cousins have been looking for an independent & Regulated site, but it feels like all of them belong to a network of unregulated ones. BCP for example is part of the Winning Poker Networks group. On other sites like Unibet for example my cousins notice they only let him win up to 40 euros, after that you lose with any hand you play, then from 30 again you can win until 40...
@joecain123
@joecain123 3 жыл бұрын
@@klauseba if you are getting all in preflop a lot against AA......
@dennisdupuis1567
@dennisdupuis1567 2 жыл бұрын
anyone who believes online decks of cards were ever legitimate is a chump
@seahawkblazing9253
@seahawkblazing9253 Жыл бұрын
Wow, how come I’ve never heard of this. Why are the players reputation not ruined. I would of outed them so bad.
@donmiller6839
@donmiller6839 3 жыл бұрын
This is why I will never play online poker again.. Its much more enjoyable to go to a casino and watch the cards being dealt
@skipstar4730
@skipstar4730 2 жыл бұрын
Isn’t Annie Duke the sister of Howard Lederer? Nuff said…
@nonamephinsyt
@nonamephinsyt Жыл бұрын
Can we have these guys check into clubwpt? It's beyond ridiculous the ways bad beats repeatedly happen on there. And I'm talking about 2% runner runner type beats literally every 5 hands.
@therealcountrybumpkin
@therealcountrybumpkin Жыл бұрын
Yo! I’ve been dealing with the same thing on ClubWPT. Haven’t talked about it much but there’s some bs going on! 9/10 times you will lose if you are the small stack going all in against a big stack. I’ve noticed this more frequently towards the end of a tournament. Like less than 50 people left. I’ve lost every single push all in with about 85-95% favorite to win. My opponent will catch the one card they need on the river to win. I totally get not making it sometimes but every time? Nah something feels very off with this site. Both times today I lost to a flush on the river with a random card. Outplayed and out flopped the other player. Last night I played and got down to one solid big blind amount left. Pushed all in with QQ and got called by the person left of me. They won with pocket AA. Understandable right? They also won with pocket AA the hand previously!! AA twice in a row!? Possible but suspect. But every time I got AA and I’m short stacked in a tournament, push all in, and get called with JJ and lose to the chip leader. I can’t even begin to to recall all the times I’m 95% favorite to win and my opponent makes the exact card they needed on the river. Plays out so frequently. Is it the players? No I don’t think so. But something isn’t right here. I’m guessing they want to eliminate as many players as quick as they can, who are short stacked, and getting close to the final table. I believe this is why so many chip leaders push all in so much because they know the site favors big stacks. Idk I’m frustrated. And many people are saying the same thing as us!
@tomlor3231
@tomlor3231 3 жыл бұрын
Okeeey, thats why i use to lose %80 my flips it not the sites.🤔
@PrimetimeD21
@PrimetimeD21 Жыл бұрын
Imagine playing ONLINE poker 🤣🤣🤣
@6thwilbury2331
@6thwilbury2331 6 жыл бұрын
Nice work.
@0ptimal
@0ptimal 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder, do people like this set out to prey on people, or do they start out honest but find themselves in a position to "capitalize" on others, that's too hard for them to resist? Probably some of both. I think some people think morals and ethics are for suckers, or it's a ploy to get people to put their guard down. Others maybe give in and decide that it(cheating) is the only way to succeed. Life lesson best learned early: The world is riddled with crooks, can't trust anyone so be mindful of what you expose.
@tomharvey6961
@tomharvey6961 10 ай бұрын
I gave up live poker because there were people there that looked like they really needed their money, and I didn't want to take it, even though I knew someone else would. Whatever it was that caused me to not want to be a part of their losing their money, I think that's what these people lack. You could say they're ruthless, they're jaded, or they're sociopaths. I don't know. But they're not the sort of people you want to hang out with.
@tdub5585
@tdub5585 3 жыл бұрын
This really changed my mind on some of those big poker names involved... also can the govt freakin legalize and regulate this already?
@stevelavy5015
@stevelavy5015 3 жыл бұрын
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@stevelavy5015 3 жыл бұрын
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@stevelavy5015 3 жыл бұрын
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@ryceryder85
@ryceryder85 2 жыл бұрын
Thx for this content.
@sensimilia1005
@sensimilia1005 3 жыл бұрын
the first time I saw Phil Hell's face. at television and knew that he had won 10 Bracelet his face had intrigue me a lot I knew he had something with cheating and I was 18 years at the time I do not trust the camera on poker table either.
@Mitjitsu
@Mitjitsu 2 жыл бұрын
Most of his bracelets were won during the 90's when the fields were much smaller and weaker.
@CarbideShrapnel
@CarbideShrapnel 4 жыл бұрын
feel like im playing the wrong game when it is so populated with cheaters scammers and just plain filth and here I am trying to go for it legitimately no wonder its called a pipe dream
@MaxskiSynths
@MaxskiSynths 4 жыл бұрын
@Whisper-that truth-shss There's nothing to stop all the companies easily doing this, or getting fake people to sit next to you on your table.
@0ptimal
@0ptimal 3 жыл бұрын
U pretty much summed up life in general. Not really but kinda 😏
@patchespredictions7613
@patchespredictions7613 2 жыл бұрын
wow amazing doc!
@grifter84
@grifter84 8 ай бұрын
How poetic that Danielle wound up waiting tables at a joint called "Rounders." Might as well have been driving Joey Knish's delivery truck.
@jons6348
@jons6348 3 жыл бұрын
Why does it say special thanks to Tom Dwan in the credits?
@xxGoodfella
@xxGoodfella 4 жыл бұрын
this is great if you have other stuff you should post it
@FrankTalby88
@FrankTalby88 2 жыл бұрын
sucks....im a good player but id prefer to play online but nearly impossible because of shit like this
@supremeleaderarmy9164
@supremeleaderarmy9164 3 жыл бұрын
Now U.B has become Dominion Servers
@davidn82
@davidn82 3 жыл бұрын
Makes you wonder which casinos on foreign soil are partaking in this
@AinsleyHarriott1
@AinsleyHarriott1 2 жыл бұрын
I hope you guys are aware that one of these Excapsa guys is now in charge of Tether USD in crypto.
@ericlunianga3145
@ericlunianga3145 Жыл бұрын
You're on fire, which guy?
@AinsleyHarriott1
@AinsleyHarriott1 Жыл бұрын
@@ericlunianga3145 Friedburg
@RoyRay99
@RoyRay99 2 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised that Annie Duke's brother Howard Lederer was never mentioned in the documentary. I'm not suggesting guilt but he and Chris Furguson both disappeared after the scandal. Innocent people don't hide in my world.
@dounghataiwataim5180
@dounghataiwataim5180 2 жыл бұрын
Right​ brad smash your​ commputer
@msavision2010
@msavision2010 4 жыл бұрын
very very well done. great job.
@dennisdeweerdt1762
@dennisdeweerdt1762 Жыл бұрын
I really loved ultimate bet and absolute poker. I sadly only recovered 450 dollars from the accounts more then 100 step tickets all vanished and over 2k money. I won so much caps hehe. I kept one to remind the great time.
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