Thanks, glad to hear that 🙂

Thanks! And I agree 🙂

I'm sure there are other great modelers, but for me this is a game changer as well.

Like I said in the video, I think on it's own with its own cabsim, the Lion sounds best. Through the CAB-M, the Marshall sounds slighty better. I could get the Marshall through the CAB-M closer by altering the IR I made, and the Lion closer through the CAB-M by slighty tweaking the Lion itself. In a mix I know that the current IR from the CAB-M would work better though. And I don't think there's an 'objectively better' when it comes to tone. It all depends on the player, his/her taste and what's done with it. Some of the greatest riffs where recorded with a tone that isn't really pleasing, yet works. Also, I'm not the Edge. Whatever works for him, doesn't have to work for me and vice versa. But like I also said in the video, I probably couldn't pick the real Marshall from the Lion when listening to a recording. I'm currently trying to use it with a guitar cab and power amps, and I can feel and hear a slight difference, though not a shocking one. In the end, on stage I'd still prefer interaction with an actual guitar cabinet. I don't play with in-ears and I've always prefered to hear my guitar sound from my own speakers, not from the monitors that change from gig to gig and can often sound shitty. Next to that, for the music I make, those amps are part of the decor. So I'd still always prefer to bring the real stuff for my own playing experience, even if the crowd couldn't hear the difference between the Lion and the tube amp with mics. For me the Lion is great for recording, for having something on the fly. A solution that isn't bulky, heavy and only loud. So for me, it will have its use in a lot of situations. For gigs, it will only be my backup though. If people view this differently, that's no problem and I can understand, but I'm still a rock and roll romantic 🙂

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Thanks! Yeah I have to try the app again and hope I can get it to work. This week I want to try it with a power amp through a cabinet and see how that works, something else that's new for me in the world of modeling 😉

@@StevenAnthonyGuitar Yes I had a little bit of a problem getting it to work first. I think there a firmware update. Interesting to get to know what you feel about using it over an amp cabinet. But I'm still so blown away it sound like a real amp over my studio monitors. Have fun with your gear now.

So do I. Mostly different tools for different situations.

I can imagine some people would prefer the pedal 🙂

Ditto, bros. Somehow a bit louder, more headroom. 🤔👏

Me too I’m Shocked pedal sounds better

I liked the pedal better as well. 😮

I've got a follow-up, using both through the same guitar cabinet ✌️

For sure. Or where there's a tube amp vs modeler discussion. But maybe any of those will arrive at a later point in time 😅 I think all of these thing are aimed at different people.

Thanks!

Thanks! I've heard a off few people loving that pedal. I actually gave up om MIAB overdrives, as they never did the job for me. Whether it was the Xotic SL Drive, Bogner La Grange, Lumpy's Zoso drive, Friedman Dirty Shirley (pedal), it always sounded too much like a pedal. Until the Lion, which of course is different as it's a modeler. But if I feel adventurous again, I might give the Boss Powerstack a go sometime.

Thanks! 🙂

They're two differents beasts, not just in sound, but also obviously one is a modeler and the other a tube head. So it's all down to what you want first: a real amp or a 'fake' amp. For strat and tele tones I prefer to use my Z-Wreck Jr over my Marshalls, so just for that I'd say the Z-Wreck Jr. If you're not playing with a band and just want to record at home through your interface and keep the volume down, the Super Bass setting on the Lion is cool with single coils.

I haven't tried that, but it won't be its best use. With a affordable power amp behind it through a guitar cab you'll get much better results. I'm making a video about that. But the Lion is worth the buy 100% if you ask me!

I'm just surprised they got it so right and so close! Did you already use the Lion live?

The Ruby has been on the wishlist ever since it came out, but I only have my wife's AC15 to compare it with. Might give it a try somewhere this year though!

Thanks! Most interfaces offer an instrument input, if you plug it in there, you should be good! 🙂

Absolutely. I turn down the volume and my playing a few times in this video, I think you should be able to hear it. But I play my Marshall without tons of gain and not really saturated or compressed, because I like those dynamics too. I don't notice a difference with the Lion, it's like playing the real thing.

The way I test and judge any Marshall emulating device is turn down the gain and see if it can do a Hendrix style clean to edge of breakup tone. That’s where 99% of them utterly fail - at low gain, they lose any Marshall character and just have a generic, neutral JC-120 clean tone. This is the point where lots of people chime in with “Who uses a Marshall for cleaner tones anyway?” Well, Hendrix did, and I do, so…

@@darwinsaye it can do nice cleans, but I prefer getting my cleans from rolling back the volume on the guitar. But especially the Super Bass setting has some nice round cleans with good headroom!

I'm glad this video helped you out! I've also done a follow-up with a power amp and cab, which might also help you. I've had the Lion for almost half a year now and I think it's great, although I'd still prefer a real amp. I'll probably do another 'field review' this year after I've used it for a longer time.

@@StevenAnthonyGuitar It was really good. ♥️🤘

I was thinking about selling one of the two, but eventually I upgraded the hardware and took the pickguard of the other one and kept both. Love both equal now, they're simply great!

@@StevenAnthonyGuitar 👍 I will never sell my Historic R9.

@@These_go_to_eleven_1959 you shouldn't either. I'm very glad I didn't sell my second 60s Standard, but gave it an extra upgrade instead.

If you're looking for EVH territory, it does that.

@@StevenAnthonyGuitar Thank you for replying, I have pulled the trigger and bought one, should be here soon I'm excited lol

Depends on what you want to do. The Lion can get plenty of gain by itself, for clean and lighter gain the Studio JTM is great. I've got a video on the Studio JTM online already, and I've got a video about the Lion with a power amp coming out on January 6th.

This week I got the Hotone Loudster as a power amp and I used it a full night at rehearsal with my band. Sound, felt, and worked way better than expected through my Marshall 4x12" with Greenbacks! My bandmates didn't notice I wasn't playing the actual Marshall plexi sitting on top of my cab.

That's awesome! Do you know how does this setup come out at bedroom volumes vs monitors with IR's? I imagine the big speakers just aren't moving enough to sound any good?

@@kraM1t I first tried it with my Yamaha HS7 monitors and it sounded good, same with headphones. It's just a bit of a different experience if you're, like me, new at modeling.

Funny enough I do what you describe on bass: I always have the same preamp pedal on, which is part of my sound. For guitar I only use a drive or boost for lower output pickups or soloing. Personally I don't see myself ever gigging without an amp on stage, but this Lion is great for noodling around when I don't really need to use one of my loud amps.

@@StevenAnthonyGuitar Yeah - that's pretty much all I do nowadays - noodle and/or record at home. I have a small bass amp, but for recording I usually run it thru a dedicated bass pre-amp DI pedal, which I think gives it a better sound and lets me get much more tonal variation than an amp does. For guitar I either run the output of my pedal chain straight into a line-level input in front of the USB interface, or more often lately I run it into a small combo amp with a mic on the amp. That way, I can noodle around until I find the sound I want, then just mic it. When recording, I'll put the amp on the other side of the room and turn it around facing away from me. I can still hear it, but it doesn't overpower my headphones while recording. On a totally different subject - what's the deal with Geert Wilders? His election was big news here. Over here, Trump has good chance of getting elected again next year. This is a crazy planet.

@@anthonypanneton923 yeah I never imagined so many people here would vote for him. Saddens me that this is where my country is at.

@@StevenAnthonyGuitar its been crazy here for 7 years now, and shows no signs of getting better any time soon. I'm kinda glad I'm old and will be gone before too much longer! I fear the west is slipping back into old bad habits.

@@anthonypanneton923 I fear the same and I'm baffled we don't seem to learn from out past as a species. Hopefully things have changed by the time my boy is old enough to figure out what's going on in the world.

It's either direct to the audio interface or via the Two Notes CAB-M+.

It's indeed a Les Paul Junior, but with a gold pickguard. I've got a full video on that guitar here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fc6IdrhyvNOod58.htmlsi=yXDLcAdW2P-slaeg

I think the IR's that are in the Lion sound good and convincing, but you cannot tweak. Like I mentioned in the video, I too prefer the sound directly out of the Lion compared to my own IR in the CAB-M on it's own in the video, though I now the latter sounds better in a mix. By the way, I saw your video of the Revival Drive with the Harley Benton power amp, and that's how I use the Lion now, but with the Hotone Loudster instead of the Harley Benton. I used it at a full band rehearsal like that, going through my Marshall 4x12" and loved it. Got a video on the Lion through a cab coming January 6th, which might answer some of your questions. As an old school tube amp guy myself, I would have to problem gigging like this, though I wouldn't gig without at least a real cabinet on stage myself and rather use this as a backup.

@@StevenAnthonyGuitar Thanks for sharing your thoughts 🙏 Very helpful! Looking forward to seeing your video in January 👍☮️

I think that might be solved by adding more bright cap options, that's what I would prefer. But I usually use it with a power amp through a cab for playback in the room and the other going through my Two Notes CAB-M+ with my own IR. Would also be nice if you could select different outputs: one without and one with IR.

Thanks! What I'm mainly missing is different bright cap values. Many commenters here prefer the sound of the Lion when heard on its own, but in my experience it can get lost in the mix, unless I use my own IR in the CAB-M+.

It's really awesome! How do you like the Ruby?

@@StevenAnthonyGuitar I love the Ruby. The speaker emulations are all very different, and it has a huge range of tones.

@@stringedaz I've been wanting to try that one as well, so maybe I will next year!

I did a follow-up, maybe that might help as well 😉

You could, but you wouldn't get a lot of sound. Get an affordable power amp pedal. I tried a few and really liked and kept the Hotone Loudster. Put that behind the Lion and turn its cab sim off, and you basically have a tiny Marshall amp.

@@StevenAnthonyGuitar thank you for your answer, do you think hotone ampero 2 can handle it?

@@asafeyal as far as I'm aware that's also not a power amp. If you want to run something through a guitar cabinet without a head, you need some sort of power amp dat can actually send power to the cab. A regular pedal can't do this.

Yeah I figured I'm not the only one. Really hope UA fixes that soon.

Check the new firmware, i have no problems

@@MrHierundjetzt I have the latest firmware and I checked if there were updates in the app store as well. Are you running Android or iOS? I know I'm not the only one having issues.

@@StevenAnthonyGuitar Android. Have issues with the uafx ruby in the past, so i sold it. With the new firmware and the lion it works fine.

@@MrHierundjetzt I will try it again later today. Last time I tried was earlier this week, afte4 which I gave up for a few days. Here's to hoping it works for me too now.

Then it sounds like a Fender.

@@StevenAnthonyGuitar it explodes

Yeah I got the real amps I wanted before I tried this 😉 I'm sure the Quad Cortex is great too, but would be too much for my needs.

@@StevenAnthonyGuitar the QC is a great back up in a pinch, and so much easier on fly gigs. I can carry it on the plane, and most airlines will let me carry on a guitar and put it with staff gear if i ask nicely. Worse case scenario i know will have at least a rig to get through the show.

I can see people favouring the pedal over the amp in this comparison. Is that with the cab sim of the Lion, or also with the Lion through the CAB-M+ for your taste?

The amp sounds fine but the pedal sounds better in all circumstances to me. For low volume Marshall tones this must be one of the best options if you have a good set of monitors to use

@@fatshartspunhouse2403 yeah absolutely, I'm still surprised by how well this pedal works.

I’m yet to see a bad review with regards to the sounds

@@fatshartspunhouse2403 most issues are regarding the app issues. But I didn't think every video presented this pedal in the right way, so I wasn't convinced this could actually sound like a Marshall. Ofcourse I don't claim I made the perfect demo, but at least I could test and share how close to an actual Marshall this can get.

Depends if you're in a U2 tribute act. If not, everyone has to figure out what they like, not what The Edge likes. A Squier is good enough fir Mike Rutherford, yet the whole world didn't stop playing Fenders because of it.

@@sailisi the description adds up to the pilot light you see on the amp. I think many people prefer the Lion because it sounds a bit fuller and more polite when isolated. In a mix, that doesn't necessarily work though.

Almost!

I still have to get used to the fact that there's a modeler I like.

Hha me too:-)@@StevenAnthonyGuitar

@@JanPanCygan but it's great! I got a power amp in pedal form so I can use it through a cab as well, and it holds up great even like that. I've shot a video of both through a guitar cabinet, coming in January :)

@@StevenAnthonyGuitarwaiting for this video!

@@asafeyal it'll be there in 15 days, I'm taking the next two weeks off. Once it's there, I'd like to hear your takeaways in the comments of that follow-up video 🙂

When both go through the same IR in the CAB-M+, they sound almost identical. In the later comparisons it's Lion with cabsim, then real Marshall through IR, then Lion through same IR. You can hardly call it wildly different.

For the studio version that might be, but for me it's one of those songs that I connect to the live versions, and that was a plexi for sure 😉

That's why I'm running the Lion through the CAB-M+ as well for those three comparisons 😉 With that, the difference is really minimal. The real Marshall has just a bit more bottom, which I could fix by changing either the normal volume or the bass on the Lion.

I agree. Thanks to the Lion I could finally try a Super Bass 😊

I wouldn't get rid of mine either, ever. But the Lion does a way better job than I anticipated.

the lion kills the tonex IMO

@@sixslinger9951 I haven't tried one, but with the Lion I also don't feel the need to try it. I was very close to being the ToneX a few times, but if I would've done that, I would probably still be tweaking instead of playing.

@@StevenAnthonyGuitar You ought to try the Tonex (as opposed to BUY the Tonex); the factory presets are useless (just like the Kemper, Fractal, Helix, Quad Cortex etc etc) but 3rd party ones from Amalgam, Tone Junkie, Jasón Sadites etc) are a revelation. With a carefully selected preset I can emulate my 1987x and EVM12L Thiele cab perfectly. And.... it takes pedals, not as well as the real thing as you obviously cn]an overload a digital input, but hey.... they're £330 !

@@digitalchris6681 yeah I really want to try it sometime. I've heard it produce some great sounds. Only thing that scares me off a bit is the digital deep diving. But can't be worse than a Kemper, that thing to me is overly complicated, but that might be me.

Small and easy to carry as well 😉

But the pedal is pretty cool right? Although it would be nice if they added more bright cap values.

Like I said at the end: I will never ditch my tube amps, and I will always prefer to gig with them. But when it comes to just the recorded sound, I think they nailed it. This Lion can probably perform in such a way that I wouldn't be able to pick the real Marshall in a blind test when listening to sound samples. And I never thought I would admit that.

@@StevenAnthonyGuitar 👍

I play almost everything in the wrong tuning, as all my guitars are tuned a half step down. Helps with avoiding copyright claims though 😉

That one's coming to, but for this one it wouldn't be a fair comparison.

Would have to be through a FR speaker and not just "any" guitar amp cabinet - since ya know, it already has speaker/cabinet emulation....

@@stevelife8505 that can be turned off and you can use it with a power amp to play through a real cab. But then you have to use an external cabsim ofcourse, which might defeat the purpose for many, unless you've got something else.

@@stevelife8505 Even FR speakers can sound different, for example a 1x10 FR speaker will sound different from a 2x12 FR speakers.