that face Eren did wasn't that of a scared person, more like a mad person...

You don't have to explain a time paradox as if Attack on Titan invented it 🤦. Out of content already?

Dr Manhattan "We're all puppets. I'm just a puppet who can see the strings."

It really is, creating this video was a MAJOR bitch just because I has to rewatch certain episodes from Season 1, which I've seen so many times. It also required MANY re-writes, many corrections, many considerations, and a lot of re-recording.

@@SeaTactics The reason I Think eren was always angry and Savage as a kid is because he was a slave to wanting freedom Just how Ymir was a slave to not having freedom. They are similar in that aspect 🤯🤯

@@SeaTactics you mad me yell bro I was shock when you explain to me that older eren was always in the show from the very beginning hiding in all season 1 episodes 🤯 could that be the eren we are seeing now with zeke in the paths in season 4? If this is true then that means when we were watching season 1 the older eren hiding in the back in some episodes was when zeke and eren are in paths traveling in season 4 is what we seeing now 🤯🤯🤯

@@SeaTactics and that’s eren we seeing has to be manga eren telling anime eren to fix the future

It coulda easily gone off the rails but gotdang I love this story. There's a few more wild moments to look forward to

This needs more likes!

@@RanDoM5469 haha thank you. It actually gets explained almost exactly like this in the latest episode after Zeke and Eren exit their father's memories. Really really great storytelling from Isayama

I'm an anime only guy and my prediction for the ending is no one will inherit the founding or attack titans powers and eren will die it makes 0 sense that someone who inherited power from eating eren wouldn't step in and stop him in the past from doing this

Headcannon.

That’s the problem for me. How was Eren ablo to influence them the very FIRST time ? I get that once the time loop is formed, once Eren touche Sieg, he can influence the past shifters endlessy but before it was formed, in the very FIRST timeline, how was able to do it ? Because in the FIRST timeline (where EREN isn’t born yet and can’t influence them because there is no timeline before that), all the events naturally lead to Sieg catching Eren’s head. So the previous attack Titan holders didn’t needed Eren to make the good choices. For example, in the very first time line, Grisha killed Frieda and most of her fam without Eren’s help because Eren didn’t possessed the attack Titan yet so Grisha didn’t need once the time paradoxe is formed since he already made the right choice the first time. You get what it ? It’s just like when Ymir created the Attack Titan, Eren was already able to influenced the first holder even tho in the first timeline, before the time loop was formed, he wasn’t even born and that is straight up bs to me.

Correct

that begs the question, why does Grisha mention seeing Eren memory of whats to come next? The one he describes as "terrible", when Eren isnt even at that point of time? So maybe Eren could select certain memories to send back but Grisha could also randomly receive memories of the future not sent by Eren.

As a manga reader you are correct

I was thinking about this too, but it doesn't make sense because if that's the attack titan's true ability then who sent the last eren (the one furthest in the timeline) the memories of himself telling his dad to kill the reiss family? That's why it's a paradox. I think the last incarnation of eren frabricated this whole story and possibly even more stories in other "timelines" to see how every possibly scenario would end (like doctor strange from infinity war) and then since the rumbling and him dying was the only to have a peaceful life after war he frabricated this whole story of our "timeline" by using the founding titan's ability. Because remember the founding titan can alter eldians' memories except ackermans. So I propose the last incarnation of eren somehow did end up having all three scenarios where he had the attack titan, founding titan and a person of royal blood BUT it turned out different for HIS "timeline". Perhaps things didn't go the way he wanted it to and so after looking back in hindsight like armin always says he frabricated his own little story of where everything went perfect even if it meant killing himself and billions of people. THAT is my hypothesis let me know what you think

All to save mikasa, armin and "everybody else"

I'm guessing he showed zeke to grisha so zeke can stop hating grisha for no reason so he can help eren later down the line.

It could have simply been a manipulation tactic to break Zeke's resolve. I wouldn't say that it's clear allowing father and son to embrace was a wholly benevolent one. We may find out next episode

The fact these discussions get evoked is why I love this show

Allowing Grisha to give Zeke this therapeutic catharsis was a strategic victory for Eren. He understood Zeke very well psychologically. Eren knew that Zeke's whole motivation for getting this far in his project was because of his father issues. Eren said as much in the episode. By allowing this catharsis, Zeke loses the bulk of his motivation for going through with his euthanization plan. Without his resentment for his father, Zeke has lost his engine and now needs to reconsider what sort of person he's going to be. In the world of personal development, Zeke has had a breakthrough victorywith his psychological issues. He is now a more complete person having been given a second chance to reach an understanding with his father; to hear those magic words, "son, I love you because you're my son." But in the world of AoT, this is a loss in the game against Eren.

Yes! The silver lining. Eren was able to give them a sense of closure and give them, that moment as father and son.

I don’t think this is the case. There’s no indication that Eren knows anything about the past users (past Kruger). He saw his dads memories and that’s it. The more interesting case is what future he saw, if he saw any of it. Because while technically he saw himself in the future after kissing historia, they were still Grishas memories from the past. So you have to wonder whether Eren saw future Attack Titan memories or not.

It's kind of unlikely since Eren still showcases both surprise and a necessity for strategic thought like with Warhammer Titan battle that he has all of his memories. He does, however, know aspects of the future due to gaining all of Grisha's memories, including ones he sent. As an aside, it's difficult to be certain when Ymir's powers split into the Nine, but her daughters and possibly grandchildren likely had more than 1 shifter power per person in effect.

So... Eren can or cannot see his memories from his own future? If he saw the future through his father's momeries than None of the Attack Titans ever had the power to directly see the future, only the past just like the other 8 titans.

@@lauxLM It's more that I believe that due to becoming the coordinate, Eren has better control over the power of the titans and the paths itself than just using powers on their own, when he kissed Historia's hand he saw what the future his future self; the one who freed Ymir from her self-imposed servitude; needed him to see, just like he did with Grisha to make sure everything goes the way he wants it to so that he can make sure his goals are accomplished. All I'm saying is that if he's was capable of doing that, who's to say that he didn't show the other past inheritors' something here and there to make sure they go were they needed to go for his future to be guaranteed . And yes, while we didn't see him do this in the manga or anime, it's very probable when you consider that after he transforms, we don't see him again until after he makes landfall in Marley, meaning he had a lot of time in the paths to learn how to use all of his abilities as the new coordinate and then some.

It was mentioned now in the final chapter in the anime that Eren saw the outcome of the Rumbling when he kissed Historia's hand.

Don’t even trip about em bro , someone is always gonna hate on something when they haven’t put the time in for a video . If they put time into something and had it ridiculed they would feel as if all their efforts weren’t appreciated it . Keep up the great work man 💯

And i just subscribed

no hate but around 2:36 you say years later after his first transformation, this is incorrect because in the anime it was about 1-3 months after the battle of Trost

Make a better video then There's no sympathy on the internet

It’s been two years now maybe remaking this video with the ideas everyone has shared as well as the show being over could be interesting i know i would like to watch it.

that doesnt make sense. by your logic he shouldnt be able to see what he was about to do in the future when kissing Historias hand..

@@noztk Not really. The Attack Titan can see memories of future self, sure. But all of the nine Titans are able to see memories of their past users. Eren saw what he was able to do NOT from his own future memories but from Grisha's memories. Having the Founding Titan with him at that time along with kissing a Royal blood just probably triggered a more vivid view of those memories instead of just glimpses, along with the realization that he could not see memories of future users. He basically put two and two together. Seeing himself in Grisha's memories and the fact that there are no memories of future memories told him what he was able to do.

he was able to see his own memories from his future self we he gained the founders power

So what's the point of manipulating Grisha through his memories to kill the Reiss family and steal the FT if it was going to happen anyways?

Hey, can you explain why attack titan always ends up falling inline with the future it foresaw. I totally cant get that. Lets just imagine that after Grisha get's AT power from Kruger, he Kills himself on the spot. it literally could have happend and Eren will never be born. AOT universe cant be deterministic, because every attack titan shifter could have done something to prevent future that they saw. Even Grisha had plenty of opportunities to not giving his power to Eren. He could do what ever he want but not giving his power to Eren. This is real possibility and if it have happend Eren would never get titan power and that's it, future and past has been changed. So paradox created and universe collapses. I'm trying to say that IF YOU KNOW THE FUTURE YOU 100% CAN PREVENT THAT. Its fine that it Aot story everything goes as Eren wants, but what would have happend if something went wrong and Eren didt get to the points points where he was showing his memories to previous AT shifters. There is a big hole in aot universe and if you go one step aside everything dies. I might be wrong at something, but for now I feel like AOT universe is literally broken.

​@@bksher6463 Grisha chose to give Eren the Titan Serum because he wanted Eren to avenge Carla, furthermore, Grisha saw a 100% accurate vision of the future, it is impossible for him to change that future because it is Eren directly sharing those memories with him, Eren isn't showing Grisha a possible future, he is showing him the only future, because that future already exists in Eren's memory, and because he shared that memory with Grisha, that means that Grisha will go through with Eren's plan regardless of whether he wishes to or not, this is because in a Deterministic Universe, everything has been set in stone from the beginning, Free Will does not exist in a Deterministic Universe because your actions have already been made for you long before you were born Grisha was always going to go along with Eren's plan for the future because he never had a choice from the beginning, he saw a future where he killed the Reiss Family, hesitated because he knew it was wrong, but he went through with it anyway because that was the future that Eren had already showed him, Grisha did not want to kill the Reiss Family, but he did it anyway because he knew with 100% Accuracy that he was in fact going to kill them regardless of whether he wanted to or not, even his hesitation was already predetermined The Attack Titan's Power doesn't cause a Time Paradox because none of the Attack Titans ever had any choice to prevent the Future that Eren showed them, even if they tried to prevent it using what limited knowledge they had, any action they would have taken would only cause the Future Eren showed them, their actions were already in line with the Future because it was by seeing the Future and trying to act upon it that they directly or indirectly caused it, same with Grisha, he knew that what Eren was going to do was wrong, but he gave Eren the Attack and Founding Titans anyway because he already knew that Eren was going to have those Titans, and he knew that no matter what he did he could not have changed that, because Eren was the one who showed him those memories, therefore Grisha's choice was predetermined

@@Aya..19 Don't overthink it. Everything including Eren sending memories to the past was always going to happen. Eren was always going to manipulate Grisha, the Rumbling was always going to happen so on and so forth. Eren did it because he knew it had to happen. Think of it like this: AOT timeline is like a road and no matter how many side streets or separate paths there are, they all lead to the same outcome. Eren can see that road and knows he has to follow it and also because of how Eren is as a character, wants to follow it.

@@bksher6463 It's impossoble to prevent it because it's destiny and it takes your decisions into account. Eren tries to prevent his interaction with Ramzi, but fails because he doesn't have the will to resist. If you try to change the future unforseen factors will push you back in line.

its not the attack titans power rather the foundings power of intefering with the memories of eldians

@@FunY_T yeah, the attack titan's power is to share memories, but the founding power allows him to interfere through them

That's a good point, note taken.

And even tho it was them, Eren was already an adulte when he was in Sieg’s memories so it can’t be him at this moment. Spoil : However, later in the story, it’s very possible that Eren just visit his own story because we saw him as a kid watching the whole world.

Makes sense but what if zeke didn’t only show eren grisha’s life but also eren’s to show him that his actions were all because of his father’s manipulation

Finally someone that pays attention 👏

@@ezrawilliams3148 That never happened

This is what I had trouble explaining in the video, because like you say it's so confusing. Though, do we have it confirmed that's not Eren? I've always thought that's Eren, since he appears in all of those scenes and looks *very* similar. I also think there is room for change since 2013 to 2022 is nearly a decade, so maybe Isayama and the crew at MAPPA/WIT decided to change it up for the final design? Otherwise, I am in agreement with your explanation, you put it into words much better. (This video was re-written dozens of times, the video was re-edited four times total because it was so difficult to explain it as simply as I possibly could.)

@@SeaTactics I don’t believe it’s officially confirmed to not be Eren, but I think a pretty general consensus is that it’s not him, at least from what I’ve heard. I don’t know if the same person is there in the manga since I didn’t read it but it is possible that WIT made that change during production of season 1 intentionally. I’m guessing we may never know if it’s supposed to be Eren though. Great video though, I think it makes things a lot easier to understand, even for those who read the manga as it seems it was just as confusing there.

Great explanation. I get it technically isn’t time travel and just memory travel basically (back and forth). So what I’m trying to figure out is how exactly did Eren tell his dad those words at that moment? That’s where I’m confused.

@@SeaTactics This could be Eren, as we may seen the story form grown up Eren eyes, but no time travel include

@@SeaTactics nope it's not eren, it is litteraky proven that it isn't him because it's not actually possible. He isn't physically time travelling he's going through grishas memories with the power of the founding titan. He told grisha to kill the reiss family by using the attack titans ability so grisha saw erens perspective. The scenes you showed with people that looked like eren couldn't have been him because the story isn't told through his perspective and grisha was in meither of those scenes because he was dead. Zeker and eren were going through grishas memories so your theory can't be correct.

That's actually super cool, wtf

I'll assume you either read the manga or are watching the anime(i'm anime only), when pieck leads eren to the roof of that castle, porco transforms and eats both his legs, and yet eren still transforms. Also, iirc in season 1 hange puts erens ability to the test and its revealed that he can transform about 3 times before he gets completely exhausted. My theory is that one of the attack titans abilities is that they require little energy to transform into, and that with enough training the shifter can transform even if he is wounded. This makes sense given the 4 year time skip where eren learned to control his powers much better and with the whole fighting for freedom and always pushing forward idea

He literally saw the future when he kissed historias hand

@@shifugamez.official he saw the future through grishas memories

@@shifugamez.official Literally because of Grisha

U can believe what u want but as a manga reader, AND as someone who knows how to pay attention ur wrong

@@shifugamez.official bruh I hope you’re joking 😭😭

Interesting point you bring up there, I hope we get confirmation one way or another from Isayama (if we haven't already).

@@SeaTactics I don't think any of those guys you point out could be Eren, since the whole memory thing isn't them literally traveling back in time to the real events, just watching a recreation of it through memories.

@@SeaTactics Nama is probably right about Eren choosing not to show everything, because if he did show him everything, including Carla getting eaten by Dina, there's no way in hell Grisha would have gone through with it.

Can confirm Grisha didnt know everything because eren didnt show it too him hence why grisha was pleading to be showed more. The attack titan cant simply see memories from the future but rather send its memories back to previous users.

yah if Erin showed Grisha everything (his wife's death especially) he might not go through with the plan. But the fact that Eren can selectively show visions of the future like this is odd, does the Attack Titan power only revealed/used through the future version of himself? Also, it reminds me of the Netflix series Dark, which uses extensive time travel, on whatever action you do to prevent the future was actually exactly what was suppose to happen.

older Eren was not just around. that's no how any of this works. incredibly misleading by the creator of the video

Hope they don't rush it like isayama did in manga.

that makes a lot of sense. similar to the kinds will to renounce war. this is eren will to renounce freedom

Yup, that is the most likely explanation. However the ability works, Eren has the most control over it and used it the most thoroughly in history, possibly because of the Founding Titan power and the time he spent in the Paths with Zeke.

It's a possibility although it has never been confirmed in the show itself. However..(SPOILERS)! .... . . . . .. . . . . at chapter 139, eren revealed that (after gaining full control of the founding titan) he experiences time as non-liner. The past, present and future are all happening in his mind all at once. So there's really no distinctions about time as the founding titan really transcends time itself. And so it's really possible that he was able to somehow influence all AT users in the past. Although again this was never stated in the manga.

Hope you enjoy it! This video was REALLY hard to make, I went through like 4 versions, two just counting today.

@@SeaTactics damn! but yea the video was AMAZING, really cleared some things up for me, keep up the goat content!

for those who dont understand he is just saying the people in previous epsodes werent eren because eren adn zeke time travelled THROUGH grishas memories and since grisha wasnt at those places "eren" was then they cant be him because eren was only were grisha was.

I think we dont know anything at all. If you think about one timeline, it cant be right because every attack titan shifter cound have prevented future that they saw. But multytimeline universe is also not really a thing due to everyone saying that whole history is fixed and cant be changed. So idk what to think anymore. Last episode literally blowed and kill my mind.

future Eren (after season 4 ep4) could have travelled way back to 2000 years ago in the memory the first person who inherited attacked titan . He could have went way back to talk to founding titan . This theory opens some much more theory

thanks for this again, i’ve got to refresh my mind ☠️

Awesome, thank you! That means a lot to me, glad you enjoyed the video.

dude wtf are you even talking about, this story doesn't make sense, time travel is super retarded, it's shitty writing

At least so far, I agree.

This has always confused me the explanation is plot i guess

Yes, this is my final and most hated unknown about the whole story, to me this breaks the whole story. I've been trying to find an answer, I might read or watch the whole story again hopping to find an answer to this question because I haven't found a single person capable of answering it so far.

same@@Meianju

My thought is that because eren was always going to get the attack Titan, he was always going to obtain the founding. That’s how he was able to show grisha memories of the rumbling. The past didn’t change, he was always there to influence grisha because that event was always gonna happen. He saw when he kissed historia’s hand

Probably some bullshit about the founder existing in the past present and future simultaneously. The way I choose to look at it as that the paradox is resolved when the titan powers are eradicated in the ending and the timeline “anchors” itself in the present Not the best explanation but its all ive rlly got

no. they are not eren. they are random people. they were only in grishas memories. where grisha was eren was. since grisha wasnt in those scenes those people are not eren

Yes mate

If that's the case, then why would he limit himself to sending those memories to Attack Titan users only? Of course their choices will lead back to Eren, because he is the last in line.

His presence can't be metaphorical when we learned that future Eren is indeed the one who influenced most of the events in kid Eren's life. Without that influence, we wouldn't have the Eren that we have in this whole series. His presence in the present and flashbacks was as real as uu and me.

There are two potential explanations to it : 1) Eren mixes Attack Titan and Founding Titan powers, and his memories essentially also carry suggestions 2) This is the one I like more because manga implies it is true... Grisha is TERRIFIED of the last memories Eren shows him before he shows him Zeke, and that makes him ask Zeke to stop Eren... But later that same day, Grisha learns his wife died, and how. And from that point on he is no longer as opposed to the vision he has seen.

grisha did that because he had to. he will. he must. the future was already set that eren would cause the rumblging through grishas acts. whether grisha liked it or not he would have done it either ways because in the aot universe once the future is set the past cannot change. just like zeke said.

Hey, I also cant find the answer to this qustion. Literally every attack titan shifter could prevent future that they saw. And with all this Eren will never get his power. When you know the future you 100% can change that. And I feel like this is a plot hole if it wont be explained somehow. Until last series whole aot universe was complicated but fine. And now I feel like its broken. I'm really afraid of those time paradoxes and hope everything will be fine, cause I love aot so much

Future Eren sent only select memories to Grisha thanks to the Attack Titan's and Founding Titan's powers, which convinced him (or forced him to believe) that Eren will save Eldians. Also, Grisha regretted his manipulative parenting of Zeke, so he let Eren do whatever he wanted for a change. A father should respect and support his child's wishes, right? Why he asked Zeke to stop Eren? Well, humans are complicated and tend to contradict their choices and beliefs. He might support Eren to be a good father, and agree with Eren's plan deep down, while still disagreeing with the immorality of it at the same time.

maybe it goes for another episode cus since grisha is techincally being controlled by eren, he had no choice i think

In an abstract sense, yes, in a literal sense no. But rather his memories influenced certain events to happen, basically like a Steins:Gate situation with a couple less steps and a lot more tall people.

That's actually a really good point I didn't notice that!

I find that very unlikely. Eren only has grisha's memories, so the only way other weilders would see his own is passively, which could influence their actions, but not the way eren influenced grisha.

@@photonalchemist6574 Eren has full control of the Founding Titan when he starts The Rumbling, he can just go into the Paths whenever he likes, access the Memories of all Eldians, specifically the Attack Titans and then share his own Memories with them, and that can include the memories of any other Eldian as long as those Memories are what's necessary to manipulate Past Attack Titans, because he can experience those Memories as well In fact Eren is experiencing the Past, Present and Future all as one, and Time in the Paths means nothing