Understanding the Growing Collaboration Between Russia and Iran

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Understanding the Growing Collaboration Between Russia and Iran

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Center for Strategic & International Studies

2 ай бұрын

Please join the Europe, Russia, and Eurasia Program, in collaboration with the Middle East Program, for a conversation about the growing bilateral relationship between Moscow and Tehran.
Max Bergmann will moderate a conversation with Jon B. Alterman and Hanna Notte, analyzing how the governments of Russia and Iran have strengthened their political, economic, and security collaboration since the launch of Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022.
This online-only event will be broadcast from 2:00-3:00 PM EDT, on Wednesday, June 12, 2024.
This event was made possible thanks to the generous support of the Carnegie Corporation of New York.
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@GMATveteran 2 ай бұрын

20:00 - it seems like what these pundits are missing (or refusing to say explicitly) is that whatever historical mistrust exist between Iran & Russia, they're nowhere near as deep as their mutual mistrust of the US. Moreover, the US threat to both countries is existential - the US wants to engineer regime change in both countries, wants both to cease existing as de facto independent states, & wants to break up both countries into smaller vassal states. Consequently, the US is a far bigger threat to both Iran & Russia than they are to each other. Since both are sovereign & pragmatic states, they'll naturally put aside any historical grievances with each other so as to work against the US.

@homayounshirazi9550 Ай бұрын

This is precisely what Iranians say. There must be a balance of powers in the world and US has to get used to it.

@rockmusic175 2 ай бұрын

Its good to console yourselves

@LunarGlow92 2 ай бұрын

15 minutes in, i may regret this, but so far I want to say this isn't that bad. Was expecting full blown childish propaganda analysis and am pleasantly surprised so far that its a mature conversation.

@Samkhaerif4960 2 ай бұрын

The young woman spoke well. Insightful.

@timotheusvanesch3959 2 ай бұрын

20mins in and I am seriously disgusted by the lack of empathy of Jon Alterman. Sorry, but your view relates to "spheres of influence", which was the 20th century stupidity.

@aryaman05 2 ай бұрын

Realistically speaking, what kinda economy does it take to do what RU has done since start of UA conflict, and sustain it going forward. Would Italy, UK, Germany or Jpn be able pull off similar feat ? So, how accurate is it to say RU GDP is smaller than that of Spain ?

@2000brettpaul 2 ай бұрын

I think there is a certain amount of depletion happening, as well as sustaining.

@TysonFuryTheGOAT 2 ай бұрын

It's rather impressive the GDP cope is still going on. Russia clearly possesses a far more robust economy than any of the US vassals Spain/Italy/UK/Germany/Japan. Nominal GDP is not a great measure of RU relative economic weight. None of the aforementioned countries possess either the energy or the food security Russia does and most definitely not the indigenous MIB. They also don't demonstrate the social cohesion and patriotism Russians do. Could they have gathered the volunteers Russia has? Could they have withstood a total economic war GAE has imposed on Russia? Obviously not. These are minor powers in comparison. In 2014 for example, RU economy as measured by its GDP in dollars. dropped like 50% because of the sanctions related currency depreciation. Clearly this is an artifact of the nominal GDP calculation method and not reflective of reality. GDP (PPP) presents a far more realistic assessment of Russian economy, especially so since it's very autarkic with its import/GDP ratio being one of the world's lowest among the developed countries. Recently the new world bank report came out stating that Russia has been ahead of both Japan and Germany as far as GDP (PPP) is concerned. When the shadow economy is included, RU is almost twice the size of German economy. While this more than likely overestimate Russian economy in a certain sense, it does give one a better picture of how it's been able to cope with the GAE economic warfare.

@daramy9507 2 ай бұрын

Accounting to the "World Economics" website and its GDP (PPP - Purchasing Power Parity) ranking, Russia as a result of the Ukraine war and Western sanctions which has helped in boosting its economy due to a greater need for self reliance, now in 2024 at $5,950 trillion estimate has the World's 4th largest economy, larger than Germany and Japan. In terms of the GDP/PPP figure above, only China, America, and Indian have largers economies than Russia. Spains economy in contrast is significantly smaller at only half the size of Russia's economy. Looking at the U.S. population at twice the size of Russia's, in economics terms of PPP is four times that of Russia's. But much of the U.S. economy is services as it has lost its manufacturing edge to China whereas for Russia it is manufacturing. And that is why Russia is outproducing the Western nations in terms of weapons in its fight against Ukraine. So we should be careful in portraying Russia as anything less than a military Superpower.

@Piqued5 2 ай бұрын

Hanna Notte is an amazing speaker and would love to see her on more panels. Very insightful the way she connects all the different domains that this complex relationship has.

@linnyschlamm3310 2 ай бұрын

There is no country in the world that is as good at creating enemy images as the US, that is truly unique.

@Piqued5 2 ай бұрын

@@linnyschlamm3310 counterpoint: Chinese propaganda against America. IF ONLY we were as baller as they depict us.

@linnyschlamm3310 Ай бұрын

@@Piqued5 The hegemon will not lose its power and is striking all over the world. Unfortunately, that is the sad truth, according to the motto: “There can only be one!”, but the time is for change.

@zionismisterrorism8716 2 ай бұрын

Not completely accurate. Russia has become the largest economy in Europe as of 2024.

@hadronoftheseus8829 2 ай бұрын

Vatniks are hilariously bad at your jobs.

@2000brettpaul 2 ай бұрын

Not quite sure what that means - using what measure?

@arthurrelke 2 ай бұрын

Russia only wins if you count gdp PPP, anything else is shit

@zionismisterrorism8716 2 ай бұрын

@@2000brettpaul If you just count artillery shells, Russia outproduces the entire West.

@TysonFuryTheGOAT 2 ай бұрын

@@arthurrelke sure but PPP offers a more realistic assessment of Russian economy, the "GDP smaller than Italy" is a talking point that ridiculously underestimates the Russian economic weight.

@PrettyGoodLookin 2 ай бұрын

Those poor Arab Palestinians who lost everything in The Nakba of 1948 and who have suffered every day since.

@LunarGlow92 2 ай бұрын

Overall pleasantly surprised, and was really impressed. please increase adult conversations like this with actual analysis. Treat your audience like adults and this channel will grow and have more engagement. Even If for the most part i completely disagree with the positions that establishment takes, I still want to hear the conversations. For the life of me, I can no longer take the dumbing down and as Jon said this sanctimonious posturing (even domestically) as if we don't just see right through it. We are approaching arguably the most important time in geopolitics in the century and being that you people actually influence policy, it is that much more important that you step up to fill the much needed void of foreign policy discussion. Thank you

@DPtdryste 2 ай бұрын

Alterman calling Russia and China doing BRICS “not any positive vision but solely against the West” is the most Western white man thing he’s ever said

@andrewpienaar4522 2 ай бұрын

Bwahaha! Is this - "Be nice to Russia day" ? If you want to talk about being cynical, just look at these 2 being interviewed. How can you pretend to have a balanced conversation about the relationship between Russia and the Middle East and not mention BRICS? Do you not know how BRICS has promoted peace in the Middle East. Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt and Iran joined BRICS on the condition that they put their differences aside. The US does not have a "bad batting average" but rather they have been playing the middle Eastern countries against each other. And please if you going to down play the Russians, please just get some facts straight. Russia is now rated as having a bigger economy that Britain and France, Germany and Japan to have the 4th biggest GDP terms of PPP.

@petergreen5337 2 ай бұрын

❤a well REASONED argument. Your approach is more comprehensive and more REALISTIC.

@muchachopicaron 2 ай бұрын

In real dollar terms Russia is about the size of Texas, it is an economic pigmy. PPP is made for some folks in poor countries to feel better. Arms are sold in real dollars not in PPP dollars!

@andrewpienaar4522 2 ай бұрын

@@muchachopicaron "Real Dollar Terms" is becoming a thing of history, just like all the others before. The latest Russian PPP calculation comes from the IMF. By Western projections, Russia was supposed to collapse (due to sanctions) within 6 Months of invading Ukraine, based on their understand of the Russian economy. After 2 years however, Russia is stronger than ever and that is why the IMF came up with this calculation. The West realized they totally Messed Up and don't know what to do next, so they are just progressing us all to WW3.

@andrewpienaar4522 Ай бұрын

@@muchachopicaron What you are saying does not tie up with the latest IMF assessment of Russia. How to explain PPP, let me see... Artillery is the King of the battlefield and inflicts the most casualties of all disciplines on the enemy soldiers. In "Real Dollars" Ukraine and their Western Backers are paying $3000.00 for each standard 155mm Artillery Shell (you can look it up) Russia is paying $400.00 for the equivalent. No wonder Russian can afford to lob 10 000 a day (Yes, that is a total of 10 Million shells so far) at Ukraine, while Ukraine can only return 2000 a day (only 2 Million over the war so far) Russia is producing 3 Million shells per year while ALL of the West can only produce 250k. Do you understand PPP better now? If not let me try it this way: I can take my lady to one of the decent Restaurants here in South Africa. I can have a 500g (1.1 pound) Rump Steak and she can have Chicken Cordon Bleu, Lasagna or Sushi, along with all the other treats and drinks, until we have had our fill. That will cost us about R800.00 (about $44.00) How much will that cost in the US?

@muchachopicaron Ай бұрын

@@andrewpienaar4522 what you are saying applies for goods produced internally but the small detail (not really) there isn’t a country which produces everything then those goods need to be purchased somewhere else, then my friend you would need to use your hard earned real dollars (nobody would accept imaginary PPP dollars). Russia produces low quality products in general, they sell oil, gas, gold and diamonds to the rest of the world, so if they want the real thing they would real hard currency. Do you think the Chinese, the Indians or North Koreans, who are selling stuff to Russia, would accept PPP rubles? Come on!

@The_Riddler21 2 ай бұрын

Glory to RUSSIA and IRAN and all BRICS Nations ✌️🇮🇷🇷🇺👌🌹❤️

@monsifelakkaritijani8637 2 ай бұрын

You can't train a pilot fighter from F14 to SU35 in months, you need a year at least... The deal is done. Iran will receive 72 units.

@JosephzaNoah 2 ай бұрын

Please talk about Biafra Liberation 😢😢😢❤❤🎉🎉

@AndrewLambert-wi8et 2 ай бұрын

INTERESTING THAT SHE IS CONDUCTING NUCLEAR ANTI-PROLIFERATION STUDIES..

@GrizzillaStudios 2 ай бұрын

I love this channel

@joshuapaul2022 2 ай бұрын

At this point unconditional surrender is the only practical solution for Ukraine. Hitler's Germany also refused to admit defeat until Hitler killed himself, then Keitel signed unconditional surrender.

@muchachopicaron 2 ай бұрын

The Russian army armed to their teeth couldn’t take Kyiv. Do you think a degraded army could beat Ukraine? This is not Berlin 1945, looks more like Afghanistan 1988.

@joshuapaul2022 2 ай бұрын

@@muchachopicaron You are just engaging in wishful thinking. Russians never intended to capture 3 million Kiev at the beginning of the war. It was simply impossible to do with 40 000 troops they had near Kiev. They wanted to force Zelenskyy to a negotiation table. Now Russians have 700 000 army in Ukraine with insurmountable Russian advantage in firepower and professional Ukrainian army mostly populates endless cemeteries across Ukraine. People Zelenskyy goons kidnap off the streets have zero motivation to die for Zelenskyy. Watch prof. John Mearsheimer, for example, if you want to know more about the conflict.

@muchachopicaron Ай бұрын

@@joshuapaul2022 well I don’t agree with Mearsheimer’s “realism” where the “poor” Russians have every right to kill and shoot anybody who dares to make their own decisions in what he describes the “near abroad”. The Ukrainians like any other people around the world have the right to join or reject any organisation. Who the hell is putin to dictate them what to do!? Oh come! Did the Russians never intent to capture Kyiv? Are you kidding? They lost their elite paratrooper division while trying, didn’t they? That was a serious operation.

@ticktock3152 2 ай бұрын

Tens of thousands of civilians slaughtered in Gaza, according to who, Jon?

@zak992 2 ай бұрын

according to the UN

@jupitergpb1432 2 ай бұрын

Too much respect to jon. He has old world view.

@lorenzoo90 2 ай бұрын

I think we should work more Iran and I think our Japanese partners can help with that

@hichic4390 2 ай бұрын

Is that man talking or is he pleading with his face?🤣😂

@monsifelakkaritijani8637 2 ай бұрын

S400, SU35, KA52, bastion systems... Hypersonic tech...

@moyisisinelungelotunzi Ай бұрын

That's exactly how the G-South feels 😮

@attilatasciko4817 2 ай бұрын

Thanks .

@mortezaashoury1624 Ай бұрын

Persian Gulf not gulf, remember.

@homayounshirazi9550 Ай бұрын

This world a-changing. Get used to it !

@zacharygray3078 2 ай бұрын

Ah the old blindfolded tie knot 😂

@Empire4Liberty 2 ай бұрын

Some would say we should be cheering for other countries success

@Staevelven 2 ай бұрын

all i wanna say is weak program wrong infoes. look like these never bin iran and russia. i feel like i watched fox or bbc

@pouyabahrami7669 2 ай бұрын

Presentarion of 43 years of failed old ideas.

@jolenefisher7529 2 ай бұрын

Has anyone thought of the coincidence of the October 7 attack being Putin's birthday. Putin has a tendency to equate special dates with incidents.

@wolfbirk8295 2 ай бұрын

Or all is in your brainstorming only...?

@hooshangpazhouhesh8687 2 ай бұрын

These people know very little about the subject, why not having Iranian American and Russian American in ur show.

@quaciebrowne8929 2 ай бұрын

U people dont know nun about russian and also Iran

@HolloMatlala1 2 ай бұрын

Iran is having their First DEMOCRATIC elections....And think All BRICS , Russian and East Powers should be observers and help Iran during it's transition and West should be open to create friendships.... Regardless of Religion or Beliefs....DEMOCRACY is DEMOCRACY and be treated fairly

@Questioneverything2050 2 ай бұрын

Ukraine aid pays for all these pointless discussion

@nygeriunprence 2 ай бұрын

The New Axis

@coexistenciapacifica3241 Ай бұрын

The perspective of zionist- concerns

@johndewey6358 2 ай бұрын

Today (June 12,2024) Foreign Minister Lavrov announced that the 20 year strategic agreement that Russia had signed with Former Iranian President (Raisi) is suspended. Experts believe Russia had anticipated that Raisi would be the next Supreme Leader, but since the Iranian regime murdered Raisi by crashing his helicopter for paving the way for Mjtaba Khameni becoming the next Supreme Leader. Russia wanted Raisi to be the next Supreme Leader since he was a very weak and far more moldable person. Russia is angry about Raisi's murder.

@davisoneill 2 ай бұрын

It's always amusing to see these Anglo-Saxons pretending to themselves that they still rule the waves.

@psikeyhackr6914 2 ай бұрын

Russia is desperate and getting more so.

@felipe-vibor 2 ай бұрын

Which makes it even more risky

@wolfbirk8295 2 ай бұрын

@@felipe-viborUSA elites are desperate....?

@petergreen5337 2 ай бұрын

On What EVIDENCE do you base this claim??

@psikeyhackr6914 2 ай бұрын

@@petergreen5337 They let criminals out of prison and pardon them for going to the Special Military Operation. How many Russian ships have been sunk with remote controlled speed boats? Russians are trying to leave Crimea. Trying to understand what is going on through so much obviously biased information is a problem.

@wolfbirk8295 2 ай бұрын

@@petergreen5337 perhaps disinformation is evidence in the west.. ?