Understanding the War (16) - Technology with Lucia Velasco

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Prof Alexander Stubb in a conversation with Lucia Velasco about the role of technology in the war.
Lucia Velasco, Policy Leader Fellow at the School of Transnational Governance, is an economist and policy practitioner specialised in the social impact of technology. She works with the Spanish government, the European Commission and the OECD, looking at the best ways to govern technology in bolstering democracy
This video is the fourth in a series of interviews delving into specific aspects of the war with academics at the European University Institute.

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@jotaele4878 2 жыл бұрын

I think the Geneva convention is only useful if all the parties respect the protocols but what we are seeing is that one country is breaking most of the agreements, so the problem is not the lack of updated protocols but how to make accountable those who brake the rules

@andyreznick 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Russia seems only concerned with expediency and domestic publicity and propaganda, relying on lying, deflecting and denying their way out of everything.

@noahway13 Жыл бұрын

They have all that. Problem is, the opponent has to capitulate and have unconditional surrender. So it would not work in Vietnam, Korea, etc.

@sharoncloete4060 2 жыл бұрын

These chats open my eyes each time to the critical elements prevalent in the world today. It is scary when one realises that we are facing the "unseen" enemy. Again Prof, thank you to you and Lucia for the insights given today. Best regards from South Africa 🇿🇦

@emom358 2 жыл бұрын

Your talks are fascinating, please keep them coming.

@rossvoss5408 2 жыл бұрын

That’s the genius of drone technology no one is held accountable for any crimes enacted by the drone. Everyone will have an alibi to avoid responsibility

@christophercousins184 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent conversation. Thanks so much.

@sydarn 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Lucia and Alex! I miss semiconductors here, something which I would argue is as important as energy today. Is this something we can expect a dedicated episode on?

@andyreznick 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video. Ms. Velasco was an interesting guest.

@ElenaRadu33 Жыл бұрын

Lucia opinions make sense.

@rockflowerful 2 жыл бұрын

Listening to this interesting discussion one is comforted that information technologies can record and expose instantly breaches of rules of war. Then appalled at the complexity of , recording, tracking atrocities,sorting fact from fiction. The instinctive thought is, that combative parties knowing they operate under an international spot light, this must be a good thing and hopefully will discourage the worst excesses. It does seem to me that this war for Ukraine is opening up a very new kind of war and those rules of military engagement will have to be updated rather quickly.

@bron-sconcess.10 2 жыл бұрын

We are indeed in a 'new world order!'. It is welcome to see the 'government' of 22nd Century regulation, being addressed in an open forum, one particular point made by Lucia Valasco, not having escaped my thoughts recently!

@Billy01113 2 жыл бұрын

About the Elon Musk topic and the question if private entities can provide assets for the war effords of a countries. Private entities have always done that, from the ancient greeks, where rich people fielded their own trieme for the Athens fleet, over war ships financed by the German Hanse to big companies financing and equipping different sides or even multiple sides in the second World War. What is new the type of technology and maybe the level of strategic power they can bring to bear, but the action itself is as old as warfare.

@daniellarson3068 2 жыл бұрын

Lots of bankers have got rich lending money to wars over the centuries. Banks are private entities with assets.

@user-nn8vn4uy7y 2 жыл бұрын

Dear Lucia, you criticize Ukraine a bit for using images of Russian soldiers, but in comparison to Russians our army is very human. There are no executions, the prisoners of war are given enough medical and humanitarian help. We don't shoot civilians too. I think it's very important to say that. Love from Ukraine

@madoldmanyelling6420 2 жыл бұрын

What do you mean *_ there's no executions...*_ - there's videos showing surrendered russian soldiers being deliberately shot by ukrainians. Nazi spirits taking over your poor country.

@JamesC785 2 жыл бұрын

She questioned the use of images of POWs (which is covered by the Geneva Convention I believe),. Any interviews of russian soldiers that I saw the person being filmed expressly gave their consent at the start of the interview, however even this is borderline flirting with the rules & could be abused by others. These interviews were very interesting though & I can understand your pride in how well Ukraine seems to be treating its POWs. Stay strong - Glory to Ukraine !!

@julio-iz3sk 2 жыл бұрын

Let me try to explain Lucia’s way of thinking, to know that you need to know Spain (one of my favorite countries in the world) First, she is Spaniard, Spain has an archaic data protection system, that they think is flawless and perfect. Examples: 1. Belgium police was tracking a terrorist group, they spot them in Spain, they asked the Spanish Police for info and location of maroocan crew, the answer back was: "we know them, but they have data protection" The same crew ran down the ramblas killing innocent people a couple of months later. 2. The leader of the group that accidentally died fixing a bomb, was caught trafficking drugs, put in prison for a couple of years, on his way out he wasn’t deported cause "it looks racist and the guy has data protection" 3. Spanish lefties are very special, anything socialist-communist sound pretty good to them, during Franco’s dictatorship Stalin was supporting the republicans, world revolution, that was welcome cause they didn’t have a clue how bad was that type of government, they didn’t mInd the millions of Ukranians that died in the Holodomor and looked the other way. She wants to give the image that "look, we are good, benevolent and fair, we also know what is good for you" "we are saving you" sounds familiar? Can you guess what will happen if a person that thinks that way could do in a position of power? Cause if you don’t accept his/hers way of saving you hell will brake loose cause you don’t know what is good for you I’m not amazed by her reaction to the Russian soldiers interviews, that where recorded with the knowledge and acceptance, obviously the ukranians thinking on the Geneva Convention. 4. Russian propaganda inside Spain is almost perfect, they will feed independence movements inside Catalunya (left) and feed Right wing Spanish society agains the Catalans, brilliant. She doesn’t really care about what is the Russian army doing in Ukraine, she cares about saving you, her way. This is going to be a long war, one’s Russia falls again, some one worst than Putin will rise, and the wheel turns again.

@daniellarson3068 2 жыл бұрын

The Ukrainians actually went out of their way to inform Russian parents of soldiers that their child was dead whereas the Russian government did nothing. In some ways the Ukrainians treat the Russian soldiers better than the Russians treat their own.

@julio-iz3sk 2 жыл бұрын

@@daniellarson3068 she is idealogical possessed, extreme socialism-communism does that. Geneva convention is for every one, it just happens that some are more equals than others to them.

@kamilziemian995 2 жыл бұрын

Fascinating discussion.

@ElenaRadu33 Жыл бұрын

Lucia is smart and cute

@kamilziemian995 Жыл бұрын

@@ElenaRadu33 I agree.

@RRRazzzaRRR 2 жыл бұрын

Are updates in Geneva conventions will stop the war?

@qqchan Жыл бұрын

I feel that the problem with such conventions is that the “bad guys” do not have a problem with breaking them. Especially when the one breaking them is a nuclear power, then others will be powers will be scared to really step in, leaving the conventions more or less toothless.

@Kannot2023 2 жыл бұрын

Question : you prefer to be killed by a robot or a human? Why?

@moritamikamikara3879 2 жыл бұрын

I was gonna say that I don't have a gun but then I realised that Russians and Chechens don't care either

@spectral-analysis 2 жыл бұрын

What is the "moral" distinction between drones, robots, and AI versus mines, IEDs, unguided missiles, artillery shells, bombs, cluster bombs, thermobaric bombs, barrel bombs, and similar "undirected" weapons? I understand that drones and AI are more directly substituting for human agency, but so are explosives.

@chrisrosenkreuz23 2 жыл бұрын

in the sense that they are indiscriminate, yes and also in the sense of the collateral damage they cause.

@s.m.7018 2 жыл бұрын

The US and Europe need to continue as equal partners without one being the Senior or junior partner in security and trade.

@iI_Principe 2 жыл бұрын

Sori siitä

@micumatrix 2 жыл бұрын

Starlink helps Ukrainians with the communication on the battlefield. It’s a win-win situation, because Elon Musk gets huge positive press and praise before the IPO of this company and the Ukrainians have a secure communication way that gives with it bandwith a big plus. On the other side Musk puts his system under huge stresstest and can work to improve this system. I also think you would not hear anything bad from Ukraine about this system, even if it isn’t working as well as advertised.

@aaron2709 2 жыл бұрын

I suppose it depends on definitions but there are really no 'autonomous' weapons. There is always a person 'aiming' the weapon... even a computer virus, even propaganda. Weapons technology has often focused on being able to hurt/kill from greater and greater distances... club, to spear, to arrow, to bullet, to rocket... but there's still people aiming, just from greater distances.

@andyreznick 2 жыл бұрын

I get what you are saying but that may be changing...

@aaron2709 2 жыл бұрын

@@andyreznick Tech will eventually get there but I think we're a long way from AI actually choosing who to kill. Humans will (should) be very reluctant to give this determination to a machine.

@andyreznick 2 жыл бұрын

@@aaron2709 I agree on the human side. Sadly, those focused on power at any price are focused on the most efficient paths to domination. Anyway, I hope you are right and I am wrong. I think the next step will be that humans make broad ranging and general target lists and machines prioritize, implement and update them more accurately and quickly than any human could. Cyber warfare in this environment will be savage.

@imnotanalien7839 2 жыл бұрын

Critical discussion ….Biotechnology, ie. genetic manipulation of virus’s is going on presently with technology like CRISPR (gene editing), and biotechnology is now a worldwide event. And, although ‘rules of war’ are important.. the ‘winners of war’… are usually the guys with the superior technology… and they usually don’t share or acknowledge their new weapons… even if the weapons escape and spread around the world. We are in a frightening new world.

@stephaniewaters1777 2 жыл бұрын

Second post! Sorry .. child of the 90s .. it's an impulse in us. Thank you for another informative and thoughtful video.

@remyheinis Жыл бұрын

But, just theorical, If the Geneva conventions, was an agreement from 1860... Almost none of the country that signed it are "dead" or were "dead", it's like saying that France could use Napolenic rules in modern world, not the same France, or during USSR, not same countries... is it re signed every year? Every 10, 50 years ?

@remyheinis Жыл бұрын

Once total war, it's survival, life or death, no more rules, Ukrain is in survival mode...

@mikecorrigan4243 Жыл бұрын

Any agreement is only useful if the entities who sign them follow through and do what they agreed. I don't think a Geneva Convention type of agreement would mean much nowadays as madmen bet their nations on their own personal dreams and visions of granduer and have to much to use and little interest in humanitarian rights of prisoners. And its not just Russia who are butchers. Plenty of other nations have breached the Geneva Convention or found ways around it.

@oscarmora4602 Жыл бұрын

Ahhh

@wvereijssen9449 2 жыл бұрын

comment.

@kevinharries9513 2 жыл бұрын

How could rules be applied while an active war continues ? The new technologies are the advantage for any army providing they can make their own rules. And.. Once any standards are created they must be adhered to which, as we currently see , example of russian blatantly ignoring basic human rights. Good luck inforcing since the old saying is Rules are meant to broken.

@carlroberts4963 Жыл бұрын

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@ontheland5055 2 жыл бұрын

Okay. But, the rules we have got are being completely disregarded. The dropping of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima surely was a fragrant violation of the rules of war. The fire bombing of cities in WW2. No-one will be held accountable so no-one cares. Isn't it more important to be talking about enforcing international conventions. But, then again, does the US ecognize the international war crimes tribunal? I wonder if we should not start with reforming the UN, and in particular the Security Council. Now I see this is exactly what Lucie Valasco is suggesting as you sign off.. But, she doesn't say Security Council. That's where we have to start.

@charleslaird870 2 жыл бұрын

I found this to be disappointing. It was a theoretical exercise that has little to do with current reality. By its own definition the GC does not exist re. technology. The end. Now, how is current technology being used in the battle space? What are the predictable outcomes such as the economic impact of tech sanctions on Russia in the short and long term?

@jansix4287 2 жыл бұрын

Current reality has little to do with theoretical power vectors. On the ground they’re fighting with 50-year old tanks, but the global order is endangered by cyberwar against critical infrastructure.

@Ivan-fs7go 2 жыл бұрын

The technology is just a tool. A gun is a technology. Owning gun doesn't make you a killer but having the information how to use it and trigger the action does. The modern technology can calculate well, can make predictions/decisions and can evolve its decision making capability by itself. An advanced AI can change its decision to trigger or not a specific action. If we want to survive as human race, our defence is not sharing with AI the information how do deface the human race / individuals or ban the creation of decision making AI system. The most powerful AI systems are privately owned and the ownership of those entities is secured by patents and laws. The most powerful of those privately owned companies are having more resources than some of the countries in the world. They was allowed to develop such a systems as part of the espionage programs developed by the military powers like USA, China, Russia and so on with the idea the Government to control them. The data collected from the people around the world is the base for the creation of the most powerful weapon in the world. Actually with the current laws you cannot stop an entity to create AI that will deface the human race for example. Even they do this by mistake. Just the laws frame created by the rich to serve the rich is having only one outcome - the machines will rule us all due to corrupted and greedy people that are selling our destiny for money. Money are representing power. I mean you'll never stop the wars until you change the possibly someone to be more powerful than other. Today Putin, tomorrow someone else. All this because we find acceptable that a human can use other humans power. Until we use the monetary system and accept the private ownership we will never change and we are doomed to repeat the same mistakes killing each other for money and power.

@jfk-shotbybanksters479 Жыл бұрын

lots of people are waking up because of the so called "barbaric times of war" , wich seem to have started this year - right ? and before that we used to had peace all along the way through Afganistan, Lybia, Irak.... what a shitty bias

@pavlopaavo6144 2 жыл бұрын

This is the crappiest episode so far. Two bureaucrats/scientists talking calmly about data privacy while Ukrainian children are being barbarically killed, raped and deported. This talk is just ridiculous and pathetic rubbish

@daniellarson3068 2 жыл бұрын

It is kind of silly. They make up rules that Russia will ignore.

@jansix4287 2 жыл бұрын

This war with obsolete cold-war era weapons is pathetic. The legal responsibilities of unmanned drone strikes are burning questions of the international humanitarian law, which seeks to limit the effects of armed conflict.

@russianpatriot2022 Жыл бұрын

The best way for you to show the world and to teach the world how bad Russia is, that you show us the Finnish Constitution and the economic development of Finland under the 100-year Finland was under the Russian rule. If you don't show the world that, you will come across as a liar of great proportions. It is up to you.

@ianthesiow3013 2 жыл бұрын

United States call it "Liberation" instead of "Invasion". That was what US call it in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia and the list goes on... Why the double standard? Confused... Please enlighten. Genuine question... Instances of the United States "liberated" or overthrowing, or attempting to overthrow, a foreign government since the Second World War. (* indicates successful ouster of a government) China 1949 to early 1960s Albania 1949-53 East Germany 1950s Iran 1953 * Guatemala 1954 * Costa Rica mid-1950s Syria 1956-7 Egypt 1957 Indonesia 1957-8 British Guiana 1953-64 * Iraq 1963 * North Vietnam 1945-73 Cambodia 1955-70 * Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 * Ecuador 1960-63 * Congo 1960 * France 1965 Brazil 1962-64 * Dominican Republic 1963 * Cuba 1959 to present Bolivia 1964 * Indonesia 1965 * Ghana 1966 * Chile 1964-73 * Greece 1967 * Costa Rica 1970-71 Bolivia 1971 * Australia 1973-75 * Angola 1975, 1980s Zaire 1975 Portugal 1974-76 * Jamaica 1976-80 * Seychelles 1979-81 Chad 1981-82 * Grenada 1983 * South Yemen 1982-84 Suriname 1982-84 Fiji 1987 * Libya 1980s Nicaragua 1981-90 * Panama 1989 * Bulgaria 1990 * Albania 1991 * Iraq 1991 Afghanistan 1980s * Somalia 1993 Yugoslavia 1999-2000 * Ecuador 2000 * Afghanistan 2001 * Venezuela 2002 * Iraq 2003 * Haiti 2004 * Somalia 2007 to present Honduras 2009 * Libya 2011 * Syria 2012 Ukraine 2014 * Pakistan 2022 *

@benghazi4216 2 жыл бұрын

Of course this isn't a genuine question. Go away you Russian troll

@moritamikamikara3879 2 жыл бұрын

Ok Ruskii