thanks, would appreciate a share!

Thanks and I agree. Plenty of circuit people who haven't ever had to catch a slide and with ESC on never will. Just got to learn high slip angles are fun not fast on bitumen!

Best of luck! Please share!

Thanks please share 👍

Glad you think so!

That'd be amazing to watch!!!

I used to carry a bag of horse pellets in the front of my Beetle for the same reason.

Negatory. Handbrake always induces oversteer. Understeer indicates a minimal Handbrake situation. Quick reflexes save the day not underperforming

@@luislongoria6621 the last sentence i wrote understeer wrongly, that is oversteer. english is not my native language, sorry :)

Sure, example of lift-over oversteer is in the Traction Circle video -> kzfaq.info/get/bejne/msBjZq57lsnQj5c.html The way to counter it is to brake less into the corner; so when you turn in there's more weight on the rear wheels, and also less demand for lateral traction. But, it's huge fun to oversteer INTO a corner under brakes, and also really fast when done right as you get the car rotated nicely. Hugely satisfying. If it happens a lot the front/rear grip balance and/or wheel alignment needs work. Tyre pressures, camber, toe, front/rear spring relative spring rates, front/rear swaybar stiffness etc etc.

Lifting is understeer, no worries. Firmly apply the throttle and steer in the direction you want to go

Thanks, but I think I won't be adding that to the technique list just yet :-)

@L2SFBC 😄 hopefully no body takes my advice seriously.

Lifting the throttle won't work if you're already off it...

Any abrupt change can do more harm than good so they are correct to some degree but inducing oversteer in FWD from power understeer is unlikely especially if you are smooth and reduce just a little.

That might actually help in an academic situation. Not really useful for real world scenarios though, because the feel, feedback and modularity of the handbrake is usually not good enough. After all these things happen in split seconds... However, it is applied in rallying!

Agreed...handbrake is usually to induce something. It is too slow to be corrective action. You need have reacted before you hand gets to the lever. Same reason I don't talk about gear changes. Car control like this is done with pedals and steering wheel.

@@L2SFBC Good points both!

Think how a drift car is set up with a hydraulic rear override handbrake to swing the rear out ..... probably get you into more mischief.

By LFB you are braking the rear wheels but not the front as they are still rotating due to power. This increases the grip demand on the rear without changing the grip demand on the front, therefore reducing understeer.

@@L2SFBC ohh I understand. So throttle is applied whilst braking. Thanks for clearing that up for me

Yes that's right

Didn't I cover that?

@@L2SFBC not sure. To your Defense...I was browsing through the video and my impression was it had two sections: understeer when braking and understeer when accelerating. Might be my mistake...

Hmm maybe I did miss understeer no power or brakes. Well that's easy. Reduce steering angle, ease of throttle, wait for grip!

Depends on the situation but I would say it's just a different combination of actions .... less steer then gentle brake to shift weight ...? look up the older rally method of 'Left Foot Brake' this was before stability, traction control and ABS.

Do whatever you need to in order to get that traction circle under control!

What do you mean the racing car mentality doesn't work?

@@L2SFBC Hey Robert I'm talking about trying all manner of racing type manoeuvres when you can simply take you foot of the accelerator and push the clutch pedal in. The car will stop doing what you don't want it to do and then you can select first gear and move off again all very safely.

Hmm not necessarily. Cutting drive may be the worst thing to do.

If anybody ever comes across this, trevor was most likely talking about very low speed understeer as shown on the skidpad videos. The Video/Robert is talking about understeer in actual driving and potentially racing, so probably 30km/h+. Do *NOT* engage the clutch during understeer(unless you are a professional and now exactly what you are doing), this is very very very dangerous because it removes enginebreaking in an instant, this can upset the car and will most likely increase understeer.