Understanding Mesh Networking (feat. MikroTik Audience)

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Gary Explains

Gary Explains

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Mesh networking is a broad term that can cover a multitude of different network products. One key feature for good Mesh Networking is tri-band, the ability to use 3 different radios, one specifically for the nodes to communicate. Here is my look at tri-band mesh networking using the MikroTik Audience to demonstrate the advantages of tri-band mesh networking.
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@UtkarshUpadhyayTheGreat
@UtkarshUpadhyayTheGreat 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! Please make a video! Never heard of 802.11 R, K, etc.
@BrendanxP
@BrendanxP 3 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see that too!
@bsl2501
@bsl2501 3 жыл бұрын
the fun letters k, v and r heavily depend on the client being capable to use them. sometimes - speaking from experience - they unfortunately can cause issues with connectivity (though getting rare). and yes, I‘d also like to see a video towards these.
@briancampbell5685
@briancampbell5685 2 жыл бұрын
Watched Gary's Wifi extender video first and then this video and it made my choosing a Wifi extender vs Wifi Mesh network much easier i.e. The Mesh network is the clear choice. A very well put together video presented in a clear way that everyone can understand the different concepts. Thank you for taking the time.
@toddmarshall7573
@toddmarshall7573 3 жыл бұрын
Reinventing the wheel...worse. Over 20 years ago (and before IP) we had ATM (Asynchronous Transfer Mode). It could do "hops" several orders of magnitude faster than IP. The carriers used it to configure the backbone. It was a layer 2 protocol where IP is a layer 3 protocol. To do voice (i.e. VoIP), IP has to do 20 hops or less to reach a destination in less than 1/8th second. This required a "backbone"...and that kept the carriers in business. The carriers used PVC (Permanent Virtual Circuits)...all manually engineered and provisioned. But the protocol had the exact feature we needed for mesh networks...that being SVC (Switched Virtual Circuits). It could dynamically set up multiple connections between nodes. And "connections" is the key issue. It didn't broadcast packets...it delivered in order on a dedicated "virtual" connection. Broadcast was an unnecessary option. And the so-called "backhaul" (i.e. control channel...now improperly used by Twitter) could be set up as just a slower speed, higher QoS (Quality of Service) connection if needed. Back then I observed that IP used six different protocols (e.g MPLS, IPSec, DiffSrv, IntSrv, ...etc.) to do what ATM did natively. Follow the money: Cisco and Intel squashed ATM. Further, there was UWB (Ultra Wide Band) at layer 1. It got squashed too. If we just rediscovered these two technologies, we could have every device (e.g. phone, computer, car, building...) be a node. UWB could communicate between the nodes using DSSS (Discrete Sequence Spread Spectrum...at 1 terabit speeds) faster and more robustly than WiFi does now. And we wouldn't need a backbone. And better yet, as density goes up, bandwidth goes up and power needed goes down. What's not to love about ATM/UWB? We don't need to re-invent. We need to re-discover.
@autohmae
@autohmae 2 жыл бұрын
My guess is patents played a role in this and prevented some techniques being used
@SirPeterlll
@SirPeterlll 2 жыл бұрын
If phones would act as a node then that would potentially be a security risk, it would make the man in the middle much easier. Also the energy consumption would be higher for phone users. I do like the node idear though, lots of IOT /zigbee is using the node idear.
@tmac9938
@tmac9938 10 ай бұрын
@todd prove it
@toddmarshall7573
@toddmarshall7573 10 ай бұрын
@@autohmae Bad guess I think.
@toddmarshall7573
@toddmarshall7573 10 ай бұрын
@@SirPeterlll And you would be correct if your conventional thinking was correct. I think it is not. For starters, individual phones acting as nodes would be the exception (e.g. in stadiums ... or hops to a powered edge). It's a "mesh" idea. Nodes are just one network element. Next, native ATM is more secure than IP with its 6 helper protocols). With SVCs a man in the middle attack doesn't work. The man can't get in the middle.
@alvinee3882
@alvinee3882 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Really appreciate you making this understandable!
@pavelvrasskii1359
@pavelvrasskii1359 3 жыл бұрын
Good video! Thank you Gary!
@bleedseason123
@bleedseason123 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Explained a complicated topic in an accessible way.
@bennycheung7222
@bennycheung7222 2 жыл бұрын
Very clear explanation! Thanks!
@alexandersage967
@alexandersage967 Жыл бұрын
Extremely helpful
@puntuated
@puntuated 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. A very clear video. You highlight many aspects that I found difficult to understand previously. The only point I have is on whether the obvious technical advantages of a mesh system outweighs the much less cost of adopting a router plus range extenders. Your thoughts would be appreciated.
@geoffpool7476
@geoffpool7476 3 жыл бұрын
Great presentation! I would love to see another video about the R and K standards.
@denisstpierre7140
@denisstpierre7140 Жыл бұрын
Answered many questions. Thank you
@guilherme5094
@guilherme5094 3 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@muddyexport5639
@muddyexport5639 3 жыл бұрын
3 very good and informative videos on WiFi network topologies and interworkings. I would be most "pleased" if you would continue this series to "explain" the other topics you have mentioned. Great reference vids that I have saved for when CRS rears its ugly head, again.
@amateurwizard
@amateurwizard 3 жыл бұрын
How did I miss this, great video
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know!!! 😁 Are you subscribed to the channel?
@chrisarmstrong2721
@chrisarmstrong2721 10 ай бұрын
is it possible to increase bandwidth, also what affordable open source mesh routers are there as i bought an asus mesh but now tp link has deals so it would be better to use open mesh and be able to mix and match hardware as each still uses open wrt. O and what about redundant gateway, duel modems to duel 1st nodes for redundancy. On typical home meshes there is only one modem and the first or master node which share the internet across the mesh. Any way to add redundancy?
@gavinpotter8741
@gavinpotter8741 3 жыл бұрын
Wow I’m early . Awesome video as always!,!,!!!!!
@dichebach
@dichebach Жыл бұрын
Fantastic stuff!
@soragranda
@soragranda 3 жыл бұрын
I want to see the wifi 6e version of this setup in a couple of years, with 6ghz band!
@fusseldieb
@fusseldieb 2 жыл бұрын
One wall and it stops lol
@brucewayne673
@brucewayne673 3 жыл бұрын
So awesome thank you
@autohmae
@autohmae 2 жыл бұрын
My big question is: could it be the backhaul is actually using directional antennas ?
@mitchelldrake7113
@mitchelldrake7113 3 жыл бұрын
FINALLY an explanation!!!
@robertcoeymanjr.2550
@robertcoeymanjr.2550 3 жыл бұрын
This overview of the mesh network looks like a network extender. How does the mesh network function so that it can avoid interfering with itself? You have multiple radios on the same frequency band in the same space. The nodes would have to overlap. My setup is using two wired nodes at opposite ends of the house and it is very stable. I was watching this video to see how a mesh network could work in an environment where an extender would cut bandwidth.
@brito809
@brito809 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thank you.
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@edfx
@edfx 2 ай бұрын
What if you always going to use ethernet backhaul and don't care about configuring each node individually, but greadly need seamless roaming. Should I still go fo mesh or multiple APs? One of the nodes need to be weatherproof since its going in my grarden.
@njain2686
@njain2686 3 жыл бұрын
How did you like the Mikrotik interface.I tried installing Cap AC but could never get the 5 GHz to work.
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 3 жыл бұрын
The Mikrotik interface is not as slick as other vendors, that is sure. But on the plus it is very powerful if you know what to do. For the Audience, you don't really need to touch the interface beyond just setting the passwords etc.
@Appalling68
@Appalling68 3 жыл бұрын
Let me see if I understand this. I live in a fairly large two-story house. Right now, my Asus RT-AC86U router is serving up the wi-fi signal to the entire house. Of course, the problem is range and walls. The router is located in my small office in the downstairs corner of the house. The signal arrives to the living room (two walls away) quite weak but somewhat usable to stream Netflix or whatever to our TV. The signal is even weaker arriving upstairs to my kids rooms, where they often have trouble with connection speeds due to signal degradation. So how would I do this? I have to buy at least two of these units, one of which is parked in my office and the other upstairs somewhere? Or would I have to buy three units, one as the base unit in my office, one for the living room, and one upstairs? Would I connect via an ethernet cable from my Asus router to the unit in my office? Just trying to get a handle on this.
@dw9zg6kctnr23
@dw9zg6kctnr23 3 жыл бұрын
Your RT-AC86U supports a system called AIMesh. This allows any other compatible router from Asus (whether another AC86U or a different Asus model that also supports AIMesh) to connect to your existing AC86U. Before going for a pricy mesh setup, I'd recommend you see if you can find another cheap Asus router with AIMesh (older models can be found on sale, or find it used even) and you can make a mesh network for yourself. It won't have a dedicated backhaul, but it'll still be a better experience.
@cheerlin
@cheerlin 3 жыл бұрын
Cheapest n most value is to Try run a wired Ethernet upstairs and use Asus AImesh as Alen suggested but with wired* backhaul ~~if you want to use a Triband mesh network, depending on network layout, your AC-86U most likely won’t be in much usage with new setup *A bit hesitant to try AImesh without wired backhaul, as it will decrease your bandwidth with only dualband, unless your kids will only be streaming max 1080p60 videos
@GuidoBordonaro
@GuidoBordonaro 3 жыл бұрын
I'm having so many problems in deciding how to wire my house internet, mostly I can't understand how the seamless switch works... For now my only solution is two access point with the same ssid and password... So please I need the seamless switch video in my life.
@AsafShahar
@AsafShahar 3 жыл бұрын
It was interesting to compare it to an access point connected to LAN.
@kayvonSadeghi-k1
@kayvonSadeghi-k1 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting and generally informative. But something does not make sense here. If the cell phone on 5GHz at the corner of the house only gets 10%, how does adding a mesh in the same room gives you 60%? The mesh unit connects on a 5GHz, so it should also be at 10%. So, the cell phone connected to the 2nd mesh unit cannot exceed the 10%. Can you explain that?
@SirPeterlll
@SirPeterlll 2 жыл бұрын
Same question I had, think he assumed that the phone would not switch to 2.4 and the 2 mesh points were connecting to 2.4, giving the phone a better 5 ghz signal. However the phone would have switched by itself to 2.4
@marine1718
@marine1718 3 жыл бұрын
Can you unboxing and review the MikroTik Audience
@GlenKowalchuk
@GlenKowalchuk 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Gary, how do I wirelessly mesh my 4 audiences with my home router?
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 2 жыл бұрын
It depends on your router, but my guess is you can't. You should connect one of the Audience units via an Ethernet cable to your network and disable Wi-Fi on your home router.
@GlenKowalchuk
@GlenKowalchuk 2 жыл бұрын
@@GaryExplains How do you link the primary Audience with the other 3 secondary Audiences such that they MESH with each other?
@BrucesWorldofStuff
@BrucesWorldofStuff 3 жыл бұрын
I can see that a third unit would be a good thing. Now not knowing the price, I'm guessing that could be a factor... :-) Great video and Thanks Gary! LLAP
@BrucesWorldofStuff
@BrucesWorldofStuff 3 жыл бұрын
@@aaronjeremy7721 A Ok... This don't make any sense... But ok? LLAP
@BrucesWorldofStuff
@BrucesWorldofStuff 3 жыл бұрын
@@aaronjeremy7721 What?
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 3 жыл бұрын
It wasn't me replying it is a fake account which is spamming my channel.
@BrucesWorldofStuff
@BrucesWorldofStuff 3 жыл бұрын
@@GaryExplains Ok, that make sense now. sorry for your issue with the spamer... Thanks for the reply... LLAP
@1MarkKeller
@1MarkKeller 3 жыл бұрын
*GARY!!!* *Good morning Professor!* *Good morning fellow classmates!* Stay Safe Out There Everyone!*
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 3 жыл бұрын
MARK!!!!
@MikeNewham
@MikeNewham 3 жыл бұрын
Good explanation.. But I wonder how price & performance of mesh devices compare against so called 5G 'HomePlugs' which use existing electrical wiring in the house..
@daniel_960_
@daniel_960_ 3 жыл бұрын
I think mesh is superior. Probably highly depends on the way the house is wired but in our case it wasn’t very reliable. It did the job well but reliability wasn’t top.
@TheStuartGibson
@TheStuartGibson 2 жыл бұрын
I have a new build house, a powerline extender had to be placed in different rooms, turns out having it on a different circuit worked better. Of a total 150mbps to router, kitchen only got 50mbps, back bedroom gets 100mbps. I have BT broadband in the UK, with a xiaomi ax1800 WiFi 6 repeater
@ap5672
@ap5672 2 жыл бұрын
If you believe in harmful effect of EMF (electromagnetic radiation) I vaguely remember an article stating that using ethernet over powerline basically turns your house powerline into EMF radiators.
@sauravkrch
@sauravkrch 3 жыл бұрын
Please put audiance in the middle of the passage and test speed and strength in cornor room. This scenario you didn't try in 1st video as well.
@SirPeterlll
@SirPeterlll 2 жыл бұрын
The phone that would get 10% of the 5ghz signal would have switched over to the 2.4ghz and getting the 60% aswell. Increasing the signal to 60% with the extra mesh point looks weird in the explanation. The 2 mesh points would communicate with 2.4 and not 5ghz and thus dropping potentially the wifi speeds.
@Garythefireman66
@Garythefireman66 3 жыл бұрын
I really like the idea of mesh. The tough part is snaking the ethernet cables throughout the house without doing too much sheetrock work.
@kafadek825
@kafadek825 3 жыл бұрын
You don't need to use Ethernet cables. They can mesh wirelessly
@2muchjpop
@2muchjpop 3 жыл бұрын
11:35 nice...
@Rayu25Demon
@Rayu25Demon 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your hard work i like your videos a lot. Can u talk about PON network ?
@SirPeterlll
@SirPeterlll 2 жыл бұрын
What do you want to know about PON? Pon uses a fiber connection that is send through passive splitters from your Internet service provider to your home. The data is encrypted since it is going to all the homes that is connected to that passive splitter. Your PON box in your home will filter your data out and decrypt it for your computer to use.
@dedankimathi7136
@dedankimathi7136 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Gary, please do an ethical hacking video.
@pbrigham
@pbrigham 2 жыл бұрын
good video, but why you are still using wifi5 in 2021 with so many wifi6 devices out there?
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 2 жыл бұрын
Why am I using WiFi 6? Is that a serious question? Unless you but all new equipment (laptops, PCs, Smart TVs etc) then only a small percentage of people will have a WiFi 6 only setup. Plus Mikrotik don't have a WiFi 6 version of the Audience.
@pbrigham
@pbrigham 2 жыл бұрын
@@GaryExplains That is not true, most mobile phones these days have wifi6 already. Wifi5 is 7 years old technology, Mikrotik is way behind in wifi devices. Having said that, I use their switches as they are of great value.
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 2 жыл бұрын
If you read my reply carefully you will note I didn't mention smartphones.
@gacherumburu9958
@gacherumburu9958 3 жыл бұрын
👍👍
@reidelisiazorrilla6834
@reidelisiazorrilla6834 2 жыл бұрын
Hi
@dworkeen
@dworkeen 2 жыл бұрын
Garry, this video takes me all the way back to my first 300 baud connection to the nascent internet. Everybody's night time prayer back then was for a world without mountains of rj45 spaghetti. Then the Blessed J.K.Rowling invented WiFi and it all got so much better. And now you're actually suggesting we start laying coax and building lovely 19" steel racking and cupboards for the switches, modems and UPS. ...........Are you out of your f*@king mind? Moving on, I like your channel because you mostly know something of which you speak. So may I ask quite humbly that you not ask how to go back to the 1970's, the days when if it didn't arrive in 6 pantecnicons (look it up !) it wasnt a proper computer. What I want to know is not how we fix a local net system that is looking kinda creaky. My question is not even what do we want tomorrow's connectivity systems to do nor how fast do we want them to do it My question is how many tiny weany 7th dimensional, fully integrated bioWhoosits are presently in labs around the world that in the coming year will make wifi look just so remarkably quaint?
@al6313
@al6313 3 жыл бұрын
The explanation is a bit misleading. What the manufactures mean by MESH, is the ability to dynamically switch to the stronger connection. So if you have a router in the 1st floor and a repeater in the 2nd floor, your mobile phone will be be connected to the MESH-device on the floor you are (with the currently better signal). The MESH devices are making this decision. It only works between MESH-devices from the same manufacturer. In a non MESH setup, the mobile phone will stay connected with it's wifi, until the signal quality gets really bad and the phone is looking for a better wifi.
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 3 жыл бұрын
No, that isn't true. There are many "mesh" networking products that don't support FT and even then it is still often the clients choice as to which access point it connects. Only when the mesh network and the client support 802.11v will there be any influence over the clients choice of connection. Of course, with units like the Audience you can set the unit to reject all connections from "far away" clients and pseudo force them to connect to a more local unit.
@cheerlin
@cheerlin 3 жыл бұрын
@@GaryExplains I like the term “pseudo force” , helps to explains reject connection based on dB levels
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 3 жыл бұрын
@@cheerlin Exactly.
@polyakoviv
@polyakoviv 3 жыл бұрын
I would strongly advise against buying mikrotic hardware. It's not that good in the first place, and software is for professional use only, average joe will get crushed by it
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 3 жыл бұрын
While I can understand your sentiment about the software (the web UI isn't as slick as other vendors), I don't think it is a reason to not buy the units. Setting up the Audience units was very simple. If you don't wander away from the quick setup pages then you shouldn't have any problems.
@DhruvSeta
@DhruvSeta 3 жыл бұрын
@1:17 please don't use this animation.
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