Uncovering the real impact of NVMe heatsinks
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Жыл бұрынI recently crafted a video on whether you should peel the sticker off your NVMe SSD ( • Should you peel the st... ). In that video, someone left a comment suggesting you could also just leave the heatsinks off and get better temperatures. I thought that was a curious concept and so I wanted to test it for myself. So in this video I take two different motherboards and test both the WD_Black SN850 ( • How to install WD_Blac... ) and Crucial P5 Plus ( • How to install Crucial... ) and test them both with and without heatsinks on different motherboards.
I used CrystalDiskMark with several passes in both setups to test and check for reasonable use cases. I also was already running the machines in different ways to be similar to daily use so I could give a fair test. The results are surprising.
There are obviously a lot of different heatsink designs out there. Neither of the drives I tested had them built onto the drive, instead I'm relying on the motherboard heatsinks and those vary wildly. But it's still an interesting test.
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Obviously there are some caveats to these tests. The results will vary from system to system, depending on how many fans you have, the quality of your motherboard, your environmental temps and the generation of drive you're using.
Both the Crucial P5 Plus and WD_Black SN850 are PCIe gen 4 drives, running on Intel Z790 systems at x4 PCIe lanes. The motherboards are decent and have good heatsinks too. Older gen drives might not run as hot. Drives installed at the bottom of the motherboard, closer to the case fans might not be as hot.
Hardware used in these tests:
Machine 1 (Crucial P5 Plus)
Lian Li Lancool 216 RGB • Lian Li Lancool 216 RG...
Motherboard - Gigabyte Aorus Z790 Elite AX • Gigabyte Z790 Elite AX...
CPU - Intel Core i5-13600K
RAM - 32GB Kingston Fury Beast DDR5 6000Mhz RAM
PSU - NZXT C1200 Gold • NZXT C1200 Gold ATX 3....
GPU - Gigabyte RTX 4070 TI 12G OC • Gigabyte RTX 4070 Ti 1...
AIO - Corsair H150i Elite LCD • Corsair H150i Elite LC...
RGB - Lian Li Strimer V2 Plus 600 watt 12VHPWR RGB cables • Lian Li Strimer V2 Plu...
Lian Li Strimer Plus V2 • Lian Li Strimer Plus V...
NVMe - Crucial P5 Plus
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Machine 2 (WD_Black SN850)
Asus ROG STRIX Z790-A GAMING WIFI D4 motherboard ( • Asus ROG STRIX Z790-A ... )
Intel Core i9-13900K CPU
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Lian Li Dynamic Evo ( • I made some mistakes w... )
Corsair HX1500i PSU ( • Corsair HX1500i instal... )
NZXT Kraken Z73 ( • NZXT Kraken Z73 RGB In... )
Lian Li SL120 V2 fans ( • Lian Li SL120 V2 fans ... )
Asus Strix RTX 4090 white edition
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@jouniosmala9921 Жыл бұрын
Lower slots typically come through chipset and share bandwidth with other periphelias and are slower. So the top most slot is the one you should use unless you know that using bottom-slot doesn't hurt performance.
@TheProvokedPrawn Жыл бұрын
That is true.
@Cuhbs Жыл бұрын
saw you had the same motherboard for the first part and great to see the heatsink on it works really well
@glakoblako Жыл бұрын
Nice vid Dr. Prawn informative as always.
@TheProvokedPrawn Жыл бұрын
Thank you kindly!
@MrVoayer Жыл бұрын
Important illustration of the function and purpose of heatsinks !!!
@terrimalia7214 Ай бұрын
I don't think the average user's temperature, heat sinks or not, will get anywhere near the temps you're showing - as long as they have sufficient cooling to begin with and the fans are not blocked. Thanks for the video.
@daviddesrosiers1946 Жыл бұрын
Gives you a little bit of an idea of what kind of heat is being generated right at the transistors. You can kind of visualize the temperature gradient through the heatsink.
@Pertamax7-HD 8 ай бұрын
nice detail sir
@TheProvokedPrawn 8 ай бұрын
Thanks
@PeterHarford 6 ай бұрын
Very Informative, my Samsung 970EvoPlus runs at about 54deg using your Methodology on Asus Mbd heatsink.
@bigpappa_ 7 ай бұрын
Great video thanks for the info.
@TheProvokedPrawn 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching
@MarkJacksonGaming Жыл бұрын
-- They make a HUGE difference. I run passive heat sinks on Samsung 990 pro 2tb NVME drives. I have Acdale sinks, under constant tests with disk mark, I can't the drives over 39c. They run gen 4, Glid .5/1.0mm pads where relevant, thermal grizzly between the sync and the spreader. Also did tests first with labels on and labels off the drive. That saved me about 1c.
@CristianCiupitu Жыл бұрын
I think you meant Acidalie.
@Liedral 11 ай бұрын
Oh, lucky... just as I start searching for NVMe heatsinks, this video comes up and the motherboard you're using is the one I have.
@TheProvokedPrawn 11 ай бұрын
Nice
@andrewphoto4750 Жыл бұрын
perfect timing tbh i have 1 heatsink wd drive so i had to take of my mobo heasink shield that COVERED 3 slots the other 2 are free
@larsjrgensen5975 Жыл бұрын
The temperature gun at 30cm away from target measures a circle of 5-10cm diameter depending on model, so you are not measuring the SSD alone.
@TheProvokedPrawn Жыл бұрын
Tbh the internal sensor temps are a better measure of what I'm showing anyway but thanks for the input.
@Sleepy.Time. Жыл бұрын
it would be good to list the ambient room temperature you are doing the tests in..i got annoyed with Jay's2cents when he was doing a AIO review and going on about how great it kept the temps when i noticed on his digital thermometer that he had his room cooled down to 18c so of course he had better than expected results to make his sponsor happy
@TheProvokedPrawn Жыл бұрын
That is fair. There are obviously a lot of variables that could impact it which is why I did two passes. Also I live in England, so it's always cold, but it's still a significant difference. Worth testing your own system if in doubt :)
@westfield90 2 ай бұрын
I just upgraded my 3 year old 500gb Nvme with a WD 2tb Nvme. I cloned the drive and instantly windows was freezing and random blue screens. I reformatted and cloned again and same results. Put the old one back and it works perfectly. So I’ve ordered a heat sink for the new one and hopefully that will solve this issue.
@Beforedeth 7 ай бұрын
From my research the best method is leaving just the pad on the controller taking it off the nands and using the pieces u remove to put under the controller to the MB the nand need a high temp and the controller needs to be as cool as possible for longevity.
@swizzler8053 Жыл бұрын
A heatsink is very necessary with a pci gen 5 nvme. Keep up the great work and stay safe.
@TheProvokedPrawn Жыл бұрын
Yeah I've got a gen 5 drive for testing but I'm not allowed to show that yet. I'll be revisiting this when I can!
@swizzler8053 Жыл бұрын
@@TheProvokedPrawn which one? The corsair one?
@amateurwizard Жыл бұрын
--READ ME-- What you're seeing is the controller thermal throttling. Flash will perform better under higher temperatures. If you cool the controller and not the flash you will get better performance. However to prevent bit rot you should keep the flash cool when not under heavy load.
@markotto1767 7 ай бұрын
perfect video. thank you. i always had doubts about motherboard thermal pads cause they are not very thikness and i thought they do the opposite job, but your test demonstrate they are good. is it unsafe to remove motherboard thermal pads when changing ssd ? Is there a risk to damage the chip ?
@TheProvokedPrawn 7 ай бұрын
That I don't know but I don't think it's a problem
@gloriclyoko Жыл бұрын
Very helpful video as always! Packed with content. Thank you, Provoked Prawn. One quick follow-up question: when ssd come preinstalled with a heatsink but is removable, such as WD sn850x. Would you opt for the heatsink from the ssd or the one from the board? Thanks
@TheProvokedPrawn Жыл бұрын
The SSD one personally. Though I'm going to test that soon too.
@gloriclyoko Жыл бұрын
@@TheProvokedPrawn thank you for your insights!
@Pegaroo_ Жыл бұрын
The heatsink that comes on the WD850X has thermal pads covering some chips but not others, do we know what chips they don't want to cool and why? And should we / is it worth trying to do the same with other ssds like the 990 Pro for example? or just cool it all?
@Pegaroo_ Жыл бұрын
@@simontemplar8719 comments aren't displayed in the same order for everyone
@soynatrian Жыл бұрын
I like pcmr science, good video
@TheProvokedPrawn Жыл бұрын
Thanks Sebastian
@mb-electricalservices Жыл бұрын
How about doing a video on how to get that Corsair AIO display to actually work and not show a red triangle all the time regardless of how many rimes you treble check your wiring, uninstall and wipe all traces of the software from your pc etc etc......that would be lovely...👍 Other than that rant, love your content.....that voice of yours is something special. 👌
@TheProvokedPrawn Жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear you've been having trouble. I'd recommend uninstalling iCue completely and downloading the latest version then check for firmware updates for the Commander Core
@mb-electricalservices Жыл бұрын
@@TheProvokedPrawn It's ok bud. Just a little rant really. When you invest thousands into a new rig and such a simple but handy thing doesn't work, it kind of upsets you a wee bit. I'll do as you suggest. Thanks for responding. 👍 Mike.
@negOshEAte Жыл бұрын
That’s how mine display is when the PC is off with the power plugged in
@techluvin7691 6 ай бұрын
In general, they don’t cool the Nvme drives………but cool the controller only with a copper shim and now you’re making a difference. The motherboard heatsinks are a little better because of the increased surface area. You might want to get a little closer with your thermal gun to get an accurate reading of the entire drive.
@Adi_vk 4 ай бұрын
is heatsink is also necessary with laptop motherboard ?
@tanmayhembram9249 7 ай бұрын
perfect wanted to see a ssd for temps due to heat sink also a drive without heat sink.
@JB-ue6lf 5 ай бұрын
What if you're only playing games and occasionally surfing the web like KZfaq? I want to buy a new ssd, but not sure if i should go with the one without the heatsink and save a few bucks. Ive heard contradictory things.
@johnpaulbacon8320 Жыл бұрын
Interesting
@JordanG2024 Жыл бұрын
Can you use a M.2 NVMe that has a heatsink with a motherboard heatsink?
@TheProvokedPrawn Жыл бұрын
you can't usually use both. If the NVMe has the heatsink already installed, then rely on that because it's probably superior to the motherboard one.
@MrKZdemos Жыл бұрын
sir how did u make your task manager black?
@TheProvokedPrawn Жыл бұрын
Windows 11 lets you do it.
@codelinx 10 ай бұрын
I watched another video that stated that cooling the controller and not the nand helps more than cooling the whole nvme ....
@MrKZdemos Жыл бұрын
all of sudden my waterblock doesnt seem to crazy
@TheProvokedPrawn Жыл бұрын
haha.
@martinarscott3524 Жыл бұрын
I've just ordered a Gen4 drive but my motherboard only supports Gen3 so the drive will be running much slower than its max speed (it was the cheaper option surprisingly), should I still use a heatsink? thanks
@TheProvokedPrawn Жыл бұрын
Yes
@vinland98trance 11 ай бұрын
After I watched this video, I tested my PCI 3.0 Samsung 960 EVO 250GB with Crystalmark. I dont have a heatsink on it. The temp quickly got to 68 degrees on the NAND and 90 degrees celcius on the controller. Didnt think a PCI 3.0 drive would get that hot...the speed is about 3500/1500
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