Thought you'd like to hear of my experience with the mirror in my trailer. I too found it laying on the floor, smashed. It was also held in place with adhesive strips, although far more than the Axiom. To be fair, it is stored in the desert and the temps were in the one hundred teens for days on end. However, I will reinstall a new mirror with clips. BTW, my trailer is a 2017 Airstream.

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The websites i find dont seem to be american because it dosnt have a dollar sign. Is there an american website

great great ownership experience here folks. nicely shared and thanks for that phthisics! true about just turning around on the bed to face the other way.

phthisics thank you for your comments which along with the review have seriously swayed me toward this coach. You answered my concerns about the doors staying closed plus others. I’ll be traveling solo and, like you, appreciate the shorter length. This coach, with the options, gives me all the features that were lacking in the Hymer that I just couldn’t settle for. I’m new to the RV world and don’t understand what you were alluding to regarding extra storage space and doors. Would you be willing to share any additional info about your your likes and dislikes? I’m especially curious about the comfort of the bed; did you get a mattress topper; if so where and how do you stow it? Thank you again for taking the time to comment, they are extremely helpful. I found a new 2018 one two hours from me and I’m seriously considering going to see it tomorrow.

@@janicemckinnie6965 Glad to help. Our VW Eurovan Camper poptop that we had to 20 years was 17 ft. long--9" shorter than the Axion--and had no overhead cabinets due to the poptop but it has a lot of storage behind the back seat--space needed for the bathroom in the Axion. But we wanted the bathroom and the short length. Our add-on hitch mounted platform (Walmart, $60) folds out of the way when not in use (or can be removed) and holds 2 27 gallon storage tubs like you can buy at any harware store, secured with multiple bungee cords. That makes up for the storage our Axion's bathroom reduces. The Axion doesn't have a rear hatch. Instead it has 2 doors that swing out (and use a special hinge to fold all the way back around the van's body). Many hitch-mounted storage platforms are too high and don't let you open those doors, which is unacceptable. But my measuring paid off, and the Axions's door clear the platform when it's empty. The platform measures 5 ft. x about 2 ft. Folded, it only add a few inches to the van's length. Very handy I think. As for the bed, yet we got a mattress topper, and it's a pain to figure out where to put it when you're not sleeping on it! We got it from an online store called Mattress Insider in Colorado. They offer many different sizes to fit the odd sizes many RVs use, and also use the densest memory foam available, with a sturdy cover. Ours cost $139 as I recdall. I believe ours measures 47 or 48" x 73 or 74". It fits snugly and won't roll around. When we're traveling I fold it in half and place it under the lounge's foam bottom part. Fits perfectly. then when we're parked and not sleeping but using the van, I shlepp it onto that folding platform, folded a second time. That way I can open one of the back doors, flip the double-folded topper over, and then open the second door. This is in good weather of course. In less good weather, the Axion has a big awning, and I plant to put the topper on the two plastic bins that travel on the plaform, with a tarp over it if need be. One warning is that because the foam is so high quality it's also heavier than a 2" topper you'd get at Costco. And no you don't need a thicker topper--thatls the beauty of using highest quality foam. Our bviggest gripe is that the frawer hardware isn't great, unlike the cabinet doors and latches which are fine. I could imagine upgrading the drawers but more likely we'll just handle them gingerly. Everything else that others complain about is pretty much a requirement given the van's short legnth. We all want Dr. Who's Tardis--bigger on the indise than on the outside. But that's not how physics works. Every RV is a compromise between what it's like moving and what it's like sitting still---the Axion leans toward the moving part, I'd argue that in motion it's the best RV in America. Drives, handles and parks like a car, only with a humongous windshield--great view--and you're as high off the ground as in some semis, which it great while driving, though it also means you have to clibmi up into the cab. Unfolding the bed platform is slightly finicky, though you could add a pull strap if that's a problem. And the electronics/battery/Alde furnace all require a lot of study before you get the hang of them, but it pays off. Our Eurovan had a Suburban furnace that worked but was noisy and used a lot of propane. The Alde is tate of the art, can run silently, and work of pure electricity, pure propane or a combio,. The fridge is all electric so it you have a shoreline you'll only use propane for the stove (or no propane if you make do with the microwave). It handles pretty well, given its height. Others in the Facebook Axion forum have installed aftermarket Sumo springs that give it more resistance to sway. I haven't decided it we need that. One nice touch is that while it defaults to the headlights always being on, that's undesireable if you're using the underhood generator at night in a campgrou8nd. Fortunately there's a setting that leaves the lights ott unless you choose to turn them on. So overall, component choice seems top notch--pretty high end actually--which the cabinetry has some unfortunate cost savings. But because we coulodn't park any other RV in our condo complex and wanted an RV rtather than a nother van camper, the Axion was our only choice. We couldn't park its brother the Banff here, so even that was out. All this is about adults using it, and since it only has 2 seatbelts and one bed, that's what it is. A family with kids can't buy a Carado. I mention this because the bug screens built into the side windows could be damaged easily by careless kids. Not a problem for you or us, though. I recommend the Skeeter Beater magntized bug screens for the side and rear doors BTW.

Appreciate your owner feedback. My husband's main concern with all Dodge camper vans is the driver seat/steering wheel comfort. He's also 6'1"+ and needs legroom and wants tilting steering. How is the drive comfort for you?

@@freebirds6047 I'm long-waisted--in fact I can wear my 5'6" wife's pants--so what works for me may differ from what works for your hubby unless he's also long-waisted. Our other vehicle is a Mazda 3 that we love, which has a tilt-telescoping steering wheel, so I know what that's like, and I'd love to have a tilt steering when in the Promaster. So I see it as a definite deficit. The result for me , being more like someone 6'2 or 3" from the waist up, is that it's like driving a bus, with you pulling part of the steering wheel towrad or away from you rather than the way most of us drive sedans. On the other hand, the only alternative van to the Promasterr (at this length) is the Ford Transit, a RWD vehicle with drive hump to the rear wheels necessitating a higher floor. I can stand up straight inside the Axion , even with shoes on, except for a bit that's about half a foot in diameter under the rooftop AC, and a rail I have to duck under to enter the batchroom (in which I can also stand upright). If I had to choose between being able to stand inside it and having a tilting steering wheel I'd take the former. To some extent it's about managing your own expectations. This isn't a sports car, and having a bus-like driver-vehicie interface isn't bad considering what it is . Honestly I'm far more annoyed by the mechanism both seats use to adjust the angle of the back. Try it and you'll see.

Barry - please let us know more about what you love and maybe wish you could change about your Axion! We love to hear from owners!

@@Ultramobility I really love the electrical system. The underhood generator,(GU), 400w lithium power, and solar allow me to be off the grid for days. The Alde 3010 system is amazing as well. I'm just blown away at how they maximized every little square inch in this camper van! Not having a spare tire is a bit worrisome, but having tire sealant and a compressor will generally do the trick. Carado does have an included 2-year roadside assistance for the rare instance of a blowout. Also, the drawer latches are terrible, but I installed some childproof devices that keep them secure. Overall, I'm very pleased with my Axion. It was awesome that I was able to negotiate a purchase price under 65K as well.

Barry Hudson that’s a steal at that price point especially with the EcoTrek. I’m a single traveler and am seriously considering this van. Glad to hear you can get it for that price.

Under $65,000 with solar and lithium? Great deal. At that price you are close to the high-end Land Rover and JEEP JL. Now I know a starting point for negotiating with the dealer. On the other hand...did not realize that there was no spare tire. I would have to add this.

4 Days only? If you have solar and the generator, whats the limit?

It's 21" longer than the Axion. The Banff is fine but the galley in the Axion has a better layout, and while the Axion can park anywhere, with a Banff in a city you'll be looking for double parallel parking spaces sometimes, and some campgrounds have campsites with an 18 ft. limit. Also, the lounge in the Baff is at the other end of van from the cabin, so you can't entertain using the swiveling seats in the cabin. The Axion can entertain 5 people easily and 6 if they're friendly--even 7 if you add a footstool in front of the fridge. The Banff is limited to four people usually, though I can imagine friendly smaller people beiing able to squeeze 6 in there. How many have you fitted in it? Also, we have a folding cargo platform mounted to the receiver hitch that increased our storage capacility by two 27 gallon storage boxes. The reat doors still open without the boxes on the platform. Lastly, we couldn't have bought a Banff because we couldn't park it in our condo complex. The Axion was literally our only choice if we wanted a true RV. Also, doesn't the Banff use a Suburban furnace? Our Eurovan Camper had one and it worked but was noisy. The Axion's Alde is silent.

love that you owners are sharing your ownership experiences! thank you so much. I know I find them valuable and educational!

Funny that the Axion and the Banff are the same price.

@@mrslcom The small size of the Axion necessitated a pricey Alde water heater/furnace, so that's part of it.

Thank you Ahmed! Welcome aboard!

yep I agree. there are lots of different kinds of buyers. we're not all the same!

@@Ultramobility Another significant market is folks moving up from a camper van to a true RV. Compared to our old VW Eurovan Camper, the Axion is big and spacious.

Single today but in a month or so, LOL

I agree. Thanks so much for this review. This is going to be my RV!

many thanks mishu and thank you for sharing your experience with the Axion as well. it's important for potential buyers to read it. i'm trying really hard to do unbiased yet balanced reviews. I hope this one hits the mark!

Mishu, I felt the same way about the quality of this van. Love the layout, but there were many issues in the ones we walked through. (Same went for the Banff.)

yep I agree on the macerator. less of a problem then if it had a gravity dump.

thanks for sharing all that research. agree that the SRT is a great value for the money esp considering its 6 year warranty.

For door screens we got Skeeter Beater no-see-um screens that attach with magnets, on both the sliding door and the rear entry. Works fine. All the cupboards have positive latching. It's only the drawers that are a problem, and Carado is willing to install maganetic latches under warranty. The short length is the feature that requires the combined black/gray tank. You can't have both. Boondocking is possible with this, though of course the tank capacities are limited. See the Facebook Axion site--some owners there have boondocked with their Axions.

lol - why would you want to do that?? thanks as always for watching and commenting john!

They are nice, especially if you can get a loaded one for $60,000 ! My neighbor didi! Said that was a good price for him:)

I love longer comments where folks share their thoughts! I too wish the price would be lower. I'm seeing lots of full loaded ones for around $80k but in my mind the big appeal of this rig is that it's affordable so it should be more around $60k as you say.

@@Ultramobility When I was in the market looking to buy my Axion, I could not find a single base model, although I did not want to base model --- I was thinking I did not want lithium at the time, but all the models were fully loaded and I bought a 2018 for $74k out the door, fully loaded.

It also applies to condo/city dwellers like my wife & me. There is literally not one other RV made in North America that we could park by our condo. Also, the "budget" part isn't exactly the case--our Alde furnace is state of the art, along with the underhood generator and solar panel system and EcoTrek lithium battery system. The cabinetry is more budget-minded but the components aren't--one reason it isn't any cheaper than it is. And I really like the Promaster instead of a Transit (no Sprint is short enough, so that doesn't matter). The Promaster's front wheel drive means I can stand up straight inside (I'm 6'1"). Transit's rear wheel drive makes the floor too high.

@Robin Loucks They use screws. Little screws, but screws.

@@kendclife7913 We bought a 2017 full loaded , new, this summer for $70K.

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really appreciate the shout out for the 360 degree videos! I love them too. they are so helpful. trying a little something different this week. i'm keeping in my audio instead of background music. curious if you all will like that and find it helpful or not.

it's a great little setup. love the length. 17 feet!

Ultramobility only 9 inches longer then an Airstream Basecamp Alone!

many thanks for sharing your ownership experience! i totally blanked on simply switching around so your head is pointing the other direction!

@@Ultramobility lol I understand!

I may surprise you one day! lol - thanks for watching.

duh - you're right of course!

That is in fact how my spouse & I sleep in our Axion, with me on the outside. Her crawling over my legs to get to the bathroom hasn't bothered me.

thanks for sharing your thoughts!

Ben, I know that you've been waiting FOREVER for this review. Thank you for your patience. I'm glad you've found it useful. I like many things about the Axion especially it's layout. I wish Roadtrek offered this layout with their 6 year warranty!

Pretty sure VoltStart is a dealer only option. Not listed in the Axion literature. I don't think the Axion cabinetry uses staples. It seems pretty sturdy, really--just needs magnetic latches. The cabinets all have positive locking latches and work fine. As for difference in manuvering, we experience this both ways because we have a Walmart hitch mounted folding platform, with which the Axion is 20 ft. long., and with it folded up. 18 ft. long. In my experience it makes a big difference in finding places to park and then parking in them. When platform is deployed we have to find two adjacent spaces in most shopping center parking lots, for example.

@@phthisics Thanks for the helpful response. The cabinets & volt start(for pets) were my two questions. I was also wondering if the cabinets were made of marine grade wood to handle the abuse from moisture & rough roads? Thank you also to Ultramobility! I am thoroughly enjoying the content as I search for my first RV. Thank you for all of your hard work!

many thanks for sharing your ownership experience Kathy! where can we see pixs of your rig?

I've seen an Arctic Fox here in southern New Mexico. We get lots of RV'ers coming through. Haven't seen the Axion come though, so I might have to be the first.

yeah I tend to agree with you on the options. if they could get the price down (dealer prices are still too high on the Axion) and continue to focus on improving quality they could have a big hit on their hands.

Of the handful of van suitable for RV-ification, the Promaster stands out, to me, as being by far the best overall, regardless of price. And the Axion's electronic/HVAC options are all top grade as are as I can call, starting with the Alde water heater/furnace. Where Hymer economized, I think, was in the cabinetry fit/finish/latching (though only the drawers have a latching problem--the cabinets are fine). So it's not really a budget van with low end components.

Depends on what you think your time is worth, doesn't it? Add that in, and the fact that you have to keep reinventing wheels the manufacturers have figured out, and you've got a better comparison.

Yea but did it have a bathroom?? All these camper van conversions have not toilet or shower! Hell no...

The more research I did on building my own, or hiring someone to, the more I realized why people are always selling their own DIY Camper Vans: Things like unfixable rattles, insurance issues, rust, mold, close calls with electrocution, fire/explosions, and strange illnesses cause them to bail. I accept the fact that there are quality issues with the large companies in the pursuit of profit. But at least they're proven safe, because their bottom lines depend on it.

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maybe in your future??

cost i'd imagine. that shower door is about as cheap as you can go.

lol - well let's hope you don't shrink that much! great point about privacy in this bathroom.

It has a full shower curtan separate from the accordion door. I'm 6'1" and change and can stand up inside the Axion except for a little place under the rooftop AC. I bet someone 2" taller than me sleeping alone could fit fine in the bed diagonally (applying Pythagoras' Theorem for the first time since high school).

I always give the manufacturer the opportunity to respond. some take the time and really talk to me (for hours) and others can't bother.

Speaking as an owner with an Axion with all the options, I think they're all mandatory except for the TV. As for height, I'm 6'1" and change and fit fine. OTOH I have a friend who's 6'8" who simply doesn't fit.

yeah the Tofino and the Axion are almost two different vans. the Axion is more of a true RV in the sense that it has a proper bathroom and you can stand up in it. The Tofino is more of an old-school VW camper van. both are great but for different uses and needs.

It will be interesting to see Neil's comparison between the Tofino and Axiion, but ultimately, these vehicles are fundamentally different. The Axion, with standing height space, toilet (plus tanks), and plethora of storage cabinets, is a true RV, with limited passenger carrying capability, and the clearance height inconveniences that all high roof vehicles face. The Tofino with its belted seats and rear cargo area, can replace the family SUV/minivan but with the added benefits of sleeping accommodations and kitchenette. Though similar in size, I think the vehicles attract different audiences.

@@calendarwhiteknight2938 Absolutely. We had a VW Eurovan Camper as our 2nd vehicle for 20 years, and its specs are remarkably similar to those of the Tofino (taking into account how much passenger vehicles have changed in the last 20 years). Now we have an Axion, giving up the ability to seat 6 passengers with seat belts for the ability to get up and go to the bathroom at 3am while camping without leaving the vehicle. That said, as long as the inability to safely transport more than 2 people isn't a deal breaker, the Axion can serve as a second vehicle--far more than any other RV out there. Can't park it in a parking garage (99% of the time), but it can park in a normal urban parallel parking space, gets good enough gas mileage to be used as a daily driver if need be, can be used to shlepp stuff from Home Depot etc. We miss our Eurovan for what it could do that the Axion can't, but we're happy with our choice--and wouldn't have gotten the Tofino instead even if it were out there when we got our Axion. However, if you absolutely must have more seltbelted positions, the Axion is out.

Can you get them down on the asking price, if so, how much?

many thanks scott!

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you could always repaint the cabinets or replace the flooring lol!

@@Ultramobility This is true. It's not a dealbreaker - just a head scratcher.

True, the wood grain cabinets and the floor are different, though I was more bothered by the cabinetry all being so dark. Rule of thumb is the smaller the room the lighter the walls and furniture should be. I'd have preferred everything to be something like a light tan color. But we don't prefer that enough to do anything about it.

I’m more concerned about them not having a locking mechanism.

popular request. i'll have to see if I can make the time.

good point about the spare tire. and a good point about the combined tank. my only question is how to best clean out the hose after you dump but I suppose its a macerator so I may not matter as much.

No spare--just a compressor with a green goo option. You could add one in back though. Promaster vans have a spare under the body in back but Carado needed the space for a water tank.

the tv is on an articulating arm. the bathroom does not have a watermiser recirculating feature like the Galleria. I don't believe the shower head has an on/off switch.

Right you are! Thanks for pointing that out.

you mean this layout? well carado is also owned by hymer so...

@@Ultramobility Yes both models. no black tanks. Carado Axion and Hymer Aktiv. That would mean just fresh water and grey tanks only. I know I would rather have a composting toilet than a cassette toilet they use in the Aktiv, Hymer should have as an option on that model. This would on the Axion eliminate the grey/black tank to just grey water tank. I am debating on the Aktiv 1.0 and Carado Axion.

sure! I definitely have some thoughts on it.

maybe the simplicity srt with the rear sofa bed option or the zion? thanks for watching troy!

There's no practical way around it. This and its brother the Banff will only travel with 2 people in seat belts, and the Facebook forums have had discussions about adding seatbelts but nothing that looks safe. The only real solution is either a longer RV or a same-size van camper without a bathroom. You could get a Sportsmobile for example or there's a Pleasureway with a poptop and no bathroom but belted seats for 2 or 3 more people, and the same length as the Axion.

SuperQdaddy -I feel the same way.

I think the two are very different. this Axion is more of a "true" RV with a bathroom and room to stand up. The Tofino is more of a traditional "camper van". What baffles me is that the height of the Tofino is not that much less than this Axion because of the Roof rack so I'm not sure what you're getting by not going full height on the roof. Neither is going to fit in your garage. the warranty on the Tofino is much better at 5 years. I haven't seen the build quality in person to determine how it compares but my gut says that the Tofino will have much higher build quality.

@@Ultramobility Totally agree with you. The Tofino would have been much more desirable, if PW put the money into a full bathroom instead of the folding tent contraption on the roof, and put it on a high roof version of the Promaster. If they then set the price at $70-80K -- they would sell like hotcakes, because their quality is unquestionably the highest.

the stock refrigerator is an electric compressor driven refrigerator. not sure why they don't offer an induction cooktop but you could easily buy one of those.

Propane is still needed for hot water and cabin heating.

I'd like to see a ProMaster with a layout like the Winnebago Revel.

The Alde heater can run on electricity or propane or a combo. The fridge is electric. The stove is gas, but the Axion includes a microwave as well. I like being able to use either gas or electricity for the furnace, myself. The short length of the Axion mandates a lot of compromises. We wanted a bathroom, and the very back is the best place for it. The lounge in front lets you use the cabin seats swiveled around as part of the lounge area. The Activ layout requires a van 2 feet longer---and its greater length would have ruled it out for us, actually.

thank you so much Divya for the encouragement!

no much but the accountants track every dime spent. multiple that dime for each positive latch times the number of units sold times the number of years and it all adds up I suppose.

@@Ultramobility People only buy one unit so that argument is invalid. The total cost of a handful of positive locking latches and a floor covering with a complementary pattern is miniscule. It's just a drop in a drop of the $80k bucket. Thanks for the reply. BTW I do love your videos.

punktexas - well the point i'm trying to make is that some manufacturers are penny wise and pound foolish. they don't pass the cost onto the buyer. they want to keep the price as low as possible. to install some positive locking latches is more than just the cost of the latches themselves - they have to also install a piece on the cabinet to receive the positive latch and that takes additional time and training for someone. I know it sounds strange but I've heard manufacturers tell me this. when you add it all up it may come out to a hundred bucks per unit in additional parts and labor and when they add that up over thousands of units the accounts see hundreds of thousands of dollars saved by not doing it. like I said short sighted but it happens all the time. happens less on higher priced rigs though.

@@Ultramobility What's ironic is that they've had to add a latch to the side of the drawers, which doesn't work, and now they're having to replace those with magnetic latches for customers who complain, and pretty much all the Axion/Banff owners on the Facebook forum complain about this. So I'm guessing the ultimate cost will be a lot more than if they'd installed positive latches in the first place. Another applicable saying is "Stepping over dollars to pick up dimes."

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the hardest part would be rerouting the water lines to the inside.

yeah as I mention in my review of the Aktiv is strikes a near perfect balance in terms of price, quality, layout and size.

This does look good for a solo traveler, which is what I will be. After looking at all the websites and reviews though, I keep coming back to the Aktiv 1.0. Now I just have to actually go look at one! What dealers would you recommend in the SF Bay Area or Sacramento?

John Howes La Mesa in West Sac has them as does See Grins in Gilroy.

The Axion is 17'9" long. The Aktiv is around 20 ft. long. If you think they're comparable you're kidding yourself. Our Axion has a hitch-mounted folding platform, which when deployed makes it about the same length as the Aktiv, and I've driven and parked it with the plaform folded up and deployed, and the difference in parking is night and day. Especially parallel parking spaces, for which the average length is 20 ft. Try putting a vehicle 20 ft. long into a 20 ft. space unless you have a forklift pick it up and put it there. Maybe the difference is whether you live in a densely urban area, as I do, or out in the suburbs or the country. For getting around in urban areas and using the van as a 2nd vehicle and not just for camping, the Axion is unmatched. OTOH if you don't need the shorter length, of course you should get a longer van without the compromises required by the Axion's length.

yes the seats are 4 way adjustable. the 24" width is without the back cushion. thanks for watching!

you're not. a combined tank can be problematic for the reasons you state. the biggest concern is flushing or cleaning it after you dump. I suppose you could just fill it back up with clean water and dump again but that seems like a waste of time and water.

@@Ultramobility What about replacing toilet with Nature's Head composting (easy to dump with back door access) so gray can be just for gray!

Remember this is a macerating toilet so it's not just a gravity dump. And flushing the system with water poured down the toilet is exactly what we do. The simple truth is that building a full RV under 18 ft. long is impossible without a bunch of compromises. Sure, separate black and gray water tanks are great. But there is no RV with this that's this short. If you really want the short length, a combo tank is part of the price. Along with not having a spare tire under the van. And not having more than 2 seatbelted positions. On the other hand, 20 ft. long Class Bs with all those good things are 2 ft. longer than our Axion, which means that in our particular circumstance we coldn't have bought it, due to parking limitations in the condo we live in. Also if you want to be able to park easily...and to have an RV that's doesn't look like an RV. You pays your money and you makes your choices.

@@phthisics I don't see anything wrong with having a gallon of water on hand to pour into the tank once you've flushed it takes the same about of steps if you had the gray and black flush.

yes the axion is designed and ideal for a single person and not a couple.

it is front wheel drive. 6 speed transmission. maybe 15-18mpg? uses regular fuel no premium.

Thanks!

Do you have a video that compares and contrasts the three chassis - Mercedes Sprinter, Ford Transit and the Dodge Ram Pro Master? I think that makes for an interesting video topic. Thanks.

i don't bruce but that's been a popular request.

Ummm, i'd have to say it is lower for sure Jeff. overall fit and finish is not up to the roadtrek standard. cabinets especially feel flimsy. that bathroom door is a great example. on the simplicity srt it is a solid wooden door.

me too!

Could you do a Sportsmobile?

many thanks Tom. I do have to work hard for the channel. I want to be the premiere destination for all things class b and b+! I'll see if I can arrange something with Sportsmobile. they're local to me.

One thing is the crashworthyness of vans, especially for passengers. I hear churches have moved away from vans into buses because of several high profile incidents of horrendous accidents involving vans.

I didn't measure the bed. using the measurements from their site.

I own one and I'm 6'1" and change. I can sleep on the bed OK. I could use longer, but it's acceptable as it. My wife sleeps near the wall and I sleep near the stove so I can hang over if necessary. Carado is as we speak installing magnetic latches on the drawers at their expense. We'll see if that works. Otherwise it's back to bungees. The fridge has a locking latch--no p;roblem there.

There is a spring loaded pin on the refrigerator door that engages when you close the door. I have about 10k miles on mine, with a couple of panic stops, no issues with the fridge door.

Every RV/Marine refrigerator has locking devices.

Noted!

probably not. maybe? i'm not sure what's under the sofa.

The water tank is in the panel behind the driver's seat, so that's probably not doable. Though I'm 6'1" and I fit OK. For the bed we always sleep with our heads toward the nose of the van, and the outer half of the bed is over the aisle in back, leaving room to dangle or to put some kind of ottoman there.

@@Ultramobility The Alde water heater/furnace and other electronics and plumbing are under the sofa--no space for storage, unlike the Banff. But I think he was asking about what's between the driver's seat and the sofa, which is the water tank.

@@divyasangal1438 Is it possible , he's just busy ? He sure does put out a lot of videos and presumably , has a life as well .

thanks rich!

oh nooooo

thanks for the feedback.

Look for my walkthrough. I open the cabinets and show how you set up the bed. Ultramobility's review benefits from his knowledge of many RVs and how the Axion compares with them (and his review has a far more professional look and feel), while mine benefits from me being an owner. They're complementary. As for what's under the bed, it's electronics like the Alde water heater/furnace. No storage.

@@phthisics how can I see your walkthrough? Thanks.

Lynwood - thank you so much. I'm glad to see that the Aktiv is still holding its position at the top of your list. We'll see if that remains so after next week's CrossFit review!

...the suspense!!!

yep - really wish they had included some additional seatbelts in the coach.

Not practical at that overall length. If you're willing to give up the bathroom there are some camper vans at that length with belted seating for 4 or perhaps more. Pleasureway Tofino for example, and some by Sportsmobile.