Uncle Iroh is not Perfect (Avatar: The Last Airbender)

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@SagesRain
@SagesRain Жыл бұрын
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@SpammytheHedgehog
@SpammytheHedgehog Жыл бұрын
Uncle Iroh is best uncle.
@Joshualacruz
@Joshualacruz Жыл бұрын
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@ktefccre
@ktefccre Жыл бұрын
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@msk-qp6fn
@msk-qp6fn Жыл бұрын
Fun fact, despite the creators claiming Rangi's name meaning tiger, based a word that means tiger in Korean, horangee or horangi, by omitting the ho part, they essentially made her name mean wolf instead of tiger.
@ChroniclerV
@ChroniclerV Жыл бұрын
Yes, Iroh isn't "Perfect" but that's also kind of the point.
@Spongebrain97
@Spongebrain97 Жыл бұрын
Something that always stuck with me when rewatching ATLA was how in Book 1 by then Iroh had already become a grand master in the White Lotus, met the Dragons, and achieved spirtual enlightenment but what was weird is he still actively helped Zuko in trying to capture Aang and doesn't stand in the way of the Fire Nation. Together they shoot a fireball at team avatar in episode 2 and later on Iroh and a disguised Zuko on Zhao's ship still plot to capture Aang. Why is Iroh, who went through all of that past stuff doing this? I think the reason being that unbeknownst to viewers in Book 1, Iroh was in the final stage of his own redemption arc. The final straw for him was Zhao and the Fire Nation trying to assassinate Zuko as well as destroy the Moon spirit who Iroh respected. And thus in book 2 onwards Iroh has completed his arc of becoming a traitor to the Fire Nation and tries to put Zuko on the same path
@kylegonewild
@kylegonewild Жыл бұрын
Zhao is a twisted reflection of what Iroh could have been. Smart, capable, learned, self-assured. He even learns from his hotheaded interaction with Aang. Trying to have Iroh's surrogate son killed turned him against the people who orchestrated it. Seeing the Moon Spirit harmed was the breaking point for abandoning the whole of the Fire Nation and its war philosophies. The people can change, but the crusade started by Sozen was evil, willing to throw life itself out of balance in the pursuit of domination.
@mellomoose_
@mellomoose_ Жыл бұрын
they prolly just didnt develop his character as much at that point. but i also think that at the time he had to sorta "play-dead" in a sense. because if he tried to resist capturing the avatar at that point he would have no chance to help zuko, zuko wouldve left him behind.
@hendricksroshane
@hendricksroshane Жыл бұрын
I was confused on this as well. At the time of just watching the show I had some amount of reservation for him because for me he was hypocritical or conflicted. How could he be so honourable yet corrupted at the same time? Thanks for the perspective 🙏 really shows how truly intelligently written this show was.
@eltemmieincreiblementeaweo7872
@eltemmieincreiblementeaweo7872 Жыл бұрын
Mmm,I think he was just giving hope to zuko,going along whit him in his journey before he finally could change his mind and purpose,but he never actively tried to help him to capture the avatar Like you said,in the second episode they shoot him a fireball But just like that,like,one fireball,that wasnt even that powerfull The same Iroh that could stand a chance against the fire lord,and he only shoots one fireball I think that if he was really into capturing the avatar,he would have no problem in doing it right there I think he stated his redemption when he lost his son and finally saw what war makes to people,and for the start of the series he already was convinced of all that
@majkerr9544
@majkerr9544 Жыл бұрын
like comment above me said He "helped" Zuko, or at least tried to, in his adventure to capture Aang. But you can see that was "uncle Iroh" helping Zuko, not the "war veteran/strategist general Iroh". If he refused to capture the Avatar, you know how it goes - he's ousted from the Fire Nation, and from Zuko. Did he wanted that? No, obviously. So he helped, as little as he can.
@ciscosoto5737
@ciscosoto5737 Жыл бұрын
Iroh was never perfect. He could’ve easily become as terrible as Sozin, Azulon, or Ozai if his circumstances had changed slightly. It’s precisely because of how easily he could’ve been a monster that he’s such an amazing character. I believe he’s an example of how despite your environment, it’s still up to you to decide how you’ll respond to that environment and change.
@hez859
@hez859 Жыл бұрын
People don't talk enough about Iroh's influence of Ozai
@danurkresnamurti3598
@danurkresnamurti3598 Жыл бұрын
Agree. Even iroh should be the next fire lord and on the line heritage
@danurkresnamurti3598
@danurkresnamurti3598 Жыл бұрын
​@@hez859 yes it is.
@vullord666
@vullord666 Жыл бұрын
I feel like it's easily forgotten that Iroh was the hard favorite (which is fair) of Azulon to the point Azulon made Ozai kill his own son at the suggestion of pulling the firelord seat up from under Iroh. I think Iroh would have been a good person as Firelord (Ozai was really just twisted) kinda like Zuko turned out where he cared about the citizens and soldiers and still had good values while believing in the imperialism of the fire nation.
@AfroAdam
@AfroAdam Жыл бұрын
he still killed alot of innocent people and took over nations and never felt bad until his son died, he's a likeable character but he's a genocidal maniac and yall are weird for not acknowledging that.
@harryblocks
@harryblocks Жыл бұрын
Correction, he himself knows he's far from perfect as there's much to learn Such as the humble journey of Iroh
@writerlairchannel2636
@writerlairchannel2636 Жыл бұрын
"life is not bad or good, its your emotions which matters, if you bring happiness, you will live happy, balance of life
@metanightmare4454
@metanightmare4454 Жыл бұрын
Also, I'm pretty sure that the Air Nomads were wiped out before Iroh's time. Sozin did that, so that might've been even before Iroh's father, Azulon, ascended to the throne, much less after his son, Lu Ten, died.
@mr.skateandwatch
@mr.skateandwatch Жыл бұрын
“I was never angry, I was sad* because I thought you have lost your way…” Bone chilling It shows that Zuko wasn’t the only one of the duo struggling with his own journey.
@somegaykid9187
@somegaykid9187 Жыл бұрын
shit gets me choked up just reading that quote lol what a show
@Pattmore
@Pattmore Жыл бұрын
He said sad
@yamataichul
@yamataichul Жыл бұрын
There are ppl who gag (maybe not all in bad faith) this moment for being too on the nose. But it was enough. Book 3 is mostly about every character after all and honestly, it takes a lot of strength to figure out your pain in words. The scene is not overated, is indeed powerful!
@angelajaime5155
@angelajaime5155 Жыл бұрын
I love Uncle Iroh, but my heart will always break for Azula, how she was left behind by every adult in her life, because she wasn't soft enough, that her own family forgot she was a child.
@NotHere07
@NotHere07 Жыл бұрын
This is my question to the writers too. Azula and Zuko's destiny can be interchanged if Iroh stayed and guided Azula. But it will harder than guiding Zuko. Azula's life is a cycle of 'im toxic > because no one guided me to the right path > because im toxic > no one will stay'. It's sad but this is the reality for some people. If this isnt a kids show, maybe the writers might had gone into a more darker path in Azula's story.
@kcirtapelyk6060
@kcirtapelyk6060 Жыл бұрын
Azula was too much like her father to ever really grow or change. Iroh knew that, which was probably why he favored and nurtured Zuko instead of her. Unlike Azula, Zuko from a very young age displayed warmth, kindness, compassion, honor, and empathy, which meant that he had the most potential for great change and personal growth. Even if he wanted to reach out to her, she would’ve dismissed this as some sort of cynical ploy to gain power or saw it as some kind of pathetic weakness on his part.
@NotHere07
@NotHere07 Жыл бұрын
@@kcirtapelyk6060 thats why paranoia is one of the hardest to deal with in terms of mental disorders. Its even harder if the person had paranoia and absolute power, like Azula and some tyrant dictators and conquerors.
@angelajaime5155
@angelajaime5155 Жыл бұрын
@@kcirtapelyk6060 I don't agree that she was too much like Ozai from an early age, he shaped her to his will thru manipulation. Now, it is true that Azula would have seen Iroh's attempts at kindness with mistrust, Zuko and Azula are very different, and Iroh would have needed to take a different approach when reaching out to her. It is understandable that Iroh preferred Zuko, since he was indeed naturally kind and reminded him of his son; I believe Iroh just didn't know *how* to reach out to her. I believe that when it comes to people like Azula, you need to become someone worthy of admiring in their eyes, and then they'll listen. I guess I just have a soft spot for Azula, she reminds me of myself when I was younger. A perfectionist, "advanced" child, that lacked empathy, and CRAVED attention from certain adults.
@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241
@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241 Жыл бұрын
​@@angelajaime5155 I completely agree! Azula was raised in the SAME culture Zuko was in. People just believe she was born "evil" because she wasn't nurturing to her OLDER brother like Katara was.
@leeeeedle1844
@leeeeedle1844 Жыл бұрын
We criticize characters because we love them. To blindly follow and adore a character ( like some iroh fans) is NOT love, it’s fanaticism. Iroh did some messed up things and should be held accountable. He’s flawed and that’s ok! He’s complex and to rewrite his character as a “perfect wise Sage and mentor” is stripping him of his complexity and harming the series as a whole. Now ofc iroh is a great positive influence on zuko and others, but let’s not forget his shortcomings.
@rawdasalmataman7908
@rawdasalmataman7908 Жыл бұрын
I definitely agree
@riverbanzachamploo9725
@riverbanzachamploo9725 Жыл бұрын
Facts
@lukep7885
@lukep7885 11 ай бұрын
What we see from iroh is effectively the wise mentor. But I don’t think that’s why anyone really appreciates his character. It’s his acceptance of his failings and his determination to bios a positive impact that makes him beloved.
@user-dz4ye5ln6q
@user-dz4ye5ln6q 2 ай бұрын
This was written by a woman
@Balke_Beesnuck
@Balke_Beesnuck Жыл бұрын
I interpreted him calling ba sing se his greatest failure not only to mean losing his son, but the him recognizing how wrong and awful his actions there were. I think his son’s death was a wake up call for him, and allowed him to see how truly wrong his actions were. I do agree that iron is not perfect, but in a way I think it makes him an even better role model. None of us can ever be perfect, but I think it is important to try, and even if you do not achieve your goals, you still did the best you could and that is enough
@numbernumber25
@numbernumber25 Жыл бұрын
Indeed, there is much difference in the views of life when such a large emotional point takes place. It is not entirely clear on Iroh's life as a young man, we are only really aware of how he was when he was a father and how he had a change from when the loss of his own son led to him to when we first saw him on screen. I think you are right on the death of his son, we often do not sense the emotion of loss until he came face to face with it. After it happened, he must have started to focus more on loss and saw the many civilians and soldiers of the earth kingdom left without life. The realization of emotion and focus revolves around many parts of life. When a person loses a dog, the take the pain and start to feel the emptiness of where their companion once was. Then they start to focus on the other dogs around, the other people that are smiling and playing with their own dogs. Seeing the death of his own son, then seeing the pain the earth kingdom citizens must of shifted his view of the war and the mentality of the fire nation. This of course is only a guess to how he started to change, but I am sure the deaths of others started to course a deeper sense of sadness after his son was gone. Mistakes allow for growth, Iroh is open to making mistakes for the sake of making even a stranger's day a little bit better. He may not be perfect, but you are right that we should all do our best even if we do not reach our goals.
@Alaryk111
@Alaryk111 Жыл бұрын
It's not the case. Iroh was also a coleader of the invasion of the North Pole he joinded after Zhao personaly requested him to join. Obviously Iroh joined to help Zuko BUT; Why would Zhao ask him to join in the first place? 1)Zhao was petty and didn't liked having his authority challanged and Fire Lord's brother was someone who could do that. 2) Zhao expected Iroh's betrayel. 3) They were not in good relations at least since Zhao's Agni Kai with Zuko. And yet despite all of it Zhao asked him to join him. Why? There must have been a military reason for that. Weather it was inspiring the troops and boosting their morale or taking part in planing the invasion(Iroh was a tacticall and strategic genious) Iroh had part in the conquest of the North. Also notice that his only concern with killing the moon spirit was that it would affect Fire Nation negativly. He only given up on Fire Nation after Azula wanted to arest him and Zuko and not because he was against what fire nation was doing but because it was his person(and Zuko) that was now hunted by the Fire nation.
@Balke_Beesnuck
@Balke_Beesnuck Жыл бұрын
@@Alaryk111 I think you have some good points, but I think Iroh was in a way intentionally misleading the Fire nation, and would have left long ago if it wasn’t for Zuko. I can fully imagine Iroh doing this, but I don’t think we can know for sure. I interpret his comments on the moon spirit to not be about his concern for the Fire nation, but as a way of appealing to Zhao, who is still invested in the Fire nation. Either way I think Iroh has a lot of good lessons, and a lot you can look up to, but it is still important to be careful of idolizing other people (especially those in history and real life)
@dargron7614
@dargron7614 Жыл бұрын
@@Alaryk111 Zhao's only motivation for inviting Iroh to the North was to gloat. Zhao was ambitious, egotistical and wanted his achievements to be recognised. As much as Iroh was dishonoured by his failure to conquer Ba Sing Se, he was still recognised as royalty and one of the Fire Nation's greatest ever generals. Zhao wanted Iroh there to bear witness to his greatest victory - perhaps in the hopes of gaining validation from a peer, or more likely, simply to rub Iroh's nose in the dirt. He wanted to be seen as superior to Iroh, and what better way than to have the man himself present to remind everyone. Much like with Zuko's quest to capture the Avatar, Iroh's support of Zhao's invasion is entirely passive. Iroh offers Zhao no advice that would gain him strategic advantage over the Waterbenders, only warnings that might help avoid needless casualties.
@AstroSully
@AstroSully 2 ай бұрын
Same. His actions of liberating Ba Sing Se shows that.
@dale6947
@dale6947 Жыл бұрын
Wow, I never thought I'd see the day when someone said it how it is regarding Iroh. So many people turn him into some kind of all-wise perfect saint when he is still a very flawed person even in the series.
@willnash7907
@willnash7907 Жыл бұрын
I really don't think he is that flawed in his presentation in the series. He is very much a good guy with a messed up past hanging on the baddies'' side out of inertia. He doesn't stay there long.
@OhNoTheFace
@OhNoTheFace Жыл бұрын
@@willnash7907 *war criminal*, not a "messed up past"
@owlegrad
@owlegrad Жыл бұрын
@@OhNoTheFace What war crime did he commit?
@willnash7907
@willnash7907 Жыл бұрын
@@OhNoTheFace And Schindler was a Nazi war profiteer. The point of a redemption arc is that redemption is possible. I don't think it changes the fact that Iroh's flaws are present only in the past, and there not prominent.
@riverbanzachamploo9725
@riverbanzachamploo9725 Жыл бұрын
Yeah that's something I always hated about the fandom.
@lughskywalker
@lughskywalker Жыл бұрын
Mention of the knife inscription got me thinking about it’s meaning in Zuko Alone. Zuko offers the knife to the kid at the end, to then be rejected and scorned. It seemed to represent the kid simply hating Zuko for being a fire bender and rejecting his wisdom because of that, but it goes deeper. The advice and wisdom imparted to the kid by Zuko in a large part owes to the inscription on the knife, which was stolen from an Earth kingdom general. So the kid is symbolically rejecting the wisdom of his own people (just like Zuko was for a time rejecting his true identity) in that moment of hatred for the fire nation. In the way he yells that he hates Zuko, it reminded me of how Zuko himself scorned Iroh when he tried to teach him the right path. Iroh’s story is almost his own extended “Iroh Alone” story.
@godsstrongestmagicalgirl5217
@godsstrongestmagicalgirl5217 Жыл бұрын
THIS IS SOOO GOOODBI
@colorblockpoprocks6973
@colorblockpoprocks6973 10 ай бұрын
yea you're totally right oh man! the kid scorning the earth kingdom wisdom on the knife purely from prejudice against the fire nation is a direct parallel to the way that Zuko did a very universally kind thing but they still refused to see its value, simply because of his heritage! :0
@trueblade3636
@trueblade3636 7 ай бұрын
@@godsstrongestmagicalgirl5217 Yeah indeed! Also, Sage rain was wrong about Azula & the doll. Zuko needed courage, so he gives him the knife. Azula already has courage and a lot of skill. Sp she gets the doll to try to nurture some more
@jeniamanning8621
@jeniamanning8621 Жыл бұрын
I am so glad you brought up that point about Azula. Everyone treated that girl like a monster and praised her for it. Who knows what that same love and support could've done
@comradeblin256
@comradeblin256 Жыл бұрын
Meanwhile in alternate universe= Azula best waifu of all time, strong, wise and compassionate.
@kcirtapelyk6060
@kcirtapelyk6060 Жыл бұрын
Can you really blame them though? Even as a little girl, she was practically a clone of her father. Cold, ruthless, heartless, and power hungry. Iroh saw that she was too far gone while Zuko on the other hand displayed kindness, compassion, and empathy, therefore had greater potential for positive change and personal growth. It also helped that he was abused and neglected by his father, hence he was in desperate need of a more positive masculine role model in his life. A role that Iroh was more than happy to play.
@erikthomsen4768
@erikthomsen4768 Жыл бұрын
I have heard about people like her who are born with nasty personality quicks. There’s this one woman, a psychopath, grew up with far better people to guide her than Azula ever got. She could get on people's nerves and act without a hint of empathy. But she was law-abiding and somewhere along the line came to a appreciate her child as a part of herself. Psychopaths have self worth and all the other things that makes us humans. But with people like Azula there are special needs that neither Iroh nor Ursa could provide for given the circumstances.
@stansman5461
@stansman5461 Жыл бұрын
@@comradeblin256 to be fair, aside from her being quick to violence, she is the best waifu
@stansman5461
@stansman5461 Жыл бұрын
While I agree with Azula upbringing being tough, this is one thing I can't put on Iroh. Zuko was cast out by Ozai so Iroh was able to slide in and guide him. I doubt Ozai wouldn't let Iroh have the prodigy child he was hand rearing. And Iroh was in no position to take on the newly power hungry Firelord who killed his own father and was willing to kill his son.
@cantthinkofaname5234
@cantthinkofaname5234 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, after some thought, the scene from Zuko alone where Zuko and Azula receive their gifts from Iroh, I think it kinda symbolizes how the two of them treated the earth kingdom itself. The dagger isn't just a dagger, it's a piece of culture, craftsmanship, philosophy (as the "never give up without a fight" perfectly reflect the earth kingdom people's stubborness, which Iroh will later point out) etc of another nation and so is the doll, it's also a piece of culture, fashion, art, aesthetics etc. When Zuko gets his dagger he accepts it, carries it with him and eventually he gives it back to the earth kingdom, and not to just anyone in the earth kingdom, he gives it to a little boy from an impoverished village who has lost both his father and older brother to the fire nation. Azula gets her doll sees it as nothing but a stupid toy and burns it, which maybe serves as a precursor to when she'll suggest that they use Sozin's comet to burn the entire earth kingdom to the ground at the war meeting later on. Or maybe I'm looking into it too much and it's not that deep. 😂
@numbernumber25
@numbernumber25 Жыл бұрын
I mean I honestly think it reflects more on the children rather than Iroh. At very least it does like you said reflect Iroh's choice with gifts as strong symbols of the nation it is from with careful choices for the quality and philosophy. I also did not realize he had return the dagger to the boy, while Azula burned the doll. I would say it serves as good forshadowing and just in general good characterization of how they each view the earth kingdom. Like the Swordsmaster Piandao said the blade is not just a weapon, but the extension of oneself, or something like that. Zuko respects the craftsmanship and shows appreciation for the gift with joy, it is the blade he carries when he leaves Iroh to wander alone. Even if he is alone, he carries the spirit of his uncle with him both spiritually and physically with the blade. This goes in contrast to Azula who does not show appreciation for the gift, even if she did not like it she made the choice to destroy it. This shows her disregard for other people's kindness, we as the audience even know what would happen if she got something different. If the gifts were swapped, Zuko would still appreciate the gift however question why he got a doll. Azula would just parade around with the dagger and show it off to Zuko, then mock him for how he got such a chilidsh toy while she got something that is good for fighting with. After that she would probably complain on why the blade is so small or why the color is not red or something. Also I think you are fine with looking into it, I mean each choice made does not necessarily mean it was considered deep. However, we as an audience like to draw ideas from what we currently know about the characters, so we make connections based off what type of thinking they would have.
@rockmegently
@rockmegently Жыл бұрын
Lol, here I was thinking it was just Iroh reading Azula’s character wrong and assuming she’d want a doll when she was just as much a warrior as Zuko, if not better. Maybe if he had gotten them both something useful that they could cherish, she wouldn’t have burned the doll.
@kymo6343
@kymo6343 Жыл бұрын
The doll in the latest Earth Kingdom fashions could also symbolize how Azula and her fighters dressed up in the latest Earth Kingdom fashions to infiltrate it...
@KnucklesxReala911
@KnucklesxReala911 Жыл бұрын
@@rockmegently i think one could also see iroh's gift to represent things he wants for the children, he wants zuko to protect himself and be strong for his own merit, since they all know ozai has a big preference for his daughter than his son, while with azula, you could imagine that he give her a doll to try open a more tender side to her, let herself take care of something as fragile and soft as a doll with love and care, but she doesnt
@Winter-Alpha-Omega
@Winter-Alpha-Omega Жыл бұрын
​@@rockmegently I agree with the other guy. Had he given her a dagger like Zuko's, Azula would've probably skinned some cat alive or she would've not appreciated it at all.
@hez859
@hez859 Жыл бұрын
What's not touched on enough is the influence Iroh had on Ozai when they were young. Ozai actually started off timid not unlike his son, Iroh didn't pay him any attention until he started to show ruthlessness, he helped nurture the personality of Ozai
@newsearching
@newsearching Жыл бұрын
Where did you learn that from??
@rail7646
@rail7646 Жыл бұрын
@@newsearching obviously from the comics
@riverbanzachamploo9725
@riverbanzachamploo9725 Жыл бұрын
Oh wow I never considered that
@grahamdamberger7130
@grahamdamberger7130 Жыл бұрын
And when Iroh saw what Ozai had become on the day that Ozai burned Zuko's face, Iroh knew that he had to correct his mistake. And Zuko was the one best suited to take the throne of the Fire Lord away from Ozai. But he (Iroh) couldn't let the Fire Nation know about his plan or risk any of them figuring this out, so he kept watch over Zuko for the first 2 seasons, then Zuko needed to figure things out on his own during the third season.
@newsearching
@newsearching Жыл бұрын
@@rail7646 Which comic??? I own most of them and I don't remember anything about Ozai's childhood in any of them.
@ComposedSage75
@ComposedSage75 Жыл бұрын
Iroh never claimed to be perfect. He saw the imperfections in life especially in people and still found reasons to love people regardless of where they came from. Iroh had done crimes in his past and realized the horrors he’d done as well as the families he ruined. He didn’t want his nephew to go down that same path so instead he aided Zuko in coming to terms with who he is and what he wanted to be for himself. Not because of some nobility. That’s how I saw Iroh.
@Moesie
@Moesie Жыл бұрын
Yeah but too many people overate iroh too much I feel like iroh is one of the most overatted character All bevause he got great charm
@msk-qp6fn
@msk-qp6fn Жыл бұрын
It is not that Iroh considers himself perfect, it is the audience that often tend to glorify him a bit too much.
@Moesie
@Moesie Жыл бұрын
@@msk-qp6fn yeah i hated it and the audience are iroh simps I could understamd ur mesmorized by irohs charm Ur u got some daddy issues Or the grandpa u wish but never had But cmon? Why being so bias? There was a quiz vote 1.Who is the nicest character Ty lee, suki , aang , iroh? Iroh won with 70% votes 2. Who is the most spiritual? Ginora, aang, iroh, or the bald guy zaheer 80% voted iroh. Reason? Iroh could see spirits and his body attached the spirit world aang couldnt Like 1st of all thats not what spiritual means 2th of all are u all not being bias? U iroh fans? Now what? Who is the most handsome , iroh? Who got the best sixpack? Ronaldo , ozai, bruce lee or iroh? Ofcourse these blind brainwashed iroh simps would vote iroh for the best sixpack....
@Moesie
@Moesie Жыл бұрын
@@msk-qp6fn iroh won the vote for being most spiritual Even more then aang zaheer jinora Iroh won the vote quiz Who is nicest Even against ty lee suki or aang iroh got most votes These iroh fans dont think and they annoy me with there biased
@oreo-postraphe
@oreo-postraphe Жыл бұрын
​@@Moesie"They don't think" Just because you disagree with them doesnt mean they arent critically thinking
@StonedHunter
@StonedHunter Жыл бұрын
Of course he isn't perfect. That's the entire point. He KNOWS he's done awful and unforgivable things in the past. Thank you for bringing up how he ignored Azula. It seems people want to forget that she was in the same situation as Zuko, and while more ruthless even at that age, was likely not beyond hope but had no one to really give her any guidance aside from her father. Iroh is the picture of continued growth, the acknowledgement that the path of changing and improving is NEVER finished. We should always strive to be better than who we were the day before.
@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241
@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241 Жыл бұрын
Exactly. Iroh probably Ignored her cause Zuko reminded him of his son.
@StonedHunter
@StonedHunter Жыл бұрын
@Obehi Ikhigbonoaremen well maybe but we did get a glimpse that Iroh was closer to Zuko while his son was still alive.
@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241
@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241 Жыл бұрын
@@StonedHunter Yeah I guess
@kylepaine9752
@kylepaine9752 Жыл бұрын
Couldn’t have come at a better time. Been rewatching this again and been thinking a lot about Iroh’s character
@MrWill9002
@MrWill9002 Жыл бұрын
Yeah. I agree he wasn’t perfect but he made himself a better man for it. Only wish that it wasn’t at such a great cost since as Theoden once said “No parent should have to burry their child.”
@johnbradley7294
@johnbradley7294 Жыл бұрын
@@MrWill9002 Yup exactly a fault that is not mentioned is his complete lack of care for his brother. Like I know Ozai is a monster but he never once seemed to care about him or his struggles just as cold with Azula "gotta take him down".
@MrWill9002
@MrWill9002 Жыл бұрын
@@johnbradley7294 Perhaps he does care for them deep down but he knew they had passed the point of no return
@kylegonewild
@kylegonewild Жыл бұрын
There's also something just very heartwarming about seeing a heartbroken old man finding joy and happiness in his life again, knowing the depressing context behind his journey of personal growth.
@huenoiflo
@huenoiflo Жыл бұрын
5:41 but you have to say, that Zuko looks very young. Like only a few months old. And thus Azula probably wasn't even born yet
@MrWarners14
@MrWarners14 Жыл бұрын
The one thing I absolutely appreciate about Iroh’s arc in the story is in order for the character to be much kinder, he had to go down a very dark path of vile evil that had real serious consequences: losing his son was what broke those ideals completely. It changed him and it made him reflect on all the horrible things he had done to other families and people and this what set him on his eventual path with Zuko to atonement and true redemption. He committed horrendous crimes and atrocities. It would be disingenuous to claim he was always a great guy. He wasn’t always but that’s what made him so interesting. It’s his horrible mistakes that forces him to ask Zuko the hard but necessary questions that would change both of them for the better. In order to change the Fire Nation, they needed to break away and get outside help eventually. The death of his son is ironically what saved his and Zuko’s lives from a worse fate.
@SpammytheHedgehog
@SpammytheHedgehog Жыл бұрын
I like how Iroh had the courage to look away when Ozai burned Zuko's face.
@ShinbrigTV
@ShinbrigTV Жыл бұрын
Meanwhile Azula's crazy ass...
@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241
@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241 Жыл бұрын
​@@ShinbrigTV That reaction was Iroh's imagination.
@azulabluewarrior
@azulabluewarrior 11 ай бұрын
​@@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241really
@AstroSully
@AstroSully 2 ай бұрын
Also Azula pictures Zuko without a scar in her ideal world. @@ShinbrigTV
@maph12
@maph12 Жыл бұрын
The picture of Iroh holding Zuko may have been from before Azula was born.
@Kitty-the-Bunny
@Kitty-the-Bunny 2 ай бұрын
Yeah I think it was; Azula is two years younger and Zuko looks like a baby there
@HenrythePaleoGuy
@HenrythePaleoGuy Жыл бұрын
Him developing and coming to terms with his past, and continually building on himself and trying to help others is what makes him such an awesome character. Excellent video.
@ZentaBon
@ZentaBon Жыл бұрын
Awesome to see you here!!
@kjokjojessica
@kjokjojessica Жыл бұрын
The speech that Iroh gives Zuko about asking what he wants perfectly sums up how he had gone through that exact phase himself.
@nitzan3782
@nitzan3782 Жыл бұрын
I think Iroh genuinely despised Azula, because he saw Ozai in her, and projected all the sibling rivalry that he had to take from Ozai onto her.
@RadElNew
@RadElNew Жыл бұрын
3:39 The Air Nomads were already wiped out decades before Iroh was born.
@ezg5221
@ezg5221 Жыл бұрын
Iroh was judged by Ran and Shaw before Zuko was born, and therefore before the death of Lu Ten. So he learned the true spirit of firebending before his siege on Ba Sing Se. Iroh's journey was likely as filled with missteps as Zuko's. Maintaining his authority in the Fire Nation was probably thought useful for subterfuge, but interestingly, following the heir to the throne into his banishment was the key to actualize a transformation of the Fire Nation
@seonghong784
@seonghong784 6 ай бұрын
The fact that Uncle Iroh is not perfect, and that he never claims to ever be perfect, is what makes him so virtuous and admired.
@cameronjadewallace
@cameronjadewallace Жыл бұрын
One doesn't have to be perfect... We never expected him to be perfect.... But he was redeemable.
@loafoftofu6773
@loafoftofu6773 Жыл бұрын
Iroh isn’t a perfect character but he actively works to make himself and other around him better, that’s what makes him compelling.
@shmo7708
@shmo7708 Жыл бұрын
i agree with these criticisms of iroh's decisions, I just wish the series addressed them. Iroh is consistently presented to be the sage character who the viewer is always supposed to trust and see as the voice of reason. Though Iroh makes questionable decisions he is never really called out for any of them by any of the people he or the viewer cares about, presenting Iroh as if he is perfect. Though focusing on Iroh's flaws may have been too much since he needed to be the wise mentor for zuko who already had significant flaws to grow out of.
@Lucasp110
@Lucasp110 5 ай бұрын
The point is that he got his wisdom from his errors
@miklestevens2797
@miklestevens2797 Жыл бұрын
I think Iroh and Azula's relationship or lack thereof is based in a misunderstanding of Azula. I think it is one of the core elements of Azula's character. From a young age, Ursa and other positive figures for her like Iroh never understood her or why she does the things she does. She does them out of wanting to be accepted and wanted. From training hard to be a firebending prodigy and being perfect in every aspect, in order to please and garner attention from the only place she can which is Ozai and even at that Ozai doesnt understand her, he just respects her prowess. I think Iroh definitely made the mistake of not trying to understand Azula when she was younger. He never made an effort to get to know her or even bond with his niece and this is further cemented when he gifts her the doll. It is a representation of his inability to guide Azula due to neglecting her as a person. If I'm being honest Azula is a mischevious child and she manipulates to get what she wants, which is attention, but if Iroh would have taken the time to attend to her aswell, I think Azula would be a completely different character. Both her and Iroh are alike in a lot of ways and had he catered towards her and Zuko equally things would be WAYY different.
@dargron7614
@dargron7614 Жыл бұрын
Does Iroh fail to understand Azula, or does he understand her better than we think? Azula lacks compassion and empathy. Iroh's gift of the doll could have been a deliberate and subtle attempt to encourage Azula to develop those aspects of her personality that were severely lacking, just as Zuko's gift encouraged him to . Just imagine had Azula accepted the doll. Imagine the possible positive effect on her if through the doll, she were to learn to care for something other than herself - specifically a doll that so clearly represents the enemy.
@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241
@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241 Жыл бұрын
​​@@dargron7614 Sorry, develop Empathy for the very people Iroh just killed and conquered? 😂 Azula didn't like the gift because she didn't like dolls, lol. She's more interested in other stuff. Azula accepting the doll wouldn't necessarily teach her empathy. Imagine if Iroh gave her the knife.
@Alpha_Runaway
@Alpha_Runaway Жыл бұрын
@@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241 it’s not about it being an earth kingdom doll, just a doll in general. The message sent with the doll was for it to be friend to Azula, it was meant for her feel comfortable and safe with it the same way younger kids do with their dolls/action figures. Zuko got a knife so he’d more confident and Azula a doll to be more compassionate
@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241
@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241 Жыл бұрын
@@Alpha_Runaway It’s hypocritical of Iroh to do so though, a doll from the people HE has conquered and joked about killing. Lol, Azula believes the same stuff Ozai believes. Besides Azula isn't the type of girl to be interested in dolls anyway. Iroh was obviously closer to Zuko and that played into the gifts he gave them. Iroh gave Zuko something he would actually like, while Iroh went with the most generic thing for Azula.
@colorblockpoprocks6973
@colorblockpoprocks6973 10 ай бұрын
@@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241 hypocrisy does not make you wrong. you can kill people all you want but the second you say "killing is bad" it does not change the morals of murder nor does it change the reality that you killed.
@Sun-Warrior1911
@Sun-Warrior1911 Жыл бұрын
Iroh is the blip of light in a dark world. He proves that with a little bit of hope any obstacle you face, no matter how daunting, you can climb & overcome!! Change is possible!!
@christopherballero866
@christopherballero866 Жыл бұрын
I never thought Iroh had a perfect past but he went through a lot and because of that was able to help Zuko redeem himself leading to perhaps the best redemption arc ever. Personally I'd love a 3 season prequel covering Iroh's: childhood, time in the military, son's death, and the aftermath of his son's death. I also appreciate that Iroh never really tried to hurt: Aang, Katara, Sokka, or Toph but tried to help them. Yes, Iroh used firebending in the first episode against Aang but I think he was trying to demonstrate Zuko firebending
@DashedSimpusMaximus
@DashedSimpusMaximus Жыл бұрын
The growth of a person through loss and pain, made him into a greater person, he could've become like his brother, but created and made his own path towards love and forgiveness.
@geekcultureandmovieLover
@geekcultureandmovieLover Жыл бұрын
What I'd like to add about Azula's gift, maybe its just my reading, but since Azula was much more cruel, violence loving little kid, Iroh gave her this little doll, hoping to connect to any sense of innocence left inside.
@abigailaceves9230
@abigailaceves9230 Жыл бұрын
I also kinda see it that way, too. I also think that maybe Iroh tried to be as close to Asula as he is with Suko, but Ozai already has a greater influence over the young girl which is why he’s said, “She’s crazy and she needs to go down.” Funny line, but also sad.
@dale6947
@dale6947 Жыл бұрын
Or more likely he just didn't bother getting to know her. Giving Zuko a knife hardly fits with wanting to make his brother's children less violent, especially as he also sent them a letter joking about burning Ba Sing Se to the ground.
@geekcultureandmovieLover
@geekcultureandmovieLover Жыл бұрын
@@dale6947 I don't think it was to make Zuko violent, but to give him the needed courage to grow. And he lives by it in a great example in the future especially when he changes and grows.
@dale6947
@dale6947 Жыл бұрын
@@geekcultureandmovieLover It was a war trophy gifted to his thirteen year-old nephew. I think you are reading later events and intentions into it more than you should.
@geekcultureandmovieLover
@geekcultureandmovieLover Жыл бұрын
@@dale6947 Maybe I am, but that's how I see it. And also given the fire nation's fascination with war, from my view, I think Iroh wanted his nephew to be stronger, not a monster. To have the strength, but not go through it like the nation did
@ac14cmpunk25
@ac14cmpunk25 Жыл бұрын
The best Character in the entire Avatar Series and one of the best written Characters ever
@Mf_CHIP
@Mf_CHIP Жыл бұрын
Uncle Iroh is not perfect. That's what makes him perfect.
@msk-qp6fn
@msk-qp6fn Жыл бұрын
THE ULTIMATE IRONY LOL
@jonathanhoward562
@jonathanhoward562 7 ай бұрын
You get it chip
@Ki_Adi_Mundi
@Ki_Adi_Mundi Жыл бұрын
And that's why he's perfect.
@TheInfectiousCadaver
@TheInfectiousCadaver Жыл бұрын
irohs been coming up a lot in my life. ill take it as my 2 deceased uncles letting me know they are still here.
@jonpruitt8376
@jonpruitt8376 Жыл бұрын
An imperfect person who still has many words worth hearing.
@writerlairchannel2636
@writerlairchannel2636 Жыл бұрын
My quote in Iroh style: "life is not bad or good, its your emotions which matters, if you bring happiness, you will live happy, balance of life
@sivanlevi3867
@sivanlevi3867 Жыл бұрын
The emphasis on imperfection in Avatar is profound, more than most series I've ever seen in my life. But calling to mind a certain lyric, they're perfect imperfections. Zuko made mistakes, Iroh made mistakes, Sokka made mistakes, and Aang inherited whole lifetimes worth of mistakes from previous Avatars. While some like Ozai, Azula, Amon, Unalaq, and many others aren't given a chance to make up for them, others like Zuko, Iroh, Aang, even Zaheer and Kuvira managed to find that inner strength or have that life-changing luck to metamorphose into new, better people. The reason why I admire the characters of A:TLA and A:LOK is that I don't let these flaws define my view of them, one must see things from all sides. Now, I'm going into far future by two Avatar cycles and tell a new story of my own.
@davismorgan7955
@davismorgan7955 Жыл бұрын
Loved your mention of the Korra villains as well. I think that series is criminally overlooked by so many. It is messier and not as tight as The Last Airbender, but there are so many moments of genuine growth and I appreciate how the creators chose to tell a story that is completely different from Aang’s. Aang was the kid who didn’t want to be the avatar in a world that desperately needed him, and Korra wanted to be the avatar the world needed when the world didn’t see a need for an avatar. Two beautiful shows.
@jamestran1634
@jamestran1634 Жыл бұрын
Sage, I'm taking a class about studio ghibli films at my university and my professor used your "To Love" video to explore how the themes of love are portrayed in some Japanese animations
@sonh788
@sonh788 Жыл бұрын
A lot of people forgot that iroh murdered hundreds of people as a military conqueror . As a Humbler , his son's life was the trade-off
@kcirtapelyk6060
@kcirtapelyk6060 Жыл бұрын
That’s kinda what made him such a great character. He shown that anyone is capable of great good and great evil.
@jatdaman
@jatdaman 2 ай бұрын
​@kcirtapelyk6060 but the show barely touches on his crimes. By the time we see him he is entirely absolved from his actions that were only 5 years ago 😂😂😂
@evil.6119
@evil.6119 Жыл бұрын
loved seeing this point of view from iroh makes him more human and makes me understand azula more
@bw5020
@bw5020 Жыл бұрын
I think that folks like Iroh but don't realize that to get Iroh energy from a Zuko kinda person is to have an expectation of better but allowing the grace to get there. Otherwise, you get an Ozai. Iroh chose better when better was hard, if not dangerous. I wish we could give that same grace to folks in real life when they sincerely attempt better, instead of hanging folks opportunistically when we know we would wilt to the same energy. Be a Iroh when it's afforded.😊
@menace2society759
@menace2society759 Жыл бұрын
LA LA LALALA I CANT HEAR YOU YES HE IS YES HE IS YES HE IS
@axelreboot8475
@axelreboot8475 Жыл бұрын
I believe it was only sozin who lead the Airbender genocide iroh wasn't born until like 40 or 50 years after when Sozin was already starting to die
@aran.m977
@aran.m977 Жыл бұрын
True. He himself knows that and I don't think he even sees himself as a good man because of everything he did in his past.
@hilgigas09
@hilgigas09 Жыл бұрын
My impression is that Iroh sees his younger self in Azula. She like him was a prodigy, arrogant, and thought nothing of killing. This ties into my theory about Lightning Bending it's purely about Killing intent and control. Azula did not hesitate to aim Lighting at her own brother the same way Iroh would not hesitate if faced with Ozai. To Iroh the only way to help Azula is for her to be humbled and find her own way otherwise any true change for the better won't stick.
@Zzrik
@Zzrik Жыл бұрын
Thats part of Irohs greatness, he knew that he wasn't perfect nor did he ever strive to be perfect.
@anime_world6684
@anime_world6684 Жыл бұрын
As a kid I thought he was, the perfect mentor for Aang and zuko but over time other than the writer no one is perfect
@patrickoverstreet2372
@patrickoverstreet2372 Жыл бұрын
His flaws are what make him the pinnacle of what a man should be, he is kind, compassionate, empathetic, humble, mentally and physically strong, and most importantly he is capable of learning from his mistakes and willing to admit when he's wrong. The best people are the ones who have made a mountain of mistakes and suffered through hardship and tragedy without losing their humanity while also growing to be a better person.
@alexthomas311
@alexthomas311 Жыл бұрын
Careful man. You could have a mob banging at your door with those words.
@heinyved6421
@heinyved6421 Жыл бұрын
very well done and deep character analysis
@rabeckaleeann
@rabeckaleeann Жыл бұрын
I don't think the picture of Iroh with Zuko and Lu Ten is good evidence for Iroh favoring Zuko over Azula. Zuko is an infant in that picture, younger than two. Azula is two years younger than Zuko and wouldn't even have been born yet. He may not have known Azula well before he left for the siege of Ba Sing Se.
@gideonark5542
@gideonark5542 Жыл бұрын
In the beginning of the search comics there is a panel that shows that Iroh hopes for Azula to find peace by finding Ursa, so even the creative leads have acknowledged that he isnt so condeming of her as it was made to seem.
@Sh0yo
@Sh0yo Жыл бұрын
And that is exactly why we love him
@SpammytheHedgehog
@SpammytheHedgehog Жыл бұрын
A lot of us need to think like Uncle Iroh.
@MrWill9002
@MrWill9002 Жыл бұрын
It’s true but he made himself a better man that he was before…only wish it hadn’t come at so great a price
@comradekolbot2220
@comradekolbot2220 3 ай бұрын
“Seems like everyone just wants to start over…why not just get it right the first time?”-CJ
@jebuscrust1435
@jebuscrust1435 5 ай бұрын
That hug between Zuko and Iroh in the last episode always makes me tear up. I don’t even need to hear it. I thought you would be angry. I was never angry at you I was just scared you had lost your path. Always gets me every damn time
@jtgd
@jtgd Жыл бұрын
2:55 the siege of Ba Sing Se was 600 days, but I don’t think he was in the earth kingdom for that long. Probably longer.
@JaredTVW
@JaredTVW Жыл бұрын
Iroh is not a perfect character but he was written nearly perfectly. I do believe most who sing of Iroh’s praises make that distinction too. To this day, he is my favorite character and the only character in media who has been able to pull out such raw emotions from me. In part, I believe Mako’s passing aids in this, as I truly feel Mako acted through this character and I feel Makos heart as Iroh. And while the understudy did a fantastic job and also was incredible, I feel this made the character of Iroh that much deeper and impactful.
@ThatGUY666666
@ThatGUY666666 Жыл бұрын
If I remember correctly, there was an interview with the creators that stated that during his time as a general Iroh was "Not cruel, but good at his job" or something to that effect. If that is the case he gives me some real Erwin Rommel vibes in that both were incredibly gifted and high ranking military leaders who were definitely on the wrong side of a war, but were not themselves guilty of war crimes. On another note, I hope this goes without saying but your work as always is beyond fantastic
@speedracer2008
@speedracer2008 10 ай бұрын
Iroh was always a good man. He was a loving father and loyal to the men under his command. It just happened that he was commanding an army that committed unspeakable atrocities.
@maytalacedo20
@maytalacedo20 5 ай бұрын
Iroh is inspiration that anyone can change and grow but also taking accountability while changing into a gentle person is why Iroh is so memorable.
@yukiscarletmoon660
@yukiscarletmoon660 Жыл бұрын
One immutable truth of existence as a whole, is that nothing is perfect. Not the smallest grain of sand, nor the most colossal star. Nothing can ever be truly "Perfect". The pursuit of perfection will only lead you into an intoxicating paradox... Peace
@raven3067
@raven3067 Жыл бұрын
Iroh the parental figure we all wish we had.
@StrangerE0ns
@StrangerE0ns Жыл бұрын
He’s not a perfect human being, which is why he’s a perfect character
@bloodchron1880
@bloodchron1880 Жыл бұрын
Dude… what an absolute hell of a video. You’re the most underrated KZfaqr I’ve ever watched. I’ve been subed to you for a bit now been watching your vids expecting one to not be better than the last and here you come. Keep up the excellent work man. Loved it!
@sweet_rain8352
@sweet_rain8352 Жыл бұрын
The fact that he's not perfect makes it even better
@toumazturbano-vg4fp
@toumazturbano-vg4fp Жыл бұрын
Have to say I never looked at it in this angle but after your video I comprehend and love Iroh even more
@sirwonkyofthewesternfield2251
@sirwonkyofthewesternfield2251 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video!
@CatotheE
@CatotheE Жыл бұрын
People forget that. I always remember him making that joke about burning Ba Sing Se to the ground.
@angelparada9904
@angelparada9904 Жыл бұрын
And that's exactly why he is
@pepsiman_of_doom5984
@pepsiman_of_doom5984 Жыл бұрын
imma be real, you're my favourite channel, I've been writing my own play and your analytical skills are beautiful. The atmosphere of your vids are amazing ❤
@thor2900
@thor2900 3 ай бұрын
The ways of tea and failure.
@danpatrickth2759
@danpatrickth2759 Жыл бұрын
Awesomeness dude. Thanks for your viewpoint. 😎
@niemandzuhause4897
@niemandzuhause4897 Жыл бұрын
You know the feeling when the bass is vibrating in your chest? Thats gonna be this mans voice in about 4 videos.
@mausousap
@mausousap Жыл бұрын
tbh, im probably gonna love the video still, but the ad right at the beginning was such a big mood killer
@bornimusic
@bornimusic Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this beautiful analysis
@pare5108
@pare5108 Жыл бұрын
This video is spot on and echoes sentiments that i have always had!!!
@DarkShadow-ne3bu
@DarkShadow-ne3bu Жыл бұрын
I asked my parent's what it ment for Iroh to be a general, they explained that he was once a bad person but he is trying to repay his sins
@DSAEAyushSK
@DSAEAyushSK Жыл бұрын
3:40 I want to point out that the massacre of the Air Nomads happened a generation before Iroh was even born. So there is no way he could have had anything to do with it.
@brandonbrown7674
@brandonbrown7674 Жыл бұрын
your videos are amazing man🤞🏾
@shake4259
@shake4259 Жыл бұрын
5:38 Azula wasn't born yet lol
@anaccidentthathappened
@anaccidentthathappened 8 ай бұрын
“I believe people can change for the better I believe in second chances”
@mirage_404
@mirage_404 Жыл бұрын
How beautiful is it that our imperfections allow us to relate to and help others better. Nothing is wasted.
@virginsovietunion5876
@virginsovietunion5876 4 ай бұрын
Iroh was not a part of the air nomad extermination as he wasn’t born yet it was firelord sozin that did that
@NoahOfTheArc
@NoahOfTheArc 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for this video. I like Iroh as much as the next person, but I also appreciate taking a more clear-eyed look at his actions.
@skipswalks
@skipswalks Жыл бұрын
new sage’s rain vid? perfect it’s 2am and i can’t sleep
@feliz2892
@feliz2892 Жыл бұрын
Very fair view on the character
@SpammytheHedgehog
@SpammytheHedgehog Жыл бұрын
People like to assume that Iroh is perfect. In truth, he was just like Ozai in his early days until his son died.
@hez859
@hez859 Жыл бұрын
He influenced Ozai.
@Grayson-Winchester
@Grayson-Winchester Жыл бұрын
Iroh wanted to walk away from the fire nation and sought a different path. Although he could have been on the very top
@obadijahparks
@obadijahparks Жыл бұрын
Wisdom is pain beneath the foot of a man willing to climb.
@savvivixen8490
@savvivixen8490 Жыл бұрын
Iroh's my favorite in the series BECAUSE he's imperfect. All the wisdom he spits, the choices he makes, come from a wellspring of experiences he spent all over the moral spectrum, and the life he leads and guides others on at this point is the best he knows up to that point! I love him for that! As far as him "helping" Zuko capture the Avatar, his heart wasn't in it from the start. Also, even though he lost alot of prestige on paper, he needed to at least go through the motions of executing the mission in a competent way in order to protect Zuko from a possible power schism, or mutiny. Iroh may not have kept all the shiny political power, but he *still* was a f'ck-matherin General, and kept all the practical power and experience to back it up. Azula? Fair. He dropped the ball on Azula, and almost all females he came across in his life, the only real exception being Toph. He had alot of growing to do still. ...I wonder if meeting Toph (and eventually Katara) changed his perspective on how he saw and treated women? 🤔 But yeah, while this one stings a bit (for me) it kinda grounds him more in reality for me as someone who is a real guy with flaws to still iron out instead of this unrelateable paragon of morality. It also gives a bit of hope that even at that age, there's always room to grow. 😊
@thedarkknight727
@thedarkknight727 Жыл бұрын
Don’t forget where Kratos began. I wonder how a conversation between Kratos and Iroh would go. I’ll pay real money to see that. 🙂
@tr0n4556
@tr0n4556 Жыл бұрын
I feel so often that the wieght of the world is on my back and that only I can carry all of it. Iroh reminds me that It's okay to be a failure, so long as you get back up and try again. try to be better. I Aspire to be as good a man as he was, but also to atone for my past mistakes.
@OhNoTheFace
@OhNoTheFace Жыл бұрын
It's extremely human but telling it took a personal death to "unmonster" him, to wake him up. And monster is appropriate for him before, with him joking about a conquered and killed people. But that is what making amends for it so interesting
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