Do one about the slingers of Rhodes, their slings were made of leather and animal tendons. According to Xenophontes they were the only ones who's range surpassed the composite bows of the Asian peoples.

Invicta, there's something wrong with the math at 5:40 . You can't launch a projectile 400 meters at a mere 100 km/h. It'd land 80.2 meters away. You'd need 2.25 times the velocity, and a 45 degree angle.

@@vanivanov9571 remember the projectile might glide

@@vanivanov9571 thanks I believe I got the speed figure wrong here

@Invicta One of the videos on that list shows up to me as a "private video" and I can't view it. Is that intentional?

Wow. Unusual anecdote. Thanks.

Incredible grandma

She started by the age of five if my memory is still good.

Learn it buddy, pass it on

What a Stacey.

The Stone Age. 🥁

General Kenobi

Would love Ahoy doing videos on more ancient weapons (other than the bow)

Legatus Kenobi

Hello there

The "ouch" is from Greeks. Specifically Rhodian slingers. We found also words like "take that" etc from them too.

@BarryHallSack everyone spends money on women either directly or indirectly

@@Graymenn Most women can take care of themselves dude. If a bitch scams u that's ur problem

@@jamesreuben5430 you are so dumb it hurts, almost every woman I have been on a date with, and there have been quite a few, has expected me to pay the bill wherever we go, and the ones that didn't make a fuss over it showed body language of resentment over the fact they paid money.

@@jamesreuben5430 not to mention your tax dollars going toward abortions, birth control pills, and maxi pads.... fool

Throws epic parties, while stoned

Wait u mean the 17th state of germany? Ye we throw epic parties

@@lunaschibor5 as long as you let us overcharge you with the drinks prices, you are welcome in here!

Balearics were awesome when they weren't poisoned with liberalism.

@@scintillam_dei wtf that even mean

Interesting

I personally wander if a person can be trained to use a sling at a later age if they had a good teacher, just like a teacher can Improve an athletes performance by analyzing what they do incorrectly and giving them pointers. Yes a person needs alot of practice but it's easier to become proficient at a skill with a teacher

I wish this was in the video. Very informative man :)

Very good points, Silver John, but let me just add my own experience. I was a slinger since I was a boy, self-trained, and I think I was very good at it. I lived in the countryside, so i would go to hilltops and other places where I would not hit anybody or anything other than targets. I made my own slings with about a meter long double strings joined by a leather thong. The strings ended in a loop for one of my right-hand fingers and a nut for the right hand so I could release the stone when wished, at the proper time. As you mention, the stone travels in an arch, so it has to be released at the right time to hit the target. Now, given that targets can be farther than 400 meters, in my case, I had to practice releasing it sort of at the same time every time because it is very difficult to time it otherwise, since the target is so far. With this I mean that one moves his own body position but leaves the release timing unchanged and sees where one hits because a tiny change in timing can send the stone off the target. In other words, at short distances you need practice releasing the stone (timing it) because you can hit the target even if your timing is a bit off (kind of like a bowman at 100 meters), while at long distances you don't change the timing, you change your body stance slightly and see where you hit. I would shoot so far with stones the size of a golf ball that I would loose track of the stone and would have to listen for the impact. It was a lot of fun. I still have my sling. Maybe I have Balearic genes, lol, since I am of Spanish descent.

.. then I took a lead ball to the knee !

Lol, the poor and fool Billy

@@Cleeon Be kind. He’s just a kid.

@@Daniel_Fo77 hmm... Sure. Now, i want to watch one of Billy the kid movie

@@Cleeon Check out Old Henry

@@estradamurcielgo175 ok, thank you, will check it 🙂

Just letting you know, don’t take all these history videos as fact but more of a depiction of what we believe things were like in ancient times.

Yes I enjoy videos like this a lot 😂

Hopefully one day people watch this instead of tic tok dancing and self absorbed narcissists staring at themselves.

@pondteal no shit huh? I tried going back to school and so many classes were a waste of time. They are mostly selling a paper degree at this point.

The Emperor said learn for the job you want.

Classic case of David vs Goliath.

Ye, read the Bible

@Bernie Rubber We're talking about a dude here with a huge shield and a javelin or two, if he (slinger) stays out of his (Roman boi) range then it might end up with a tie, unless the slinger's ammunition can actually penetrate a shield in that range.

@Bernie Rubber not at all you must remember that a roman could catch up with them as long as the roman was trained at jogging for at least 30 mins and the light units were trained at running quickly, but that is all you can't keep this running even if you are light if you are not properly trained and even so you have to slow down. That is why caesar defeated the numidians, many other generals didn't get it, but caesar did and that's why he trained his soldiers to move simultaneously, when to attack, when to chase, when to array a testudo. Even in single duel a heavy infantry can defeat the light infantry, but you have to know how

It all depends. We'll make it that they're both well fed, well rest, and in an even terrain to fight one on one. If both warriors know they are dealing with a single opponent, what is their opponent's weapons and gears, and how good are their opponent's fighting style, the heavy armoured guy might be in an upper hand considering he has a lot of experience and options. For example, knowing his opponent is a slinger he'll realize it's useless to try to fight him hand to hand since his opponent would just avoid the fight. Instead he can use other missile weapons. if that's prohibited, then he can just sheathe his sword and throw back rocks. It wouldn't be as strong as slingers but it still do serious damage to an unarmoured man. While he can keep his big shield protecting his entire body.

Slingers, or a Military ones, uses Crafted Sharpened Lead Pebbles, which makes the Shot from a Slinger more dangerous. If I remember Correctly, the Ammunition for Elite Slingers is often shaped like a Guitar Pick, but bulkier.

Only cowards fight at a distance. Real men get in real close in GLORIOUS MELEE

@Klaidi Rubiku And by roman chads you know, like Biggus Dikus, Naughtious Maximus.

O U C H

@@ashina2146 lead ammo for slings look more like an egg sized american football, they are called "glandes"(testicles) for a reason...

Yes, same here :)

You should look up some of the graffiti found in Roman bath houses, a lot of it wouldn't look all that out of place in a modern internet forum. Humans really haven't changed all that much over the years.

Baleric slingers and cretan archers where the best long range units to have

@@godking yeah but due to the missile trajectory you couldn't place Slingers behind infantry without them taking out the rear rank with every volley. Also if I'm not mistaken in the game they actually made a distinction between Baleric slingers and Rhodian Slingers which was cool.

@@ProvisionalPatrioticAlliance that’s funny and ironic considering that a sling has a longer range than a bow irl.

@@alternator7893 it’s not about range it’s about trajectory, slings would shoot their projectiles quite low and thus would hit your infantry that were in front whereas archers/peltasts would shoot over

So glad someone said this. I love total war. Literally on my troy campaign with Odysseus just this morning, his entire army is specialist with javelins, slings, and archery. Love it.

The proud belong on the ground with their face planted.

Having made and used slings a bit, how I view the David vs. Goliath story is the same as the classic scene in the first Indiana Jones, where Indy just shoots the guy with a sword. It's more of a comic relief than anything else.

My elementary teacher once showed us a sling. She used tennis ball for the bullet and threw it accross basketball field. The children were "Wooaah.."

@@boulderbash19700209 man, didnt it break anything? I would be dead scared if i happened to be the one demonstrating the sling in gym(would happily show if it is outdoor court hehe)

@@junhyunglee6744 It's just tennis ball, it won't break anything in gym. I guess it would hurt if it hit right in the face though😓

Alexander preferred Cretan archers during his expedition in Persia. They proved to be exceptional units indeed. He would often screen them with his cavalry and then reveal them when the enemy's cavalry would charge so he could decimate their units. Crucial was the Thesalian cavalry as well. Many Hellenic city states used Thracian warriors as mercenary forces as well famed for their ferocity and their onslaught capability.

Hell, the Romans basically took the equipment of the scutarii and made it into the default equipment for their infantry. Them Iberians didn't get enough appreciation for the influence they had on the Roman army.

But not the most numerous. Hannibal's Gallic soldiers probably outnumbered these many times over

I always love to have some specialized regional units when i play my strat games. Gives you their expertise and another option in your army. Even us Greeks were sometimes mercenaries.

@@shaolindreams Famously so. Greeks fought on both sides of the Greco-Persian conflicts after all

The best ancient weapons of war are too often overlooked. The spear is very deadly on the battlefield. Add some fletching and a spear thrower (atlatl) and you've got a missile weapon that can pierce plate armor at 200 yards.

@@JamesWillmus I think you're severely underestimating the effectiveness of plate armor.

@@kingghoul2324 considering the Spanish themselves admitted as much, no I don't think I am. An atlatl hits with at least as much force as a longbow.

@@JamesWillmus I'm aware it's as powerful as a Longbow in a skilled wielder's hands, but as far as I know a Longbow couldn't pierce the breastplate used by the conquistadors which was built to try and resist or at least deflect musketballs from the era.

@@kingghoul2324 Actually, I do need to step back my claim a bit. Apparently, the men with Cortez mostly had lighter armor on them. Cortez himself and a half-dozen others had good plate armor, but the rest of the party were wearing mail and padded leather. The Aztecs mostly used bone points which were more than capable of piercing this lessor armor. The result was still quite devastating initially for the Spanish.

Does the malorican females prefer the better shooter too?

@@molybdaen11 Menorca not Mallorca

@@molybdaen11 That's actually really cool, tell me more!

S'han de conservar les tradicions xD

I am from Menorca too, and I did the same thing :)

its more like 8 month's

Similar to pirrus of epirus.

​@Hoàng Nguyên the far eastern crossbow was invented in China.

Granted, the rock thrower also trained for 20-something years.

20 years? They prob treated as adults at 12 and dead by 45

One problem I didn't mention was that slings are not that easy to use - accurately. For those who grew up on the hill sides watching their flocks - they might have ten or fifteen years (just guessing) of experience before as a young adult they'd go off to fight in someone's army. Arrows - also - required a good bit of training and there were places that required their militias to practice with their bows on a regular basis - but - the amount of experience that was required to use a bow - was much, much less than the experience those bored Sheppard Boys had gotten in their years of watching their flocks. With nothing else to do - they'd be slinging stones at Butterflies and Birds on the Wing. The thing was - if you didn't have access to slingers like that - it was easier to train bowmen. The important thing about the Cross Bow - was that you could *_AIM(!!!!!!!)_* it. That required even less training as all you had to do was look right down the body of your Cross Bow and release your dart. The thing that made the Cross Bows so deadly - wasn't their power - but - the fact that you could train and equip Cross Bow Men relatively easily. The other thing about that - is that if you lost them - Slingers were much more difficult to replace - as they mostly had to grow up with their slings. You couldn't just grab people off the street, give them a sling and expect them to do more damage to the enemy than they did to you. You could do that with a Cross Bow and a little training. Lastly, in the scenes where the two armies are fighting and one of them has slingers - that would probably not be the case. Both sides would have light troops - each doing the same job - just not necessarily with the same weapons. They might have slings or bows or javelins and their defensive protection would vary too. The first thing that would happen though - is that the light troops of both sides would engage each other. If one sides lights beat the other side and drove them off - then - they could missile the shit out of the other guys main force before their own main force engaged it. Because of the light troops trying to missile each other - they tended to have relatively open formations - which also let them try and dodge the enemy's missiles. The problem with that - was that Cavalry could just sweep through them like a lawn mower. So - you didn't want your light troops to be to far out and away from your main body. That way - if they were threatened by Cavalry - they could run back (possibly thru) their main body and be protected by them. They could then - if they could target them - launch their missiles over the heads of their main body as the main body put the butt end of their spears to the ground and put a foot on them - pointing a mini forest of pointy objects at the horses - who knew what pointy objects were ... and were not inclined to impale themselves on them. Each part of an ancient army had it's role to play and using each part to advantage while mitigating it's weaknesses was what generalship was all about. .

@@BobSmith-dk8nw might I ask, what made you come back to this comment a year later?

@@sukaira9334 I had forgotten that I'd watched this video and watched it again. Then I noticed the old comment, re-read it - and realized that there were some things I'd left out. .

@@BobSmith-dk8nw Beautifully said the sling was an amazing weapon, but you just can't beat accuracy at the end of the day.

@@prestonpierce6360 The thing was - it wasn't that slingers couldn't be accurate - it's just that they needed more time with the sling than an archer needed with a bow. to get that way. .

"War, war never changes."

Balearic Pilots... with a Spanish Plane ✈️: Slinger Class haha 🤣

They should write on the bomb take home to mama crack with big hammer edible.

@Catch_Me_If_You_Can noice

“For Pompey’s Backside!” “Take this!” “Be lodged well!” “Fruit for Dessert!” “This is a Hard Nut to Crack!” “Here’s a sugar plum for you!” And I am pretty sure that considering the general shape and size of bullets, some probably had jokes about testicles...

Soldiers may have been bitter enemies, complete opposites, but boy did they always have the best messed up humor

How it it cringey. Them mofos killing people with the stones might always have more fun and put humor into it. It won’t be cringey when you get hit with it

@@kawikalavin8353 Imagine the archeologist reading it 3000 years later, laughing at it

Goliath got the one said "Yahweh said hi"

But did you get the lunch anyway?

Socio ya quisiera yo que me hubiesen enseñado en el colegio guerrilla clasica de primera mano en vez del course navette.

@@mistakebustedcondomjohnson6736 No se yo. Tuve esa honda durante años y siempre siguió oliendo igual de mal que el primer dia.

Venga Boys

You guys should televise an annual dodgeball slinger game using the tennis balls, make it 50 vs 50, Ibiza vs Rhodes

Shameless plug.... But yes I am interested

@@drewfranko3352 I don't think it's shameless it's pretty related to the subject not just some random post on something completely unrelated

Todd's workshop is doing and has already done a lot of testing with historical archery. His stuff focuses on medieval times period though.

I'm looking forward to the sling test. Do you have a few types of slings?

Dimes On His Eyes yes Tod does but he only mostly does medieval European archery . I prefer every period of history

He primarily got them because he was afraid of the Gallic slingers he was encountering. Especially those from the Nervii, who almost torched one of his forts because they were launching red-hot clay slingstones. So of course if you can't beat them in the rock throwing game. Then you Get the best rock throwers. Cue the Balearics, who not only like throwing lead for long distance barrages, they can also yeet fuck-off huge stones at frightening velocities too.

@@thejackinati2759 , , , "

@Evolve Project are you dumb?

@@nvmtt1403 GET HIM GUYS!

Evolve Project Julius Caesar wrote a book. It is called De Bello Gallico - or Commentaries on the Gallic Wars. It is one of the most famous books from antiquity. Caesar describes his entire campaign in Gaul - almost no such books exist in history from the commander in a war. A confederation of Belgic tribes raised a massive Army to drive the Romans out of Gaul in the second year of the war. Caesar marched to confront them. During the Battle of Axona, the Belgae tried to out flank Caesar. They had to cross the Axona ( the modern Aisne River) Caesar sent Calvary and light troops, including slingers to repulse them. These troops succeeded in slaughtering the Belgae as they forded the river. You can buy Caesar’s can book on Amazon. This battle is described in book chapter 2.7 to 2.11. It is a great book. You will enjoy reading it. Of course get the English translation unless you can read Latin!

Yes i would love to see thoese heavey armored archers, they had armor matching inf or in some cases better

I think the Cretan archers are way more famous and so probably would be covered before

Here are my predictions: Cretan Archers, Numidian Cavalry, Macedonian Phalangite, Thracian Peltast, Arab Mubarzin (Champions), various Steppe people w/ Horse Archery. Invicta has already done multiple videos on the Polybian legion from back when he was TBHE productions so I don't see that happening.

@Klaidi Rubiku yes nubians were bow masters since the ancient egyptian time , they were a king bodyguard even

@@TheSunderingSea the arab mubarzin isn't different from other units they are people who voluntered to fight the other army champions , they arent a unit but a culture practice

Might’ve also been a staff-sling.

They've remastered the game and now the Steam version works with modern screen resolutions

@@xyAKMxy interesting ! Thanks

Googled out of curiousity. Holy shit, i played that when i was like 6, i remember i got the gamespy demo when that was all the rage. Thank you, i have actually been looking for it.

Man, I love Praetorians.

I'm so glad so many of you used to play and still love that game. One thing I always loved of that game was exploiting archers to burn villages down from a hill or forest as to cripple the AI's manpower.

Def was a fun thing to use and had no idea until much latter what they were used historically for. But i def got very good at picking off small objects with the thing and you learn timing.

I agree, it is a blast- but I had to go a long way outside the city to practice. Even using a tennis ball, there is still a fairly long time before you can be reasonably certain just at what angle it is going to pop out...

@@leeviajero2716 lol oh yeah .. you definitely do need quite a bit of area to use it .. I just took living near the woods for granted I guess .

@@leeviajero2716 also it never occurred to me to try to use a large non lethal object like a tennis ball.. lol that seems rather big . But I'm gonna make a new sling and try it . Coincidentally golf balls are amazing to use , but they tend to fuuuuck up whatever they hit.

When you are told, "Good night Wesly. Good work. Sleep well, I'll most likely kill you in the morning.", everyday, of course you have to get better at whatever you do

Let me tell you about my pointy stick

Let me tell you about my Shield. "The Emperor Protects"

@@codysing1223 *Let me tell you about my bolt gun*

Pretty scary stuff those lead stones.

That is comically not true. Maybe more Kinetic energy at short range but "momentum", amusing you mean "speed" of a sling is comically low compared to a long or composite bow. Also while they have a very debatable maximum range of 400 meters, they effective range was much shorter. Composite bows and longbows have a much longer effective range. They stuck around a lot longer in the west than in the Middle East due to the composite bow not existing in the west. By the fall of Rome they were basically being outclasses by other ranged weapon and armour.

@@pyrolight7568 Luis Pons Livermore (one of the best slingers around) can sling over 250J, while an arrow loosed by Joe Gibbs with a 160lb longbow comes in ~130J. The stones Luis usually slings are around 250g, where as english war arrows come in at ~90g. Momentum for the warbow is about 5kgm/s, where as the slung stone is ~13kgm/s. Velocities of the sling are about ~60-100m/s with lead projectiles. 400m is actually a conservative estimate when using lead projectiles and I think most slingers can achieve that with practice. I've personally thrown glandes 300-350y (rough estimate) with a 27" sling, and I can see how a 36" would do a lot better. Sling projectiles spin stabalise point first, and have less drag than arrows (especially lead ones). Even stones have an effective range up to about ~250m. War-bows with war arrows simply cannot keep up with the sling in terms of terminal kinetic energy and momentum (at any range). The reasons behind the decline of use in warfare are entirely different.

To follow that up with a historical example, when the Ten Thousand were trying to make their way home from Persia they were harassed by Persian archers. To counter them, the Greeks had their Rhodian hoplites fight as slingers, since they were also trained at that.They were able to keep the enemy archers away by outranging them with, I can only presume, sufficient accuracy to prevent them from wanting to come closer.

@@pyrolight7568 momentum is not speed. Momentum is speed times mass. It's slower than an arrow but a lot heavier.

Lmao what did you think when you initially heard of them?

Lets buff up slings to make it make sense lol

Try GURPS instead of D&D. I think it's a much better system & more flexible. Slings can do serious damage in GURPS.

@@tinman1843 yeah gurps is great but it has a lot of bloat (like 3.5 did lol) so not every player will be able to grasp it

Play fighter not ranger. Take archery fighting style. Go human variant and take sharpshooter at first level. Then take battle master or eldritch knight. If eldritch knight and intelligence is high enough take magic stone as a cantrip. If battle master with high intelligence take magic initiate at 4th level and take magic stone and find familiar. Familiar can use the help action to distract a target for advantage. Ranger hunter with sharp shooter would also be great though. Horde breaker makes it worth it. And multiclass into rogue for sneak attack.

@Ago KG ` Dungeons and Dragons, the fantasy table top game.

Antifa are a bunch of jerks who prey on people's ignorance and amplify the divides in the country to cause instability so they can hurt people their underdeveloped moral compass allows them to. If they "won" they would have to cause massive suffering for people to then "See what they meant". The mean's create the mean's, and anytime you hurt another person or impose your will onto them it makes society a worse off place. That goes for the government also. Both sides have flaws and knowledge and wisdom applied correctly in place of fighting can bring about a lasting change!

@@alan_clough I get your point but this is hardly the place to discuss politics.

@@maarten9272 I don't even know what he wants, he must have no clue and think my profile picture refers to antifa which is downright stupid. It represents left unity but I agree this is no place for politics...

@@Maxcraft12 I suppose it's because of the red and black colours. Obviously not the antifa flag though.

Yeah, they ought to have presented that.

You know children would probably have lined up before the sticks and fired volleys, increasing the chance of hitting their dinners

I heard it was not allowing them to eat it until they had knocked it off. Or as Strabo says, explicitly in "Geography (Book III, Chapter5)": "I say, or of hair or of sinews: the sling with the long straps for the shots at short range, and the medium sling for the medium shots. And their training in the use of slings used to be such, from childhood up, that they would not so much as give bread to their children unless they first hit it with the sling." Then again, he was probably repeating what others had told him, and was not a first hand witness.

i mean, check out Sandhroman history, he covers early modern warfare extensively

Unless using DEI mod, their range there makes every offensive battle against a foe with the high ground trivial.

Cretan archers are god tier. They’re like artillery.

After recuting a patch, you need to wait like 8 turns for new units to show up. Also, if you play as Egypt or Gaul (Foresster warband FTW) or other factions with long range archer then you don't need them. The ones really need them are local Greek factions with terrible archer and Roman factions (not remember whether archer auxillaries get long range or not). through as Seleucid, you don't really need to use archers

@@huntermad5668 Roman factions reformed archers do get long range.

"And his name shall be Julianus Vatinius."

But don't make the mistake of stealing them turntables or sound system in Ibiza, or you might get some tweaked out slingers on your trail.

Ahh we've never changed have we? Writing messages like the picture of a ww2 soldier with a 'Happy Easter Hitler!' artillery shell to writing that on their sling bullets. I love this.

Or Roman writings "On its way to Pompeys arsehole" or "Hi Octavian you suck." In Latin of course, and in acronym.

@@Taistelukalkkuna where did you read that?

@@francogutierrez1793 Adrian Goldsworthy´s book. Either Complete Roman Army, or Roman Army in Battle, don´t remember which one.

@@Taistelukalkkuna ty

Adam! When will you make an "homage" to the Balearic Islands? That would make me so happy!! So so happy... Take the sling again!! :)

Nice seeing you here

inb4 someone brings up that guy who misconstrued translations of translations to push his theory that Goliath was blind. Raiders of the Lost Ark is an apt comparison.

@Derreck Jones A sling exerts the same amount of force as .38 revolver. Golaith thought he was the shit as he was big and powerful why David had a weapon that was equivalent to a gun and had range on goliath.

@Derreck Jones A shepherd (re: lion shooter, hardass who lives outdoors, carries wounded animals for miles) shoots a man with a sword.

Derreck Jones calm down dude it’s an apt comparison

@Derreck Jones Why you being confrontational?

Won't rocks go whoosh, though?

Spartan hoplites were pretty good slingers too. And their bronze hoplons were pretty tough. Ask the romans. Who became swiss cheese after meeting the balears...

I'm still looking for the person who asked

I think Daryl Hanna was the first sling user when her clan kicked her out of the cave and she had a baby to feed/protect. ;-)

I call them ranged maces.

@@TealWolf26 ranged right hooks but a ranged mace is pretty hardass!

They both do +10 bonus damage to infantry

And ex wives.

I always feel sad when places with cool ancient names (like Iberia) swap them out later for second rate names (like Spain)

Let’s learn about the greatest infantry unit of all time. EASTERN INFANTRYMEN. By far the unit with the best morale and definitely won’t break against peasants.

Chariots please

Imagine you are a veteran Legionaire,who survived many battles in melee combat and were skilled with a sword but you get killed by a simple stone

Silver Shield Seleucid Empire