Ultra Rare Bronze Heads & Hi Rise Intake Make The Ultimate Flathead Engine

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Жыл бұрын

This summer Matt started working on an engine for the 1932 Ford Roadster, that turned into a lot more then just a re-gasket. The engine will need to be set away to have the bearings for the crank replaced and the whole bottom end gone over for any other issues. Luckily Matt is a hoarder and had another flathead sitting that could be used. Ironically this engine was used as mock up in the car back when the car got worked on. The "new" flathead came from an estate in Wilmington, NC, where the story was told that this engine was used as a cackle engine at local hot rod shows. Matt and Steve first test the engine on the run stand to see if there are any issues, and then install the copper heads and intake. Matt also did a bench line on the time it took the engine to get up to temp versus the copper heads. Can't wait to hear this engine in the 32 Roadster!!
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@robertlabaw2037 Жыл бұрын

Now you need to do a little work with a brass wire brush on the exposed portions of those copper heads and make them shine!

@ImGdiddy 11 ай бұрын

Come now! Shiny is not Matt’s style. You actually don’t think that he would ruin his “perfectly chitty” heads do you?😜

@hdvette64 Жыл бұрын

I never heard of the copper heads before, they must be rare. You said the previous owner used to fire it up at car shows just to listen to it cackle, flatheads have such a unique sound. Gotta love it! Flathead Jack Schaefer told me a story about a motor he built that had duel carbs, and all the chrome goodies for a farmer In Sacramento to run his irrigation pump. He said he would drink beer and listen to it cackle! Good shit

@matthewdeibert3000 Жыл бұрын

Sacramento PA or California?

@hdvette64 Жыл бұрын

@@matthewdeibert3000 California, I didn’t know we had one in Pa. Now if it was Hosensack

@garyolafson8303 Жыл бұрын

funny; ' We just discovered Air Conditioning ' said by Steve. Good one, made me laugh

@IronTrapGarage Жыл бұрын

He’s got some great one liners!

@mackdickson1209 Жыл бұрын

Makes me want to start tearing down and building 1 of the flatties I have, I should have all the bits I need now. Gotta love that sound.

@mrbrooks9969 Жыл бұрын

Go for it Mack.

@mackdickson1209 Жыл бұрын

@@mrbrooks9969 Just trying to find someone local that does magnafluxing and soak for the several blocks i have, all barn finds and fairly choked up.

@edwardkosol8891 Жыл бұрын

On your crank with the tight bearing. It was never ground just hand polished. When you hand polish a journal you can easily hour glass the shape and it is correct in the middle and tight at the edges. Learned that the hard way.

@IronTrapGarage Жыл бұрын

Good point!

@industrialpalletworx3548 Жыл бұрын

I love it. My pappy back in the day raced flat heads locally. He had a book he would use to get more out of them for racing. It was called something like backyard hop up or Hotrod hop up. Something along those lines. But I heard lots of stories about building and racing flatheads as a little kid. The biggest one I remember hearing was packing the heads with asbestos to increase the compression. Building your own intakes to put more carbs on was another one. Good times.

@thomasst.martin3308 Жыл бұрын

Anxious to see how this motor goes down the road with no coolant heads. Can't wait.

@donf3877 Жыл бұрын

Man... if I had an old roadster with a flatie... THAT is the lope I would want at idle!!! MEAN as hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@simonlane1277 Жыл бұрын

Those heads are amongst the coolest out there. They must be so easy to cast (without hollow water passages) I can't believe other manufacturers didn't pick up on the idea - unless they don't work so well. I'm sure Matt will keep us informed on that.

@comethiburs2326 11 ай бұрын

they absolutely dont. the lack of water jackets means the block runs hotter over time, as they say in the video, the heat creeps once the block is shut off. it was a feature and a problem with the early flathead heads. that's why so many aftermarket heads feature enlarged water channels, external pipes or thicker jacket cores... the flathead is a peculiar engine because it is NOT happy when hot rodded without paying attention to cooling, as it came with a hot temper from the factory on that front. gotta thank ford for that uneven water jacket job, horrible water routing... and excessive confidence into obsolete concepts (as of the late 30's) like thermosyphon cooling. hence the ardun, smith and alexander aftermarket heads. which found that the 3 main bearing block didnt like the newly found high rpm freedom all that much.

@shotsrodder Жыл бұрын

She’s got a little chop to her 😂 sounds sweet 😎

@travisbradley9458 Жыл бұрын

reminds me of my first car. 36 Ford 5 window coupe. It had a 39 Ford engine in it with a dual carb setup and Denver Truck heads and Dual exhaust. Ran great. Still wish I had it.

@carlyleporter5388 10 ай бұрын

Nothing more to be admired than open wheel roadsters are open elbow coats. What impressive affluence !!

@ronnorman1367 Жыл бұрын

Just checked out your channel for the first time looks like you guys know what you're doing keep up the good work I'll be watching

@deuceman32 Жыл бұрын

Excellent. You are in some good company now...... The Bob McGee/Dick Scritchfield/Bruce Meyer roadster also wears a pair of Federal Mogul bronze heads on the current 37 block, just as it did originally with it's 34 block in the late forties. Of course on that car they got shined up a little............

@mikeyt3940 Жыл бұрын

A little chop at idle, and sounds sooooo good. Very nice flatty, should be a lot of fun and smiles.

@StevenMilne-sm4fk 5 ай бұрын

Such wonderful engines. My dad would say, you can’t hear em running when you get em tuned.

@handyhippie6548 Жыл бұрын

copper/bronze absorbs, retains and dissipates heat much differently than aluminum. that's why cooking pans and pots have copper in them. the heat is distributed more evenly, and is retained in the pan longer to make cooking quicker and reduce hot spots in the pan that can burn your food. i have chunks of copper on my woodstove to make heating my house more efficient. bronze is just an alloy of copper and tin.

@hardlyworgen71 Жыл бұрын

The Jay Leno video with Bruce Meyer and the McGee Roadster is the only other time I have heard of copper cylinder heads.

@ronnorman1367 Жыл бұрын

I got to be honest I've got to be 100% honest that motor sounds amazing I was so just a blown away how great it sounded when you first hit it it's cold and that motor sparked right up wow again wow

@IronTrapGarage Жыл бұрын

A hot Flathead sounds so good!

@terryeustice5399 Жыл бұрын

Glad you got your engine ready. Can’t wait for first drive. Thanks Matt for sharing

@robertszymanski7804 Жыл бұрын

Hi Matt, love your new engine and the fantastic episode of ITG R&D (research and development) 😎👍💕

@jrweis4917 Жыл бұрын

Nasty sounding flatty. It sounds streetable to me. A cam is only too big if it doesn't fit in the engine!

@IronTrapGarage Жыл бұрын

Haha that’s a great quote!

@rona1144 Жыл бұрын

Looks like you have interesting wall hangers now. I noticed that was the easiest head to come off, no tapping, or wedging, then Steve said the holes were bigger. Makes sense.

@michaelguinn5736 Жыл бұрын

Morning Matt & Steve! Your run stand seems to be working out....I'm not much of a flat head guy, but I do like the vintage OHV motors, y'all be safe, God Bless!!

@pinwizz69 Жыл бұрын

That's gonna be a nice engine to put in that particular car. It's amazing the amount of knowledge you guys have between the 3 of you. You're definitely one Awesome team of guys Matt, Mike and Steve.

@IronTrapGarage Жыл бұрын

Thanks Ronnie!

@chrispiazza7487 Жыл бұрын

I've been watching your postings for years, and this was perhaps my most favorite

@IronTrapGarage Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@gandklyons102 Жыл бұрын

A very familiar set of issues that you went through there Matt. I experienced almost identical issues on my 8BA shortly after bringing home my 39 Mercury. It was my first flathead ever so the learning curve was steep ! It was great to see the way you and Steve tackled it and problem solved. Yep !! I agree that it really sucked to see the Weiand heads drilled out and therefore making them wall hangers. That's ok ... I can take them off your hands and they can become wall hangers in my workshop :)

@jimandlinsnow7002 Жыл бұрын

Good stuff. Jack is going to love it when he sees it.😊

@jimschafer9196 Жыл бұрын

Very good reveal on this old iron, heads are awesome, manifold just before you pointed out the heater ports on the carb base I was thinking boy that manifold is going to freeze up. Back in the day I made a manifold and had to insulate and bring some heat to it to prevent if from freezing.

@desmondcooper3590 Жыл бұрын

That's a badass flatty!!!! Sounds awesome.

@matthewlawson5350 7 ай бұрын

Freaking amazing, love the old speed equipment. And the sound, did I mention the sound. =)

@nastynickftw6410 Жыл бұрын

Sure worth the work to hear that baby sing

@mikeseawel6180 Жыл бұрын

I'd like to see those heads polished. I bet they would look pretty good.

@kapekodbob Жыл бұрын

As I've mentioned before I had a53 Merc with those Wiend heads, 3/4 race wolverine cam, Jahns pistons and 3 dueces with a dual points dizzy and electriv FP. I did not build it but the person I bought it from did and he did all they knew what to do back in the 60's. Had a lot of problems with the dual point and went back to stock so I could drive it as a DD. Still had problems with vapor lock I thought but may have been over filled float bowl and had to wait for awhile before attempting restart. It sound exactly like mine did and you should have no problem street running. It was in my 41 coupe. Love the channel, been watching since the begining. BTW, more Kate !

@IronTrapGarage Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Bob!

@classactkirk Жыл бұрын

Just badass,gotta expose the brass..that's the exact kinda motor that deserves to be in that car..

@edwinjstephens4958 Жыл бұрын

Hello there cowboy here again I gotta say very cool awesome job this thing will turn heads and invoke deep conversations for sure can't wait to see people's reaction to this thing just wish it could be mine LoL sweet remember always be safe healthy and happy God Bless 🤠

@quagmiredavis4117 Жыл бұрын

My grandfather loves the work you guys do with these flathead engines...the one on the stand sounds like one in his 40 ford truck Nasty cam crap at idle but running from revenue boys flat out at 100+ its a beast .. you should hear his 50 merc .. and 35 ford Great video thanks Also that engine needs studs and permatex aviation form a gasket shellac perfect for flatmotor

@marksanders1942 Жыл бұрын

That’s awesome. I never knew about copper heads. Never seen any

@jeffreystpierre6898 Жыл бұрын

Never thought a flat head could sound so good

@shartne Жыл бұрын

That engine runs nice only a little bit of smoke but not bad. I like the run stand. I would like to see you lay someEastwood Matte Black Rust Encapsulator on the dash or whole stand so it would look better. It would be fun.

@brettmiller9609 Жыл бұрын

Those heads would be amazing polished

@markcors949 Жыл бұрын

That's a nice looking motor. All the hoses and plumbing need to be up to that level of rarity.

@jasonk8734 Жыл бұрын

The McGee roadster has copper heads nice build

@IronTrapGarage Жыл бұрын

Yep thought it was the McGee that had them!

@michaelbenardo5695 Жыл бұрын

I have heard of the copper heads, but didn't know that they had no water passages. Copper must be a fantastic conductor of heat! Hope it all works out!

@DeweyCheatumNHoweLLC Жыл бұрын

Matt and Steve getting all scientific on us. Next you'll be in white lab coats. Great stuff, though. Love the sound of a flathead. Maybe I'll go fire up my 8n

@DavidHorsnall Жыл бұрын

Great episode.

@bradeastham5494 Жыл бұрын

Sounds healthy, straight pipes must the the order of the day? 😉 can’t wait to see it in there!

@gerrymilidantri6457 Жыл бұрын

The copper is harder, has a better tensile strength (stronger ) and transfers heat better. That is why you can have a thinner head then Aluminum . Very cool I never knew about these copper heads great content !

@IronTrapGarage Жыл бұрын

Thanks Gerry! I’m sure people a lot smarter than us can explain the science behind why these “should” work, but we’re just gonna give it a try!

@timstull1355 Жыл бұрын

Copper head gaskets will also help pull the heat out of the motor to then transfer it to the copper heads... This is a trick with flathead harleys.. the fiber head gaskets act as a heat insulator which doesnt matter when there is water in the heads as the water helps transfer the heat.. i would use a copper head gasket with those solid copper heads.. also the reason the couple of head studs were loose is because the copper head needed to annel itself with the heat and then could conform to the new motors block surface.. they were still ridged and stiff and shaped to the old motor they were on... Great video..!

@kendonahve924 11 ай бұрын

New subscriber to your channel. I'm old enough ro remember when the Ford flad head V8 was tne hot engine on my block, though even then I was a Chevy kid. Happy you have an engine for your hot rod. Just a note on the copper heads, ... and you have quite a bit of comments on this so I don't want to come across as arrogant, but a bronze alloy of copper and zinc would be much stronger in some ways. Could it be bronze?

@leeakers4525 Жыл бұрын

RE: The intakes. The cold air adds more air volume, creating an effective higher compression.

@shotsrodder Жыл бұрын

Some of the things that you have to look out for when buying used heads 😬

@johnkranz4004 Жыл бұрын

Sounds good Definitely nice Heads

@avrahamg7925 Жыл бұрын

Congratulations best of luck

@crippleguy415 11 ай бұрын

Damn that sounds AWESOME 👍🏻😃.

@robertverhasselt2412 Жыл бұрын

Running a FHF without coolant, even for a short time, is a time tested method for cracking blocks. Congratulations!

@IronTrapGarage Жыл бұрын

It sure isn’t. It won’t crack from running for a few seconds. Flatheads crack from water freezing in them.

@robertverhasselt2412 Жыл бұрын

@@IronTrapGarage Sorry but they also crack from the stress generated between the room temperature cast iron and the 1200’F + exhaust gas . Probably all those years designing cast iron steam generators and building FHF for Weisglass Stadium but you guys do what you want. PS Steve is the best!

@Ecosse57 Жыл бұрын

those heads look wicked cool. it just blows my mind that with the gigantic amount of parts avaliable for the flathead, and boomers generally with money to spend, there is nobody making blocks; french blocks are all but dried up too. hell, you can buy pontiac and buick ohv blocks!

@buza1300 Жыл бұрын

😎💙👍 sounds amazing with straight pipes🤘👍

@bobdupre3721 Жыл бұрын

very good job

@richardwirt3193 Жыл бұрын

Nice job

@shoominati23 Жыл бұрын

Those Super Hi-RIse Eddie Meyer 2 carb manifolds are the ticket, or the Offenhauser triple 94 manifold with the fuel pump drive up front - class of '49 style

@lloydbaker7099 Жыл бұрын

Super rare super cool content

@FoxSpeedshop Жыл бұрын

Love the run stand, considered building one myself for the engines i build but lack space. You got a bit of a water leak by the tank? Hope its water not fuel anyway, much cheaper lol

@therustyshoe8958 Жыл бұрын

you should dip the heads in a DE tarnisher. That would be a cool look

@donhoughton271 Жыл бұрын

Very cool 😎

@clintonsmith9931 Жыл бұрын

Always like those engines that “they said”

@josephtome9600 Жыл бұрын

It must be that the alloy they are made from is conducting enough heat to the block to render water cooling not necessary.

@rayrayadkins6178 Жыл бұрын

I cannot wait to see that roaster go down the road mat I've been waiting and waiting for you to put some bad a** parts high collectible parts on that automotive and make it run

@demonic477 Жыл бұрын

If the heads are made of aluminum and you have a local welder that can weld aluminum you should be able to weld the holes in the heads up and re drill them to the proper size . it never hurts to try and save a good set of heads especially with original heads being as rare as they are .

@IronTrapGarage Жыл бұрын

Yea definitely something I could do. Just a matter of the time involved versus the reward/being worth it. Won’t scrap them that’s for sure!

@1954shadow Жыл бұрын

“It’s an intake’ it’s an ice maker!”

@IronTrapGarage Жыл бұрын

Ha!

@minbannister3625 Жыл бұрын

Federal Mogul heads are bronze that's an alloy of copper and tin. Copper would be too soft on it's own and the zinc content in brass would make brass too brittle.

@MrJeep75 Жыл бұрын

I always run a tread chaser In the holes before I put heads on

@russupholster8221 Жыл бұрын

You could hear the difference with the copper heads, much cleaner and crisper sounding.

@larryfischer1970 Жыл бұрын

Years ago I worked at a business that had a Dodge Truck , it's V8 engine had a tall intake with a very tall 2 barrel carb , when running it formed ice on the outside of the carb all the time,

@garyluck8502 11 ай бұрын

I have farm tractors that will get cold and sweat on the sides of carb when running

@michaelbenardo5695 Жыл бұрын

When Ford came out with the Falcon in 1960, they didn't have a V8 that would fit in it. Would be kool to find a 60 or 61 with no engine or trans and put a flathead in it! You think it is narrow enough to fit?

@motorfreaknew Жыл бұрын

those copper heads are beautiful!!! 👌👌

@chuckhaynes6458 Жыл бұрын

Those are projection core spark plugs. Champion uses a "Y" suffex. OHV only. The taper seal with no washer tells me they are for a Ford. OHV. Might have some spare plugs for the big Ford truck. Will Model A plugs fit in those heads?

@henryg683 Жыл бұрын

I’m hoping you’ll be able to get those studs sealed and not be getting a problem with it like the other guys motor had sounding like it could be a Achilles heel with these motors and could cause trouble down the road and how can you know it’s happening because it’s so tough to see the problem!!!

@danielkeel9265 Жыл бұрын

Are you going show standard or patina? Just 'cause I'm curious. Looking forward to future instalments either way! Keep it up!

@IronTrapGarage Жыл бұрын

Keeping it perfectly shitty

@joek1960 Жыл бұрын

Running coolant through the intake riser could help cool the engine.

@IronTrapGarage Жыл бұрын

Not really. It’s there to equalize the air/fuel charge coming into the engine and reduce the chance of the intake frosting up in cold weather. So when it’s hot out I’d rather a colder shot of fuel and air going into the engine versus warming it up with 180-190F coolant.

@leeroyholloway4277 Жыл бұрын

@@IronTrapGarage I run updraft Strombergs on a couple of vintage airplanes. They are notorious for icing up in the venturi at low RPMs. We have a diversion valve (carb heat control in the cockpit) that pulls hot air from a "heat muff" on the exhaust system to guard against carb ice. You may experience internal icing as well with your set up. If the engine starts running rough for some unknown reason, internal icing may be the culprit, even in hot, humid weather.

@leesherman100 Жыл бұрын

Invest in a coolant pressure checker. Find out first if heads or block died decades ago.

@CapnBubbaa Жыл бұрын

Are these the ones that used the bolt on water passages for these FM heads as I recall these were originally 2 pieces the Copper Bronze head & the Water jackets

@IronTrapGarage Жыл бұрын

The earlier versions of these heads were two piece and half aluminum half copper-bronze

@DKOsinga Жыл бұрын

Great Vid, I learned allot! Stupid questions… 1) For test stand / on start-up are you priming an electric fuel pump… have I got that right 2) Do you always use an electric fuel pump on you running Flatty’s, or a mechanical fuel pump? Thx, David

@IronTrapGarage Жыл бұрын

You can run either type of pump. We use an electric on the stand to bypass any potential old mechanical fuel pump issues and will put a mechanical on if running one in the car

@Mercmad Жыл бұрын

Are those Fed Mogal heads copper or Bronze? In New Zealand there was a guy making and selling bronze ford heads,but his were two piece design so the top could be removed and the water jackets cleaned out. I think they were mostly for boats .

@IronTrapGarage Жыл бұрын

Copper-bronze mix I believe.

@hotrodZack1948 Жыл бұрын

The plug in the middle of that one head is probably to fix a crack between the middle head bolt and the water jacket hole. Common thing to happen I had a few like that bad design by ford.

@dandodds1926 Жыл бұрын

Scientific!

@billbeyer657 Жыл бұрын

Are you going to plumb the intake manifold back into the cooling system or just block it off?

@IronTrapGarage Жыл бұрын

Probably just leave blocked off.

@luetner 8 ай бұрын

Hello, I have a 1930 home made boat tail a friend of mine built. He passed away and I bought it from his estate. It uses a lot of fuel and the oil is black as in a desiele. So I am wondering what jets are you using in those S 97's?

@ahupuaapunaokauai702 4 ай бұрын

Can I swap a Muncie on a flat head Ford?

@maryannherrschaft8842 Жыл бұрын

Polish those Heads!

@andyspencer3652 11 ай бұрын

I know NOTHING about flathead, but I see there are only 3 pipes on the headers. I remember something about.. siamese... is that what they are talking about??

@mrbrooks9969 Жыл бұрын

Engine sounded good, I'll bet the comments will come in for awhile.

@jerrypalmer1370 Жыл бұрын

Heliarc the holes and have them Remachine

@HansensSpeedShop Жыл бұрын

I think the new heads are cool but personally I just don’t feel like that’s what this car would have had on it when it was street racing in Detroit back in the 50s

@IronTrapGarage Жыл бұрын

No one knows what it had. So we have to just make that part up.

@justdale1966 Жыл бұрын

I was surprised you didn't have a fan on the engine or a fan in front of the radiator simulating driving down the road I'm assuming you just wanted to see idling in traffic temperature?

@IronTrapGarage Жыл бұрын

Correct.

@Orbacron 11 ай бұрын

Rpms we're higher in second test, so same time really

@usmclee65 Жыл бұрын

How come you don't run a radiator cap ?

@chuckb9867 Жыл бұрын

This is so cool I can't stand it

@dennisschickling2249 Жыл бұрын

Nice Video. #STAYSAFE #PHILLYPHILLY 🇺🇸

@ryanlargo921 Жыл бұрын

What’s temp thermostat are you running if it was running at 195? Thanks guys!!

@IronTrapGarage Жыл бұрын

No thermostat provision

@michaelbenardo5695 Жыл бұрын

@@IronTrapGarage There were thermostats that have no flange that go in the upper hoses. They were held in place with a hose clamp around it. If you can find any, give them a try.

@screwthecrewofpoliticians8921 Жыл бұрын

Could be my hearing or this dang phone. It sounded better with the copper heads the copper intake has to be one in a million

@gregl1824 Жыл бұрын

When you say copper heads , are they copper coated or actual copper?

@mackdickson1209 Жыл бұрын

I believe they are cast copper

@IronTrapGarage Жыл бұрын

Cast copper-bronze mix I believe

@gregl1824 Жыл бұрын

@@IronTrapGarage would they require different torquing specs with copper being more malleable? Interesting that they have no water jackets ... I guess with them being copper , it dissipates heat quicker and evenly.