Unicorn Overlord: How Ogre Battle Mechanics Were Evolved (Mostly.)
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Күн бұрынThis is shockingly the brief version. The amount of things they've improved on is honestly staggering, especially with how brilliant many of those implementations were. The Legion mechanic started this thought train, and yet it became this long. There's just more and more. I love this.
Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
2:02 MOTBQ Formations
4:02 Box Art
4:49 Mermaids
6:48 Mounts (To clarify, MOTBQ any flying slot made the team fly. In OB64, you needed the whole team to fly. In UO, the commander has to fly.)
9:15 Lanes (I forgot to mention how Symphony of War managed to find a use for a third row through ambushes. For that matter, I forgot to mention that OB64 started the wood line stealth mechanic.)
11:00 Permadeath
11:53 Fireworks
13:14 MOTBQ Intro and Versions
15:20 Some Class Comparisons
16:20 Towns and Focus
17:40 Reputation
18:45 Stamina and Cards
19:55 Game Flow (To get the best of both worlds, you would go back in free roam to claim towns after the fight.)
22:58 Cockatrice
23:51 Tropes Aversion
24:48 Game Flow MOTBQ again
25:32 I Command An Army of Tigers
26:00 Tarot Cards Became Field Items (In retrospect, pierce moves and range swaps serve the same role as Moon. Fool and Fortune are mentioned as similar to Ash and Barricades because they can be used for emergency HQ saves.)
28:20 Commands into Gambits
29:48 Ogre Battle 64 Time, Baby! (What you realistically came here for.)
31:20 Ringed Walls and Wall Mechanics
32:00 Just Ogre 64 Things
33:55 Scarlett was in Ogre Battle 64
35:35 Equipment
36:55 Speedruns and Combo Attacks, but I get distracted and go off on a crackhead tangent
38:00 Items, Gear, Slots, and Classes
40:25 Random Director note
41:10 Ogre Vibes
42:10 Uniforms, Side quests, Hidden Content, and Towns, kinda
43:00 The 3x3 (Symphony of War added a stealth ambush mechanic, otherwise this mechanic doesn't add much here.)
44:00 Big Units
45:12 Art
46:00 Legacy of Skulltopus (Aka squad decapitation)
47:17 Zombification and Permadeath
47:50 More Item Mechanics
49:00 The Dangers of Unlimited Items (Funny note, you could infinite item dupe in 64 on complete accident.)
51:40 HELL YEAH LEGIONS (Rest, Fatigue, Combo, and Support Attack mechanics)
57:16 Synergy mechanic (The longer a squad works together, the better their odds of triggering a combo. One held item boosts this.)
58:30 Challenge Run Oddities
59:00 HELL YEAH LEGIONS CONTINUED (This video is a long excuse to talk about Legions.)
1:00:00 Death Chicken
1:01:00 Why Death Chicken Matters (Why Explained Mechanics turn BS into Gold)
1:05:20 Birthdays and Gifts (Feels like maybe Rapport will replace this)
1:07:10 Mental Anxiety Improvements
1:08:35 Map Mechanics and Size
1:10:24 Visual Notes
1:11:11 Managed to get an hour in before mentioning TOR
1:11:27 Custom Names
1:12:46 Pendra, the Magic Machine Gun, and how it became Valor, kinda (Hear me out)
1:14:59 Hugo Briefings and Josen Lessons
1:16:40 Hidden Levels, Age Mechanics...this was in the wrong spot.
1:18:22 Out-tro and Map Interactions
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@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
Timestamps: 0:00 Introduction 2:02 MOTBQ Formations 4:02 Box Art 4:49 Mermaids 6:48 Mounts (To clarify, MOTBQ any flying slot made the team fly. In OB64, you needed the whole team to fly. In UO, the commander has to fly.) 9:15 Lanes (I forgot to mention how Symphony of War managed to find a use for a third row through ambushes. For that matter, I forgot to mention that OB64 started the wood line stealth mechanic.) 11:00 Permadeath 11:53 Fireworks 13:14 MOTBQ Intro and Versions 15:20 Some Class Comparisons 16:20 Towns and Focus 17:40 Reputation 18:45 Stamina and Cards 19:55 Game Flow (To get the best of both worlds, you would go back in free roam to claim towns after the fight.) 22:58 Cockatrice 23:51 Tropes Aversion 24:48 Game Flow MOTBQ again 25:32 I Command An Army of Tigers 26:00 Tarot Cards Became Field Items (In retrospect, pierce moves and range swaps serve the same role as Moon. Fool and Fortune are mentioned as similar to Ash and Barricades because they can be used for emergency HQ saves.) 28:20 Commands into Gambits 29:48 Ogre Battle 64 Time, Baby! (What you realistically came here for.) 31:20 Ringed Walls and Wall Mechanics 32:00 Just Ogre 64 Things 33:55 Scarlett was in Ogre Battle 64 35:35 Equipment 36:55 Speedruns and Combo Attacks, but I get distracted and go off on a crackhead tangent 38:00 Items, Gear, Slots, and Classes 40:25 Random Director note 41:10 Ogre Vibes 42:10 Uniforms, Side quests, Hidden Content, and Towns, kinda 43:00 The 3x3 (Symphony of War added a stealth ambush mechanic, otherwise this mechanic doesn't add much here.) 44:00 Big Units 45:12 Art 46:00 Legacy of Skulltopus (Aka squad decapitation) 47:17 Zombification and Permadeath 47:50 More Item Mechanics 49:00 The Dangers of Unlimited Items (Funny note, you could infinite item dupe in 64 on complete accident.) 51:40 HELL YEAH LEGIONS (Rest, Fatigue, Combo, and Support Attack mechanics) 57:16 Synergy mechanic (The longer a squad works together, the better their odds of triggering a combo. One held item boosts this.) 58:30 Challenge Run Oddities 59:00 HELL YEAH LEGIONS CONTINUED (This video is a long excuse to talk about Legions.) 1:00:00 Death Chicken 1:01:00 Why Death Chicken Matters (Why Explained Mechanics turn BS into Gold) 1:05:20 Birthdays and Gifts (Feels like maybe Rapport will replace this) 1:07:10 Mental Anxiety Improvements 1:08:35 Map Mechanics and Size 1:10:24 Visual Notes 1:11:11 Managed to get an hour in before mentioning TOR 1:11:27 Custom Names 1:12:46 Pendra, the Magic Machine Gun, and how it became Valor, kinda (Hear me out) 1:14:59 Hugo Briefings and Josen Lessons 1:16:40 Hidden Levels, Age Mechanics...this was in the wrong spot. 1:18:22 Out-tro and Map Interactions
@rei1556 4 ай бұрын
the box art and even the title screen screams MotB especially the way the blue soldier look, the posing of that blue soldier just evokes MotB box art
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
Absolutely
@dustingorman8389 4 ай бұрын
I think this is the most anyone has talked about my Fav series/ game Ogre Battle 64 and god i hope we get multiple endings and story paths in Unicorn Overlord... also i really hope we get some combo magic in UO i loved all the crazy combo magic. I have so many font memories figuring out all the secrets like the first time getting the black knights or the lichs. also I miss that every weapon isnt a visual change on our characters in UO.
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
I think this may be as close as we're getting to that Ogre 3 dream, and it's looking fantastic.
@klissattack 4 ай бұрын
Ogre Battle 64 is definitely one of my tops too
@Ouvii 4 ай бұрын
I hope combo magic comes out too, though I fear the best we'll get is just cool items and smart unit builds. I mean, I'm not complaining, but I will say that realizing there was a whole group of spell combinations in OB64 was mind blowing.
@thelegacyofgaming2928 4 ай бұрын
I like how the "I will offer the gods lust" is always somewhere in the thumbnail 😂
@alexsnewhandle 4 ай бұрын
Have you seen Danika and SPOILERS? I get it tbh
@skykid 4 ай бұрын
it's been awhile since I've heard a grown man so exuberant over something for so long, it's somewhat adorable :)
@ttg889 4 ай бұрын
This channel is truly remarkable! The content is absolutely fantastic, and I can't get enough of it! The passion and hard work put into it is truly admirable. I'm eagerly counting down the days for the game release! Keep up the phenomenal work!
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
Will do, thank you!
@randomnpc8253 4 ай бұрын
I love Ogre Battle 64. When I was a kid, before guides were really a thing, all of the random events, coupled with how classes could evolve based on things that happened in combat, that you didn't really have 100% control over, really made it feel like you weren't a "hero" that the whole plot was centered around. Instead, the war was something happening to you, and you were doing the best you could with what was given to you. It made moments like the one with Dio fairly early on, or when certain Xenobiains straight up told me to #@&+ off, really impactful in a way I have always had trouble putting into words.
@ValeVin 4 ай бұрын
That moment where you cast an AoE fire spell on a shambling horde of unarmed zombies, and once the flames cleared, you now had burning skeletons wielding fiery battleaxes running at you. Or where your fire and lightning mages learned to combine magic and suddenly you were accidentally forging enemy stone golems into baldur golems. OB64 was a lot of fun.
@randomnpc8253 4 ай бұрын
Exactly
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
Absolutely, those are the kinds of moments that make me always tell people not to look at a guide. The series comes alive through confusion.
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
It *IS* always fun. I'm hoping we'll see combo shenanigans from Unicorn.
@ValeVin 4 ай бұрын
@@CoffeePotato If you're ever determined to do a guide on how bad the official OB64 print strategy guide is and can't find a copy, let me know, and I can loan you mine. I bought it for the cute chibi angel knight artwork... which is good, because the actual tips and hints are mostly wrong. Which adds to the mystique of the series. Heck, GameFAQs' guide on how to get Biske is missing something big. He fails to join as often as he actually joins if you follow it. I was starting to think he couldn't join you if you had Europea, then I checked my husband's Wii saved game and he got Europea and Biske, so I guess it is possible.
@Crezth 4 ай бұрын
thanks for keeping the sincere, direct, and quality commentary coming.
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
Thank You for watching it!
@TwinworldGameReviews 4 ай бұрын
The synergy mechanic was great in OB64. I loved when the wizards would team up and cast group magic instead of individual attacks.
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
It felt like something special.
@waah919 4 ай бұрын
I am very glad you are so excited about UO too my dude. Can't wait to binge this in a few days.
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
Soon!
@rainingrotom 4 ай бұрын
I've gotten a bunch of new content creators in my feed since the demo dropped and you've been one of the best for sure
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
Daww, thanks, I appreciate that! It's a fun hobby, just got lucky for the second time in two years of this stuff being relevant again. 😁
@QueenViolet8 4 ай бұрын
Man you’re hype for this game bro it’s great thanks 😊
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
I must like it or something 😆
@frostymcnuggets8504 4 ай бұрын
I remember in middle school renting Ogre battle 64 like 5 times in a row from blockbuster. Trying to finish it. When I was unicorn overlord on the PlayStation store, I immediately was thrown back.
@mikek191 4 ай бұрын
I loved OB 64. Got the worst ending on my first playthrough and was absolutely heartbroken as a 12 year old. Got the best ending on my next playthrough. Looking forward to Unicorn.
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
I hope they have different endings.
@DonDezeyTeachesVG 4 ай бұрын
The excitement in your Hello Every Folks since this game came out makes me want to go on a third play through lol
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
I mean I guess the game's ok 😂
@conculon 4 ай бұрын
extremely good shit my dude
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
Thank You!
@Simon-gi8yr 4 ай бұрын
best video to watch before watching unicorn overlord
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
Daww, thanks!
@Simon-gi8yr 4 ай бұрын
@@CoffeePotatoi'm playing ob 64 for the first time rn, real cool game
@DevilKillerJCS 4 ай бұрын
lol yeah, seeing the MOTBQ "anyone can be a flier" thing come back is hilarious and awesome. Of course Unicorn Overlord's system requires a flier as a leader and the characters in the unit can make it faster or slower vs MOTBQ's "one griffon/wyvern = fast as f boy high sky unit". Like, a flier + hoplites or magic users makes a slow flier, but a flier + cav units makes a fast one. Honestly I like it; it makes flying units more interesting than OB64's very limiting system (especially since you don't get the best flying beast until deep in chapter 4). Anyways, I'm looking forward to seeing just how many Easter eggs/references are going to be in Unicorn Overlord. You know there's going to be a heck of a lot of them, considering how many are in the demo already.
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
Definitely, and I love how they almost always land in the middle between the Ogre Battles mechanically.
@claudiegarnier4560 4 ай бұрын
I never thought Unicorn would be so polished. ❤
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
Gotta keep that horn shiny!
@Jasonwfd 4 ай бұрын
Everyone else who makes YT videos about UO: short videos that at some point or another says "Fire Emblem Fire Emblem Fire Emblem omg it's so Fire Emblem" CoffeePotato: *1.5 hour long improv raving/historical documentary about the cues taken from the entire Ogre series* lmao I fucking love you
@orcbrand 4 ай бұрын
The comparison to Fire Emblem is really the mark of a pleb to me... Always makes me go off too lol
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
Glad to insane for your amusement, my dude 🫡
@Jasonwfd 4 ай бұрын
@@CoffeePotato Oh hey, here's something I noticed that you didn't mention. The game intro is very similar to MOTBQ - music starts low then builds up until it blasts triumphantly while revealing the game title
@zealgaming8161 4 ай бұрын
Everyone, absolutely everyone "Unicorn Overlord looks like a fun Fire Emblem-esque!". Ogre Battle fans...........
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
There's dozens of us!
@curtismanning6129 4 ай бұрын
I really hope after release day we'll get in-depths interviews with the devs and they will mention Fire Emblem and Ogre Battle by name as core inspirations to the series, because they can be vague and say "rebirth or the tactical genre inspired by 1990-2000 classic RPGs" but WE KNOW. I'm so glad for this game to come out soon. Can't wait
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
I wish. For some reason that almost never happens.
@camosteve2433 4 ай бұрын
You don't need to play the Orge Battle games BUT you should play them!!! Tactics Ogre Reborn & Ogre Battle 64 👌 Side note, you can get Biske La Varet in Ogre Battle 64, who's a werewolf!
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
True, but you can't get a weretigers. But yeah, absolutely everyone should if they're able.
@dawish66 4 ай бұрын
There was a werewolf in ogre 64
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
There was, but no weretigers 😢
@klissattack 4 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. Pretty sure u can get a special character warewolf
@rottenmeat5934 4 ай бұрын
The Deneb thing isn’t an anime trope. It’s an 80s trope where popular villains are turned into antiheroes.
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
Maybe, but it's friggin always in there regardless. It was a direct stated intention from the original director.
@LogoUtpLeaSe 4 ай бұрын
AWESOME!
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@Ouvii 4 ай бұрын
4:32 I mean... a lycanthrope is mostly just a werewolf right? I didn't play MotBQ a ton, but there was one lycanthrope in 64.
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
There was one, I misspoke a bit, meant more that there were no other variants, like weretigers.
@dearcrowns 4 ай бұрын
Out of curiosity, have you ever played the Dragon Force games on Saturn? While I haven't played either series, they do come across to me as Ogre Battle adjacent (or at least I associate them in my head) even if they're doing a different thing but I'm not sure how true that is (iirc Soul Nomad is also going for an OB type thing...either way I gotta play that UO demo lol)
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
I think I did a while ago, but they're on the seemingly endless "explore this someday" list.
@dearcrowns 4 ай бұрын
@@CoffeePotato I'm def curious about them myself and if you ever got around to them I'd love to hear what you thought but also "endless list of things I want to get to" is a very relatable mood haha
@BearBearBaer 4 ай бұрын
I really liked OB64, and have played through the demo. I'm not really as optimistic as you are about the way the strategy ( story ) layer is going to pan out. The tactics layer seems fine and the gameplay is good, but story-line / campaign is what motivates me to actually finish these types of games. The opening of this game was quite poor story-wise, and I mostly worry that despite having these veneer of open-world engagement, that the story will be quite linear and basic.
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
We already have some level of evidence to the contrary, but we'll see. I'm all about the interactions above all else, and this thing is a monster of fantastically designed, layered mechanics.
@MikeStoneJapan 4 ай бұрын
Poker in the front. Caster in the back
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
The living kill mullet 👍
@vincentvalenzuela4064 15 күн бұрын
More content!
@CoffeePotato 14 күн бұрын
More Unicorn when I can, kinda started way too many things at once again.
@yurisonovab3892 3 ай бұрын
I do miss the unique promotions in Unicorn Overlord. No Aisha Pretty Pink Princess here.
@CoffeePotato 3 ай бұрын
I've seen folks turning Scarlett pink and giving her an auto hood setup for the same deal.
@lloyd011721 4 ай бұрын
why would you ever turn off the animations in ob64? thats the charm of the game..
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
Fairy run had ungodly long animations for attacks that usually did nothing 😆
@alexsnewhandle 4 ай бұрын
29:36 wait those two dragons are looking in different directions! is that a thing?
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
Certain cards can make them turn around for a bit, sure. But in that case they're just attacking.
@MikeStoneJapan 4 ай бұрын
You sure mermaids didn't pop up in LUCT? I swear I remember them. I might be confusing w/ KoL though
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
They were in KoL, the others had Lamias.
@MikeStoneJapan 4 ай бұрын
@@CoffeePotato Yes of course. It was Lamias I was thinking of
@Trevoroxx 4 ай бұрын
Legions?!
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
LEGIONS!!
@alexsnewhandle 4 ай бұрын
52:12 you can deploy 10 units in Ogre Battle 64, unless using legions mean you can deploy less units? I never used them too janky also I'm aware I'm spamming comments in this video but I can't stop myself!
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
I might have gotten used to using a small Legion with Magnus just to use it, mentally I keep thinking it's 8, my bad! Go for it, comments are fun! Usually. Once the game launches we'll have the inevitable "it wasn't perfect, therefore it's now my life's mission to burn it to the ground" people.
@thelegacyofgaming2928 4 ай бұрын
Is that FFTA2 music I hear?
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
Sure is!
@lloyd011721 4 ай бұрын
is UO made by the people who own ogre battle? or... whats the relation here?
@ValeVin 4 ай бұрын
No relation =] (Well, Atlas distributed OB64 in the United States, and they're distributing Unicorn Overload for VanillaWare, so... just a tenuous link.) I think the unicorn folks were just fans who loved the subgenre.
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
Tenuous link, but also the mechanics are very clearly trying for a middle ground between the two main Ogre Battle games.
@alexsnewhandle 4 ай бұрын
33:07 on my first Ogre Battle 64 run I actually restarted the game to avoid that fight bc I felt bad for them and avoided that map then years later I read an AAR and they gave me libertarian vibes so now I never skip it lmao
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
It's such a random little flavor moment, I love it.
@klissattack 4 ай бұрын
Spoiler at 6:45? How the hell did Fran get abducted? Plus where is everyone? If u have Fran then i assume ur playing the real version and past the cut off point?
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
No, she shows up at the tail end of the demo. She leaves for a bit, and was abducted by herself, funnily enough.
@klissattack 4 ай бұрын
O u get her before the last battle?
@thomasnguyen4427 4 ай бұрын
13:16 what the heck happened here
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
Death Chicken ramble that will randomly continue later because a dog tried to sneak into the cats' food, and I had to go deal with it real quick. For some reason he always thinks he's sneaky, but I can hear his giant feet on the steps.
@oliverje85 3 ай бұрын
Look, not to be mean or blunt, and I appreciate you bringing up Ogre Battle 64, but this is wrong and a very clickbait name. Ogre Battle 64 didn’t evolve into UO, if anything it is a dumbed down version in almost every way. Fewer classes. Fewer upgrade options. No hidden classes. No hidden mechanics like chaos frame or the liberation/capture mechanic. No birthday system. No elm pedra system. Heck even the unit sizes have Been lowered from the 3x3 grid to a 2x3 grid and the large character mechanic isn’t present. No wild units at all. This is just factually inaccurate. Ogre Battle 64 had well over 150 hours of gameplay in some cases (I had one perfect playthrough go 200+ hours). Please do more research before saying things that you clearly just ripped from others. It’s a really good game, especially coming from the N64 era.
@BasicSneedEducation 4 ай бұрын
I don't like permadeath. I just reload the save if someone dies so having it there is pointless to me. I'm glad UO doesn't have it.
@CoffeePotato 4 ай бұрын
Depends on the game, UO definitely functions better without it as far as we know.
@thelegacyofgaming2928 4 ай бұрын
It would've benefitted from being optional.
@skypaladin9878 4 ай бұрын
I had a lord of the rings the third age game where you unlocked "Sauron Mode" which had your leaders suffer permadeath and I think an unlock able mode like that would be fun, since Unicorn overlord seems like the missions wouldn't be too bad going deathless. Either way, someone will post a deathless run on youtube.
@klissattack 4 ай бұрын
Same! I get too attached to my team to let anyone die
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