the moment you mentioned she could be the reincarnation of izanami the dumbest grin broke out on my face but in a way that makes a lot of sense with the game too. izanami is lie, marie is truth. she essentially died and was reborn as truth. a spiritual rebirth, or in other words, finding your true self.

I like to think that the reason for Marie's dungeon to have these mechanics is to have the players themselves give up on saving her. I mean, she probably knew the Investigation Team was going to try and save her but, she didn't want that. So she made the dungeon the way it is for that exact reason. Considering the fact people complain about the dungeon, it'd seem to work for a bit.

Despite what a lot of people say, I really like Marie. I can understand why she’s not very popular, though, considering her usual personality. However, I quite like her snark, some of which is intentional and other instances being due to obliviousness, and, even if they’re very overdramatic, I enjoy her poems. Granted, I’m a person who enjoys writing and being over dramatic, so that’s probably the reason why I like them.

Oh I've been waiting for this one! And I have *SO* much to say about her. Marie's first poem at the start of her social link sets the tone for who she is as a person. She says that she feels lost like the leaves flying through the air, only to deny that she was making up a poem in the first place. That's because if she didn't deny it, she would have to admit that she feels lost and she frequently avoids/denies her negative emotions by trying to act unconcerned, changing the subject away from ones that bother her, saying there is no truth to be found and acting as if she's not trying to put her thoughts into words with her poems. This method of avoidance only works for so long, and her supressed fears push back against her and she has a breakdown, and the game calls her emotion 'heart rending'. Despite trying so hard to avoid talking about her fears, it's only by admitting to her deepest worries that she realizes that she's been making memories the whole time she's been exploring Inaba. And through those memories she can create a sense of self to call her own that isn't borrowed. And if you romance her, she admits that in her anxiety she took out her frustration on the player and apologizes for it. Taking out her frustration on someone else isn't nice, but a very flawed and human thing to do. And if you check on her in the velvet room after her social link is completed she will state that she's okay without her old memories, and her new ones with you are more important. She's made a conscious choice to walk forward instead of worrying over the past she might never get back. Marie might be accidentally rude to the investigation team, yet she doesn't hate them. She cites that they're having fun and she wants to be like them which implied to me that she looks up to them on some level and they're responsible for her being willing to start looking for the truth of her past. But after December the memories of her assigned purpose are restored to her, and Marie realizes that she's a clear danger to everything around her. So she leaves without telling anyone why, and the second half of her character arc starts. To sum up that second half of her character arc, Rise says "No matter how painful things may be, you can't ignore it and hope it goes away. You have to face it with your friends and get past it." She has to open up to others fully and rely on the help of the investigation team to survive. There's also some angst potential here when she leaves. If you do romance her, Marie gives what she feels will be her first and last 'I love you' to someone she thinks she'll never see again, and will forget she ever existed when she dies. (On a side note, I've heard of Kasumi-no-Okami being translated to 'goddess of filth' from a tumblr blog years ago. But that blog is gone so I can't do more to confirm that translation) Lastly, I love the Lore reveal that Marie was split from Izanami. It reminds me a LOT of the goddesses of Chaos and Order, Yune and Ashera from Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn which makes it easier for me to understand. And I find it fascinating to think of how a goddess was torn in two by mankind's collective desire for unwholesome things. Like Namatame knowing his affair was wrong, but he went ahead with it anyway. Or the true killers lust for his victims, or even Yosuke's misguided desire to kill Namatame. It also gives a bit more nuance to Iznami's view of humanity, as Marie is the part that cared for humanity's wellbeing and that aspect is on display when Marie tries to take care of the fog on her own. Even without her true memories she's still acting with humanity's wellbeing in mind. And once you've beaten Izanami, Marie is restored to her full self and the game has gone from trying to discover a killer's identity to helping a goddess recover their original self. And as you can see in the final image of the Investigation Team and Marie, she just wants to be included as part of the group despite knowing her divine nature. I find that idea of a goddess living happily beside a group of human friends to be far more interesting than the overused trope of 'gods see humans as nothing but trash to be disposed of, and humans will thrive once they kill off said gods'. Lastly, seeing Marie in the golden epilogue shows the final piece of her character arc. She's gone from thinking 'there's no real truth to find, so don't bother looking' to encouraging the people that are listening to her weather reports to put more effort into their day. And I think that's icing on the top of a fantastic character arc.

Kusumi-no-Okami also has the best version of "I'll face myself"

Me before watching this: god I love Marie. After watching this: *cries* SO MUCH EMOTIONS I FEEEEEEELLLL

If only Marie is not just an "added character" and actually appears on the vanilla game, I bet we will avoid the war among the fandom and she will be loved by the majority

Thank you so much for your analyses, this has been the most confounding part of P4G for me for a while. Marie as the Aeon may also be a physical personification of what the Investigation team is currently perceiving as "truth," that evolves over time as the truth's many layers get peeled back. I dunno, it was my thought.

This is the best analysis that I´ve seen so far about Marie´s character. I think that she´s a misunderstood character and even if there are some flaws in the writing her attitude and personality makes sense. People hate her for being a tsundere, rude and they even call her a Mary Sue (they haven´t understood what a Mary Sue is) but she has her reasons for being like that. She has depression, is alone, with no identity, she isn´t human and doesn´t understands our world... she reacts in an agressive way in defense. And being tsundere towards your ex-husband? totally legit xD. About the poems, they are awful but she isn´t human, there is no poetry lessons in the TV world she only express her feelings and with that she give us some hints of her true identity specially with the Fallen Angel poem. I love her, we could say that finishing her SL is like to see Izanagi and Izanami in good terms once again. By the way.. it´s me or her desing looks like Nana? (from a manga with the same name) she could be her twin.

I love Marie but I started with golden so she has always been apart of the game for me.

ah yes, Marie, possibly my absolute favorite character from the game, from the look to the character arc to the everything it's just perfect, and your analysis definitely did the character justice and the part about how Marie could be interpreted as THE Shin Megami Tensei was something that I'd never even thought about, anyways greatjobamazingvideoIloveyoupleasantperson :-)

15:51 In SMT games demons are born from human desire so, in a way, they are also born from the minds of people just like in Persona, just not exactly in the subconscious. There is a lot of evidence of this like some characters mentioning it and the fact that in older games you needed magnetite (which is the byproduct of human desire as far as I remember) to keep your demons summoned in the real world. So in the end what you're talking about is actually pretty consistent in Megaten games since the first SMT.

Hey Hiding, Just wanna tell you how much I’ve appreciated these analysis videos. Recently finished my play through of P4G and your videos are really connecting me to the story and it’s characters. I look forward every week to one of these. Keep up the good work man!

I started with P4G so I’ve always been intrigued by Marie.

I love Marie. I really wish that fans *_(and_* Atlus) stopped treating her like her character never progressed past the literal first time you meet her when she returns something you dropped. (Though that problem isn't *exclusive* to Marie) When I got to her song in Dancing All Night, it made me so happy seeing her return with such a big smile as she danced her heart out; that's something "start-of-P4G" Marie never would've done.

I for one actually really liked Marie, my blind playthrough was Golden so she was in already, I went for her romance route cause she had a style closest to my type and her character fell close to home at the time and i genuinely enjoyed her scenes in the game. You can imagine how excited and moved i was when i saw she has an entire dungeon dedicated to her at the end, and while the dungeon itself was not very good lets be honest, the story points in it along with the haunting theme that causes my eyes to immediately tear up a bit even today was the emotional highlight of the game for me.

I was 2 years too late, but I'm so glad this video got recommended. Thank you, Hiding in Private. This video is amazing. Thank you

That’s so cool, I always knew there bas something behind her but never completely understood it

I didn't used to like p4 ALOT till you showed up and started explaining the subtle details and I couldn't be any more grateful

Love your analysis. Keep up the good work. Cant wait to catch up on all of these. Maybe P3 Social Links will happen at some point.

Maybe I’m biased because I experienced Persona 4G before Persona 4 (& I found her annoying aspects funny rather than insufferable) - but I always liked Marie. I found her amnesia storyline rlly interesting & showing her the world throughout her social link made me quite fond of her. Her design in the Hollow Forest is also beautiful and I thought it presented a rlly interesting question to the protagonist about whether it would be selfish to save her. This vid def showed me deeper parts of her character that I hadn’t considered before, what a great analysis! I look forward to watching ur other videos on P4!!!! :)))

Awesome analysis as always! Marie is one of my favourite Persona characters , so I really enjoyed this deep dive into what might be her real-world inspiration(s). Hope you're doing well and looking forward to the next entry in the series! ^^

Thank you again for the great video! This video made me appreciate Marie's design choices much more. The lock choker is present in all her forms until the timeskip, showing how she isn't restraining herself anymore. How she is hiding her face under the hat, then a hood and after the timeskip she isn't hiding her face anymore, and is instead framing her face with glasses and is viewed by people watching TV. Very much visual character development. I didn't even know Marie was hated in the fandom until I was cosplaying her at a con. Someone came to ask me for a picture and said he hadn't seen anyone ever cosplay her. This video made me understand that ah yes, maybe it's because of her dungeon, because the response to Persona 5 Royals Yoshisawa was so different? Or maybe because she reminds the player ever so vaguely like you mentioned that they are playing a video game and people hate when someone breaks the immersion? I've only interacted with the Japanese fandom so I can only make these guesses as even the most hard core and violent tsundere's are loved (Asuka and Taiga).

Thanks for the video, Hiding.

I've been looking forward to this one!

Thanks for the video!

I love watching your watching your video's. Every time I watch them it resonates with me with how you go in depth about each characters details about their story. It makes me feel more comfortable with my own insecurities and worries. Makes feel like I'm heard or not alone in this world we live in.

Another great P4 analysis!

I normally don’t comment, and I doubt you’ll see this since this video isn’t brand new, but I wanted to express how much I appreciate your writing in this video. You’re not the biggest fan of Marie from the sounds of it, but you don’t let that dictate the tone of your analysis. This video makes Marie feel like a valuable addition to P4G with how you describe her struggles and background rather than a dispensable piece of the narrative. Can’t wait to see more of these analysis videos in the future. 😇🙏

Steeeeaaaaak!

I like Marie overall. Her arc got really good as it went along and I appreciated the element it added to things with Izanami. I get what people have issue with and I am glad they learned how to more smoothly integrate additional characters into the story in P5R. But, she was a nice addition to Golden and I'm glad she's there.

Marie is one of the best characters in Persona-- her teenage angst & poetry is wonderfully amusing, especially the way she rages at Yu for making her feel vulnerable. 10/10, would waifu again!

Nice Work!

We all know that Marie has the best character arc, she finally grows out of her edgy phase!

wait, people don't like Marie? she's like my favorite character

this is, personal, but i liked marie a lot because they reminded me of someone that matters a lot to me irl. they had issues with emotions for so long but as our relationship progressed one day they just... became Love

13:11 "And so, regardless if you are a man or god, do the sands of time grain down on us all..."

the clumsy way marie interacts with the world in her SL, her confusion & annoyance, and her still wanting to undestand things in spite of this annoyance was v relatable to me. I did find some of her poems a bit cringe, though some of them really did hit (the sea foam one specifically) and I liked all of them in the sense that you can tell she's using these poems to try and figure herself out. I didn't get too annoyed by the cringy aspects of her because _of course_ she's cringe, she's figuring out what she is.

I'm one of those people who don't like Marie, but it's mainly because of her attitude. I can see her character was carefully crafted in Golden and I do like it when my mystery game throws more convoluted mysteries at me. Her dungeon is beautiful (excluding the gimmick yikes) and her boss fight is really cool. It's always a treat to see you digging into characters with 200% effort, keep up.

The real Shin Megami Tensei was the friend(s) we made along the way.

17:42 Pack it in y’all, MegaTen’s over. Never gonna top this. Excellent work.

Thanks for this video. It's time for me to reinstall and finally finish the true ending

Marie is certainly one who grow on me throughout the game. I initially didnt like her cause of the Tsundere personality but going through her Social Link and see her struggle I start to really care for her and want to help. her poems while cringy do shine her more positive attributes and love of life. her inner conflict is well done and fits with Persona 4. aure may need some tweaking here and there but her positives, much like all of Persona 4, far outweigh the negatives for me. plus I like seeing epilogue Marie and being much more cheery. hell her dance in P4D is great to see cause she is more happy and enjoying the moment (until Margaret shows up lol).

Just finished P4G for the first time, I litteraly felt in love with Marie. Everyone just stops at the fact that she is way to much of a tsundere, and don't even look at everything else. I think that her character arc is the best in the game (along with Naoto), started from a "walking empty shell" and became a real person, filled with memories she created with the investigation team, and the MC, following the fact that: "People are made of memories". In the end I was surprised to see that she is Izanami, she was obviously someone important, but I didn't even thought about her being Izanami, probably I'm the only one that didn't see it coming, but I'm ok with that lmao. In the end, the fact that "Izanagi" and Izanami where reunited made me shed a tear. This game was a hell of a ride, but, compared to P5R, this is much better. After ending P5R I felt satisfied, but after P4G I felt happy, but empty, P4G has a hell of a cast, imo the best of the series. Idk if you will ever read this, since the video is a few months old, but thanks for your analysis of every single character, and for the 10 hours analysis, keep it up mate!

Yeah Marie my favorite otp for yu Rise is my second for yu

Wow I totally finished the video before it's been live for more then 6 minutes

I never realised that my favorites P4 Characters (Marie, Rise, Teddie and Kou) all relate to Identity, which makes sense for me

Marie is my favorite female character in all of Megaten honestly I genuinely love her so much

I just finished my first playthrough of Persona 4 Golden. I had no idea how much content I missed.

It's fun to watch even if I don't don't directly connect to anything in particular this time around

Since I began playing P3R, my KZfaq algorithm changed and brought me to your channel. Boy do I say, where have I been to miss this hidden gem. I played the vanilla version of P4, so in my POV, the addition of Marie felt like it was being forced on. And it didn't help as I played P4G, in her social link ventures we would be "conveniently" met our friends out of nowhere. It's like they tried so hard to include Marie with our friends so she would be relatable to them when it counted. Even in vanilla, the one who made the fog dissapeared was Ameno-sagiri upon defeated. In P4G they inserted a new role for that so Marie had a purpose story-wise. I don't dislike her, but her entire existence confuses me. What do you need for her when you could achieve more or less the same outcome with the existing characters? But, it helps when I change my mindset that P4 and P4G are two different games and should not be compared to. Anyway, your video is great, especially the analysis on Adachi. You really grasped his character well and broke it down to us in an easy and well-thought explanation. You've earned yourself a subscriber.

16:07 Persona 5 has really changed how I view the rest of the games in modern Persona. Like I view Tartarus and the TV World as self contained collective Palaces like Mementos and the fact that the gods really only have power because human cognition allows it.

I played the og p4 first so I've always felt Marie was out of place and she'd should've been part of a different game, but your video really puts how she helps the narrative into perspective.

I never would have guessed that Marie is based off an original god rather than a known one in Shintoism. As far as her character goes, I'd say I like her, just not as strongly as other members of the cast. She's got a pretty unique attitude and design compared to everyone else which I've always found enjoyable. She's really not even that mean or obnoxious as far as the tsundere stereotype goes because most of her rude moments come from a place of ignorance rather than malice. I pretty much knew most of what her purpose was in the story, but your analysis helped answer the remaining mysteries surrounding her for me. I didn't know that she was Izanami's ego! My only nitpick with Marie is that I have to listen to her poems whenever I just want to do some fusing! (At least Margaret gets a kick out of it lol) Great video Hiding! I'm looking forward to hearing what else you have to say about this game's characters and world!

Did..... Did you just talk me into liking Marie? I think you did mate 😂 this is excellent stuff here PLEASE don't stop these videos

Really nice video and makes me appreciate the effort they made towards Marie more. ...Though I admit, I still think a lot of it was poorly executed and I have a lot of issue with Marie's identity--not so much her personality, more her overly convoluted backstory and how I feel she hurts some of the game's themes by integrating into the world as a Magical Teen Goddess, when before the "Real World" was always supposed to be mundane and well...real...to separate it from the TV World. Not to mention her kinda...taking away your victory by doing something very similar to what Izanami wanted at the end. 15:36 After beating the final boss, Marie actually says that *she* is the real Izanami and the other Izanami was just an aspect of her that split off. The aspect that wanted to give humans what they wanted. This is why some of her poems profess an undying love for her husband, Izanagi.

the golden animation did alot of justice for her

i absolutely love marie to the point she's my favorite character in all the persona series

Marie my beloved

these vids really need to be pushed out more so here's my tribute for the algorithm

While her poems could be very cringing, they're what first drew me to her.

17:17 I am going to pretend I did not hear that pronunciation of Chu Chulain

Marie's the first I maxed out in my first playthrough

Thanks for this video!!! The hate for Marie makes me sad, it's like people overlook the grown in her character. Perhaps it has something to do with her overbearing personality, I thought tsunderes are fan favourite? They could've done better? Maybe. But in the end, she is likable, and that's enough. Marie is a character often misunderstood, and this video fundamentally shows why. Love her design btw

I like Marie, although I can understand why some people might not like her

Damn, that dungeon was painful. I love it.

I've always thought her 2nd phase looked like Corrin from fire emblem

the antique Comb is the final gift Izanami said to have gifted her before their separation…in Japan, gifting someone a Comb can be interpreted as telling them to go “suffer and die”.

20:28 I'm starting to think Marie may be inspired by/based on Mnemosyne, the Greek goddess of memory; a titaness, no less.

15:55 That's only kind of true and depends on if Persona 3, 4, and 5 are their own timeline. The original Trilogy of Persona titles take place in the same timeline as Shin Megami Tensei If and all of the Devil Summoner Titles take place in the same timeline as the female protagonist from IF ends up working as a Devil Summoner under a detective possesed by Kyouji Kuzunoha. On the other hand Persona 2 EP states that demons and Persona come for the same place.

I love Marie but if they ever do remake P4G i hope they include her hanging with the group like the P4G anime did. It really fleshed out her character and made her relationship with Yu and the gang feel so much more fulfilling. I liked how it added to her and fleshed out her fears and anxiety as the game unfortunately doesn't focus on her much unless you willingly do so, so most people think she's just the emo tsundere standing by the door and ignore her when there's so much more to her.

Why do people dislike her? She’s freaking amazing I played the og persona 4 then I bought golden I actually love her she’s directly tied to you and she gives you a reason to fight something other characters got and not generally your character. She’s a sweet romance once you get through her and her poetry is actually good if you read it.

I actually already liked Marie but with this I think I like her even more. She is the actual reincarnation of Izanami after she has been cleansed of her past.

Rise was my fav but Marie was my 2nd

I can totally see why people don't like Marie from a base-game perspective, mainly because they feel like she's tacked on there. Her story arc is nice, but that dungeon sure is brutal in comparison to the base game due to the gimmicks.

Marie aint my fave but honestly with ur explination i think i makes more sense now for her to be part of the game, still not my fave but good job making her for me like see her in a new way

I hated that you only get the one day to take on the dungeon not because it's unfair I just went in with a lot less sp item than i intended ( plus I play better with a don't think just try approach lol). Up until her fight it was hard but once you get to her she felt easy if you fought enough and collected those element resist destroying rocks. I just wish you got more time but all in all I like Marie's character and challenge.

I always liked Marie and and game feels incomplete without her, though my first experience with P4 was Golden so there might be some bias. The one thing I really don’t like is her plaid skirt. It is just too much next to the stripes. That being said, this was a great analysis into both her and her dungeon.

I've never minded Marie much in concept, it's just that in execution she's kinda tacked on (I started with Golden and could still pick up on when new scenes were added just from how starkly the writing style switches) and only really revolves around the MC. I appreciated the attempts at letting her branch out to be friends with the cast, but they were all surface level and kinda forced interactions, especially with characters like Kanji. Even in spin-offs she's kinda just into Yu and pretentious, and while that's cute I wish she had more... Actual characterization besides writing goofy poems.

Nice analysis on Marie's character 👍 I'm also one of the few who don't hate her as a character. I wasn't fan of her dungeon, but i do like her story arc and her relationship with Yu aka Main Protagonist is actually quite believable. Unfortunately, only issue i have with her is her bond with rest of the Investigation Team. It doesn't seem believable to me imo. She is her usual cold, standoffish self, yet they are fawning and wanting to befriend with her. She opens to MC the most compared to rest of the team. I can sort of understand people not liking her due to her "Tsundere persona" or that maxing her social link is requirement to unlock the best ending.

I remember being confused to learn people hated her. I mean I get it, her personally is kinda cliche and cartoonish, but she still has a lot of good qualities. I basically just see her as Inaba itself (or Yu's perception of Inaba) personified as some tsudere girl. Her social is you to going throughout the town and talking to various people important to the game after all, and in P4AU they do call her a local goddess. Plus her main power is over the weather which is a surprisingly important part of the game thanks to rain causing the midnight channel and the obvious fog. Really my most disliked part is just her poems, which for the most part I actually do like. They're not supposed to be big important things, they're just some girl's hobby, a hobby she enjoys and is always thinking of but still embarrassed by. The only think I really disliked about it was how slow they are to read and how it happens without asking just by entering the velvet room, which I do all the time. It quickly became a major pace breaker. Also that they for no reason come back in Persona Q. But yeah Marie's nice. She's far from one of my favorite characters in the game but I far from hate her, or her dungeon. Although I 100% understand the desire for Atlus to remake a game without feeling the need to add a new waifu that's super important to the story somehow despite the game originally being written without her. At least Marie comes with the little meta storytelling in how ignoring her social leads to everyone forgetting she ever existed, almost like you could play a whole version of this game that doesn't include her, hmmmm.

Do you want to go home? That question has annoyed me and I won't say why

Did the gods really can’t manifest by themselves in Persona universe? Isn’t Philmon and Nyratothep just messing around in Persona 2. (And Philemon also still appearing as save point in P3-P5)

So Spoilers for both P4G & P5R... In my Opinion, when it comes to New Content within the OG Persona 4 & Persona 5, I personally find that Marie was well & better added than "Kasumi" & Maruki (for him, it is in some Extent). Sure, both may have their Flaws but I find more Flaws with "Kasumi" than Marie when it comes to being a New Added Characters & Story. The Ones I point out the most are the Following: 1. When it comes to being "Forced" in the Narrative, Marie feels quite Optional in which if the Players don't like her, they could pick to ignore her & follow the OG P4 Ending. "Kasumi" in the other Hand, isn't Optional as you see her quite "advertised" in the 1st part of the Story of P5R in which "encourages" Players to interact with her, especially in Hopes that "Kasumi" becomes an "Early" accessible party Member... 2. The other thing to note is during Marie's SL, you would see her being able to interact a lot with some of the Investigation Team. "Kasumi" in the other Hand, wasn't able to interact much with some or most the Phantom Thieves, thus not exactly feeling like a Friend but just a Teammate that the Phantom Thieves just understand & somewhat sympathise. Sure we could say the Same with Marie with "Kasumi's" Interactions, Marie at least gets to know more of the Yu's Team... 3. "Kasumi" should've been better than Marie, especially for her to be a Playable Character but to me, inspite of Gameplay, narratively speaking, she is more like a "Forced" character than Marie. 4. So like I said, Marie is better than Maruki in some Extent ie because how Marie connects Persona 4, both from OG to Golden where the Topic of Truth is still there, especially with mentions of her Connection with Izanami & the Sagiri. Maruki in the other Hand, doesn't know much of what happened during the Events of the PT vs Yaldabaoth. Sure, the Story connected in some Extent but with Maruki not directly knowing, it makes P5R disconnected in some ways. So to put it simple here, while Maurki is the better handled Character , Marie is better handled Narratively in the Story...

no mention of her bringing fSteak to Persona 4 itself rip but the main thing I really dislike about Marie is her (purposefully) cringe poems being unskippable. Can't even fast forward. So if you want to fuse you're forced to sit through this intrusive roadbump every now and again. I also feel her tsundere-ness isn't as well done as it could have been. Always enjoy Hanakana though so there's that.

I hate to do this but... Cú Chulainn is pronounced like "coo cullen" in english

Im suprised you didnt mention that Yu x Marie is esse2ntially a less violent version of Nakajima x Yukano

To be honest, I don't mind Marie's personality. In fact, I don't find her as mean as a lot of people make her look like. If anything, the only thing that bothers me about her is that her character arc is kind of a rehash of Teddie's.

Marie’s fine I just want to not have to flip through all her dialogue when I step into the Velvet Room I just wants to fuse some dudes lol

marie is izanami's shadow change my mind /jk

I do get the critism of Marie tho, her poems get annoying and how everyone just likes her seems a little bit forced. From what we see, Marie seems to be friends of the investigation team through Yu, but not friends with all of the investigation teams. But then again you don't need to be bff's to not want someone to die lol.

Marie is a character I feel like is way too hating. I have grown to like her a lot more thanks to the anime.

Marie is probably one of the most meh reactions I've had to any social links in Persona 3, 4, or 5. I'm usually at least lukewarm positive on most links. I should, of course, replay Persona 4 Golden because I barely remember Marie.

I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks Marie is overhated. She’s nowhere near my favorite character, but the hate for her as a character is overblown in my opinion. The only thing I truly hate about her on the same level as everyone else is her dungeon. May have been one of the most miserable experiences I’ve ever had in a Persona game, second only to Okumura’s palace.

Fsteak

oh no

People hate her because of her poems by saying they’re terribly written, I find it cute and funny how bad they are, I’m sure plenty of emo-teens write terrible poetry all the time. It just makes her feel natural in my opinion.

Honestly, I never got why she was disliked so much. Sure, poems can be kinda... uninteresting and frankly, cringe. Trust me, i hate reading shakespeare as much as the next guy. Still, her poems imply a lot about her character when you read into them. Even if im not typically a fan of the tsundere archetype, i actually still liked how sassy and sarcastic she could be

I don't know why people hate Marie that much, she is a tsundere and make cringy poems but that's not enough for me, her story compliments the final arc very well and her social link is very heartwarming, but oh well...

I really love your videos and this one is not an exception, but you made a mistake with Nyx. Nyx didn't born from the unconscious or the human desires. Nyx is an alien being that has been present in the persona world before the humanity, it is death in the true sense of the word. In persona 3 the one that came from the consciousness and is in certain way a.cognitive being that was born from the desire for salvation and death is Erebus. Nyx can't be defeated it's a concept not the embodiment of something.