Get well soon dude.

Thanks!

Hoping you get well soon. Thanks for the video!

its a vampire movie not a marvel movie. Sue vlad the impeller.

I dipped out of the series pretty early since I was always more on the Werewolf side and I didn't think this series gave them much of a fair shake, I didn't even know about Rise of the Lycan and now I need to watch the hell out of it. Thank for this vid, I really enjoy your work on long established series that I would not normally have any interest in. I hope you get better soon too btw.

I can't accept what they did to him. So unfair!

I hate that Lycans wore bad guys

Michael was overpowered....

@@BEASTNYC how? His only victories were against weakend lycans , inclouding a weaknd william but got beaten by victor and Marcus to near-death

honestly, they should have stopped at the second movie. or at least at the prequel about Lucian. that way the franchise would be almost perfect for what it had set out to achieve.

Totally. 2000-2008 had it's identity while now there's barely any personality at all. Miss those times. There's barely any atmosphere now days.

@Orlokk Noxx this has to be the dumbest comment of the night. You trying to blame inclusivity for the lack of originality in Hollywood is bottom tier behaviour. Do better.

I blame cancel culture

@@leafyfeathers That makes no sense.

@@Disconnect350 I would take it back a few years earlier, as I think Blade and then The Matrix were the beginning of that particular cinematic period.

Now if you watch trailers they basically show you the entire films plog.along with promoting 4 5 scenes before it comes out.the way they promote films now ruins the entire experience.

Tbf, that is one of the best ways to see it. Underworld always benefitted from the big screen.

I had really low expectations after watching a "documentary" on TV that turned out to be a bad promo for the movie. But now it's one of my favorites. In a way, genre movies have never been better than late 90s-mid 2000s.

Also THAT FUCKING OUTFIT. That is all.

It looks totally awesome. And it's what Deadpool coined to be a "superhero landing". But it takes a superhero to walk away from it. I recently fell down almost 5 meters and managed to land on my feet, like a superhero. But I didn't walk away from it. Instead I went to the hospital and one of my feet was bolted together with plates and screws.

hello fellow underworld enjoyer

Yes 🤣

I love underworld so much but I think Michael should have met his daughter Eve they're would've have been awesome father daughter duo

A Blade/Underworld crossover wouldn’t make sense because both franchises and universes have their own different mythos and versions of vampires. I don’t think every single studio of a franchise should constantly be doing crossovers with something else just because Marvel studios made it popular/possible. It’s like the studios are being the stereotypical moody and lonely teenagers desperately wanting to fit in the popular zone. No need for that. Just stick to being yourself even if it’s not popular. Am I right?

Personally, I think if it came out today, it would have been received way better with some adjustments...at least it would have been better than The Mummy

I just hate how useless the character of Kate Beckinsale was in that movie.

Oh I still do.

Killer flick

it's one of my favorite vampire movies and i was so confused when i found out it was generally disliked. i can't even imagine the problems people have with it. it's such a cheesy love letter to Hammer Horror.

Agreed

Because he's "craven" for some blood?

Everything is lacking style now :c

@@thotslayer9914 ofc

@@thotslayer9914 I don't know you and I doubt we share similar interests tbh.

@@Alice_Typhon Hahahaha you was almost another notch on the thot slayers belt. Nice dodge

@@thotslayer9914 maybe try to be less of a total and complete creep...

@@thotslayer9914 you down bad😪

@@thotslayer9914 Still here? Yes. Still trendy and bankable? Nuh-uh.

@@thotslayer9914 reading comprehension isn't really your thing is it? OP was specifically talking about the "post-goth emo era." Which as the phrase implies had it's roots in the goth subculture, but became it's own distinct entity. And yes the emos were ridiculed out of relevance by the wider culture.

I disagree with the OP. I think Lycans was a great movie, better than Evolution. The problem with Awakening wasn't lack of franchise continuity, it was that it wasn't as good as the previous movies. Anyway, I think the first three make a good trilogy.

@@aweigh1010 yeah, about that.. punks were always dumb, so we know were this is going, but if you are talking about goth as a culture, they actually don't exist anymore, the closest that there is headbangers, and to be honest headbangers "ideology" if it happens to have one is all about metal itself... is already dying tough, something like this centered around music require gathering (usually in metal concerts) and since the world stop functioning to allow this... Funny tough, most headbangers i know are right wingers... maybe all that viking metal is starting to pay off...

@@thotslayer9914 Oh No!

This is the correct answer to anyone questioning why someone would like Underworld. Also.. Beckinsale.. perhaps two correct answers.

@@mattgilbert7347 hahaha I was more about Scott Speedman, but yes. Sexy vampires in tight black leather fighting badass werewolves in awesome action scenes blatantly ripped off from the Matrix? Hell yes. Also: Bill Nighy lol

Exactly! I see it as just a super fun Halloween movie (even if it's only vaguely related to Halloween season). And the basic plot is fine enough, so it's not like it's complete nonsense.

I thought about it for a minute, and yeah no I guess you're right

What about Hellsing? Or Vampire Hunter D?

@@criminalsaint9611 oh man I'd love a well made world of darkness show

What about what we do in the shadows

@@criminalsaint9611 Not gonna lie, playing Bloodlines and getting into Vampire the Masquerade TTRPG has kind of ruined other vampire media for me, with the exception of What We Do in Shadows, obviously. anytime I watch or read anything to do with vampires, my mind always goes to "oh this reminds me of this one thing in VtM" or "VtM did this thing better" and I end up just really wanting to see a faithful live action adaptations of VtM and the World of Darkness. But yeah, VtM is the goat when its comes to vampire franchises.

I'm pretty sure he meant it FELT like a continuity break not that it literally was.

@@nathanhird-younger5151 It didn't to me. This is ancient vampire lore, with the rise of the big bads and big heroes of that lore. It only made sense to me the very first time I saw the scene, that of course they would all be awake in that timeline. No matter what the elders being awake or sleeping in orders in the centuries in recent times. So to me, people who even so much as bring up a point like that, only show to me, that for some reason, they are being deliberately obtuse, or completely unobservant to a high degree to make the criticism at all. Feeling like a continuity break, or being a continuity break, are both very flawed criticisms.

@@adrianbundy3249 I just made a very similar comment that points out the obvious time period. Glad to see that someone else has eyes and some common sense.

It seems more obtuse latveria to make excuses for franchise that is perfectly to retcon out previous material in other to fit with the most recent movie.

Glad someone pointed that out.

Movie history? How old are you? Rhetorical. Obviously you've never seen The Howling. The first movie (only the first) in the franchise has the best. Second is American Werewolf in London. Here endeth the lesson.

@@ip3887 The Howling werewolf has huge goofy ears tho , which look somewhat comical. No doubt American werewolf in london has the most gruesome , classic werewolf transformation. However, William's design does best both werewolf classics overall.

Come on guys, you may not like it, but we all know that teen wolf is what peak performance werewolf body looks like.

William was great, but i personally prefer Van Helsing werewolf.

Fun fact:Underworld is a way better vampire-werewolf franchise than %#$&ing Twilight. Anyone agree?

Maaan, a video about VtM by IPoS would be a dream! 😫

Stealing from one thing is plagiarism - stealing little bits from a lot of things is research and influence, it reads like a joke but the difference is losing a court case. They’re not equivalent instances.

My confusion is whether or not VtM was large enough for Sony to have even noticed in 2003. Not to dismiss the importance of proper IP research before you throw $22 Million at a project and it's definitely a mess up on Sony's part, but I imagine it was more difficult at the time to search "vampire vs werewolf" and VtM to specifically come up. And to entirely take the piss, the idea that vampires fighting werewolves in a modernized gothic industrial setting just doesn't seem unique. Pretty sure Batman did that in the 70's. Edit: I should note, this is entirely from a point of ignorance when it comes to VtM. Like, I know of it because I play D&D and visited the comic shop a lot, but VtM didn't seem like something you knew about unless you specifically sought it out.

The issue between the world of darkness and underworld is that Werewolves are so damn broken when it comes to power compared to Vampires. Like Vampire need to either be very strong outright and or get the drop on one. Since most Vampire's powers are deluded yet Wolves are like just as good as the ones from centuries ago. In Underworld, there's pretty much even due to them being basically the same family. WoD was inspired by basically everything when you look into the others like Hunter, Mage, Mummy and Demon there's even a zombie one. It feels like a Kettle getting caught with a lot of pots when said kettle wanna cry foul.

@@shubniggurath3255 I would watch a miniseries like the history of horror comics but with Vampire The Masquerade, it would be awesome

That first description fits Blade pretty well too

That does sound heavenly

I don't know if you have any interest in tabletop games, but you'd probably like Vampire The Masquerade.

Yeah, these things are very common in WoD (Vampire the Masquerade, Werewolf the Apocalypse, Changeling the Gathering, Wraith -Oblivion, Mummy -Resurrection, etc). Typical Sabbat feast. The first Blade movie was heavily ”inspired” by V:tM. They even used Bradfords artwork from the books as concept art etc.

@@ezeziel1498 A Blade/Underworld crossover wouldn’t make sense because both franchises and universes have their own different mythos and versions of vampires. I don’t think every single studio of a franchise should constantly be doing crossovers with something else just because Marvel studios made it popular/possible. It’s like the studios are being the stereotypical moody and lonely teenagers desperately wanting to fit in the popular zone. No need for that. Just stick to being yourself even if it’s not popular. Right?

Now that you’ve mentioned it I see the resemblance too

Check out Split Second, a 1992 movie staring Rutger Hauer.

@@chriswiltz6860 I will, thank you!

Can recommend Altered Carbon, not quite horror though

Cyberpunk 2077 Underworld mod... if Ciri (wich is basically a badass version White Snow in the Witcher series) is in the game, why not vampires and werewolves?

@@chriswiltz6860 will do! It’s in KZfaq too kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hbGfZdymx9DIpZc.html

"I don't know what to do about this virus, fuck it. Turn off death." - his immune system

I'll never understand why they consider that silly. It's fantasy, as long as it has internal consistency anything goes

I thought something similar when he mentioned the immune system immortality thing lmao

According to Kraven in the first movie, Victor's rule was to feed on animals that he secretly broke himself. This was the reason for Victor going out and killing Selene's family and blaming it on lycans before introducing William's prison in the second movie. I know at least some of the human prisoners given to the vampires were turned into lycans before Lucian's rebellion. I also remember a human in the third movie calling Victor out on also being a monster, implying that they were at least trying to keep being vampires secret, and probably the real reason they don't feed off humans normally/openly. And then of course we have the cloned blood by the time of the first movie that no one ever mentions again that they've had for X amount of time...

I'm just picturing Anne Rice, meat cleaver in hand, stood over Vampire the Masquerade, which is standing over Underworld with another meat cleaver

@@VickyTheVickname I half agree. NO 13 clans in Anne Rice. No Cain. No magic. Or werewolves, or antediluvians, or hunters, But yes they did have a Demon (evil spirit) create the first vampire and what happens to her happens to all her progeny. so meh. altho I haven't read past 7 or so maybe 8. but I did read her failed new vampire series with Lestat's son? and Pandora (which was pretty good).

@Brian Keys There kind of is magic in Rice's vampire novels; it's just sort of in the background and kept tangential to the main story. The Talamasca studies magic (along with everything else) and the series shares the same universe as the Mayfair books.

"Skyrim - Dawnguard: Hold my mead" Amusingly it started with Elderscrolls II: Daggerfall in 1996, thanks to some of the Devs running a VTM PnP game. Sadly it never got fully implemented as intended and the limited number of quests are buged out causing you to only get contacted by your clan once a year in the base game.

@@briankeys5941 The vampire vs werewolf was a World of Darkness thing. Cain is more of a myth in WOD lore, as well.

Then blood wars came out... 🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮

Yeah, that’s also why the first movie got delayed in it’s release. They got sued and couldn’t release the movie until they’d settled that with White Wolf.

The honesty in this comment is fantastic

me too.

This present single, twenty something feels a bit jealous lol

As a teen back then with no transportation, and left at the mercy of those with no interest who had to make do with waiting for the tv release am jealous.

There are many of us who coped with loss via this franchise. I think I'll watch it again and do some more..um.."coping".

Yeah, while I agree how they are portrayed often, you'd think they'd be a little beyond such things. Not saying they need to be monks either but they live for so long that you'd think it wouldn't be that important to them. I prefer the more stoic types.

There was one vampire that had this vice in the film. It's also hinted in the first film and is associated with bad guys. It's a vice in this series, i think, just as love is also highlighted as a virtue.

i dont care either way but i hate how they always try to make blood sexual. eww. i love a movie with atmosphere and mythology. these movies are pure escapism. they dont feature a lot of human interaction but i think that really lets you escape into the society more.

If you didn't find this movie sexual you weren't fapping hard enough

Yh but then we wouldn't have gotten a movie and Kate think about Kate

Thanks for the hilarious image that put in my head hahaha.

@@Corn_Beef_Boss oh I do quite often

It's also the cinematography that was taken directly from the players manual images. The makers of Blade also stole from White Wolf, they admit to having used the players manuals during the writing and filming as style guides. Nancy Collins sued for copywrite infringement because they stole from a story she wrote for White Wolf

@@erinswitzer2744 Absolutely. Blade itself entirely lifted one image from the Vampire The Masquerade main rulebook, down to the sun glasses and blood drops and leather jacket! 🤪👈

The whole thing would bother me less if Bloodlines 2 hadn't just imploded!

The shame is that we never got the chance to get a real proper adaptation of the games. Maybe they couldn't because Aaron Spelling had the rights XD

@@erinswitzer2744 the Blood Pack from the 2nd(?) Blade movie was a Sabbat coterie…a Sabbat pack, actually.

Tbh I enjoyed blood wars a lot more than awakening (mainly cause I found the plot about humans intervening the war boring) but the ending for blood wars was pure 🗑🚮🗑🚮

I agree about female-led fantasy action movies. Underworld and Resident Evil were my jam. And what do we have now? Black Widow making an occasional cameo appearance in a Marvel movie, and overrated wooden-acted WW films. Despite the delusional accusations of "wokeness", Hollywood has really not given us kick-ass girl movie franchises like those of the 2000s.

Sweetheart, the world didn't start to spin after you are born, you know? Female protagonists didn't just become a thing only before you was born, i grow up watching Elen "badass" Ripley burning aliens to death, i also had my first crush on a vampire in the old 80's movie Lifeforce (who doesn't love a beautiful super powerful naked space vampire) altough in this case, she was more a antagonist (but more like a force of nature). Also, Red Sonja? Never heard of it? Old, really old character from the universe of Conan... and the most CLASSICAL character of all (and it is really a real historical figure) Saint Joan D'Ark... Female protagonists were always present (both in movies and in real life), it's probably just you who never had an interest, never try to see some older movies like Lifeforce, or the original Alien trilogy, it isn't any WONDER why so many teenage girls this days think the world is ALWAYS oppressing you! YOU KNOW NOTHING about the past! How could you expect change a world for better if you DON'T EVEN KNOW THE HISTORY of your world? Not even from MOVIES that is something you like? Stop reading Jesebel or whatever feminist bs you are reading, this ain't going to help you... Also, Wonder Woman was a series in tv since the 80's?

So if they don't look like you, you can't follow? Not surprising for this generation. Question. If you have to signal virtue are you really virtuous? Rhetorical question. Of course you're not.

Kind of a shame how heroines and lead females like Selene are now a rarity in action movies. Now we just got sh*tty entiled humans like Brie Larson going around demanding respect. Kate Beckinsale earned my respect for being a badass. I can confidently say Selene the Deathdealer is up on my pedestal with Ellen Ripley, Sarah Connor, and the Black Widow.

Lucian clearly didn't hate Vampires, just Victor. I'd say at most, he was indifferent to Vampires. I mean, hell, the blending of the species' would have ended the war. But yes, he was using Kraven, who simply was a powerhungry weakling. Kraven thought he would become "elder" after the others where killed and he'd rule the vampires.

@@Mukation It's more that Lucian didn't hate the idea of vampires--given that he originally grew-up thinking that they were his superiors, and, of-course, his falling in love with Sonja and fathered a half-vampire child (albeit, one that never made it to term)--but he hated the vampires out-&-about, representing Viktor's regime, after the events of 'Rise of the Lycans'.

YES!

That’s one that I’m really wanting to do sometime in the future, probably the next really big project that I do. I’ve been excited to make that for a while.

I would like a History of Werewolves because they don't get as much attention as they deserve

@@ZelphTheWebmancer The History of Frankenstein is the neglected Frankenberry cereal of the lot.

noooo but we don't just want the vampire x werewolf x zombie mash up, we want the crossover of the underworld and resident evil *franchises.* :(

Which is odd cosidering some of the plot points.

@@fightingmedialounge519 Which ones specifically?

@@alexandriacollins7119 like selina's kid being able to see through the eyes of her parents.

@@fightingmedialounge519 Well, while being-able to see through each-others eyes is a little too-far, it's based off-of the fact that, like twins, Marcus and William, could sense each-other when they were within proximity, so-too could Eve with her parents, due to, both, the close blood-relations to each-other *AND* due to the increasing complexity to their hybrid-strains, like a wireless network connection. P.S.: Her name's "Selene", not "Selina". ^^;

@@alexandriacollins7119 there's a significant difference between the gentic similarity between twins and a child and their parents. Also you just compared a genetic strain to a wireless connection. Are you starting to see how trying to make the powers scientific becomes more unbelievable as the series went on.

It went way deeper than that. Research the really large werewolf's actor from the beginning of the movie and you'll see how it was actually kind of messed up.

I played Werewolf the Apocalypse and dabbled in Vampire the Masquerade for about 25 years now. The movie's screenplay was basically a 90% percent match to a couple of books written by the author mentioned in the lawsuit. Supposedly the large werewolf in the movie was a avid fan of role-playing games for years and was also one of the screen writers. He figured that since the game series was so underground, Sony could get away with the plagiarism. It was actually pretty brutal behind the scenes. The white-wolf website had a lot of the evidence and a petition until they settled. It's actually funny because for years I talked about this subject amd no one believed me lmao.

Not really. Action horror has been popular concept in Japan for centuries. That's why you see so many Japanese ghost stories referenced in recent media.

The Selene establishing shot reminds me a lot of The Crow, for that matter.

Nemesis rules. Albert Pyun needs more respect.

Wow, thanks for making me aware of this film! Looks like they tried to compete with Total Recall on a tenth of the budget, but there are lots of imaginative touches. If I may return the favor, have you seen *Max Headroom: 20 Minutes Into the Future?* (never released to home video, and not to be confused with the later TV series) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l8CJYNyCvrzKY2w.html

Tokyo ghoul has more in common with traditional ghouls rather than traditional vampires.

And it’s also more of a VTM rip off than Underworld.

Totally. I miss our straight forward Rock and Roll Vampires. I wish Masquerade would take another run at a tv series, in a post GoT media world, they wouldn't have to hold back, in format or rating.

@@jrobertlysaght yeah, werewolves and vampires haven't been seen or used at all lately, but i am quite interested in the upcoming werewolf the apocalypse game coming out.

@@DaxterL i feel like before underworld i had never seen vampires vs werewolves. it was a novelty for me. the mythology of these movies are very interesting as well. im ready for some more vampire stuff too.

It being everywhere and it being done with such detail are entirely different points.

oh also fantastic video and I love your channel

I'm not a lesbian.

I mean with Beckinsale in skin tight, spandex... who wouldn't be!

Def very gay to be obsessed with these movies in middle school

Probably one of the best sentences I've ever read xD

Only elders ageins younger Lycans vampire and Lycan on a same level Lycan usualy stomps

Lol. Vampires in so many things are overpowered. My personal favorite is the Originals, from the TVD verse, where they are generally stupidly more overpowered than anything in underworld, Klaus and co probably even beat with Selene in the form she had at the end of Blood Wars where she was a blur. And believe it or not, the ones in Underworld are far, far weaker than some other types of vampires in a vast number of stories with them. There are some where they might as well be full fledged magic users with the power to destroy cities with it (for the life of me, I cannot recall the series, it has been far too damn long). Heck, now since I am thinking of it, the recentish movie Dracula Untold, he is practically soloing armies with his vampire bat swarm. But take all that overpoweredness out, and just where you are talking about beating these lycans with their bare hands? Without being totally visually broken, overpowering huge groups with a hand wave, but rather normal looking? Some of the vampires in Buffy would probably wipe the floor with these Lycans too mind you. At least the boss level ones as things started to ramp up in difficulty after Buffy's early bouts, and they would have looked smaller to while also being able to be victor like, in casually overpowering lycans with strength and speed in a human sized package. And besides, if anything, vampires in general are nothing compared to the other mythical overpowered beasts of mythology, or horror fiction tropes like this... What am I talking about? Witches. Witches in so much media have so much untold powers of ridiculousness that in their overpowered forms (like Sabrina the teenage witch), can even have time altering spells. History changing spells. Immortality spells. Anything you can think of that is completely broken, they can do it. Because, MAGIC. Want to kill a vampire that moves at blur speeds and is practically immortal? Oh, I can probably make a spell for that. Sure, there are a lot of witches in horror media that is much more down to earth than that, and we even have ones from Oz that can be beaten by water, lol. But in general, where media is concerned where they are at their best, vampires have nothing on witches. Or magic users in general, but witches are the things that come to mind for this specific comparison.

@@adrianbundy3249 my favorite are real world wersion were prety much al of it is releted vampires lycans are all just whiches or black magician s who raise from the beon the grave as a undead immortal s they can drain your energy drink your blood and eat you hole they can show as a gosts and physical form they can change in to a difrent forms and animals( lycantropy)... And so much more to me they are creepy and scary powerfful and at a same time can be repeled they have weakneses as all things should

In most fights, the lycans won. Selene had centuries of experience of hunting and killing lycans. And she use her silver weaponry and her agility to defeat lycans as brute force wouldn't work against most lycans.

@@lostinthestorywithjeremymi9385 I think before she drank Alexander Circinus blood she was able to hold a Lycan back for a little while more so than other vampires as she was turned directly by Victor, the second vampire

Thanks, I’m really glad you liked it! I possibly will in the future, but if I do it will be a part of a larger video topic instead of its own thing if that makes sense? I love the show but there are great videos made on it, so I would like to talk about it but I would probably do so through the lens of a broad topic I think.

@@InPraiseofShadows Makes total sense. A thematic approach would indeed suit the show quite well. Thanks for your answer and have a good week-end!

I really try to put vampires in a futuristic setting, like a space station like the Citadel, finally see the sunlight even if it fake or in the Freelancer universe, the problem is, if you set vampires in the future, your characters always must be a younger vampire, and that have been done to death, but older vampires would be OP, so it wont be any conflict, because they are way to old.

@@TheKeyser94 Well you could always add some cosmic horror style aliens against OP elder vampires

@@rb.6322 I already doing that in a science fiction/fantasy series with a mesh of Lovecraftian squid nightmare, Onryos and the Thirdspace aliens from Babylon 5, they are the treat in the background, meanwhile the galaxy is at war, but when they find their herald or general (like in Berserk), their is nothing would stop their fleets.

@Zombobo Smith haha I was one of those people. I still don't know how they messed that up. Hollywood was given peanut butter and jelly and they gave us shit

@Zombobo Smith I mean, Alien and Predator is still a very compatible franchise, the movies just didn't take a very good direction with it. They should have just had it take place in Alien's timeline and structured it like an Aliens movie but with a Predator thrown in.

@Zombobo Smith Why would you rather have another screw up followed by no movies, than have a movie that's actually done well?

@Zombobo Smith True, but it's still a workable concept. I think the movie Pitch Black kind of shows that the concept can work, and was probably closer to what an AvP movie should be, than any of the actual AvP movies.

I don't think Selene would actively be trying to kill her own species.