Kick it up a notch, get the German blueprint of pre-dreadnaughts as Spain and rebuild the Spanish Armada

For heavy ships ur supposed to do this: ur super battleships weren’t engaging cuz u were using them to patrol. Ur supposed to have the destroyers cruisers and battleships on patrol, and once they spot the enemy fleet, have the super battleships on strike force, meaning they’ll leave to engage once an enemy is found. Make sure the two fleets are under one admiral, but in separate task forces. If u had done that, ur super battleships likely would’ve engaged the German fleet far more.

"Sir! We've made a Super Heavy Battleship." "What?" "A Super-Heavy Battleship. It only took us one week?" "One week? How the hell did that happen?" "Funny button." "Its impressive you made one of these, but is it safe to use? It was made in one week, after all." _The Super-Heavy Battleship was then taken out by a U-Boat._ _It was not safe to use after all._

Get your easy "My Ships Don't Lie" Achievement while you can

The reason light attack is better is because it targets the screens and if you kill the screen the enemy fleet is very vulnerable

You can also just assign the big ships as strike force and they will automatically move to where your crappy spotting ships are instead of doing it manually

I used to stack this as Germany in Multiplayer Games before anybody knew about it. I once got kicked for having 426 Submarines and 18 Carriers

This exploit makes "My Ships Don't Lie" a lot easier and I was thinking: if Paradox patchs them, can you still take advantage of them by using an older version of HOI4 without that patch?

Fun fact: yamato wasnt even the pride of the IJN, because she was a huge military secret. That spot was taken by the nagato, which was japans equivalent of the hood

TLDR I've known about this exploit for a wile but I didn't want to show it to the community for it to get patched in NSP or the first NSP patches. SO I kept it quiet. Thanks Dankus 😭 The Ireland thing is a coincidence I recorded this at the end of Nov before I got COVID waaa

This vid exemplifies two major issues with HOI4, especially now with NSB: 1) Too few research slots. Even for a major, it is basically impossible to research everything you would need to have a 'complete' military and industry in anything resembling a short amount of time. The only way it really works is for nations that are given substantial things first. To me, this is understandable for gameplay, but it kind of ruins reality. I wish there were more specific buffs to research of particular things- kind of like doctrine research gives you bonuses to particular kinds of fighting. Or more research slots in general, or perhaps specific research slots: industry, army, air, navy (or something) that could be modified in different ways. 2) Naval production. Seriously, why can we only put 5 dockyards on a capital ship? It makes no fucking sense whatsoever, even from a balance perspective. If balance is an issue, then make the capital ships more resource-intensive to produce, rather than limit the number of dockyards.

I did this as the US with +7000% naval production and spammed out super heavy battleships. Got some good combat against the Japanese, but when it came time for the war with the axis I had 150 of them and they drained all my oil, so instead I made hundreds of torpedo cruiser and just destroyed every convoy and ship I found

Feedback not being able to get his battleships in and then sneaks them in *strike force mission* "Am I a joke to you?"

“And how many ships do we start out with?” *0* ZAMN

Pretty sure the US used this in WWII

I can thank ISP for bringing this up recently lol.

Should have split your cruisers and destroyers to patrol then the super-heavies on strike force. Replacing DDs is faster the refitting ships

PATCHED january 27th rip

Got to love it man talk about the "Irish rover" haha😄, thanks for doing ireland👍👍👍🇮🇪🇮🇪 love the channel, class exploit

I learned this die to dankus, but that unlocked a dark pathway for me

I think capital ships will automatically retreat regardless of the ROE you set if they have no screen

Ireland rules the waves

Now all Paradox has to do is make naval warfare worthwhile beyond invasions.

13:55 Put them on "Always engage" but for scouts, put them on either low or do not engage

The best use of battle ships, is Hp soaks / spotter spam for your torp planes. They can help bait forces to attack how ever I'd basically sack them with just a few of them floating around solo or with barely any screens just to help counter subs.

Ahh, always thought it took to long to build a small carrier or Battleship, this will give a good notch the right way, thank you

Loved this video! It's more entertaining when your original strategy doesn't work out as you plan and you have to try other tactics to win.

I did liturally the same video! AS IRELAND! So its nice to atleast once be a step ahead from such a youtuber.

WHY DID YOU YOU MAKE A VIDEO ON IT NOW ITS PATCHED

Unfortunately Paradox fixed this exploit in the 1.11.5 Update on 27.01., it was funny while it lasted

19:24 "Speed is best armour" John Arbuthnot Fisher

Thanks Feedback and ISP, now I can show new way of producing ships faster than making a cup noodles

Gotta love Dave at 19:40 accidentally figuring out the thing you're actually supposed to do to get fleet engagements...

A great video, i wana see you play yugoslavia in the no step back dlc

This happened to me but with Air Poduction, for Romania. Made enough torpedo bombers to whip out the UK fleet in 42 lol

I have also experienced this very cool thing. Rebuilt Byzantine navy with it.

You can put your destroyers to patrol and heavy with cruisers to strike force works very well for me with japan and usa

2 vids in a week? Feedback,you pamper us so much.

Love u man...These exploits are really great and I'm "still" using that Bloody light cruisers😂

The most overall effective navy structure: 1st admiral: battlefleets only - each cca 4BB, 6CL, 30DD 2nd admiral (optional): combined fleets only - each cca 4CV, 4BC or CA (never let your carriers go without big gun ship support in HOI), 40DD 3rd admiral: spotting/convoy def - consists of small fleets of either 8DD(+1CVL), or 2 dedicated spotting CLs 4th admiral: convoy raid only - small wolfpacks (10SS), big wolfpacks (20SS), or single surface raiders (preferably CLs) 5th admiral (optional): coastal defense force - old heavy cruisers, pre dreads, coastal cruisers, old DDs and minesweepers Order of battle: 1st and 2nd admiral on strike force, 3rd on either spotting or convoy def or both (you can divide him into 2 admirals, one doing convoy def, the other spotting). Always spot the sea zones where you want your first 2 admirals to fight. Always convoy def the sea zones where your supply routes are going (if they are going through some stupid zone... ehm ehm, English channel, ehm... you can disable access to that zone and your supply ships wont go there). 4th admiral should be on convoy raid order on zones where the enemy supply ships are going (you may find that out through diplomacy - intel ledger, if your spies are working correctly). 5th admiral really depends on what ships are in your coastal patrol. If you have pre dreads (like Germany) or coastal bbs (like Sweden, Finland, or many other countries), you can set them as a strike force (always support them with land based torp bombers and possibly even fighters or flying boats), or you may even use them for coastal bombardment. If you have smaller coastal force consisting of old CLs and minesweepers (like USSR), you may set them up to mine the coastal waters (its not going to sink many ships, but whatever enemy ships will go through that zone will end up in dry dock for a very long time, possibly months, thus effectively out of combat). Always do: 1) have enough screening ships (DDs or CLs) in your big fleets. At least 4 screens per each capital (BB, CV, CA). 2) have some building plan for your navy, or at least guerilla combat plan for your ships if you cant afford building a sufficient navy. 3) have patrol fleets for your strike forces. 4) check your fleets containing capital ships and if the ships are damaged, send them back to some big port to fix them (it better to be repairing a BB for 3 months than building it for 18). 5) use right admiral for his job (e.g. ironside -> battlefleets, planes enthusiast -> combined fleet, sea wolf -> submarines) Do not: 1) use subs in zones with a "shallow waters" modifier. 2) use subs in zones heavily guarded by torpedo bombers and flying boats 3) set your capital ships on a raiding missions, especially not alone (Im watching you, Bismarck!!) 4) set your fleets to "engage at high risk" or "always engage" unless you are certain of victory. 5) research doctrines and ammo before ships and guns. Doctrines and ammo work on all existing ships, you can always do that later. 6) dispute zones that are heavily guarded by enemy air force, or where the enemy has much more ships in general. 7) be hasty, naval combat takes more time than land combat, especially when it comes to building new stuff. Pro tips: 1) Whenever you win a war, always make sure to be the first one who puppets the nation with the strongest navy (or at least a little part of that nation, containing at least 1 port). 2) Light guns are usually what wins or loses a major battles. They target the screen ships, and once those are gone, torpedoes will quickly dispose of any unscreened capital ships. 3) Make a lot of good light cruisers. First of all, they excel at the previous tip N.2 - disposing of enemy screens. Then they also make for good solo scouts. Then they also make for a good raider ship. And if you have enough of them, you may even create long range strike forces which are screened only by light cruisers instead of destroyers and thus they can go much further away from the nearest port. 4) At the beginning of each game, sort out crappy ships. You can do that by opening the production screen, select each design one after the other, and always look for speed and range. Ships with sub - 27 kts speed generally suck, so mark them with a "crab" symbol. Also mark any ship with under 1800km range. And then when setting up your flotillas, always require other ships than "crabs". You will end up with a lot of "crabs" in your reserve fleet. You can merge them and use them as coastal guards. Later in the game, you may increase the required range to 2000 and 2500km, thus sorting out more of the older destroyers, which may then be used in secondary duties.

I'm not a total noob and haven't played the most recent DLC, but this might be helpful since I have done a lot of fleet fighting just trying to figure it out since it seemed so confusing at first. I had good luck using multiple fleets in the same zone with different missions, so one fleet spots but doesn't engage, a second fleet will engage with speed and an additional fleet will show up with slower ships, the enemy will typically try to retreat but have trouble breaking away cleanly due to being already engaged by your faster ships. I know this is a crappy explanation compared to a video, but it might be helpful.

Who knew the guys from Lego commercials came from a long line of Irish ship builders

Ireland: we've been around for 2000 years but got no Navy, our very first recruit, even without naval experience will be an Admiral, make sense? We don't care.

You need the cruisers in the fleet with the superheavys. That way the cruisers will engage and the superheavys will join before the enemy can pull out

I knew this video would come out at some point

A few things. Your capitals need screens or they get wrecked by torpedoes. I think minimum is 2x as many screens as caps, but for safety you want at least 4x. You want those in a death stack. Being screened will give your caps a bonus as well. You then also have small patrols operating in the same area. Destroyers ideal (cheap) or some people prefer spotting cruisers set to never engage. Given basically unlimited production I'd recommend tier 3-4 regular battleships with fattest engines possible. Heavy attack is good for caps. Light attack is good for screens. Meta tends towards light as you use that to wreck their screen and then torpedo their caps. But this doesn't really account for being able to spam battleships like this so not really sure how much it applies to this as the meta is about production efficiency.

Imagine how many German captains and admirals got sacked or straight up send to the crazy-farm before their admiralty accepted that there were in fact a crap-ton of Irish super heavy battleships plodding across the North Sea..

The Ireland ship builder fast as Sonic boiii

Calling your DD a BB is a great way to trigger a mass of people all at once.

so i think feedback learned how navies worked irl for a sec, use smaller faster ships to spot and tie up fleets while the bigger ships come in for the kill

As an Irishman, I can say this is the first time I've seen anyone play Ireland in a HOI game

This has to be one of your best videos

Why not use all the spots on your ships and have overwhelming hard attack, anti air AND soft attack on your super heavies? you'd be surprised at how efficient they are when equipped with mass secondaries in all spots

Paradox made the naval rework too extensive in Man the Guns, too many things to research and not enough research breaks on them. Getting navy research working for surface ships can take a year or so of research or more compared to doing quick submarine research and then producing ships that come back up after being underwater. They really need to do a QOL patch at some point and admit there were some DLC mistakes made.

Also I know everybody already told you this 100 times but yeah put the screens in a task force and separate the battleships, the screens patrol and the big ships are on strike force. Also in that first battle 2 big ships got smashed bcs you had 0 screens so they got torpedoed to death

Is this on an old version of the game, or has it been patched? Just tried it this morning (the game was technically modded so I don't know if Player Led Peace Conferences messes with it) and it did not occur. Just in case validating files now as my launcher has also been borked for months now too.

*Coughs in the restoration of the high seas fleet* Or *coughs in naval Germany that can still do what normal Germany does with a couple less tanks*

Wait wait wait, you're supposed to have spotting ships for spotting and battleships for battle?! What a shock! Who could possibly have known? It was cool watching you find out, though, and also create the new light cruiser meta

being big and slow but well armored and armed is only really helpful (at least in real life) if used to escort or support naval invasions because then if they want to stop you the enemy fleet has to come to you. not very good for hunting fleets when you have to go to them

This has since been patched, sadly. Also for multi-state coastal nations like Ireland, you want to do civil war while naval dockyard focus is going. Your civil war opponent will have whatever your focus is when it appears, and if you let them finish before winning the civil war, they get the dockyards too. 0 --> 6 dockyards. Now that you can't have +infinity% naval production, that might be worth doing. Edit: loading up fast cruisers with light attack spam is pretty effective, as you mentioned. You can also just slow down the AI a bunch by spamming mines.

Thx Dave for representing our little green blob great video as always

The ship is kinds useless if its not in a big fleet. Its meant to soak damage and deal damage. Alone they're useless, in a fleet they're going to shred the enemy.

Light units patrol, spot and tie down naval forces. Capital ships use strike force to hit them after the combat has started.

I actually like the naval system and i think it should be made bigger so u have more options but the time u need to unlock it is way to long. Usually i have it down by 1945 to 1946 but thats with a major and the big ships need 3-5years to build so your exploid will help me rule the waves with some small contry so thx

damn im late, they fixed it

I love this exploit - thanks that I have done this achievement with sink british pride of the fleet :)

It's so funny that Ireland got 10 trilion naval production power and are still failed

New drinking game: every time Feedback says the phrase "naval production", take a drink.

So I already knew this a couple days ago, and I did something as America. Usually I get like 80 - 100 dockyards as them. I did this exploit, and eventually I had to stop building more ships for my manpower as it was being drained, I had like 2000 destroyers and 7000 subs Then I focused on convoys, and I managed to get 400,000 convoys lmao

The "ship camo" part killed me.

20:00 well ye that's why y have spotting task and an actual go pew pew battle task

Yeah. For patrol fleets you are supposed to use Light Cruisers and Destroyers. because they are small and fast. The heavy ships should be on Strike Force in the nearest possible port. And you can put the spotter planes on light cruisers. that + Radar means you'll spot anything.

I kid you not, I was watching this video and got a sponsored add to join the Canadian Navy. Lol

Do you have specific HOI4 guides? I’m really not the best at the game and I find it hard to play the game even as larger nations since I struggle. Thanks :)

"Eire" by the way means "Ireland", where the name Ireland comes from actually. Pronounced "ehh-reh". I'm guessing LE stands for "Long Eireann" or something like that, meaning "Ship Ireland".

Dave: Hello Irish fan! Me: Oh dats me!

Subs with radar work really well to spot enemies. Just have a fleet of subs to spot and your heavies to strike.

18:50 the light attack meta comes from the fact that capitals without escorts (destroyers and light cruiser, minimum 3 per capital ship) absolutely SUCK! Capitals can barely hit destroyers and light cruisers with their heavy attack (they are capital ship killers after all) if they fight them at all. Heavy attack targets the capital ships of the enemy (including carriers) before they fight escort ships. These escort ships are vital to tank the light dammage (which honestly isnt a big deal, battleship amor is too big to take serious dammage from light attack) and the torpedos. Without escorts, your capital ships will nlt be protected from torpedo attacks. As long as an enemy has a torpedo tube, even a squad of super basic early destroyers with the highest engine and a torpedo tube can beat a squad of 1944 state of the Art battleships

Imo, best ship to stack is Destroyer with high level torpedos, destroyer 4 with torpedo 4 every slot filled gives something like 230 torp attack. It’s extremely op

This seemed fascinating-starting with a 0 navy to possessing a fleet of heavy battleships.I wonder if you could exploit air production with this.

Naval gunnery operated by a medieval nunnery, also known as a Holy Ship.

I really do wish we could get a naval rework. I remember as a noob I just completely ignored navy. Now that i'm up in the thousands of hours too I see no practical use for anything larger than cruisers, but yeah subs for the win.

@FeedBackGaming thats work with air production too or other continuous focuses and other nations? :D

light attack hits more frequently than heavy attack. That's the main reason its more effective. Screens are much more likely to dodge heavy attack than capitals, even at the same speed.

6:14 Why do you add spotting planes? I always thought that it's a waste of a slot - I just keep up with my radar tech. Even with just a few destroyers and light cruisers with maxed radar, you already spot everything almost-immediately, right?

Din't know Feedback love Navels so much.

I like how he name destroyer 'battleship'

offtopic do u have a review or spreadsheet on differences of civilian partial and wareconomu on civ building and mil building? how big are differences. just how much do i win switching from civ to war economu for example as france going to war in spain in 37, when should u stop building civs, when should u convert

As an Irish fan, Hi Feedback :)

you should use one patrol fleet and one with big ships on intercept order

Love it. In Short Make Submarines LOL

Who needs and Air Force and and Army when you can deny the Sea to your enemies with a massive spam of Superbattleships, Cruisers, Destroyers, etc

Correct me if I'm wrong. Shouldn't there be a fleet of destroyers running scouting and the heavier surface ships be on strike force in the area that's being scouted? I never seem to have a problem using super battleships.

Isp: laughs about navy exploit Feedback: time to teach

How they are just instantly hotfixing bugs but actualy imporoving gameplay takes years

Just thinking out of loud... But if Paradox creates scandianvia DLC, they sill still not make focus tree for Finland. That DLC would just give focus trees for Denmark, Norway and Sweden but nah, not for Finland.

My God Dave! I can no longer un.....sea this. I have only my self to blame.

Still waitin for gameplay with 12 km/h super heavy tanks

There must be a bug in current version, fleets/trade ignore the blocked zones for ships.

2:43 Bo is gonna take that personally