Ultrawide Lens Battle For Nikon ZF (17-28mm f2.8 vs Viltrox 16mm f1.8)

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Ай бұрын

Which is the better ultra wide angle lens for Nikon Z mount? Nikkor 17-28mm f2.8 vs Viltrox 16mm f1.8. Both have pros and cons on the Nikon ZF. Does Nikon have the worst vlogging stabilization in the business? So far, the Nikon has a most beautiful image at the cost of everything I love lol.
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@cameraconspiracies Ай бұрын

If you buy today's gear through my affiliate links, you can train for the Olympics by holding this heavy freaks. Thank you Steinbeck for the very generous gift! Let's all subscribe to www.youtube.com/@carlsteinbeck Nikon ZF with 40mm f2 amzn.to/3UQcDPx Nikkor 17-28mm f2.8 amzn.to/3V9WcyU Viltrox 16mm f1.8 amzn.to/3wHE3zh Viltrox sent me the lens to review All my gear and recommended products can be found in my affiliate shop, thanks for shopping around! www.amazon.com/shop/vegetablepolice

@Fessoid Ай бұрын

Tamron better for me

@mathiaserichsen8177 Ай бұрын

I really like the footage you’ve made with the ZF lately 🤙🏻

@baconcrusader8382 Ай бұрын

The Zf is looking good! Nikon's 40/2 is an amazing lens, the 28/2.8 is better than good, but not as special as the 40. I'd take the prime over that zoom on FF for sure. On my Z30, the Tamrikon's are good, but not even close IQ wise to even the 24-70/4 S on my Z6/Z6ii's.

@Getoffmycloud53 Ай бұрын

The 24-70/4 is great value if you can buy it used. I bought mine in mint condition for Eur 390,- in a store with warranty.

@MrPawnyou 13 күн бұрын

@@Getoffmycloud53 same i got mine for 300 € last week its superb

@AprilClayton Ай бұрын

When I think of a shill, there are many KZfaqrs that come to mind, some sponsored by Square Space. Boy you are the opposite of a shill. You actually help people.

@Amarthir Ай бұрын

Hey man, little advice for cleaning elements, been there, alcohol leaves smudges and traces behind. Take 4 100% cotton q-tips, some isopropyl alcohol and some distilled water. Take 2 q-tips, wet with the IPA and slightly dry them against a cotton blanket (push the tip to discard excess liquid), then start rubbing them gently against the element in a circular motion from the outside to the inside. Once that is done, and IPA has evaporated (it's quick), wet the other two q-tips with the distilled water, repeat the drying process to have them damp and not wet, then repeat the motion you did with the IPA but for some more laps around the element (8-10). If needed you can repeat the last step with distilled water till the element is clean. This is the factory standard cleaning process for lens elements, goodbye fingerprints and smudges!

@paulthomas8986 Ай бұрын

Viltrox had the better look but when you put up the 28mm, 40mm Nikon, and especially the Voightlander 58mm even at T4 the rendering and pop on that lens was phenomenal. I agree that you cant match rendering in post with white balance or color panel change. The look of those low element older lenses are just special.

@tech-utuber2219 Ай бұрын

Is this straight out of the camera or tweaked in da Vinci? I continue to be impressed by Nikon’s ‘secret sauce’ regarding exposure for human beings. I remember that even when you tested that inexpensive Nikon model 30 camera sometime ago (but it had a goofy flip screen as I recall), the exposure was pretty good.

@cameraconspiracies Ай бұрын

It's N-log, so graded. Just the official LUT.

@lecolintube Ай бұрын

@@cameraconspiracies The colours are beautiful 🤩🧡🙌

@richards1243 Ай бұрын

I know a lot of people like the managed color space in da Vinci better than the Nikon lut but may not be your work flow

@waynerm002 Ай бұрын

@@richards1243 The SDR works pretty good as well, shoot in Neutral to cut the contrast back a bit.

@jumpmansz Ай бұрын

Zf with the 16 milly villy? The cinema is ours. That is pop.

@tomaszstramel3594 Ай бұрын

You must have missed Angry Photographer's lens cleaning tutorial: cotton buds and demineraluzed water only. Circular motion. Light touch. Change buds often. Dry with fredh buds w/o water.

@audioupgrades Ай бұрын

Purified water is correct but cotton buds is wrong. They leave streaks and residue. You need a microfibre cloth, which lifts dirt and water and never scratches.

@tomaszstramel3594 Ай бұрын

@audioupgrades Air blower takes care of any bits of cotton that might be left during the drying stage. Cloth is hard to move near the extreme edges of the outer surface of the front or back element. I use both cloth and buds, and buds have their advantage even in that they aren't reusable like cloth.

@Uriel602 Ай бұрын

You're popping with that Villy

@velvetvideo Ай бұрын

tilt-shift would be a fun side quest

@ralfjansen9118 Ай бұрын

The cinema is yours

@1Donmonte Ай бұрын

Using Electronic Stabilization on the ZF, you need a very fast shutter 1/500 or faster for it to work its best. Try it out 👍

@Charles-qw4hv Ай бұрын

Get a sandisk multi card pro reader. That will see you through for years. It's thermally stable. Keeps cards cool for transfers and therefore stable speeds. Got all the card slots you need..

@sonicbluestrat934 Ай бұрын

The music was hot! damn cool vibe

@mihaidavid359 Ай бұрын

5:53 And here we see the warpy waving jerk. Joking! I love this guy's videos! 🤭

@nickolascooper1516 Ай бұрын

Try 1080p video. It might read out better?

@ChaseDaigle Ай бұрын

Hoodman enzymatic lens wipes. Only thing I've ever found that isn't a total pita for cleaning lenses. I use them very sparingly

@MTBD80 Ай бұрын

That Viltrox lens is pretty awesome, looks great too.

@saxophonistscorner Ай бұрын

0:35 funny you should say that, I just got a ZV-E1 & noticed the stab isn't as awesome as my old Sony miniature Camcorder, which was an amazing optical balanced floating lens vibe....

@AirsoftRealSteelBoxing Ай бұрын

that looks really good

@georgieb.4278 Ай бұрын

Great stuff!! Just curious, what city was this shot in ?

@sexytechreviews_ Ай бұрын

Toronto.

@waynerm002 Ай бұрын

When using a full frame lens on APSC camera or in APSC mode, the image is cropped in to the extant of the camera (@1.5 Nikon and Sony, 1.6 Canon) however, the aperture does not change. A f2.8 lens remains a f2.8 when used on an APSC camera or in crop mode. Using a tele-converter (introducing additional magnification) will adjust the aperture, this is also visible when shooting, you will notice the drop in light/brightness of the image in the viewfinder with a 1.4 or 2.0 tele-converter.

@cameraconspiracies Ай бұрын

You always multiply the Tony's for background blue on aps-c. You have to reframe your shot, and you will lose background blur.

@waynerm002 Ай бұрын

@@cameraconspiracies Sorry, that is incorrect, Aperture controls the amount of light the lens provide to the sensor. The sensor crop factor changes the field of view and depth of field, not the amount of light coming in. When you meter a scene with a light meter, it doesn't care about what sensor is being used however, the aperture range of the lens is what you would be inputting. if you meter for f1.4, 1.8, 2.8, etc., it provides the correct exposure values based on the chosen aperture.

@Joe_VanCleave Ай бұрын

@@waynerm002 You are correct with respect to aperture and its effect on exposure. But Kasey’s referring to DOF, which does scale with the crop factor.

@cameraconspiracies Ай бұрын

@@waynerm002 When have I ever mentioned light? We're talking about background blur.

@waynerm002 Ай бұрын

@@Joe_VanCleave Apologies, that wasn't clear in the video, he just said 1.5X crop and posted the values based multiplication of the focal length and aperture. There are a lot of discussions I've seen with people saying manufacturers are lying about the aperture on crop lens. If they are solely basing it on the depth of field or the "Tonneh" look of a FF lens, most of shooting for a long time understand this but, those new or getting into photography/videography aren't aware.

@videoteknika-ck3so Ай бұрын

The Viltrox image was nicer but honestly 16mm is too wide for vlogging unless you want to feature Rat Boy in every video. I would try the 20mm f2.8, sounds like a great little compact vlogging prime if the image quality is okay.

@Charles-qw4hv Ай бұрын

Look at the size of that lense.. For vlogging Xh2s (Now with touch tracking to stick to face) New lenses galore. Sigma 10 18mm 2.8 2024. 260 grams . Then you have the new fuji primes for the sharpness and depth of field. 18mm 1.4 lm. Special lense. No distortion and user sharp.. .33mm 1.4lm

@thissidetowardscreen4553 Ай бұрын

I am looking at all my cameras, Where is the Toneh Priority Mode? 😭

@newfoundco Ай бұрын

7:00 song is fire

@silbay Ай бұрын

wow the background looks like a bobble head

@reljapetrovicmusic Ай бұрын

f1.8 16mm was not available until a couple of years ago, am I wrong?

@NetvoTV Ай бұрын

Why you want to blur out the backgrounds, it is so nice to have stories of the place, there is one photographer shoot his photo at f8 too, bokeh make you looks like you can be at anywhere, 14-30mm f4 will do!

@juandjo707 Ай бұрын

With 25% crop on digital stabilization you can probably use cheaper/smaller apsc lens no vignetting?

@kruta_ Ай бұрын

The colours are amazing. Also, how could Panny boy do this to us. The pony of hope abandoned us, unbelievable.

@Joe_I_Hadley Ай бұрын

I laugh and laugh through this video. Its worth the price of admission🤣

@wespellum Ай бұрын

Tested the hec of the Zf on my channel. Stabe is terrible. DJI Pocket 3 makes all cameras obsolete for vlogging. Just have to carry it with a camera for photos and talking heads. Got to say though I love the Zf. I definitely shouldn't have sold it for the X-H2. It will be back in my life very soon!

@filmstudiojapan Ай бұрын

You should give the Tamron SP 15-30mm f/2.8 Di VC USD G2 a try. Heavy? Yes 1100 grams, plus the FTZ adds another 100 grams.. but those G2 lenses on Nikon are not what you became accustom to with Sony. The stabilization actually works. I can speak personally to the 15-30, but the 35mm and 85mm were both stellar on the Z6. FYI, many Nikon lenses and other Camera companies best lenses are made by Tamron. My tamron 35mm and 85mm both registered as Nikon lenses in exif data because they are the same lenses as the very popular F mount 35mm 1.8 and 85mm 1.8 Nikkor lenses, just with added weather proofing and better stabilization. Cue the "More you know" rainbow.

@yawningmarmot Ай бұрын

You can use microfiber with any cheap lens solution to clean your lens easily without smudging.

@Opulentvlog Ай бұрын

Viltrox looks way better , But 17-28 kinda versatile to some extent, I wish it could have been 35

@JennyDarukat Ай бұрын

The Nikon colour science 👏👏👀 Maybe orange shifting the reds a little will take care of the skin redness, but otherwise this is magnificent

@MTBD80 Ай бұрын

The color looks good, something about Nikon video is fine as hell.

@Ijusthopeitsquick Ай бұрын

I like the song.

@nowyrozdzial Ай бұрын

Just a though as i had the issue with forced overheat shutdown of dji pocket 3 in EU (48 celsius - recent change to the law) that would not happen is US companies are removing high framrate due to overheat legislation in EU and to simplify development/distrybution. They could manage those by gelocation in firmware but maybe they don't want to bother. So in the end smaller cameras/phones without the fan are downgrading the slowmotion options and we can expect that it will be a trend.

@nowyrozdzial Ай бұрын

And btw. There is an workaround with text file on sd card that will remove this limitation in a pocket 3 but still this may be the case why we are losing fun high framerates

@bitspacemusic Ай бұрын

The warping is worse than a Red Hot Chili Peppers video.

@bestcameralens Ай бұрын

Use Zeiss Lens wipes for clean your lenses. They are the best hands up and down. You're welcome!

@BOOT Ай бұрын

I kinda like the Nikon ZF

@flightographist Ай бұрын

The 16 is pretty sexy from a pop perspective.

@AlChered Ай бұрын

What's worse than FullFrame but better than APS-C? APS-B

@yawningmarmot Ай бұрын

Actually, it's APS-H but you were close :)

@prokopbuben7721 Ай бұрын

Viltrox looks better but it’s really shaky and warping. Tamron looked better when you walked fast, than viltrox just standing.

@JjackVideo Ай бұрын

Colors seems great. The stabe is sadface

@audioupgrades Ай бұрын

The autofocus on the Zf is usable but that may be its only redeeming feature. The colours would be its worst feature. It genuinely looks like you have a magenta filter for b&w photography on the lens.

@johnwayne8114 Ай бұрын

Don't use rubbing alcohol, man. It can even strip the coating. Use some ethanol (everclear) diluted with distilled water.

@A.Edilbi Ай бұрын

Do you monitor your audio? Especially when you film outside? Every time Jordan from petapixel review a camera like the lumix s9 .he complain about the ability of monitoring audio and in my entire life I didn't see someone monitor audio except of him .I've seen wedding being filmed with monitoring. So is it justified that he's complaining about audio monitoring in a camera for tiktok and social media where people use iPhone?

@prizepictures1 Ай бұрын

Liking the Nikon lens over the Viltrox even though Viltrox has more Toney. I don’t trust you anymore, though. Your reviews are not biased enough 😂

@yuidfbse Ай бұрын

Viltrox all the way.. they are killing it and making brilliant optics. in this video is night and day the better IQ of the Viltrox.

@raygeary1698 Ай бұрын

I think you secretly ordered that s9😂

@ChadsGarage1 Ай бұрын

I’ve only had to shit on one product that was sent to me. It wasn’t even a horrible review but I couldn’t recommend it and the company got pissed and wanted me to take the video down. I didn’t.

@colinhoward2200 Ай бұрын

Honestly - in slow mo, your DJI OSMO Action 4 looks a lot better.

@my_obscure_epoch9346 Ай бұрын

I've got to be honest, the warpyness and shakiness on the 16mm is pretty well unwatchable for me.

@tptrsn Ай бұрын

Do I see a hint of 3D pop from the Viltrox? Or do I just want to?

@pinkgiraffe808 Ай бұрын

Dear God, no. It's all in your head.

@AABB-px8lc Ай бұрын

Only a hint indeed, circles in out-of-focus area have tend to be darker in centrer, it add distraction and ruine 3d-pop effect. But zoom even worse obviously.

@blutey Ай бұрын

@05:28 _"I threw up in my mouth."_ Where else would you throw up, but in your mouth?

@MTBD80 Ай бұрын

LOL on designed a meeting!

@user-me5eb8pk5v Ай бұрын

The Uwell Aeglos II are the most legit yet. Its even funny as hell it has a 13watt and a 55watt. There is like a tiny fraction of a difference output, its like paper mario, 2d is pretty cool. But most people probably cannot recall over one hundred things. Menu systems basically are there for the people that make menu systems. You ramp it up, like 12 6 8, but your just going to confuse people. Like i got this astrolathe calculus pluggin and you adjust invisible nature. The 13watts is for salt coca cola because the ceramic doesn't corrode. But its still better than my freemaxx gallops that clidesdale pretty good. Im sure lens never come down in price, maybe 5 years and like 50% off. Gotta buy a house. Im not all jacked up, huge yard. Just a two bedroom has 1,300 square feet, mostly like 1906, so of course their thinking strategy isn't modern like, this guy should dress like a woman.

@ledheavy26 Ай бұрын

That Viltrox is a no for me, even next to the Tamkon. It's so dull looking. Someone needs to send you an ftz adapter so you can venture into the F mount world like you have with the Canon EF lenses.

@charliejg Ай бұрын

"..switched into Toniature priority..." LOL!! Do you ever run across the street slower while shooting slow motion for cameras that don't do 240? Have a great day!

@Joe_VanCleave Ай бұрын

I think Kasey should cross the street while mimicking slow motion, then speed up the footage to normal speed,

@slycendycemakesamovie7582 Ай бұрын

Tony-ature Priority 💀

@Bill-NM Ай бұрын

The Zf stab is horrific. The jitteryness is really really bad. I'm kinda stunned.

@TrekCZ Ай бұрын

Dude, should not you be in Kyoto?

@arfmf Ай бұрын

at 15:00 the stuck red pixel of death starts.

@coin777 Ай бұрын

whwere

@bigtb1717 Ай бұрын

@@coin777 I can only see it when watching at 4K. It shows up around the middle of his chin. Pretty noticeable for me when viewing at 4K.

@HoLeeChit11 Ай бұрын

NIKON RULES

@MakersTeleMark Ай бұрын

Can't you just buy the voight 21mm 1.4 and just find no use for it and sell it to me? M mount please.

@unclefart5527 Ай бұрын

After 20 years Nikon can't break the 14mm barrier, Deal with it pink boy.

@assadasdasdasda1342 Ай бұрын

red colors are too saturated!

@PlayGameToday Ай бұрын

Nikon wins

@theobgshow Ай бұрын

First. Yep me again. The first to see CC in planet Earth.

@EricLouisYoung Ай бұрын

Use sport ibis only for video, unless you're trying to hold a static shot.

@cameraconspiracies Ай бұрын

It's much worse, I already tested it.

@TravisNutley Ай бұрын

I bought the 3 set Sniper lenses to use specifically with the Zf and really like them so far. Might be worth a shot!

@MattisProbably Ай бұрын

Yeah the Nikon stabilization can be a bit aggressive and wobbly when it comes to videos at shorter focal length. Pretty annoying. But it absolutely stomps all over Sony when it comes to tele lenses. Handheld videos at 600mm with my 180-600? No problem. Until my arms fall off that is. But that's 100% a skill issue on my part.

@cameraconspiracies Ай бұрын

Ya, but that's not what we're talking about. Fuji is also amazing at telephoto stabe, but not wide.

@MattisProbably Ай бұрын

@@cameraconspiracies At shorter focal lengths I'm still trying to figure out what works best for me... Electronic only might be the way to go forward.

@waynerm002 Ай бұрын

@@MattisProbably I mentioned this on the last Zf video, on the Z8 setting the shutter to 1/250 or above provides better performance for the eVR system. I've tested with VR set to On or Sport then activated eVR to better stabilize the footage, less than 1/250 shutter, annoying micro jotters are present. Check the video I posted on my site on the Z8 eVR system, I was walking at a good pace and it performed well. Oh yeah, you can also apply additional stabilization in Resolve as well.

@MattisProbably Ай бұрын

@@waynerm002 Thanks I'll try that tomorrow!

@danieljung2810 Ай бұрын

Love my Nikon ZF, with the grip. ❤

@zandtussenjetenen Ай бұрын

Respectable stab? 😂😂🎉 C'mon..

@moneyshift8190 Ай бұрын

Nikons stab is one of the best when the camera is pointed away from you.

@harryburnett7086 Ай бұрын

Hmmm zf is a lot better stabilzation than you are here representing , user error lol

@kissanpennu9164 Ай бұрын

For vlogging with a wide angle it isn't

@cameraconspiracies Ай бұрын

How do you figure? Show me someone walking and talking where it's way more stable? It's especially bad in slow mo running across the street which is unforgiveable :)

@Getoffmycloud53 Ай бұрын

Let’s be honest IBIS with a super wide angle on FF is challenging. It is one thing to take a hand hold photo or static film, but once you start walking you have to compensate for a ton of movement. How many FF bodies can handle walking with a 16-17mm with IBIS or IBIS with digital stabilization? IMO you are looking at gyro territory and not hand held and if hand held not without digital stabilization which will crop your FF. How can you physically compensate for walking motion with a stabilized FF sensor?

@cameraconspiracies Ай бұрын

@@Getoffmycloud53 Panasonic does it fine, Sony too. Canon is good with OIS + digital.

@MTBD80 Ай бұрын

I thought the electronic stabe looked good.

@krazywabbit Ай бұрын

I’m a shill for this channel

@bestcameralens Ай бұрын

Full PSC 🤣🤣🤣

@LTPottenger Ай бұрын

Please give me your horrible vblog camera lol

@mihaidavid359 Ай бұрын

14:09 I see dead pixels... 👀

@ArnaudDelaunay Ай бұрын

You know nothing 😘 !!! Fuji 16 -55 T2.8 is the way to go for quality zooms, but you don't have what it takes. Love your channel, stay as you are !!!!

@boby9397 Ай бұрын

mammal

@rdtstudios Ай бұрын

no 3D pop and nasty's colors in the sky!

@Guillaume9 Ай бұрын

Ohhh now you like color fidelity, I'm a bit joking about that but what you say often not pinting color fidelity so is "3d pop" bcause with lower glass number comes a lot of downsides as astigmatism flare chromatic aberration which are leading to the opposite of fidelity of color department and shure you can get all off what you want but not on somewhat old lenses like canon ef which will have a variety of color shifts. What I try to say is that your journey is not wrong but just blind sighted, modern lens have there place so we can enjoy much modest lens with flowes in it, 3D pop is just a "your perfect view on what an image should looks like" so please man don't confuse what you like with science and good things. better of looking at yourself as an artist who educate people on tast not on thruth because if not you are all wrong and worst of all you who think your are showing a new way, you are exactly doing the same as half the youtubeur here. Because if there wasn't anything to criticize of modern lenses you were not there, so let them be so we can enjoy flowed lenses, and if for exemple you want an exemple of what canon can make as crazy flowed and good lense try the ef 28mm F/1.8 usm But don't try to pretend that your old lenses quest lead you to color fidelity that's not compatible

@danncorbit3623 Ай бұрын

Nikon full frame... not for mobile vlogging. Poor pooch, chained to a pole, what was his crime? And where were those promised squirrels? Now that we know you will sell your soul for a stinking card reader, I am beginning to wonder. Are those beautiful black Canadian squirrels just ordinary grey squirrels rolled in soot!? If one of them sneezes we will know, because of the telltale puff of soot.

@pinkgiraffe808 Ай бұрын

The Viltrox does not look good. Did you place a literal piece of grey film on that lens or something? It just straight up looks dull compared to the Nikkor. Usually differences between most modern lenses is negligible, but not here. Nikkor wins in literally every department. Lets be honest, any aperture under F2.0 is a total joke. "Image quality is fully compromised, but at least the ive got dat der blur, even covers my subject!" This is coming from a Viltrox fan, my 85mm is the 1.8 II FE. Nikkor by fatality.

@felm.974 Ай бұрын

How are you going to use a camera like the ZF to vlog while walking around w/o a gimbal and expect it not to shake? SMH... also, who expects a retro camera to work like Z30 which is made for Vlogging? lord help us with these KZfaqrs who hate Nikon so much for no reason lol..

@cameraconspiracies Ай бұрын

Because it has 8 stops rated IBIS. Z30 has none. It should be way better than it is.