TESTED: Berger 133gr 25 Cal Elite Hunter Bullet

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We are back with a new quarter bore bullet from Berger Bullets. The Berger 133 Elite Hunter pushes 25 caliber hunting bullets to the limit, a great addition to their 25 caliber bullet lineup. In this video we’re going to put it to the test!
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@powersawtomfoolery6739 2 жыл бұрын

I would love to see the 131 tested in the same way. Good job!

@catfixer992 Ай бұрын

I sent the Black Jack bullets thru a jug of water and they would make a hole in the jug like an ice pick hole. No expansion and little to no damage.

@yukon4545 2 жыл бұрын

Another fine installment from the 2-5 Guys...😁

@aklaunch 2 жыл бұрын

You guys are the best out there. Thank you I still think the Nosler Partition is better.

@juliusjames5577 Жыл бұрын

👍 hard to beat a partition

@callumhepworth-smith6376 2 жыл бұрын

It would be interesting to see at what speed expansion happens in the gel so hunters can make an informed decision on how fast they need to drive them to get them to open up.

@jasonmcalpin993 Жыл бұрын

My personal experience with the Berger Hybrid line of bullets is a minimum of 1600fps in gel to trigger reliable consistent expansion.

@fedup3582 Жыл бұрын

@@jasonmcalpin993unless I misunderstood, they showed 1800 fps with pretty poor expansion in my opinion.

@702BattleBorn 2 жыл бұрын

Yo GT, thank you for producing this content. The downloaded rounds was very interesting to see. Keep up the great work. Have a pleasant day. Cheers

@timsmith5837 2 жыл бұрын

Outstanding content, your doing some of the best stuff out there. Thank you

@aaronkreger1891 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for listening to us and doing the downloaded data!

@kevinwood7358 2 жыл бұрын

Great information with the 25 cal. I'm really looking forward to the different velocity tests. This information will definitely help a hunter decide what range would be most ethical. For me this is one of your best video test series. Absolutely a great job guy's. Also, hello from Montana. Kevin

@J-Plata-84 2 жыл бұрын

Love watching these videos. In a couple of weeks I'm putting a Proof Research 1:7.5 barrel on my 25-06. Then I'll be loading the 133 for it. Need to find loading data now.

@rogerreid7750 2 жыл бұрын

Just curious how you are doing with 1 -7.5 twist. I am load testing for the same twist.

@denniswilliams7121 2 жыл бұрын

Please do a video on the 131 Blackjacks in 25 creed. You guys go way beyond any other channel. Thank You so much.

@Eric--zs6um 2 жыл бұрын

++++1 on the blackjack bullets

@stevenanderson6658 Жыл бұрын

I absolutely love berger bullets. I've never had one let me down. 2022 I shot a real nice 150 inch whitetail buck at 576 yards with my 6.5 prc running at 3050 fps. Dropped him were he stood. I've killed multiple elk with the 185 or 190 in my 300 win mag. Excellent results. I know alot of people don't like burger. But they have been great for me

@daveknowles3055 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video and thanks for all the work Travis. Would like to see the bullet expansion at hunting ranges as others have noted. I for one would like to see detailed expansion from 100 to 400 yards.

@guyminer3168 2 жыл бұрын

"Killer Setup" - pretty good! :) Good video guys.

@clapton924 2 жыл бұрын

Barnes TTSX: that's cute...

@bobpena1490 2 жыл бұрын

Nice video but getting burger bullets is next to impossible..and glad that someone is giving love to 25 cal..

@BlacksheepMediaNZ 2 жыл бұрын

Really loving this stuff.

@kylehurley5994 2 жыл бұрын

Great video and info thanks! I would love to see this same test with the 156gr Berger EOL out of a 6.5 prc with velocities resulting from 100,200,500 yard shots.

@rtrapper4life 2 жыл бұрын

Cool info, thanks for testing. I would be really interested in you guys testing the 128gr hammer hunter bullet to compare. I feel it'd be a lot better dedicated hunting bullet myself, and it also has a great bc if that's what you're after.

@EdAb 2 жыл бұрын

What an excellent video. I want more, more, more!!! I think you will find that the slightly "larger" calibers/cartridges, like the .308, will expand better at lower velocities than the quarter bores and 6.5s. The wider meplat should simply offer more resistance and therefore greater expansion. Please confirm the theory! Cheers

@MikeStJohn-du5ue 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, I have been wanting a 25 Creed and this just pushed me over the edge. Next, make a t-shirt in 4x for us more fluffy guys.

@brandondeckert9838 2 жыл бұрын

More of this guys!! I want to see 215 Berger Hybrids, and the popular mono’s!

@stngcrazy 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve been saying down loaded testing needs to be done for a while. Everyone is always comparing one cartridge to another. In a hunting situation the only thing that matters is bullet performance at a given impact velocity. Choose your caliber and bullet, look at the speed and energy needed for the game you’re hunting. your max effective engagement distance will determine what cartridge is best for your needs. 200 fps intervals I think would be perfect for this type of test. The speed range you test is really caliber specific and bullet weight specific. I appreciate the amount of effort you are dedicating to this.

@randylong8156 2 жыл бұрын

Glad to see more options in the heavy 25's now we just need more people making 8 twist barrels.

@davidbartch8917 2 жыл бұрын

Blackjack bullets has a list of barrel manufacturers and part numbers you can use to order them .

@dustybowhunter 2 жыл бұрын

Lets see an Ultimate Reloader deer hunt

@mikecrafar6276 2 жыл бұрын

Great stuff guys, keep up the good work. I don’t think you would need to go any lower - 1800 fps is generally what I consider the lowest limit for hunting bullets to avoid pin holing through an animal. But from watching your video I’m thinking that it’s probably a bit higher than that in reality. Testing wise - would be great to see it in 200fps increments back up to muzzle velocity. Cheers.

@yantheriault4995 2 жыл бұрын

i would love to see you doing a testing video for the match burner bullet from barnes to see how they compare against the big names compagny

@kurtbogle2973 2 жыл бұрын

A 250 Savage with a 1 in 8 twist should be awesome.

@hugosalceda1973 2 жыл бұрын

How about a 250 savage Ackley?

@fisher1972 2 жыл бұрын

257 weatherby beats them all!

@hugosalceda1973 2 жыл бұрын

@@fisher1972 weatherby?.. Proprietary case? Very expensive to get?. Performance next to 25-06? Harsh recoil!...Nah I'll stick to 250 savages Ackley.

@guardianminifarm8005 2 жыл бұрын

Well done gents. Looks like a fantastic deer/antelope bullet. It likely would be sufficient for elk within a reasonable range keeping the velocities near 2200fps. Cow elf would definitely be doable. Look at that 2200fps as an optimal minimum and your desired results are likely to be met. Thank you for great data.

@joelclark2130 2 жыл бұрын

25cal. is great for hunting with these bullets period and a fast rate of twist. I also think 200 feet per second increments, would be great to watch. In ballistics gel. Great video super interesting, learned a ton

@matthewspeller 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome testing! For bottle neck high velocity hunting bullet's I'd like to see the equivalent speeds to point blank, 200, and 400 yards. Those represent the most common ranges and the furthest I'd choose to harvest game at.

@Bigfish1day 2 жыл бұрын

I’d love to see 120 yds, I can’t get much more distance than that where I hunt. Glad you posted what yo did.

@Calaveras32Spcl Жыл бұрын

Seems a solid contender for deer size game out to 500 or 600 yards. Be careful with placement as it comes apart fast. Great info.

@joequixotic3039 2 жыл бұрын

The simulated long range testing has a potential flaw. Rotational velocity is preserved much better than bullet velocity. When you fire a bullet at 2,800 fps in an 8" twist you get 252,000 rpm, at 1,800 fps you get 162,000 rpm. At real distance you may see 1,800 fps but it will have rotational velocity probably over 200,000 rpm which should let the bullet expand or fragment more. A higher twist barrel isn't the way to fix that because the barrel will distort the bullet more. I suggest regular ammo shot at a block at 2-300 yards. That's a realistic hunting shot and your rifles are accurate enough to hit the block at that distance. Maybe you can find some sort of way to better approximate the effective equivalent range of a down-loaded bullet by comparing the RPM rather than the bullet velocity exclusively? Also, several high B.C. bullets are known for fragmenting in the air due to high rotational stress from fast twist barrels. That tells you that similar bullets are operating near their structural limit. You can't move their operating point so far away and expect a result representative of the 800 yard shot you equate it to.

@BILLHOVER 2 жыл бұрын

Should all be shot from the distance you are must likely to use them at, no need to use software when you have a high speed system to hand like they say a picture is worth a thousand words.

@johnstewart2011 2 жыл бұрын

I drafted a reply saying the same thing before reading this one. A quick search turned up several Internet discussions and articles stating that higher spin rates often produce greater bullet expansion, and therefore downloading to achieve lower muzzle velocities for short distance tests can produce misleading expansion results. How much? I don’t know, but it is something to consider.

@dinoc.5537 2 жыл бұрын

A specific test would be great. One that looks at the same impact velocity at the gel, with the difference being the effect of the spin due to downloading versus full distance shooting. If certain twist rates and velocities can burst a bullet in flight, centrifical forces may combine with impact to create a difference in total terminal ballistics. Worth a look? As far as intermediate points, with the resources it takes to do each distance shot, maybe picking a few standardized distances for everything would be worth a look. Say point blank would be 100 yards, then 300 for a practical intermediate, and 500 to 600 for maintaining some expansion comparison before they turn into “ice picks” and with some guarantee you can keep them centered in the blocks. Many decades of elk/muley hunting and hanging around the processing house tells me that many hunting bullets don’t expand well at distances where the speeds drop below 2200 fps on impact and then the shot placement is critical. YMMV

@bw6538 2 жыл бұрын

I think your right at the Marksman unit at ft benning they do there test on live pigs you can see real terminal performance I’ve been waiting decades for someone to come out with a high BC for the 25 caliber to use in my 2506 ackley improve next build would be a 257 weatherby probability eat barrels

@GetMeThere1 2 жыл бұрын

Great testing. Testing at lower velocity is IMPORTANT -- unless you're shooting you game at the muzzle, lol.

@Robo-dr8tk 2 жыл бұрын

Great video Gavin 👍, I like all the data, but I'm not up to date on some of the initial s. Like the two different BC. Could you give a run down on your data sheets one day . thanks Gavin. Luv the videos !

@sylviacandler5541 Жыл бұрын

I and everyone else would love to see gel blocks shot at reduced velocities or at a distance

@colewk1989 2 жыл бұрын

The 131 Ace has had phenomenal results while hunting and you had better groups with it! I’d love to see the gel shot with the Ace. Keep up the great work!

@Blair338RUM 2 жыл бұрын

Perfect performance at 2850 for deer broadside. Too explosive for quartering away shots. Would be interesting to compare Swift Scirocco II and Accubond penetration and retained weight against the Bergers.

@MrJtin69 2 жыл бұрын

Therea great articles out that temp wound channels arent as damaging as one would think in review from surgeons and vets and hunting test recently

@nospam3409 2 жыл бұрын

Love what you guys do, just can't believe that rifle won't shoot that projectile 1/4 moa or better.

@raywells2858 2 жыл бұрын

GREAT video! I loved the fact that you down loaded it to simulate down range performance, something most dont do! I find test like that to be head and shoulders above the rest. I would love to see what velocity it takes to get some modest expansion and find out at what range that would apply to. Finally there is a high BC bullet for the 25 cal. in hunting applications. Now I am looking at my 30-06 thats sitting in the gun cabinet and wondering if maybe rebarreling it to 25-06 would be better than rebarreling to 6.5-06. I wonder too how would this perform on a 308 case instead of a 30-06 case and what the difference would be...

@K-bob_45 2 жыл бұрын

Lol why bother rebarreling the 30-06. With it’s likely 1/10 twist just load it up with 200’s at 2700 and beat the brakes off these other cartridges

@kurtbogle2973 2 жыл бұрын

I would suspect that this puts the 25 cal on the radar of the Silhouette shooters.

@jonathonsissom6655 2 жыл бұрын

I know a few people have said from what they have seen you need 2k-2.2k fps for reliable expansion.

@ernstscholz3323 Жыл бұрын

Verry interesting.Exactly what I experienced over the years with my hunting rifle bullets on game.Every rifle load,barrel twist and length and bullet construction and weight had it's optimal penetration velocity(speed) node!Keeping a load or changing the twist rate or barrel length(velocity) or distance shot(again velocity change) changed the penetration "index"! Extreme cases were where I shot a wounded buffalo on the shoulder at a very long distance for caliber .375(a 378Wby).It was at 267 meters and the bullet with a 1:12 twist barrel passed righ throuh!In other occasions I shot with the same cartridge and rifle at 10m to 35m and the bullet hardly reached under the other side under the skin or even in the "meat"!The bullets that were used were Banes TSX in 350gr.I experienced the same with my 300Wby,257Wby,240Wby,460Wby,375H&H,7×57,8×57,30-06,308,9,3×62,22-250 and the 6,5×68!To balance your load to your rifle and your twist and length of your barrel for a ceartain species or shooting distance could also vet the ultimate out of your combonation.This is where one swears by one rifle and load combonation and a nother person curses it.They could have experienced a complete different result with all beeing equal except shooting distance at "game" so different velocities at animal and on top some people expect different results and evaluates it different.One wants a bullet to pass through and stay together and somebody else likes the same bullet to stay inside the body and brake up,both call their bullet good. I am addicted to your you tube clips and they are the best of tbe best.Weldone and keep tbem rolling.I I could I would have ordered a rifle from you on a hartbeat!!!Merry Chrismas and a prosperous and save Newyear

@plstein20 2 жыл бұрын

Good video. Shoot at 2200 FPS and 2500 FPS for your next test. I mean, shooting all of the bullets every 200 FPS would be great, but if you are limited then I think these two velocities would give us a pretty good idea as to how bullets are likely to perform at various ranges.

@robbiek5oh 2 жыл бұрын

More downloaded velocity testing please; for grins, test a Nosler partition - the defacto hunting ballet

@stephenlandrum7770 2 жыл бұрын

Would love to see at what velocity the bullet makes a reasonable expansion!

@tonydevich7937 Жыл бұрын

It's good to know

@TheAlbertaChannel 9 ай бұрын

I do hope manufacturers start pumping out higher weight and BC bullets for the 25cals, but at the same time are also maybe going to have to develop new rifles with the appropriate twist rate

@cory8791 2 жыл бұрын

Great vid!! I wonder if bullet twist speed effects the bullets performance?

@randylong8156 2 жыл бұрын

I. Just sent in a new model 70 supergrade to be a 257 weatherby with a 7 twist. I shoot a 25/06 AI for every thing from Moose to Mice so I am stoked to see what I can get out of the 257 Roy.

@NBoutdoors18 2 жыл бұрын

I'd like to see how monolithic (barnes X, Nosler E-tip, and Hornady GMX) bullets compare to the lead core bullets especially at the lower impact velocities.

@kirkmartin2223 2 жыл бұрын

I have been shooting the 131 blackjacks in my fast twist 25-06AI. I built the rifle around ONE bullet, hoping that the industry would catch up with the times. And I looks like Berger is!!

@Remington-gf4fx 2 жыл бұрын

I did the same thing 25-06 a AI as well.

@geslayton 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve got a 7 twist 25-06 AI barrel ordered and plan on trying these bullets with it once it arrives. I’m just hoping I can keep them at magazine length in my savage rifle.

@Remington-gf4fx 2 жыл бұрын

@@geslayton what's you mag length

@jefferyyoder8718 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting video! I say try the same velocities with a bone in the gel

@K-bob_45 2 жыл бұрын

I’d work my way up like you said in 200 ft/sec increments. I’m betting 2000-2200 is where you see that good terminal performance become very consistent. Only thing I would’ve done different is started with a 180 accubond in 30-06. If there isn’t a standard by which all others are measured this should probably be it. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a cross word about the original accubonds other than the BC being lacking. But the the terminal performance seems to be at the top of the pile

@thecheapshot1065 2 жыл бұрын

I actually had a gunsmith that I talked to about building a custom rifle with me try to talk me out of a 25 blackjack rifle which I was on the fence with anyway because I don't know how many reamers if any are available for that then die cats will need to be made and it's an expensive proposition. However 25 creedmoor has been done a few times and is a little more common. What sold me is the blackjack being made on the Saum cartridge I heard was beating weatherby Magnums by 200 ft per second

@michaeltatalias7926 7 ай бұрын

Great video Is like to see insects is belly that tightly match the expected velocity at 100, 200, 300, 400 yards So that one could mentally equate expansion performance to the charts and graphs of drop and drift etc, velocity, and energy retained Plus comparison to mono-metal at same breaks - like a blackjacks (if you have any stored up somewhere), and maybe to lower BC copper/mono-metals for older cartridges like the 257 and 25-06

@cgreggain 2 жыл бұрын

My take away is the Berger 133g .25 bullet does not reliably expand at 1800ft/sec

@ewathoughts8476 2 жыл бұрын

Everyone is crazy about modern bullets. Do this with the old Nosler Partition.

@mela3054 2 жыл бұрын

I'm curious to see what it will do at Weatherby speeds...

@leonduspatrick1891 2 жыл бұрын

One variable in this test would be the RPM of the bullet, which effects bullet performance as well. If there is any way you can do this at range and compare would be interesting. My theory is the bullet would shed alot more weight at 800 yards at the higher RPM.

@viking9934 2 жыл бұрын

Please test the SST bullets in 6mm

@chadwood4296 2 жыл бұрын

Yes!!,..love my 25 CM,..have you had a chance to try these out in 25-06?)

@stevenwalker7928 Жыл бұрын

I like what you are doing

@Duckhunterbow 2 жыл бұрын

Probably don’t need to fill in the speed gaps on the front/fast half, but the difference between 1800 and 2000 would be neat to see.

@Drivapete 2 жыл бұрын

It would only make sense to start barrelling the 257 wby and 25-06 to 1:8 twist. Maybe the 257 Bob improved too?

@hugosalceda1973 2 жыл бұрын

Got a 257 Bob ackley with a 8twist and it beats the .25 creed in fps

@Drivapete 2 жыл бұрын

@@hugosalceda1973 probably by 300 to 400 fps. My 257 Weatherby is squirting out a 100gr Barnes TTSX at 3525 fps. I limit my range to 400yds on elk and 500yds on deer, 8 elk and 29 deer (so far). The only rifle I need is the one I shoot well.

@hugosalceda1973 2 жыл бұрын

@@Drivapete there is no doubt in anyone's mind the 257 weatherby is the Ferrari of the quarter bore.. But" at what cartridge expenses? And barrel life?..and overbore case with lots of in efficient use of powder.... ...not argument* to each is own. If we put apples to apples the most efficient and effective case here will the BOB!. With a big plus on $ dollar worth in savings. No animal will know or feel a difference in 250 to 400 fps when impacted by a certain bullet.. but every human WILL" feel the difference in recoil!.

@Drivapete 2 жыл бұрын

@@hugosalceda1973 you are absolutely correct in your analysis, not one word I can disagree with. In my opinion the wby is the ultimate .257 hunting round. No doubt any other .257 cartridge is easier on shoulders and barrels. I've also had great luck with the .257 bob and .250 Savage on deer and pigs. My dad bought me the Savage when I was 7yrs old, I still have that rifle today 50yrs later, it shoots as good as the day he bought it. 100gr silver tip Winchester ammo is the ticket with a .250 Savage. If you can find it !!!

@pilot4them2010 2 жыл бұрын

I would like to see this test on the Berger 156 EOL Elite Hunter Bullet for 6.5 Creedmoor.

@devinb3397 2 жыл бұрын

Good stuff. My dream is for someone to come out for a very high BC bonded projectile for hunting out to 500 yards or so. something with the BC of a Berger or ELDM, but strength of an accubond. For hunting large game like elk or sambar deer here in aus. 500 yards tops to keep velocity high enough and I’m not sure I’d want to shoot further than that anyway

@devinb3397 2 жыл бұрын

@Travis Fox yep that would be awesome. Nice and soft tip but the shank will ensure enough penetration for close shots. I think a few designs like that exist out there with a soft tip and copper shank but they don’t fly as well as people hoped

@thestacche6898 2 жыл бұрын

i wanna see how the match 140 and 147 does at 1800, also the speed you think is the max for those bullets. ie speed that still gives enough expansion maybe 2000 fps.

@jeff9062 2 жыл бұрын

Can you guys do a video on Hammer bullets or Cutting edge bullets?

@nebraskaman8247 2 жыл бұрын

I think they intentionally make those bullets to have just devastating hydrostatic shock, and not worry as much about weight retention. Besides being able to penetrate imo. Hey UL Reloader…how about a video with a Bartlein gain twist barrel

@ravenclark62 2 жыл бұрын

Could y’all please test the 120gr Nosler Partition in the 25 Creedmoor:)?

@davidbartch8917 2 жыл бұрын

That's what i have been waiting for just need to find somebody to build a rifle for me! Blackjack bullets make 130 grain 25 calibers.

@carterthiessen2664 2 жыл бұрын

Someone needs to build an 8 twist 257 wby mag. This bullet would absolutely fly, ideal pronghorn rifle. Bucks the wind far better than most 25 cal bullets

@shannonnunn 2 жыл бұрын

Yep, weatherby should

@jopriga 2 жыл бұрын

the "problem" with down loaded ammo is that you don't get the bullet to spin @ the same RPM´s that you would with a full load. I has to make a difference in the gel tests. Maybe you need to figure out a way to get hits on the gel out on the distance.

@russellkeeling9712 2 жыл бұрын

So the rifles that shoot the 135 grain bullets also have to have a tighter twist rate to stabilize them right. It kind of makes it an easy decision whether to buy these bullets if you already own a 1 in 10 twist rifle.

@terrellstandefer6646 2 жыл бұрын

I know it's a long action but y'all are chasing a 257 rob loaded pretty mild or a the 25-06 plinking load. I've got a lot of game 200-400 yards with 117 or 120 grain. I think this bullet is loosing all purpose in a short action but would be great for a medium length case in a long action. Just my opinion but I'm glad that bullet is out there because it's perfect for the rob and you can make brass out of a lot of other things for it. Shit now I'm rambling like I'm talking to you but I hope you get my point.

@kcv5716 2 жыл бұрын

How does a suppressor change velocity? Most bolt action reloaders don't crimp bullets but would it change the ballistics?

@ranger4219 2 жыл бұрын

I'm really getting hooked on the heavy for caliber bullets. 133 135 25 cal, looking to get a 25.06 and replace barrel with a 1:8 or 1:7.5 e 6mm creed heavy barrel. That would solve the stabilization issues. Curious, is there enough room without compression/crunch in bolt gun?

@kevingeary1472 Жыл бұрын

I would love to see you guys do this in 100 fps increments

@Ultimatereloader Жыл бұрын

That would be awesome, and would requite a TON of Gel :)

@beckyglenn1974 2 жыл бұрын

Dave Glenn, I would like to see what kind of performance you could obtain with the .257 Weatherby Mag. I suspect you would have 3-4oo more fps that might actually expand at the 800 yard velocity ( coupled with a much higher rotation of the bullet ). Not practical for PRC matches but it may be the uber 25 cal hunting round. Good work on the video.

@rich7331 10 ай бұрын

i built a 257 wby around this bullet. keep in mind it has a 30" barrel but. 74gr n570 powder at ~61k psi 3400 fps.

@Peace-ju9us 2 жыл бұрын

during the the test shot, the gel block moves a lot, but a deer would not move as much , so , do you think more energy will be in the terminal effects?

@SL8408 2 жыл бұрын

Hey guys thanks for listening!!! This was pretty much what we were asking for. I'm currious for you guys to talk about how the ELDx did. As for your ideas of different distances to down load. Id say 100-400-800 (1800fps?) and how about 1000 yds(1400-1500fps)? I think the big queation would be, is there an overall best choice for long range, short range (

@baconator754 2 жыл бұрын

What stands out for me is that at the simulated long range, the bullet doesn’t really expand much near the entrance. On a typical deer, it might not expand at all because it would have already exited. Real deer, of course, are encased in hair, skin, and bone, so what would really occur remains unknown. The other question is how such a bullet would fare on an angled shot from say, the last rib forward into the chest, not at all an unusual occurrence. Thanks for all the great content.

@bruceinoz8002 2 жыл бұрын

There is a major catch with "simulated" long-range" ballistic testing: SPIN RATE. And spin rate is directly related to muzzle velocity and barrel twist rate. "Simulating" down-range velocities by down-loading is not representative of "reality" For a start, the bullet may not be going fast enough at the muzzle to have achieved sufficient SPIN, to correctly stabilize. Furthermore, high MVs and fast twist rates put a LOT of stress on bullet construction. The temperature induced by bore friction stacked on top od propellant gas heat can "soften" the core. If the jacket is insufficiently robust, the mushy core will try to burst radially out through the super-heated, jacket. Furthermore, the bullet is still VERY hot and thus more malleable when it whacks the deer-hide. It would be interesting to see the thermal imaging of a high-velocity bullet striking "body-temperature ballistics gel. Now, there's a video episode idea for someone. Lots of literature on the development of early .22 cal and .17 cal centre-fire wildcats noted this very problem. Home (and even commercially) made bullets were doing the "grey mist thing" a few feet from the muzzle until folks started using thicker and therefore tougher jackets. The longer bullets in ANY calibre are also torsionally stressed at the point of rifling engagement. The pointy end is being rotated VIOLENTLY at that moment, whilst inertia is resisting that twist at the rear of the bullet. My first "proper" hunting rifle was a pre-loved .25-06 built on a Springfield 03A3 action and nicely bedded in a fancy Fajen stock, as was the rage in the early -mid 1970's. It had an appetite for very expensive (relatively, at that time) powders like the original Hodgedon 4831 ( repackaged .50 BMG propellant), or Nobels "Zero".For a kid at high-school, it was a mixed bag to use. This rifle was expensive to run, but spectacularly effective on game; I stayed with the 100gn bullets, just like those that came with the deal. I tried 120s, but on the feral pigs we were shooting, there was no discernible advantage. 130gn, super-long, .257" bullets would seem to be more a seriously specialist target rifle proposition, rather than a "walk in the woods" option. But that's just my pre-inflation 2 cents worth..

@baconator754 2 жыл бұрын

@@bruceinoz8002 I considered that as well. I’ve witnessed the smoke trail and the target pinwheel from a .220 Swift, long ago and far away. I’ve also theorized that fast-twists can result in increased fragmentation and wound damage, but with all the variables involved in shots on game, it’d be pretty hard to measure. As for the heat factor, one claim made by Hornady for their ELD- bullets is the heat-resistant tip, important because the bullet gets hotter as it travels, hot enough to melt ordinary tips. You made good points.

@rickvann3489 2 жыл бұрын

250 fps increments then when it expands back it of in 50 fps increments until no expansion. I'm a fan of the 133 weight for the .25

@russellkeeling9712 2 жыл бұрын

Is the length of the bullet the reason you would have to have a custom barrel put on your rifle because seating the bullet deep enough to work would take a lot of room in the case that powder would normally occupy?

@laynemccormic9102 2 жыл бұрын

What does .25 cal bring to the table over 6mm or 6.5mm

@aaronraadleviathanofvoid5436 2 жыл бұрын

A 132.5gr .257 should have the equivalent sectional density of a 140gr .264, Berger did their homework on this one too.

@bruceinoz8002 2 жыл бұрын

There is a major catch with "simulated" long-range" ballistic testing: SPIN RATE. And spin rate is directly related to muzzle velocity and barrel twist rate. "Simulating" down-range velocities by down-loading is not representative of "reality" For a start, the bullet may not be going fast enough at the muzzle to have achieved sufficient SPIN, to correctly stabilize. Furthermore, high MVs and fast twist rates put a LOT of stress on bullet construction. The temperature induced by bore friction stacked on top od propellant gas heat can "soften" the core. If the jacket is insufficiently robust, the mushy core will try to burst radially out through the super-heated, jacket. Furthermore, the bullet is still VERY hot and thus more malleable when it whacks the deer-hide. It would be interesting to see the thermal imaging of a high-velocity bullet striking "body-temperature" ballistics gel. Now, there's a video episode idea for someone. Lots of literature on the development of early .22 cal and .17 cal centre-fire wildcats noted this very problem. Home (and even commercially) made bullets were doing the "grey mist thing" a few feet from the muzzle until folks started using thicker and therefore tougher jackets. The longer bullets in ANY calibre are also torsionally stressed at the point of rifling engagement. The pointy end is being rotated VIOLENTLY at that moment, whilst inertia is resisting that twist at the rear of the bullet. Anyone playing with "progressive twist" rifling. The old 6.5 x 52 1891 Italian Carcano RIFLES, (Not the later Model 38 6.5 x 52 carbines), had progressive twist, so it's not exactly a recent idea. My first "proper" hunting rifle was a pre-loved .25-06 built on a Springfield 03A3 action and nicely bedded in a fancy Fajen stock, as was the rage in the early -mid 1970's. It had an appetite for very expensive (relatively, at that time) powders like the original Hodgedon 4831 ( repackaged .50 BMG propellant), or Nobels "Zero". For a kid at high-school, it was a mixed bag to use. This rifle was expensive to run, but spectacularly effective on game; I stayed with the 100gn bullets, just like those that came with the deal. I tried 120s, but on the feral pigs we were shooting, there was no discernible advantage. 133gn, super-long, .257" bullets would seem to be more a seriously specialist target rifle proposition, rather than a "walk in the woods" option. But that's just my pre-inflation 2 cents worth..

@Peace-ju9us 2 жыл бұрын

what reason is there why the military does not use the 25-creedmoor as a sniper cartridge? Seems accurate enough.

@AA-pf9dh 2 жыл бұрын

Are you doing any measurements for “Felt Energy”?

@garymcginnis2035 2 жыл бұрын

I want a 26 inch one in 7 twist barrel for my 25-06

@Mark-gl2fz 2 жыл бұрын

Can you test 22-250 77 grain hunting?

@thecheapshot1065 2 жыл бұрын

I have a 270 Ackley built on a Remington 721 platform and I was thinking to turn it into a precision target rifle I'll need a quality precision barrel look better way then to make a 25-06 with an elongated throat to handle the burger bullets in a faster twist rate. I'm sure there's more to it but a 25-06 Ackley or Sherman designed around handling the 135 Burger bullets but able to plink with the 90 or 105 grain bullets. Never be the perfect rifle for long range target shooting for an older guy with bad shoulders

@WidowMaker28 2 жыл бұрын

Great vid guys, I got a 25-45 Sharp's that I want to test this year on a whitetail. I wish someone would test some heavier bullets then 87 gn. I did do some testing on 100 gn Speer Hot-Cor bullet. But would it be feasible to do say a Combined Technology .257 115 gn bullet? I've seen what they do on Whitetail from a 30-06 and lets just say I could put my fist in where the bullet entered.

@geslayton 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve shot several deer and a lot of hogs with the 25-45 Sharps. I struggled to get 100 grain bullets going fast enough to suit me past 150 yards or so. The 87 grain Sierra or Speer bullets have performed perfectly for me! I use them interchangeably, they have the same POI and I can’t tell any difference in terminal performance.

@wishiwasinidaho4780 2 жыл бұрын

There a reason why a chrono isn't set up for the jell tests? Seems actual real velocity of tested bullet might be good info.

@jcohenoutdoors 2 жыл бұрын

I think most hunters zero for max point blank range. I’d like to see you guys calculate the approximate max point blank range on a 6 or 8 inch target, then gel test at that velocity.

@jeffreywilson690 2 жыл бұрын

When you download to replicate long-range velocity testing do you not also lose some rotational velocity to what it actually would have been at 3 or 400 yards

@dennishall9173 2 жыл бұрын

Gavin how much for you to biled me a 25creedmor or even better a 25 prc

@cmoslof 2 жыл бұрын

Would be interesting to see how it performs shooting through a shoulder bone. The gunwerks guys swear by the high shoulder shot cause shooting through the shoulder helps those bullets expand.

@andrewmohs4734 2 жыл бұрын

Just commenting to discuss and not to argue: Why waste the shoulder meat? Are they shooting the high shoulder because it's a guaranteed instant drop and looks better on camera?

@cmoslof 2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewmohs4734 they say it helps to make the VLD type bullets begin to expand. They also say it helps prevent the animals from running after getting shot. So it helps with recovery especially in really tough terrain.

@andrewmohs4734 2 жыл бұрын

@@cmoslof I suppose that make sense in certain scenarios. I.E It would suck to have an animal tumble all the down some terrain that you would otherwise have to drag uphill.

@Mattytube18 2 жыл бұрын

Can you do this test with Badlands Bulldozers 2 ? They’re copper solids. They have a 110 grain that works in a 7 twist. I can link you with the owners.