Ultralight Hunting Backpack Review - Stone Glacier Terminus vs. Seek Outside Goshawk

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The battle of the ultralight backpack titans! Here is my analysis of the Seek Outside Goshawk 6300 vs the Stone Glacier Terminus 7000. If you want to enter to win either of these bags head over to Mindful Reviews. Comparing these two ultralight packs was a blast. These backpacks both go about trying to solve the same problems in very unique ways.
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0:00 - Intro
1:23 - Mindful Reviews community launch
5:44 - Tribalism in marketing
6:51 - Premium gear
7:39 - Individual pack preference
8:35 - 24 elements reviewed
9:49 - Scoring system
10:18 - Ultra vs. Cordura
16:29 - Marketing copy for Terminus
18:26 - Marketing copy for Goshawk
23:50 - Price
25:12 - Weight honesty
29:16 - Volume/weight
30:45 - Purchase experience
36:23 - Local bonus
40:28 - Lids
43:13 - Compression
53:31 - Fitting
1:04:15 - Construction
1:14:45 - Lumbar pads
1:15:18 - Load lifter angle
1:16:10 - Meat shelf
1:20:50 - Day pack mode
1:22:35 - Accessories
1:28:40 - Training mode
1:29:40 - Durability
1:31:48 - Water resistance
1:40:09 - Functional volume
1:42:01 - Hardware
1:42:23 - Load ratings
1:52:09 - Conclusion
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@Aloof_Buddha 19 күн бұрын

Gotta love people who take the time to be thorough and informative

@MindfulHunter 19 күн бұрын

💪

@ChasingGiants23 Жыл бұрын

Your reviews are SIMPLY NEXT LEVEL! Thanks for taking the time to make a fully comprehensive video...superstar

@MindfulHunter Жыл бұрын

Thanks man! Really appreciate that.

@kylestory3605 Жыл бұрын

Amazing review and engaging tests. I found myself nodding along and comparing my current bag and set up. Thank you for the content and couple hours of thought provoking entertainment.

@MindfulHunter Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@DR4Christ Жыл бұрын

Loved the Water Resistance test. Thank you for going the extra mile!!

@MindfulHunter Жыл бұрын

My pleasure. That one surprised me too!

@BackcountryRenegade Жыл бұрын

So you can compress the bottom of the goshawk. On the inside of the frame there are tabs that you can connect gatekeepers to and then attach it to the bottom tabs of the bag. Once you do that compresses just like the stone glacier.Also for the belt, if you dont want it floppy (floating) belt, then you just re-work it to the bottom strap which puts it in fixed mode. Easy fix. Kevin has a vid on that. You just have options with the belt rather then just fixed. I have my review coming on it and ill show that.

@MindfulHunter Жыл бұрын

Interesting. I’m gone for the next week on a hunt. I’ll check it out when I get home.

@MrTurkan26 Жыл бұрын

@@MindfulHunter kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a76Am7yhnbSRdGw.html on how to do that. Per your point regarding lumbar pad thickness, I believe just like the Exo pad, the Seek lumbar pad is adjustable in that you can open it up and stuff more/denser foam (or alternatively remove) to get an exact fit. Hope this helps!

@raydenlindley8723 Жыл бұрын

“Gear philosophy”-jay I think that is the key between most gear and especially with such niche packs or specially designed gear in general. Awesome review can’t wait to join your community!

@MindfulHunter Жыл бұрын

Appreciate that man! And can’t wait to build something great!

@SurvivalHunting Жыл бұрын

wow hell ya great review!! thank you so much

@MindfulHunter Жыл бұрын

Thanks man!

@grantcallegari Жыл бұрын

Nicely done Jay, yet another wonderful in-depth and fair review! I always get frustrated living in Canada and trying to purchase American made gear. We always get royally screwed over! I own a Seek Outside Brooks made from xpac and cordura. It's an awesome bag and so cavernous you could use it as a tent yet it compresses down really small. I compress the bottom of the bag with gatekeeper straps just like the Terminus. IMO Seek has such a comfortable frame, even under really heavy loads. It beats the Kifaru and Kuiu frames I also own. The gate keeper buckle thing took a bit of getting used to. I wasn't a huge fan to begin with but that all changed when I started to seriously use the pack and discovered how useful they are! I guess not for everyone though. Both of these companies make such great gear. Like you say, Stone is more plug and play and Seek is more versatile. Mac vs Linux. Can't go wrong with either.

@MindfulHunter Жыл бұрын

Appreciate the feedback!

@jesset245 Жыл бұрын

great review Jay !

@MindfulHunter Жыл бұрын

Thanks brother!

@Deez440 Жыл бұрын

Love this format man. I hope everyone can appreciate the amount of depth and detail your reviews provide as much as this viewer does. Keep ‘em coming brother!

@MindfulHunter Жыл бұрын

Much appreciated!

@jonathanhoward1497 Жыл бұрын

I mean, it’s a good review and all, but Percy stole the show and didn’t even say a word. Seriously though, I’ve just recently discovered your channel and I do enjoy your content and the way it’s presented. I’m actually headed over to your website to check it out right now. Thanks.

@MindfulHunter Жыл бұрын

Appreciate the feedback!

@095240 2 ай бұрын

Came for the backpacks stayed for the cat

@MindfulHunter 2 ай бұрын

🐈

@CD02 Жыл бұрын

Incredibly comprehensive Jay. Nice work.

@MindfulHunter Жыл бұрын

Always brother!

@DR4Christ Жыл бұрын

Because of the similar load capacity of the K3 - would you go with the Terminus over the K3 because it weighs so much less?

@MindfulHunter Жыл бұрын

I would not because the K3 has a load shelf which greatly increases it's overall capacity. If weight was my premium concern and 7000in3 was enough than the terminus wins.

@MrTurkan26 Жыл бұрын

Great review! Quick question Jay. With the SeekOutside, regarding daypack usage + compression, whilst it compresses kind of frumpy, what did you think about the ability to A) remove main bag and just run that Merlin as your basically day bag or B) squish the main bag completely so it is completely flat and just running with the merlin + lid? Did you think that would be a practical and good day pack system?

@MindfulHunter Жыл бұрын

No, not really. At that point why not just wear the Merlin? Also the Merlin does not fit on the frame independent of the main bag.

@kevintimm8873 Жыл бұрын

@@MindfulHunter That is not correct. Many people use a Merlin on the frame.

@MindfulHunter Жыл бұрын

@@kevintimm8873do you have any links to this? I’m looking at the bag now and don’t see how the suspension system would stay intact. The Merlin is missing the necessary hardware. I believe people do it I’m just honestly curious how.

@Deez440 Жыл бұрын

P.S. out of all the gear genres in the world. I think the one I’ve tweaked on more than any and spent way more money than anyone ever should is puffys. It would be very entertaining to see a puffy show down with your level of diligence.

@MindfulHunter Жыл бұрын

Great call man, it's definitely on the list!

@tengolengo Жыл бұрын

Any idea if the Access Bag from SG is compatible with the Terminus?

@MindfulHunter Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure but it doesn't look like it. Different strap and buckle configuration.

@MrTurkan26 Жыл бұрын

Sorry Jay just got 3 more questions from your review: 1. Did you find the short water bottle side pocket on the right practical for getting a nalgene in and out when hiking? 2. Did you find the tall side pocket on the left practical for anything or does the wingspan pocket just severely outshine it? 3. Did you have a chance attaching the load shelf inside the bag as opposed to between frame and bag? I have read a lot of users seem to think the load rides better and more stably inside the main bag that way than against the frame, but not sure how true that is. - Wouldn't using this internal load shelf system also help with the problem of everything sagging at the bottom and splaying out? Helping to keep the contents of your bag higher and more central if you use it almost like saddle? Thanks for any clarification you can offer for these Jay! Have been wondering them for a while

@MindfulHunter Жыл бұрын

Number one. In general I was not a fan of the Nalgene pocket. I have poor shoulder flexibility but there’s still no way I’d be able to reach back and get a water bottle out while wearing the pack. Also the fabric is a little short and I have concerns about the water bottles falling out. It’s also angled Somewhat oddly. And the compression straps only cover half the pocket. Number two. I think the side pocket is great you’ll be able to fit a spotter or a tripod in there no problem. Number three. A little confused by what you mean about attaching the load shelf inside of the main bag. I don’t think there’s any tab loops inside the bag. I could be wrong on this though I’m not at home right now. Also the load shelf material itself is quite small And there’s no way it would fill the diameter of the main chamber bag so I’m not even quite sure how that would work.

@MrTurkan26 Жыл бұрын

@@MindfulHunter Thanks for the detailed reply! appreciate it

@MrTurkan26 Жыл бұрын

@@MindfulHunter For context, 6 mins into their "water bottle" load shelf demo lol they show how to use the load shelf inside the main bag: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aJ95gcWjsLfcnac.html

@andrzejtaramina2709 Жыл бұрын

Love the cat!!!! Meowful Reviews. LOL

@MindfulHunter Жыл бұрын

I think he's going to have to be a regular.

@brianlaguardia9122 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for posting this - I am very interested in the Terminus 8700 as my large capacity bag for expeditions - but am finding few good reviews for this. How do you compare it to the Stone Glacier Sky Guide suspension/carry if you do not need the shelf (I would be carrying heavy loads, but not meat and not more than 80lbs)?

@MindfulHunter Жыл бұрын

That terminus is well equipped to carry 80lbs no problem.

@brianlaguardia9122 Жыл бұрын

@@MindfulHunter Any notes on how it compares to the Sky Guide (7900)?

@MindfulHunter Жыл бұрын

@@brianlaguardia9122 yeah not as good lol. It’s a minimalist pack so you are giving up some comfort and features.

@brianlaguardia9122 Жыл бұрын

@@MindfulHunter Thanks - price is close to the same so I wasn't clear how much stability/carrying capacity you were losing (beyond the ability to exchange packs and the shelf)

@ryleeiacolucci3429 Жыл бұрын

I haven't had the same experience with water resistance and the seek pack. I do believe you got that much water in the pack because of the seams. For example, there are a couple of spots on the pack where it'll be pretty obvious where water will collect and not run off. Using gear aid's seam sealer has stopped these leaks for me. Another possible spot is the water bottle pocket stitching since that's a low point where all water is running to. It would interesting if you could try seam sealing then try this again. I would like to see you examine every 5 minutes since that would help show the if you're caught in a rain storm situation to a monsoon.

@MindfulHunter Жыл бұрын

That’s fair. But for context I live on the west coast in BC. The water that pack saw in 45 mins is nothing compared to what we hunt in. If it doesn’t stand up that that then there’s no way it will handle the coastal weather. I agree seal sealing would improve the water resistance of the bag but I also have doubts about the long term durability of seam sealer on something that gets as abused as a backpack. Your feedback is greatly appreciated as not everyone will have the same needs or experience. I guess I just expected more given how excited people were of the claimed water resistance of these packs is all.

@tengolengo Жыл бұрын

I’m curious about that as well. Depending on the thread used for the seams, you could see some capillary effects moving moisture.

@jaredjensen2343 8 ай бұрын

Any update as to the durability of the terminus? Very intrigued

@MindfulHunter 8 ай бұрын

Ended up selling the pack so can’t speak to that personally. Seems to be doing okay for some of my mates though.

@joshuaculbreth6896 Жыл бұрын

When do we get to know what pack you took with your brother and old man? You said it was something you couldn’t talk about yet but your favorite to date. Using a hellbender now and want to swap to a k3 after using my buddies and wonder if I should wait 😉

@MindfulHunter Жыл бұрын

I’ll get into more details later. Still can’t share. But I will say this I’d wait until next spring if you can for a new pack.

@acgmoulton Жыл бұрын

Sounds like the new Exo K4.... Heard nothing but good things. Rokslide has a good thread showing some teaser pics

@joshuaculbreth6896 Жыл бұрын

@@acgmoulton Thanks man, I appreciate it.

@ianwood5916 8 ай бұрын

I have the SO Unaweep, which is the internal frame Goshawk (and almost a pound lighter). I think thats a better one to one comparison! I also have an older SG pack. SO feels better, but the SG just is more useable imo

@MindfulHunter 8 ай бұрын

Good to know. Thanks.

@MrStangerbanger Жыл бұрын

No interest in Kuiu Packs? I have tried couple different packs and the Kuiu is Amazing.. But it takes a little for the pack to get dialed. I love Stone Glacier sleeping bag thou. Sleeping bag review? I will join for sure. Thank you for your videos they are awesome

@MindfulHunter Жыл бұрын

I did a huge review on the kuiu pro 7800. Compared it with 4 other packs over 2 videos and 2 hours. Scroll down a bit. I released in May 19 2022. And I deeply appreciate the support! Feel free to keep throwing out requests too!

@MrStangerbanger Жыл бұрын

@@MindfulHunter Will do. Love your videos and that solo hunt when you lost your phone was crazy. I would have panicked bad. Lol Great Content 👍